New to ADHD Any advice is welcomed!

Stacie - posted on 10/25/2008 ( 33 moms have responded )

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HI All

My 8 year old son was just diagnosed with ADHD. He has been put on Ritalin. The 1st few days/weeks were great! But now I'm not sure. How do we know if we have the right meds or dose? He seems meaner than ever. He has outbursts of "mean". I'm so confused on how to help him. or what else can be done! He's usually a great kid!I want to help him in any way i can! Thanks in advance! Any words of wisdom, or what to expect would be great!!

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User - posted on 12/02/2008

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You've ask the $6,000,000 question that all mom's of ADD kids ask. First piece of advice is to talk with your doctor. 2) keep a log of when he is his worst- sometimes it can mean that he is getting rebound when the meds are wearing off. I went through that with my son. There are so many meds out there that help these kids. We found that Ritalin had the most side effects. Keep in close communication with his dr. 3) don't give up. You are not alone. We've all been through this. It takes perseverance to get the proper med and dose. You don't have to live with him being mean. My son has done great on Strattera. We went through a LOT of meds to get here. 4) You are his mother and you know him better than ANYONE else. Hang in there Stacie. He's worth it.

Mandy - posted on 12/02/2008

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I am so glad to hear that your child is mean! My daughter is almost 8 and has been on ritalin la for over a year. This year has been an uphill battle - she kept complaining about the girls being rude and bitchy towards her! It is now about 5 months later and yesterday I discovered that she is the one that started the bitchiness! She would be ugly to the other girls, then when they were ugly back to her she used to complain. She has blamed all the other girls - she "never started anything".

It is her party on Saturday and there are hardly any girls from her class coming. Long story - but I worked it out yesterday - and when I asked her she admitted it all to me.



She isn't like this. She has always had loads of friends and been popular. She is the sweetest thing out.



Stacie, reading your story has made me realise that it is the ritalin causing this behaviour change. Thank you!

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Jeanette - posted on 10/22/2012

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Hello -



What dose and how often does your son take the Ritalin. My 9 year old daughter started on a 4 hour dose of 5mg of Ritalin to see if it was effective. She did well in the a.m. then it wore off and her symptoms returned. We tried the Extended Release 10mg of Ritalin since the short dose worked and found that both the Extended Release and the Short Release lasted only about 4 hours. The rebound effect when it wore off exacerbated the symptoms. When is your son appearing to have outbursts of "mean"? Is it at the end of the dose period? If so, it could be the result of the rebound effect. My little one is now trying Concerta 18mg Extended Release to see how it works for her. Perhaps your son needs a higher dose of the Ritalin or a longer lasting formula, or a different med altogether. I have learned that this is not an exact science and finding the right med may take a couple of tries. Good Luck to You

Laura - posted on 03/09/2009

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My son is 7, he has been on med's since 5.  I just put him back into 1st grade.  Best thing I ever did. 1st you need to have a therapist he can see once a week.  2. IEP at school push for it. they have to give him  a quiet setting for testing. 3. medication - we did Daytrana patch 20mg, Ritalin 20mg we know have fokelin sp? 20mg. fochelin the best! They all take appetite away.  Insure 2 day, vitamin's and water, make him drink.  I skip medication on the weekend and deal with the crazy life so he can eat. I have a 4 yr old girl he like's to torture. Change Dr's if you have to.  Another thing have the school administer it, that has helped me alot. any other questions please feel free to ask. Laura

Kerry - posted on 03/09/2009

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Hi Stacie.  My son is 7 now, but was diagnosed and medicated with Ritalin at age 5.  Through trial and error, is all I can say to you. I've tried all the meds' with Daniel and have got to say that Ritalin is the best!  



My advise:  Eg. Your son presenty takes 10mg (1 pill) in the mornings.  Try halven the dosage for a while (+-1 week), only give 5mg in the mornings.  Then the next week start to give him half a pill in the mornings and the other half in the afternoons.  Remeber that Ritalin (10mg) only works for about 4 hours then it wears off, so try giving the second half ,as I say after lunch-time.  I would also highly recommend not giving it at all on the weekends......just so that he has a break from it.   If your son's aggression has not improved, I would recommend that you take him off it for a longer period than 1 week, before you put him back on it. Rather play around with dosage, split it up into 4 pieces per day if necessary, but whatever you do - DONT give him more that your neuroligist recomended. 



My little Daniel had been on Ritalin (10mg) per day for 6 months and was doing so well.  Then he started school (Grade 1) and began experiencing some emotional trouble with peers at school, he became very distructive and would bang his head on the walls, or get frustrated with himself and throw things around.  I took him off the Ritalin for 6 months....I don't regret it!!  Daniel was going through a bit of a identity phase at the new school and the Ritalin was not working for him through that time. -----YES, the school work suffered and the teachers complained about his behaviour, and I almost went crazy, but  when things became more stable for him at school again and he had consistenct friends and was confident about himself, I put him back on the Ritalin. Now Daniel knows the Ritalin helps him with his school work, and to behave calmer and he even remebers to take it himself in the mornings. 



I have learned that Ritalin works against the child when he is emotional or going through a phase and thats when he needs Mommy more than Ritalin.  If the cat dies or if he changes schools or if parents get divorced or whatever, take him off the Ritalin untill he becomes more emotionally stable again.  Be sure to only give your son Ritalin when he is emotionally doing okay. ...........................HOPE THIS HELPS.......good luck.   

Betsy - posted on 12/02/2008

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Every child response differently to the meds. Most medications also have side effects. You will hear words like "rebound" for the chaos that sometimes happens in the evening, as meds are wearing off. There is no magic pill to make our kids just like the other kids. Parenting is hard work, and parenting an ADHD kid is harder than average. Communication is vital, both with the teachers and with your doctor. Try to find the patterns in his behavior, and keep a journal. My child felt more rage on the ADHD meds, and we put a punching bag up for him to use. It helped a great deal. Dance classes also helped both his cognition and his gross motor skills. Good luck!

Cassie - posted on 12/02/2008

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Carolyn and all, yes they are both stimulates, but saying "based from two main stimulant drugs that act completely the same.... methylphenidate and dextraoamphetamine." is not correct.
The drugs are different. As you can see, some people have had better results on one than the other. An adult ADHD person I know, his psychiatrist always prescribes methylphenidate before trying dex. He thinks they are different, so I guess we laypeople should too. XOXOXO

Karin - posted on 11/22/2008

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Congrats!!! Some mothers, but more fathers, think it's crazy when we celebrate these victories, but they don't realize how hard it was to get there. God bless you and your family.

Stacie - posted on 11/21/2008

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Ok I just have to "Brag" a little bit! Report Cards came home today! Lane got 4 C's and 1 B!!! Hooray! I'm so proud, even a little teary eyed to see how well he's doing now! At the begining of the year he was failing Everything! Just wanted to pass on some good news! Yeah for Lane!!

Karin - posted on 11/21/2008

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Sounds like the wrong meds to me. My daughter stabbed a kid with a pencil when she was put on Aderol (sp?), but is now on Conserta and has been doing great for years! There are many types of ADHD, and identifying your childs 'type' might help to find a diagnosis. She was initially seen by a psychologist who helped to steer her pediatrician in the right direction, based on his assessment.



My daughter just got 3 A's, 5 B's and 2 C's on her report card. She is now in 6th grad and reading at a 10th grade level. And I am convinced that without her meds she wouldn't be doing so well.



But, I've also heard of other non medication coping tools, so you might want to find a local ADHD specialist to help you with your search for answers.



God bless. Living with a child with ADHD can be a very positive (if exhausting) experience, but with time and research you'll find the answers you seek, and your son will be the better for it. You have my sympathies and prayers!!!

Christa - posted on 11/21/2008

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Stacie,

I'm glad to hear things have mellowed out at your home and I'm assuming your son isn't having the "mean" outbursts. It makes home life a lot better when you're not having to deal with the outbursts and your child failing at school! My son is like day and night when he's not on his meds compared to when he is. I just love Vyvanse cause it lasts longer in the system than the extended release Adderall. My son is able to focus on his homework and the meds manage the impulse issues he has. I've had to make the decision to have him on meds even on the weekend and during summer. Without them, he really has issues controlling himself, even when my husnband is home. (Our household is the same as yours when it comes to listening to the parents. I think it's pretty typical in a home with two parents.)



Neway, I just wanted to say congratulations. I'm so glad things are working for you guys now! I'm very happy for your son! It has to be such a huge relief!

Stacie - posted on 11/19/2008

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Hey Heather, Yes! That helps!! You have taken a lot of the words out of my mouth so to speak! We truely didn't want to put our son on meds at all, but then at the 1st visit to the doctor, and we got to see the trial med in action, we figured we weren't doing him any favors by not putting him on it! He does get a little rowdy at night and sometimes, it's worse than others! But he has went from not going to pass 4th grade, to a couple weeks ago had high end C's!! And we are REALLY proud of that!! He can get his work done at school now, and actually has been bringing home a few A's even. I don't think he would be doing this well without the meds! He does get more rowdy if my husband isn't home, I think he just know's he can get away with more when mom's home than with dad! :) He too knew it was time for something different! One big plus is He Wants to take the meds! Which makes our life a lot easier! So yes his grades are up! and That's what is most important!!

Heather - posted on 11/18/2008

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Hi there!! I have a 8 year old son and he also has ADHD and is on Concerta 36mg. We started @ 18 and it was great for the first few days but then his body got used to it; so they moved him up to the 36 and I have never been more happy. He has been on it now for nearly a year and he went from almost failing the 2nd grade to making honor roll this year. You can tell when the meds start to wear off, at least I can, Jaxon gets a little more hyper and harder to keep on task it is usually about 4-5 oclock. Plus his appeitite increases. They said that there was meds that we could give him in the afternoons to help but my husband and i can handle it. They also said that they could up the dose but I look at it this way If the teachers can handle him and he is keeping his grades up that that is all that is truely important. Also I talk to him about it and he knows that if things start getting hard for him and he is having problems focussing that he could tell us and we would see what can be done. I hope this helps a little.

Carolyn - posted on 11/15/2008

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Okay because all of the ADHD medications are stimulants, based from two main stimulant drugs that act completely the same.... methylphenidate and dextraoamphetamine.. all know as Central Nervous Stimulants. The one CNS that everyone knows is amphetamine (AKA Speed) they are all the same class of drugs. Ritialin you give every four hours Adderal you given1 pill twice a day or XR 1 pill a day. If you look at the drugs each of the mothers have tried they have all gone from one stimulant to the other. Most childern when started on a stimulant will have many of the reactions that some of the mothers have had. I have a friend whos son is on Daytrana patch and he reacted the same way very moody and hyper but with in 2 weeks this went completely away. The reason being for this is that the body needs to adjust to the drug being given. If you look at all of the medications for ADHD you will see they are all some form of a stimulant except Strattera. They will contain some form of the two types of drugs listed above which as I stated are all CNS drugs that act and behave the same way. Most doctors will completely bypass the standard ritalin brand drug for one of the longer acting drugs adderal and adderal XR, concerta, focalin, focalin XR. What really affects the childern is how much drug they get at once and how long it lasts. My son is a very hyper child and he also has sensory intergration disorder. We didn't see the mood changes and aggressive behavior with him because he alrealdy had those types of behavoir. The doctor with my daughter didn't even want to try a stimulant drug she went right to Strattera for her which took about 6 to 8 weeks before we noticed changes. I will post a web site for you that spells out each drug and the stimulant it uses. This is why I say they are the same becasue a stimulant is a stimulant and even my childerns doctor says this. She doesn't like to use ritialin brand because there is better stimulant medications with better control. For instance my son was on Focalin XR should be a 12 hour medication we got great control in the mornings and by 3 pm it was like he hadn't had medication at all. He is now on the Daytrana patch 15 mg and we also give 10 mg of ritalin with the patch in the morning because the patch takes about 2 hours to really start working and so the ritalin is given because its half life (meaning the time it starts to wear off) is 2 hours. So by the time the ritalin is wearing off the Daytrana patch has started working. I don't mean to upset any one. I just want people to understand the medications. http://www.coreynahman.com/11_25_ADHD_dr...

Christa - posted on 11/15/2008

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Carolyn,

Adderall is NOT long acting!!!!! It behaves the same way that Ritalin does. Adderall XR is long acting. Just like Ritalin LA. Yes, they are both stimulants but they are not made exactly the same! I don't understand why you keep saying they are the same and why you keep saying Adderall is long acting. Have you had your child on either one or both of these medications??? I have and there is a dfference in the make up. If you listen to the mothers on this posting, alone; there's obviously a difference in the make-up cause there's a difference in how the children react to each one. Please explain to the group how the children react so completely different on the medications if they are the same!

Carolyn - posted on 11/15/2008

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Christa, I have been to all the web sites as well. If you look at the generic make up of ritialin and adderall you will see that the only difference between the two drugs is that adderall is long acting and plan old everyday ritalin is short acting. Did you look at the generic names of those drugs----- methilfenidate and dextromephetamine they are both in the same class of medications and they are both a central nervous stimulant and they both act of the same central nervous system area. They are both a form of a stimulant. The only non-stimulant drug on the market as of now is Strattra. I urge you to check both your web sites out and you will see that they are the same drug.

Christa - posted on 11/14/2008

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Carolyn,

I don't know where you are getting your information on ritalin and adderall. My child has been on both of the medications and they ARE NOT the same! Both have short acting and long acting variations. Below are links for ritalin and adderall, showing they are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT medications.



http://www.drugs.com/ritalin.html



http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html



I want people to have the correct information, too!

Colleen - posted on 11/14/2008

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Hi there. my son was diagnosed when he was in sk, i have tried three ridalin based med for him and he only became more agressive.so i took him of meds all together.i thought that would be a good idea, i was wrong! he was off for almost a year,but after continuous problems at school i had to do something.so just 3 months ago after hiting rock bottom with him, i put him on stratera... its not a ridalin based product,and so far has bein working great! its like i got MY boy back!!!

Carolyn - posted on 11/13/2008

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Okay Pam you do realize that ritalin and adderall are the same drug, ritalin is short acting and adderall is long acting. I just want you to know. Also to Amelia daytrana also comes in a 10 mg patch. I just want every one to know for info. I am a RN and also in school to be a Family Nurse Practioner. I reasearched ADHD/ADD extensively. A great web site to go to is The National Insitutes of Mental Health they will have any thing and every thing you would want to know about ADHD/ADD. Just want to make sure the right info is getting out there. That is the nurse in me:-)

Pamela - posted on 11/13/2008

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my son was diagnosed with ADD and i refused to put him on Ritalin the doctor suggested Adderall and it works great my son has been on it for a year now and before that he was on Dexerine either of those are much better then Ritalin speak to your doctor about one of those he sleeps alot better and he didnt loose his appetiate on adderall

User - posted on 11/09/2008

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Hey there.. I have a 9 yr. old daughter who was diagnosed with ADHD andd ODD at the end of lat school year... Initially started her on Ritalin... Not good for her as it was the lowest dose, but made her extremely irritable when it wore off... So thankful for a great doctor that understood and respected the fact that I knew something wasn't right... She has since been switched and only takes it for school... It's never easy, but we know our children and eed to be thier voice... Talk to the doctor, a simple switch may be what it takes... Good luck..

Amelia - posted on 11/01/2008

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Stacie, We had our son diagnosed at about the same age and we have gone through the gambit of meds. and natural homeopatic ways as well as Doc.. My advice is to please 1st find a doctor you are comfortable with and can talk to about how you would like to treat this and then open up and listen to his advice. I really did not want Stuart on meds and we did everything else first. What a dance! This past year the Daytrana Patch came out and it was the best fit for him ever. He is on the 15mg dose which is the smallest. We also do strong fish oils, all 3 types not just one. The other best part is you have people to help, lean on them because it is hard to deal with day in and day out. Some days even with meds it is hard. Take a deep breath and hide in the bathroom to breakdown. Stuart was on Concerta when he had your son's reaction and they said it wasn't the meds. I pulled him off and got my son back within a week. He was having voices telling him to hurt someone or rip the books apart into little pieces. My guess is it is not the right meds and you need to change. Make sure your always around when he is around other kids for the time being, He has no mental control and will not be able to give you any good reason for his behavior, nor will he be able to remember that he even did something wrong within a half hour or so of the event.

Good luck and write if you need someone to listen. I have been through a lot with my 3 boys and am still figuring some of this out. Amy at needz1@hotmail.com

Christa - posted on 10/31/2008

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Stacie, with most ADHD meds you have to give them about a month to get regulated in the system. I hope Concerta works for your child. It can't be frustrating while you are

trying to find the right medication for your child. Once you find it, you will know that it's the one. I do have to have my son take his Vyvanse 7 days a week but it REALLY is worth it. Without it, my son a so wild and out of control. It's like day and night with the medication. I'm so glad we stuck it out and found a medication that works for him.

Kari - posted on 10/31/2008

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The doctor's I work with have the ADD kids come back after a month to talk about how the med is going. Have you contacted the Dr. who prescribed the med? There are a handful of med's to pick from - maybe he should be switched. Go with your gut instinct - mom's always know!!!!!

Carolyn - posted on 10/30/2008

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Hey Stacie, my 5 year old son has been on medication for about a year now. He was diagnosed when he was four and he is been on Daytrana and Focalin and the Daytrana patch along with 10 mg of ritalin given in the am with the patch has been the best for him. We get great control all day right up until bed time about 730 pm. I know that is sometimes takes a while to find the right combo. The focalin was the same for us very roller coster and hardly any coverage come middle of the after noon. You will find the right combo just stick with it and I've found routine routine routine also helps. ADHD kids love routine believe or not and that helps with the outbursts as well.

Kimberly - posted on 10/30/2008

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you will like that much better and every few months you might need to up it but i liked it better than the other!

Stacie - posted on 10/30/2008

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Ok we went to the doctor for a 1 month check on my son! I told the doctor all my concerns on hm since he's been on Ritalin LA. The teachers feel like it doesn't last all day, as well. So now we are going to try Concerta. She said it would give more of a steddy dose instead of the "2" doses the Ritalin gave. She said the Rital LA was more like a rollercoaster, which just didn't work for him! So we are giving it a couple weeks and see if the Concerta works for him! Im kinda anxious to see how he acts with the Concerta, he got really mean, and wound up with the Ritalin LA

Christa - posted on 10/28/2008

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I have a 13 year old son who started on ADHD medications in 5th grade. I wasn't doing him ANY favors by not having him on medication. We have tried a few different types of medications with help of a Psychologist. On the first couple of them, he was mean, argumentative and would even break down sobbing at times. I started him on Vyvanse sometime last year and he is doing wonderful! Through it all, I learned to make notes of positive and negative things we were seeing so I would make sure to address them with his doctor at his next visit. In our case, Vyvanse has helped my son tremendously. I hope this helps!

Jacqueline - posted on 10/26/2008

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Go to the library! Get a book about it! Read! Also, my son and the rest of the family sees a therapist once every 3 months! It helps! You can't do it on your own! Let go of the pride!

Mari Meini Mireille - posted on 10/26/2008

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My son is 12 years old and he has ADD/ADHD, he takes Concerta 36mg, next step is going to be 54mg.
Concerta has been a good medicine for school, he can do his work there much better, and he thinks things before action.. When the effect from Concerta is over, he gets tired and very complicated child.
Now I think that 36mg is too small dose, because I dont see the differense with or without the Concerta anymore..
Side effects with Concerta is only with food, he does not eat as much when he takes the medicine. Be strong and talk to the doc, they should be able to change the medicine or the dose of medicine if it is nessesary. God bless.

Joy - posted on 10/25/2008

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I have a 7 year old that is ADHD. He was diagnosed toward the end of this past school year. We put him on Vyvanse and is doing great. From the very first day we saw a huge turn around. For example there was a center for writing sentences. All year he would go there and produce nothing. He would play with his pencil like and airplane and look around. The very first day on Vyvanse he sat down and started writing sentences. I am talking sounding out words and writing sentences. :D His reading level went from a 3 to a level 12 in just a couple of months. It was amazing. He loved going to school. :D Things just started clicking for him. He was finally able to do the things that he had wanted to do all year. The first dosed we tried worked. He gets one 30 mg pill each morning. I sprinkle it on a spoonful of applesauce. Then on the Saturday we give him a half dose and then on Sunday he gets the second half. When he first started taking it his heart sped up a bit for the first couple of days and he had trouble sleeping the first couple of days as well. After those first couple of days it was fine. But seriously I am so glad we put him on Vyvanse and so is he. Last year was kindergarten. This year, 1st grade, he tells me his favorite thing to do in school is writing. Such a 180! :D I could go on and on. Oh another thing, his teacher said she still has to get after him sometimes, but just like she has to for other kids. Which to that she says she likes because it means he is still acting like every other little kid, not zoned out in any way by the meds. It seems to be the perfect balance. Ok I am rambling...just so excited about things! :D

Kimberly - posted on 10/25/2008

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hi my name is kimberly i have 3kids and 2 of them are ADHD and have been since they were little one is 18yrs and the other is 14yrs! for them Ritalin didnt work!! it made them feel funny as they would say! talk with your son's dr and ask about something else that will work much better!! the other is i only gave them it for school! i hope it helps but i had it when i was little and my mom didnt put me on anything and i dropped out of school with my 1st son and even now i have a 3rd grade math level and a 5th grade reading so ask him and the teachers u might have to try few before you find the one

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