how do u get your baby to sleep through the night , my daughter is 4 months old and still waking up every 2 to 3 hours

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Ally - posted on 04/21/2009

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The babywise techniques are a load of crap. they have been denounced by the american academy of pediatrics and the la leche league b/c of the strong connection of babies suffereing from failure to thrive after parents started using these techniques. Babies need to be fed on demand not a schedule and I can tell you as a nurse who has worked with children the vast majority of kids are not sleeping through the night. (through the night is considered 5 hours for babies) breastfed babies wake more frequently and eat more often due to easy digestabiliy of the breast milk.



my 13 month old still has nights when she wants to nurse a couple times and other nights when she sleeps 10 hours...every kid is different. I highhly recomend the baby sleep book by dr.sears it it excellent!



http://www.ezzo.info/feeding.htm

Shannon - posted on 05/24/2010

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I also agree that feeding your little girl some cereal would help alot!!! but again try that enfamil restful its a bit expensive but sooooooooo worth it...i really hope you get some good tips because I know how hard it can be not getting sleep

Ashley - posted on 04/26/2009

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.

Sarah - posted on 04/20/2009

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I have known of babies who don't sleep completely through the night until they are 18 months old. Babies are different. My daughter started sleeping through the night when she was 4 months old & has been having an odd sleep scehudle since she got her first teeth at 8.5 months. We are trying to get her to sleep through the night, but we aren't forcing it. Routines are nice, but some babies aren't routine babies. Just try out different routines & see which one works for you & your baby. Good luck =]

Kelly - posted on 04/16/2009

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I just posted this to someone else so I'll just put the same thing to you. I was in the same boat with my first child when he was 4 months old. Some people told me their babies slept through the night at 3 months so I was patiently waiting for that. Then I heard about people whose babies took 1 year or more. That's when I realized something needed to be done.





I know a lot of people don't like this book, "On Becoming Babywise" by Gary Ezzo but it seriously saved my life and I just keep meeting more people who swear by it. I got it after being deperate with my 4-month-old who was exactly the same way as you've described your baby. I was so sleep-deprived I even hallucinated on occasion. The basic principles in it are VERY helpful. I'll try to write them out for you so you can get an idea.



1. Baby's schedule should always be in this order: Sleep, Feed, Play, Sleep. (I was reversing it.) The only exception would be the nighttime feed before bed.



2. Most babies need to be trained to self-soothe, i.e. fall asleep without you rocking them, nursing them, etc. This is where you put them to bed tired (not overly tired) but awake and if they wake up after 40 minutes of being asleep (babies have 40-min sleep cycles and often wake after that period), leave them to fall back asleep on their own.

3. Give them full feeds, i.e. both breasts until baby gets the hindmilk too (that's the thicker milk that comes at the end of the feed which is more filling) so that the 4-month-old is eating every 3-4 hours not more often, which would be called "snacking."

4. The more solid your routine is, the faster the baby will take to it and keep to it.



It is a hard adjustment to make because you will be training yourself to understand your baby's cries, which are really hard to hear. But eventually you will be able to tell whether your baby is crying because they need you or because they are just soothing themselves to sleep. You wouldn't think that it would be very soothing for a baby to cry himself to sleep but both of mine did that. With my second I didn't wait until she was 4-months before I trained her to sleep and so since she was an oblivious newborn I could actually stand next to her bed and watch the whole falling asleep process and it was fascinating.



Your 4-month-old should be sleeping at about 10-11 hours a night and having 3 2-hour naps. He should be eating 4-6 times a day, feeding him after waking up plus before bed and an afternoon snack if you think he needs the extra.



Sleep begets sleep. It may sound strange by it your baby sleeps well at night he is more likely to sleep well during the day and vice-versa. Don't be discouraged if your baby is not a "textbook" baby. Neither of mine were but they are both good sleepers now, with the occasional issues. I think that's just because babies are always changing and growing.

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Amanda Michelle - posted on 01/08/2014

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My son is 6weeks old And won't let me put him in his swing,crib,nothing for more than 5min. Then screams until I pick him up I love holding him And sleeping with him but sometimes there's things I have to get done any advice?

Ashley - posted on 05/24/2010

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my mother told me to give my baby cereal in his formula and it should make him fuller and make him sleep longer. and it did work. you should try that

Shannon - posted on 05/24/2010

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hey gemma the thing that really helped my daughter was enfamil restful I don't know if you formula feed or not, but that worked wonders in fact she started sleeping through the night the first time i used it

Natasa - posted on 05/24/2010

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I had luck,I think bicause my son is a strong baby and he take his dinner so good and keep sleeping till morning...it is important not to be hungry ...

Michelle - posted on 05/23/2010

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Dunstan Baby Language, which teaches you to understand your baby's cries and their meanings is very helpful. It helped us so much with our daughter; she had a need and we were able to instantly know what she needed.

It really depends on the baby. If she's hungry, she IS hungry. My daughter would nurse for 10 minutes and fall asleep... for 2 hours. We realized that and would stimulate her (diaper change, etc.) so that she'd take a fuller feed and sleep for 3-4 hours, which in a few weeks was 6 hours.

If she has another need, it needs to be met. My daughter woke up just to be cuddled a few times. Gave her a soother/pacifier and back to sleep. A few times, she was a slightly warm (not cold, but not her usual warm)... and well, cold babies DON'T sleep (my father says this all the time & how true). Without knowing her cries, I would have just fed her, but Dunstan gave us the ability to listen and know what her cries were for... if I had nursed her, she would have warmed up with me holding her, and been back up in a few hours to repeat the cycle. Good Luck!

Natalie - posted on 04/28/2009

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she was no lady ha ha ha ! .........lovin your new profile pic by the way ! very cute

Cynthia - posted on 04/27/2009

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My son is 7.5 months old and he is still waking anywhere from 4-6 hours. During a growth spurt he was waking every 3 hours like clockwork for a week in a row. Our oldest (now nearly three yrs) only started sleeping solidly through the night at 15 months....before that it was hit and miss between wet diapers (he hated being wet at night), night terrors for about 2 months, or simply being hungry. SO you can try to get her to sleep through the night. it's whether or not they can go without their particular needs being met that seemed to allow our child to sleep through or not. Hope this helps.

Melissa - posted on 04/27/2009

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nobody is going to swear at you here natalie hahaha I havent seen that lady post since I reported her for swearing at you

Natalie - posted on 04/27/2009

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Ladies, I think you both just misunderstood each other on a few points, don't let this get out of hand ! come on mums together and all that malarky !!!

everyone has their own way, and we all have very different babies at the end of the day, you both sound like loving mums who care, and i think that anyone who wants to be part of a site like circle of mums is obviously interested in their childs development, and doing the right things by our children.

no-one sounds like their neglecting their children, just have different methods, that might I add are working for both of you !

xx

p.s u can tell me to mind my own fickin business now ! ha ha

Ashley - posted on 04/27/2009

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.

















a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.
















 
















Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.





















                                                                                                                                       













 





















if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.


















This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.















I am not concerned about the amount of rest I get, I gave up on selfishness when I decided to have children. It is all about them now and their needs come before mine. 12 hours alone in a crib is far to much. Pediatricians and psychologists agree that  a baby as young as 4 months should not be sleeping more than 5 hours at a time (5 hours is actually considerd sleeping through the night)










and you having said that a sleep expert told you and so it is 100% accurate is just a load of crap, the sleep expert you may have spoken to may have had his training years ago before current eveidance was available or had his own biasis.










as far as my daughter being over tired she is not, she has a schedual for sleep and for naps, and she also does not lie in a full diaper all night. Trust me I really do not mind listining to a crying child if I know they do not need anything. Sometimes kids are overstimulated and do need that quiet time away (mine does once and a while) This is the situations where my daughter is left to cry, but she does not cry for hours. I notice my child is over stimulated when she becomes overly fussy for no reason and within literaly 30 seconds of placing in her crib she stops crying and falls asleep, if my child did not stop crying I would go to her and attend to her needs.










If your daughter is basicaly sleeping from 6 pm to 6 am straight and having her recomended naps during the day and eating when she is not naping than perhaps she is understimulated dont you think?










babies also need time to exercise their motor skills and to engage in parent child activities such as reading, singing ect so if she is eating and sleeping all that you say she does than there really isnt any thime for anything else?










I am going to stick with my beliefs here out of personal expeirince and my educational background in psychology, Montessori education and early child hood development when I say that at 4 months of age it is absolutly wrong to let a child cry it out for hours and it is also absolutly wrong to let your kid sit in a urine filled diaper for 12 hours, not only is it wrong but it is neglect and I for one would not be encouraging other mothers to neglect their children.












First of all my sleep expert got HER degree within the last 4 years, when did you get yours? Did you keep it up after having kids? Secondly I am absolutely NOT neglecting my child by allowing her to sleep for 12 hours without WAKING HER UP to change her diaper. My daughter is so NOT UNDER-stimulated either. When she's awake she laughs, she talks, we play, we go outside, we read books, she is moving right along and is actaully a little ahead of most 5 month olds as far as her motor skills go. I don't know about your kids but it doesn't take my child 2 hours to eat, so when she wakes up and eats we have loads of time to play before she needs a rest again. Letting your child become overly fussy is a very late sign of being overtired, I would think a person with a degree in child development would know that. I would also expect a person with a degree in child development to know the age-appropriate length of time an infant needs to process before going to sleep. For a 4 month old it is approximately 45 minutes and please note this is only during the sleep training period. Also, you are completely out of line to imply that I am a selfish mother by not attending to my child. As I have stated SEVERAL times in my previous replies my baby was left to cry alone in her crib when we began to sleep train her...it is a TEMPORARY measure to be used for an age-appropriate length of time to allow her to figure out how to put herself to sleep. Trust me, it was not easy to hear her cry but I knew all of her needs were met, and the age appropriate length of time was only 30 minutes to let her cry before picking her up and calming her down or assessing why she is not falling asleep (spit up in her face, gas, etc.). She always fell asleep within 25 minutes, I think this says that all of her needs were met and she needed the time to process how to go to sleep. She no longer cries, EVER, as I have said multiple times, because I know the age-appropriate length of time that she can be awake. Giving my child the opportunity to get enough rest and go to sleep on her own is quite the opposite of selfish. Sometimes I would like nothing more than to keep her up and continue playing with her or to hold her until she falls asleep, or go to the mall even though I know the trip will run into her nap time, but her need for sleep far outweighs anything I want or need. If my baby wakes up in the middle of the night (which she really never does) I check her immediately to make sure she is okay and within a few minutes she is calm and on her way to sleep again. How dare you imply that I neglect my child by not waking her up to change her diaper! If I did that I am robbing her brain of the sleep it needs to develop, as a person with a knowledge of child development you should know that too. And yes she is wet when she wakes up, as pretty much all babies are whenever they wake up from a nap or from a sleep, but she is happy and smiling and I change her diaper and we are on our way to start the day. I have never judged your beliefs, you do what works for you but to imply that I am selfish and that I neglect my child, and to say she is understimulated, is so out of line. You don't even know me or my baby. It's a low blow, I would never do that to another mother, and I certainly did not judge you...until now.









actually you judged me by saying I was uneducated and didnt know about infant sleep because I had not educated my self when in fact I have. Before making any decision for my children I do loads of research to make sure it is what is best.






I know that I would rather disturb my babys sleep and change her diaper then let her stew in it and get a terrible rash.






If your daughter has not had a rash I would consider yourself  very lucky.






and as this started out it was only a diference of opinion. If you truly feel good about leaving your baby sleeping for 12 hours even though her diaper may be terribly full and she could end up with a blistering rash than good for you.






I myself cant imagine causeing my daughter any unesecery discomfort so I iwll be changing my daughters diaper at night regardless of if she has to eat or not.





I'm pretty sure that's why they invented diaper rash cream. Yes I do feel very good about ALLOWING my child to sleep for 12 hours to help her brain develop as sleep is the brain's nutrition. And yes, like any other baby she has the occasional rash but mostly when she gets diarrhea from teething, NOT because I let her sleep all night. If your child goes right to sleep after a diaper change, then that's wonderful, I'm glad it does not disrupt her too much.  And I did not mean to come off as I was judging your education, I was simply asking where you got your information since you just continue to say that you are educated.

Amanda - posted on 04/27/2009

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.















a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.














 














Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.


















                                                                                                                                       











 


















if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.















This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.












I am not concerned about the amount of rest I get, I gave up on selfishness when I decided to have children. It is all about them now and their needs come before mine. 12 hours alone in a crib is far to much. Pediatricians and psychologists agree that  a baby as young as 4 months should not be sleeping more than 5 hours at a time (5 hours is actually considerd sleeping through the night)








and you having said that a sleep expert told you and so it is 100% accurate is just a load of crap, the sleep expert you may have spoken to may have had his training years ago before current eveidance was available or had his own biasis.








as far as my daughter being over tired she is not, she has a schedual for sleep and for naps, and she also does not lie in a full diaper all night. Trust me I really do not mind listining to a crying child if I know they do not need anything. Sometimes kids are overstimulated and do need that quiet time away (mine does once and a while) This is the situations where my daughter is left to cry, but she does not cry for hours. I notice my child is over stimulated when she becomes overly fussy for no reason and within literaly 30 seconds of placing in her crib she stops crying and falls asleep, if my child did not stop crying I would go to her and attend to her needs.








If your daughter is basicaly sleeping from 6 pm to 6 am straight and having her recomended naps during the day and eating when she is not naping than perhaps she is understimulated dont you think?








babies also need time to exercise their motor skills and to engage in parent child activities such as reading, singing ect so if she is eating and sleeping all that you say she does than there really isnt any thime for anything else?








I am going to stick with my beliefs here out of personal expeirince and my educational background in psychology, Montessori education and early child hood development when I say that at 4 months of age it is absolutly wrong to let a child cry it out for hours and it is also absolutly wrong to let your kid sit in a urine filled diaper for 12 hours, not only is it wrong but it is neglect and I for one would not be encouraging other mothers to neglect their children.









First of all my sleep expert got HER degree within the last 4 years, when did you get yours? Did you keep it up after having kids? Secondly I am absolutely NOT neglecting my child by allowing her to sleep for 12 hours without WAKING HER UP to change her diaper. My daughter is so NOT UNDER-stimulated either. When she's awake she laughs, she talks, we play, we go outside, we read books, she is moving right along and is actaully a little ahead of most 5 month olds as far as her motor skills go. I don't know about your kids but it doesn't take my child 2 hours to eat, so when she wakes up and eats we have loads of time to play before she needs a rest again. Letting your child become overly fussy is a very late sign of being overtired, I would think a person with a degree in child development would know that. I would also expect a person with a degree in child development to know the age-appropriate length of time an infant needs to process before going to sleep. For a 4 month old it is approximately 45 minutes and please note this is only during the sleep training period. Also, you are completely out of line to imply that I am a selfish mother by not attending to my child. As I have stated SEVERAL times in my previous replies my baby was left to cry alone in her crib when we began to sleep train her...it is a TEMPORARY measure to be used for an age-appropriate length of time to allow her to figure out how to put herself to sleep. Trust me, it was not easy to hear her cry but I knew all of her needs were met, and the age appropriate length of time was only 30 minutes to let her cry before picking her up and calming her down or assessing why she is not falling asleep (spit up in her face, gas, etc.). She always fell asleep within 25 minutes, I think this says that all of her needs were met and she needed the time to process how to go to sleep. She no longer cries, EVER, as I have said multiple times, because I know the age-appropriate length of time that she can be awake. Giving my child the opportunity to get enough rest and go to sleep on her own is quite the opposite of selfish. Sometimes I would like nothing more than to keep her up and continue playing with her or to hold her until she falls asleep, or go to the mall even though I know the trip will run into her nap time, but her need for sleep far outweighs anything I want or need. If my baby wakes up in the middle of the night (which she really never does) I check her immediately to make sure she is okay and within a few minutes she is calm and on her way to sleep again. How dare you imply that I neglect my child by not waking her up to change her diaper! If I did that I am robbing her brain of the sleep it needs to develop, as a person with a knowledge of child development you should know that too. And yes she is wet when she wakes up, as pretty much all babies are whenever they wake up from a nap or from a sleep, but she is happy and smiling and I change her diaper and we are on our way to start the day. I have never judged your beliefs, you do what works for you but to imply that I am selfish and that I neglect my child, and to say she is understimulated, is so out of line. You don't even know me or my baby. It's a low blow, I would never do that to another mother, and I certainly did not judge you...until now.





actually you judged me by saying I was uneducated and didnt know about infant sleep because I had not educated my self when in fact I have. Before making any decision for my children I do loads of research to make sure it is what is best.



I know that I would rather disturb my babys sleep and change her diaper then let her stew in it and get a terrible rash.



If your daughter has not had a rash I would consider yourself  very lucky.



and as this started out it was only a diference of opinion. If you truly feel good about leaving your baby sleeping for 12 hours even though her diaper may be terribly full and she could end up with a blistering rash than good for you.



I myself cant imagine causeing my daughter any unesecery discomfort so I iwll be changing my daughters diaper at night regardless of if she has to eat or not.

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.















a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.














 














Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.


















                                                                                                                                       











 


















if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.















This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.












I am not concerned about the amount of rest I get, I gave up on selfishness when I decided to have children. It is all about them now and their needs come before mine. 12 hours alone in a crib is far to much. Pediatricians and psychologists agree that  a baby as young as 4 months should not be sleeping more than 5 hours at a time (5 hours is actually considerd sleeping through the night)








and you having said that a sleep expert told you and so it is 100% accurate is just a load of crap, the sleep expert you may have spoken to may have had his training years ago before current eveidance was available or had his own biasis.








as far as my daughter being over tired she is not, she has a schedual for sleep and for naps, and she also does not lie in a full diaper all night. Trust me I really do not mind listining to a crying child if I know they do not need anything. Sometimes kids are overstimulated and do need that quiet time away (mine does once and a while) This is the situations where my daughter is left to cry, but she does not cry for hours. I notice my child is over stimulated when she becomes overly fussy for no reason and within literaly 30 seconds of placing in her crib she stops crying and falls asleep, if my child did not stop crying I would go to her and attend to her needs.








If your daughter is basicaly sleeping from 6 pm to 6 am straight and having her recomended naps during the day and eating when she is not naping than perhaps she is understimulated dont you think?








babies also need time to exercise their motor skills and to engage in parent child activities such as reading, singing ect so if she is eating and sleeping all that you say she does than there really isnt any thime for anything else?








I am going to stick with my beliefs here out of personal expeirince and my educational background in psychology, Montessori education and early child hood development when I say that at 4 months of age it is absolutly wrong to let a child cry it out for hours and it is also absolutly wrong to let your kid sit in a urine filled diaper for 12 hours, not only is it wrong but it is neglect and I for one would not be encouraging other mothers to neglect their children.









First of all my sleep expert got HER degree within the last 4 years, when did you get yours? Did you keep it up after having kids? Secondly I am absolutely NOT neglecting my child by allowing her to sleep for 12 hours without WAKING HER UP to change her diaper. My daughter is so NOT UNDER-stimulated either. When she's awake she laughs, she talks, we play, we go outside, we read books, she is moving right along and is actaully a little ahead of most 5 month olds as far as her motor skills go. I don't know about your kids but it doesn't take my child 2 hours to eat, so when she wakes up and eats we have loads of time to play before she needs a rest again. Letting your child become overly fussy is a very late sign of being overtired, I would think a person with a degree in child development would know that. I would also expect a person with a degree in child development to know the age-appropriate length of time an infant needs to process before going to sleep. For a 4 month old it is approximately 45 minutes and please note this is only during the sleep training period. Also, you are completely out of line to imply that I am a selfish mother by not attending to my child. As I have stated SEVERAL times in my previous replies my baby was left to cry alone in her crib when we began to sleep train her...it is a TEMPORARY measure to be used for an age-appropriate length of time to allow her to figure out how to put herself to sleep. Trust me, it was not easy to hear her cry but I knew all of her needs were met, and the age appropriate length of time was only 30 minutes to let her cry before picking her up and calming her down or assessing why she is not falling asleep (spit up in her face, gas, etc.). She always fell asleep within 25 minutes, I think this says that all of her needs were met and she needed the time to process how to go to sleep. She no longer cries, EVER, as I have said multiple times, because I know the age-appropriate length of time that she can be awake. Giving my child the opportunity to get enough rest and go to sleep on her own is quite the opposite of selfish. Sometimes I would like nothing more than to keep her up and continue playing with her or to hold her until she falls asleep, or go to the mall even though I know the trip will run into her nap time, but her need for sleep far outweighs anything I want or need. If my baby wakes up in the middle of the night (which she really never does) I check her immediately to make sure she is okay and within a few minutes she is calm and on her way to sleep again. How dare you imply that I neglect my child by not waking her up to change her diaper! If I did that I am robbing her brain of the sleep it needs to develop, as a person with a knowledge of child development you should know that too. And yes she is wet when she wakes up, as pretty much all babies are whenever they wake up from a nap or from a sleep, but she is happy and smiling and I change her diaper and we are on our way to start the day. I have never judged your beliefs, you do what works for you but to imply that I am selfish and that I neglect my child, and to say she is understimulated, is so out of line. You don't even know me or my baby. It's a low blow, I would never do that to another mother, and I certainly did not judge you...until now.





actually you judged me by saying I was uneducated and didnt know about infant sleep because I had not educated my self when in fact I have. Before making any decision for my children I do loads of research to make sure it is what is best.



I know that I would rather disturb my babys sleep and change her diaper then let her stew in it and get a terrible rash.



If your daughter has not had a rash I would consider yourself  very lucky.



and as this started out it was only a diference of opinion. If you truly feel good about leaving your baby sleeping for 12 hours even though her diaper may be terribly full and she could end up with a blistering rash than good for you.



I myself cant imagine causeing my daughter any unesecery discomfort so I iwll be changing my daughters diaper at night regardless of if she has to eat or not.

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.













a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.












 












Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.















                                                                                                                                       









 















if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.












This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.









I am not concerned about the amount of rest I get, I gave up on selfishness when I decided to have children. It is all about them now and their needs come before mine. 12 hours alone in a crib is far to much. Pediatricians and psychologists agree that  a baby as young as 4 months should not be sleeping more than 5 hours at a time (5 hours is actually considerd sleeping through the night)






and you having said that a sleep expert told you and so it is 100% accurate is just a load of crap, the sleep expert you may have spoken to may have had his training years ago before current eveidance was available or had his own biasis.






as far as my daughter being over tired she is not, she has a schedual for sleep and for naps, and she also does not lie in a full diaper all night. Trust me I really do not mind listining to a crying child if I know they do not need anything. Sometimes kids are overstimulated and do need that quiet time away (mine does once and a while) This is the situations where my daughter is left to cry, but she does not cry for hours. I notice my child is over stimulated when she becomes overly fussy for no reason and within literaly 30 seconds of placing in her crib she stops crying and falls asleep, if my child did not stop crying I would go to her and attend to her needs.






If your daughter is basicaly sleeping from 6 pm to 6 am straight and having her recomended naps during the day and eating when she is not naping than perhaps she is understimulated dont you think?






babies also need time to exercise their motor skills and to engage in parent child activities such as reading, singing ect so if she is eating and sleeping all that you say she does than there really isnt any thime for anything else?






I am going to stick with my beliefs here out of personal expeirince and my educational background in psychology, Montessori education and early child hood development when I say that at 4 months of age it is absolutly wrong to let a child cry it out for hours and it is also absolutly wrong to let your kid sit in a urine filled diaper for 12 hours, not only is it wrong but it is neglect and I for one would not be encouraging other mothers to neglect their children.





First of all my sleep expert got HER degree within the last 4 years, when did you get yours? Did you keep it up after having kids? Secondly I am absolutely NOT neglecting my child by allowing her to sleep for 12 hours without WAKING HER UP to change her diaper. My daughter is so NOT UNDER-stimulated either. When she's awake she laughs, she talks, we play, we go outside, we read books, she is moving right along and is actaully a little ahead of most 5 month olds as far as her motor skills go. I don't know about your kids but it doesn't take my child 2 hours to eat, so when she wakes up and eats we have loads of time to play before she needs a rest again. Letting your child become overly fussy is a very late sign of being overtired, I would think a person with a degree in child development would know that. I would also expect a person with a degree in child development to know the age-appropriate length of time an infant needs to process before going to sleep. For a 4 month old it is approximately 45 minutes and please note this is only during the sleep training period. Also, you are completely out of line to imply that I am a selfish mother by not attending to my child. As I have stated SEVERAL times in my previous replies my baby was left to cry alone in her crib when we began to sleep train her...it is a TEMPORARY measure to be used for an age-appropriate length of time to allow her to figure out how to put herself to sleep. Trust me, it was not easy to hear her cry but I knew all of her needs were met, and the age appropriate length of time was only 30 minutes to let her cry before picking her up and calming her down or assessing why she is not falling asleep (spit up in her face, gas, etc.). She always fell asleep within 25 minutes, I think this says that all of her needs were met and she needed the time to process how to go to sleep. She no longer cries, EVER, as I have said multiple times, because I know the age-appropriate length of time that she can be awake. Giving my child the opportunity to get enough rest and go to sleep on her own is quite the opposite of selfish. Sometimes I would like nothing more than to keep her up and continue playing with her or to hold her until she falls asleep, or go to the mall even though I know the trip will run into her nap time, but her need for sleep far outweighs anything I want or need. If my baby wakes up in the middle of the night (which she really never does) I check her immediately to make sure she is okay and within a few minutes she is calm and on her way to sleep again. How dare you imply that I neglect my child by not waking her up to change her diaper! If I did that I am robbing her brain of the sleep it needs to develop, as a person with a knowledge of child development you should know that too. And yes she is wet when she wakes up, as pretty much all babies are whenever they wake up from a nap or from a sleep, but she is happy and smiling and I change her diaper and we are on our way to start the day. I have never judged your beliefs, you do what works for you but to imply that I am selfish and that I neglect my child, and to say she is understimulated, is so out of line. You don't even know me or my baby. It's a low blow, I would never do that to another mother, and I certainly did not judge you...until now.

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Quoting Ashley:

I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.











a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.










 










Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.












                                                                                                                                       







 












if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.









This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.





I am not concerned about the amount of rest I get, I gave up on selfishness when I decided to have children. It is all about them now and their needs come before mine. 12 hours alone in a crib is far to much. Pediatricians and psychologists agree that  a baby as young as 4 months should not be sleeping more than 5 hours at a time (5 hours is actually considerd sleeping through the night)



and you having said that a sleep expert told you and so it is 100% accurate is just a load of crap, the sleep expert you may have spoken to may have had his training years ago before current eveidance was available or had his own biasis.



as far as my daughter being over tired she is not, she has a schedual for sleep and for naps, and she also does not lie in a full diaper all night. Trust me I really do not mind listining to a crying child if I know they do not need anything. Sometimes kids are overstimulated and do need that quiet time away (mine does once and a while) This is the situations where my daughter is left to cry, but she does not cry for hours. I notice my child is over stimulated when she becomes overly fussy for no reason and within literaly 30 seconds of placing in her crib she stops crying and falls asleep, if my child did not stop crying I would go to her and attend to her needs.



If your daughter is basicaly sleeping from 6 pm to 6 am straight and having her recomended naps during the day and eating when she is not naping than perhaps she is understimulated dont you think?



babies also need time to exercise their motor skills and to engage in parent child activities such as reading, singing ect so if she is eating and sleeping all that you say she does than there really isnt any thime for anything else?



I am going to stick with my beliefs here out of personal expeirince and my educational background in psychology, Montessori education and early child hood development when I say that at 4 months of age it is absolutly wrong to let a child cry it out for hours and it is also absolutly wrong to let your kid sit in a urine filled diaper for 12 hours, not only is it wrong but it is neglect and I for one would not be encouraging other mothers to neglect their children.

Ashley - posted on 04/27/2009

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Quoting Amanda:



Quoting Ashley:




Quoting Amanda:





Quoting Ashley:

I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.









a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.








 








Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.









                                                                                                                                       





 









if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.





This is so not true. A child's brain at this age has not developed the portion that processes emotions, so they do not feel abandoned (an infant sleep expert with a degree in infant neurological development told me this, so it's 100% accurate). When babies cry themselves to sleep and all of their needs have been previously met, they are crying because either they have been awake for far too long and need to cry to wind down because they are so overstimulated, or because they are just beginning to learn how to fall asleep on their own (this process usually takes 3-4 days). Once they learn how to put themselves to sleep they will use other methods to sleep other than crying (my daughter who is now 6 mos old, sucks her thumb/fingers, or babbles for a few minutes and then she is out).  A mother should use any method they are comfortable with, not all mothers are able to listen to their baby cry and know that they are learning how to go to sleep unassisted, it is not easy. This response above is completely absurd and feel sorry for this mother and her lack of knowledge of how babies sleep cycles and behaviors develop, because she could be a well rested mother and her children could be well rested too if she simply took the time to educate herself.

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Quoting Ashley:

I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.







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Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.





                                                                                                                                       


 





if you are putting your kid down and letting her sleep for 12 hours you are actually starving her. Babies wake frequently because they need to eat. there tummys are small and do not hold much so they need to be filled frequently. Crying is actually a late sign of hunger in an infant that young but that does not mean that everytime they cry they are hungry, no  sometimes they need a bum change. would you like to lay for 12 hours surounded by feces and urine? I know I sure wouldnt.      Anyone who lets their baby cry until he gives up and falls asleep is focusing on the baby's behavior (going to sleep all alone) and not on how the baby feels in the process. The problem is that when infants are left to cry themselves to sleep, they are forced to conclude that they are not lovable enough to engage their parents' desires to comfort them. If they actually stop crying, it is because they have abandoned all hope that help will come.

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Quoting Ashley:

I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.





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Actually no at this age they do NOT need to eat every 3 hours at night, they need to SLEEP. By feeding them every 3 1/2-4 hours during the day, a bottle of 6-8oz they get the full recommended food intake of 24-32oz per day. I am NOT saying that if your baby wakes up at 2am and is acting hungry NOT to feed her, I am simply stating that if you establish an appropriate nap schedule and bedtime sleep schedule the chances of her waking up at night significantly decrease. The very first night I sleep trained my daughter she was in bed by 6pm and cried for a little while 10-15 min or so and slept until 6:15am in the morning without waking up once. And she was 10 weeks old. And a 4 month old absolutely can be on a sleep/eat routine by this age, my daughter was at 10 weeks. And since she was 3 and a half months old I have put her down sleepy, smiling, and awake and she babbles, sucks her thumb and is out within minutes.





 

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right i will say i dont like hearing people say they let their baby cry it out.. they cry for a reason. my little girl has her bath at 6pm then has her last feed at 645 ish pm then she is put in her crib. most nites she will drift off to sleep moaning alittle, but not crying, if she does cry i take her from her crib, check nappy, see if she is still hungry/thirsty. then put her back after giving her a cuddle, then she's off to dream land, and unless she is going throu a growth spurt, she sleeps right throu till 4 am then i feed her then she sleeps again till 6.30 am then everyone has to be up.. as she talks the house down lol



I like this lol. My son does the same he moans and groans but no crying or tears I put him to bed tired but not asleep and he goes to sleep all on his own I have never made him cry it out.

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my daughter is 4 months old and has about 3 feeds a night, she goes to bed at 8 ish and then i dream feed her at 10.30 ish and then 1.30ish and then 6 or 7 (she wakes up herself for this one) .

I don't really think babies are capable of sleeping thro the night at 4 months, and i am a believer that if a babies at this age is crying ,then it because they need something.

I had read a few articles saying that when a baby cry's at a young age, if you actually tend to them and comfort them or figure what it is, they actually grow more confident and feel more safe and secure, as in their heads, they were crying and distressed and you cam to them, so they start to feel safe in the knowledge that you will be there for them, therefore they become more confident in themselves and therefore cry less, or wake up and put themselves to sleep easier etc....and I am a believer in this, I very rarely put my daughter to sleep, I put her down when she's tierd, SHE puts herself to sleep.

I understand it's tough for mums who's babies wake a lot in the night, that are working as well, but I kind of think thats part of being a mum ! sleepless nights are part of the job .......

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I used to think this website was great, mom's helping mom's. But it seems to be a venue to pass judgment on other mother's and that sucks. My reply was to simply help this mother get some rest and help her little one too. The CIO method is not a method to be used every single day people, it's used for a VERY SHORT period of time (like 3-4 days) to help your child learn how to fall asleep by themselves, a skill everyone must learn and a skill only they can do. Three days is all the brain needs to learn this skill. It's not as if all mom's that used this method completely ignore our children in the middle of the night EVERY night...PLEASE! And no offense to the mother who spoke of the magazine article regarding glucose deficiencies and cot deaths, but that article is 10 years old, you might want to use something a little more current as a reference. There a lot of studies out now that relate SIDS to a brain stem development issue, so if your baby is going to die from SIDS, there is not a lot you can do about it. Also, this child is 4 months old and pretty much out of the danger zone for SIDS anyway. If your child is heavier than 12 pounds and eating well during the day, they don't need it at night, bottom line. Plus, if you keep your baby well rested during the day and have your child down within the 6pm hour, they won't wake up at night. A baby needs an uninterrupted night of sleep for brain nourishment and a mother has every right to try to make this happen for their child. My baby always sleeps through the night, has been since she was 10 weeks old when I sleep trained her. She eats very well during the day, naps well, is always happy, never cranky and I believe it has EVERYTHING to do with the amount of sleep she gets. I hope that this mother who posted this problem is able to do the same for her child. And please use whatever technique you find to work for you, but you will find putting your baby down within the 6pm hour will help her to sleep through the night. Take care.


a 4 month old needs to eat every 3 hours.

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right i will say i dont like hearing people say they let their baby cry it out.. they cry for a reason. my little girl has her bath at 6pm then has her last feed at 645 ish pm then she is put in her crib. most nites she will drift off to sleep moaning alittle, but not crying, if she does cry i take her from her crib, check nappy, see if she is still hungry/thirsty. then put her back after giving her a cuddle, then she's off to dream land, and unless she is going throu a growth spurt, she sleeps right throu till 4 am then i feed her then she sleeps again till 6.30 am then everyone has to be up.. as she talks the house down lol

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I gave a few links the first one was in the 80's simply to show that studies since then have showwed that and it isnt new inforation

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Cot deaths linked with low blood sugar

12 August 1989

Magazine issue 1677

RESEARCHERS in Scotland have linked the sudden infant death syndrome or cot death - with low levels of sugar in the blood. They found that 10 out of 38 babies who died of the syndrome had genetic deficiencies involving an enzyme called glucose-6-phosphatase, which helps to release glucose from the liver. The scientists say that there is 'an urgent need' for research on a larger scale to find out how common the problem is. They believe that it could be one of many factors that contribute to cot deaths.



The body needs glucose-6-phosphatase to make and release glucose. One of the enzyme's roles is to help to break down glycogen, a carbohydrate stored in the liver, to release glucose. If it fails and glycogen builds up in the liver - a condition known as glycogen storage disease - the level of glucose in the blood can fall, potentially causing death. ...



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I disagree she is not rude, rude is not helping your baby when they are crying and all alone, they need a mom they need to be fed, changed, reminded we are there so they can build trust in us. From the second your baby is born you are told to feed on command until atleast you intoduce solids some are the exception some are small and you should always feed on command if you let a young baby cry it out there blood sugar could drop and theyvquite possibly could die in there sleep mean while your sleeping in your bed feeling good you got your baby to sleep. You may think this will never happen to you but there is no warning



Babies need us people better get used to it

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my son is three months three weeks and just started sleeping through about 2 weeks ago. it took some practice on both our parts to get to that point though. i started feeding him a little more at his night time feeding (before bed) and if he would wake up during the night i would wate for longer periods before checking on him. (a little longer each night 5 mis first night then 10 then 15 if it lasted that long) he would wake up sometimes and just be board so you do have to listen to what kind of cry it is also. but this seemed to work for us. also a womb bear works nicely! he still sometimes gets fussy at night and turning the bear on calms him down almost immediately! stick with it and dont waver because that just puts you back to page 1! Good luck! :)

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Wow Ally, I gotta say your response was pretty rude. I am a Registered Nurse and did alot of research on this subject. I even went so far as to consult with an infant sleep expert and have learned there are many reasons why babies cry, one of them being to soothe themselves to sleep. When my daughter woke up during the night crying it was not because she was hungry, as my attempt to nurse her didn't work, she didn't nurse. She was waking up because she was overstimulated throughout the day and was put to bed too late. I used the method of letting my child learn how to soothe herself to sleep and I decided to give her an age appropriate responsibility of putting herself to sleep. Babies do not need us to put them to sleep, they are the only ones who decide to shut their own eyes and fall asleep. By giving her this responsibility and the opportunity to self-soothe I am helping her to become a confident human being. I feel as a mom you should do what works for you and NOT be judgmental of other mothers; we are all doing the best we can for our precious little ones. I would spend hours and hours rocking my daughter to sleep only to have her wake up screaming the minute I put her in her crib; she was miserable and so was I. Now she doesn't cry when I put her in her crib, she smiles at me as I leave her room and smiles at me when she wakes up. The best advice I can give to you Gemma so both you and your baby can get some rest is to make sure she gets good naps throughout the day, is only awake for 90 minutes at a time, and in bed by 6pm. When she's 6 months she will be able to be awake for 2 hours at a time. A few days to a week of this should have her sleeping through the night. And a baby this age absolutely can sleep 12 hours, and WANTS to. Waking up every 2-3 hours is not quality sleep and does not nourish the baby's rapidly growing brain. At 4 months she should be given about 60 minutes to "cry" herself to sleep, this will be torture at first but should shorten day by day and eventually disappear. My daughter just squeals and babbles now before drifting off to sleep. It is hard work, and a lot of times when she cried in her crib, so did I. But it gets better, just stick with it. Good Luck!

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well said melissa! ...i love how people who let their babies cry it out then say it's "good for them" or "im teaching them how to self soothe"...give me a break..they're doing it bc they don't want the hassle of getting up at night to meet their childs physical or emotional needs...get over yourself people...infants don't need to "cry IT out..whatever IT is" it's not about you anymore grow up..wake up..pick up your babies and start being a mom ...no one said being a mom was convenient!



Thanks Ally I get a lot of flack because I am 22 with 2 kids but atleast I do the best I can, my children never ave to wonder where is my mommy? Am I alone? I cant say that for alot of older people the funny thing was the other day someone said to me if you waited to have kids you would appreciate them more, I dont think that is possible I appreciate them for every second.I put everything into being a mom when its fun and when its not so fun. Kids arent toys you pull out when you want Iam just glad to see more moms who agree with me. Your kids will thank you.

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I don't think there is any special trick. They will when they are ready. My little one is 3.5 months (my fifth one) and he is just beginning to sleep for 5-hour stretches. Still gets up around 3-4 a.m. though. It will happen pretty soon.

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I'm in the "tend to their needs" camp too. Especially at such a young age!! The only communication tool young babies have in their arsenal is crying. They have no other way to communicate their needs. I think ignoring them is cruel and I don't think it teaches them anything. Sure they will fall asleep eventually from sheer exhaustion. And they may even give up on crying altogether, but that means they have given up on trying to communicate with you. Not a lesson I would want to teach my child. Many of my friends succumbed to the "let him/her cry it out! He/She is just manipulating you" crowds and they went through a week or more of hell listening to their babies cry for hours at a time. Some even vomited. Most moms cried right along with their babies. And then they would tell me "it worked", only to find themselves back at square one whenever their little one was teething, sick, going through some developmental phase (many babies stop sleeping through the night right before they hit certain big milestones) etc. And then they would have to go through the torture all over again. So I say - just listen to your baby. She needs you. You should be there for her. And don't think I don't understand the pressure of sleep deprivation! I'm walking the walk. My son is 16 months old now and I still frequently get up with him. But he never ever cries when he wakes up. He will either play for a bit and go back to sleep on his own, or he will stand up and call "mom!" and patiently wait for me to come into his room. He is secure in the knowledge that mommy is there for him and I am convinced that that is why he is such a happy and confident little boy all the time. Lack of sleep is a price I'm willing to pay.

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well said melissa! ...i love how people who let their babies cry it out then say it's "good for them" or "im teaching them how to self soothe"...give me a break..they're doing it bc they don't want the hassle of getting up at night to meet their childs physical or emotional needs...get over yourself people...infants don't need to "cry IT out..whatever IT is" it's not about you anymore grow up..wake up..pick up your babies and start being a mom ...no one said being a mom was convenient!

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At four months babies should not sleep through the night. If your baby is waking up through the night he NEEDS you. People and this crying it out method, these are babies who are supposed to trust that you will come when they need you they are hungry there diaper needs to be changed. Do all of you sleep through the night or do you wake up for a glass of water or to use the washroom maybe just to rollover annd switch sides, to flip your pillow. It is absolutely ridiculous to make a four month old cry it out. They wake up they eat they need to be changed if you want to be a mom it comes with the territory.

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Some babies sleep thourgh the night some don't, If a baby is getting up at 4 months old to eat it is completely normal. My daughter still doesn't sleep through the night, and she's 8 months old.

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I've tried both ways....Dr. Sears and Ezzo's babywise and I combined them both. Tricky, but worked for me. I ended up letting my 5 month old cry one night for about 1-2 hours. Seems like an eternity, but the next night he didn't cry as long and the next night not at all. This was about a week ago and every night since he has slept 8-11 hours. This is drastically different from what he was doing a week ago...getting up every 2-3 hours. I did not change anything in feeding. I still breast feed the same amount during the day. 5-6 times. He is healthy and happy. Happier now that he is sleeping. You have to be ready to do it yourself and be comfortable with it our you will feel terrible. You have to have the mind set that you are helping him learn to sleep and you have to have support. If you don't have support then it will not work. You may try it now and if it doesn't work in a few day try again in a month or so. I don't think my little guy was ready until recently. Kelly is right though...you have to make sure they get a full feeding, not a snack...especially before bed.

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Don't expect too much out of your infant, most babies don't sleep through the night at 4 months

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The book "Happiest Baby on the Block" by Dr. Harvey Karp helped me immensely.

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Definaltly having a routine is good. But if you stick to it to strictly then they might have a hard time falling asleep any other way. The one thing i had a hard time with was that my son ate every two hours and it took him an hour to eat 1/2oz so when he got older and i was used to feeding him so much i stuck to the routine without even realizing that i was teaching him to wake up during the night. I started to hold off feedings by 5 10 15 ect.... Eventually he learned to eat more and sleep longer by 1 1/2 months he would sleep from 7:30p to 9am which I thought was too much but the doctor told me if he slept like that and was eating more through out the day and gaining weight that it was ok for him to sleep for that long. he is know 8 months old and wieghs 21lbs. He still eats alot during the day and sleeps until 8am.

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my kids were all pretty good sleepers, but with my middle one he woke up in the middle of the night and by 5 months he still wasnt sleeping thru, my dr. just told me to let him cry it out!. the first night I tried but i felt bad and got up with him the next night, i just made sure he ate good and the he woke up and cr ied for like 20 min. The next night it was like 10 min. and then 5 and then nothing. It worked, but you have to be able to just let them cry and thats the hardest part I think.

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I am also a Babywise fan and used their methods on all my children. The use of routine is so important to babies as it makes them feel secure and know what to expect. With any book you take what works for you and sometimes you can modify parts of it to suit your family and lifestyle. All the best!

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I totally agree with Kelly's response. We did this with our baby who is 4 months. i have done the routine of sleep feed play and it has worked well for us. At night we had a nighttime routine and then he goes down to bed. we put him to sleep awake and he goes to sleep by himself.
The way that we got him to sleep longer during the night was to make sure he was getting enough feeds during the day ( i ended up cluster feeding every 2 hours late afternoon and early evening because our little man was actually quite a big baby and seemed to need the extra feeds). The other thing we did was take his longest night time stretch. which was at the beginning 5.5 hours and i never fed him before that time during the night. if he woke earlier then 5.5 hours i went in and resettled him without feeding him. once he went a longer stint we extended the time limit for feeding. so when he slept for a 7 hour stint we knew he could and so we started not feeding him until the 7 hours was up.
This method took about a week of persisting and being exhausted but it worked for us. he is now 4 months and sleeping 7 hours, feeding then going back to sleep for another 3-4 hours.
hope this helps. good luck with it. i know it can be frustrating but it really helps to stick it out, be persistent and consistent and they soon get the idea.

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The rule of thumb our pediatrician uses is that a baby should be able to sleep it's age minus one hour. So since your baby is 4 months...3 hour intervals is normal. I have heard of babies sleeping through the night super early but for me...even with a strict nighttime routine...my first two didn't completely sleep through the night till 8 months. And looks like my third is following the same pattern.

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i know im lucky but my baby slept through at 7wks (10-11h)! for me i believe it was the same bedtime routine every night starting day1. she eventually could predict i was putting her down and start yawning etc. also swaddle helped us to keep her cozy. also she slept though when we put her in her own room. babies sometimes make noises that sound awake but they are actually sleeping. so i couldnt hear those noises anymore and respond. i think i was actually waking her up before that. also my baby nurses. she cluster fed every 1.5-2h especially in the evening (filled the belly). try cereal around 6p then nurse/bottle at bed time. your kiddo can definitely try that now. i found my daughter woke more w/ growth spurts so maybe your baby is hungry. also consider trying daddy to put baby back down w/out a feed when she wakes so not to be rewarded for waking. good luck

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I didnt' have a textbook baby either. I had a sound sleeper that slept through the night at 3 weeks and a light sleeper who has done it maybe 6 times in the entire 2.5 years she has been alive. It think most babies fall somewhere between the two extremes though. Remember that 6 hours is considered sleeping through the night for a young baby. THe Ezzo routine is great, but I wouldn't recomend the controlled crying approach of his. Even he states that it is for babies six months and up.

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www.ezzo.info

in reference to the ezzo method, take a look at this site!
I think its important to be informed before making a parenting choice.

Good luck, My first child didnt sleep for more than 3 hours until he was one!!! It was truly horrendous. Ive since had two more.The middle one slept through from a month old and our new addition is still a frequent waker at 6 months!!! I didnt do anything differently! I think they are either good sleepers or not!!!!

The Sears baby book is a good read for putting your mind at rest that its normal and that every child is different.

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