How important the vaccinations?

Michelle - posted on 10/08/2011

so where does your biology come into play, and can you help us out with some facts about why vaccines are worth the risk.

Michelle - posted on 10/08/2011

They claim that there isn't mercury. I hope for your childs sake that their telling the truth.

Belle - posted on 10/07/2011

Here probably isn't the appropriate place to ask that question, olyvia. Good luck with your decision! :-)

Michelle - posted on 10/07/2011

but what if the people who make the vaccines were really only doing it for the money, in my opinion vaccine manufactururs probobly dont care what happens to a few kids who react badly to their product, just as long as the majority buy into the idea that it does more good then harm. and they continue to perpetuate the lie and the money keeps rolling in, dont take everything that the government says as truth, because they want your money just like the vaccine bussiness does. please research both sides before you decide to follow blindly risking your childs precious tiny underdeveloped immune system.

Kimberly - posted on 10/03/2011

P.S. If you are not vaccinating you should be forced to stay in your home so you don't become a contagion.

Kimberly - posted on 10/03/2011

YOu are dfucking moron, both Mercury and Thimersosol have not been used as preservatives in VCaccines in quyite some time. Stop spreading misinformation.

Laurie - posted on 09/15/2011

VERY IMPORTANT! Vaccines are the reason we don't see deadly diseases killing children anymore! The "studies" linking vaccines to other "conditions" have been shown to be flawed to say the least.

Keli - posted on 09/13/2011

im all for it...

Belle - posted on 09/13/2011

Many would say how could they live with the risk of many illnesses that come with vaccines, too, Nikki. Asthma, cancer, brain damage, ADD/ADHD, risk of death, ANY risk of ANY reaction. That's where you individually weigh those risks up just as we already have. Nice chatting with you

Nikki - posted on 09/13/2011

I will say one more thing, then I am done with this conversation.

My main reason for vaccinating my daughter and vaccinating according to the schedule was that I couldn't live with myself if I had decided against it and she died of a preventable disease. How could any parent live with that decision?

Nikki - posted on 09/13/2011

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I may not have conveyed my self particularly well, but I do understand herd immunity, I also understand the struggles parents face when they are dealing with possible reactions and allergies, because I was one of those parents.

When I didn't think that it was possible for my daughter to be vaccinated (family history of near fatal reactions) I researched every avenue of the anti vax movement. There are no valid arguments, not strong enough for me to agree with anyway.

Belle - posted on 09/13/2011

Yeah you are sensitive. Maybe to understand pro vaccinating completely, you need to understand both sides (because no matter how pro vax you are - anti vax parents are educated with valid information, too) without jumping down my throat. Just because you're pro vax doesn't mean delay vaccinating is just for the anti vax groups etc. You don't have a complete understanding (take this with respect) of heard immunity from what you've said. I think to be genuinely educated, you've got to be accepting of both sides of all discussions - vaccinations or not.

My opinion wasn't negative - nor was it conjured up. It's all legitimate information and I'm sorry you cant see that Nikki. If anything - your posts are scarier than mine. Vaccinations aren't a one size suits all thing, you need to respect that because there ARE such things as vaccine sensitivities and families with allergies to neuro-toxins etc. don't leap too far, because you're not being persuasive. Rethink how you approach these mamas :-)

Nikki - posted on 09/13/2011

I am not suggesting that you are against vaccines however I have looked into delayed schedules and I personally would not choose that route. With the immunisation rates decreasing (where I lived) I absolutely would not consider delaying vaccinations. Babies die from preventable diseases and we can not rely on herd immunity to keep them safe.

I am aware that various "professionals" have different opinions on the schedule and or delaying it, my problem with your argument is that there is no valid evidence to back up your claim. Yes there are small studies covering a huge variety of subjects relating to vaccinating but a study of 30 babies is not exactly conclusive.

There are major long term clinical studies which conclude that vaccinations are not a risk factor contributing to SIDS.

My problem with your original post is that it sounds really scary. If a mother had not researched vaccinations and read that post I could imagine that it is very possible they might begin questioning the validity of vaccinating at all.

I am very pro vax (if you couldn't tell), I feel we have a responsibility not only to protect our children but to protect those members of society who are either unable to be vaccinated due to valid allergies and those with impaired immune defences. I get sick to death of hearing mothers (particularly on CoM) come up with their crack pot excuses not to vaccinate their children. It is clearly apparent that most of them have not researched the subject but merely done a quick google search which of course sprouts up all kinds of fun conspiracy theories for them to continue their rambling.

So I am a little sensitive when it comes to hearing negative opinions regarding vaccinations, just because I know how easily persuaded some mothers can be.

Delayed solids on the other hand.... I am all for :)

Belle - posted on 09/13/2011

no, trace amounts of mercury/thermisol are still prevalent. not to mention there is a huge difference between naturally occurring mercury in fish and undisclosed amounts of synthetic mercury in vaccines. You're making out Im against vaccines - I'm not. I'm for them. But I also think delay vaccinating until the central nervous system is developed enough for the overload is a very wise decision. I don't see what's wrong with that... And neither do plenty of neurologists, homeopaths, toxicologists and MDs....
Maybe just look into benefits of a delayed schedule... Just like delayed solids... patience is all...

Nikki - posted on 09/13/2011

I won't write it for your benefit..... love but I will write one very important fact for others who maybe mislead by your post.

Mercury is no longer an ingredient in childhood vaccines. The flu shot does contain mercury but the concentration is so low that by eating a can of tuna you would consume more mercury.

Belle - posted on 09/12/2011

fortunately, I don't care. Don't bother rewriting for the sale of me, love. It's not that important. I know I'm right, neurologists know I'm right - those trained in toxicology know I'm right.

Nikki - posted on 09/12/2011

I am not attacking you Belle, but you are wrong. I just had a huge response written out to post and com froze and deleted it. I don't have time right now but I will be back later to rewrite it.

Belle - posted on 09/09/2011

What? I don't know why you're attacking me... I'm not wrong. Those ingredients are known carcinogens and DO have side effects, which is why a delayed schedule is an informed decision. You can't legally make toys with those chemicals in them but they can intreveniouslly pumped into developing bodies? Yeah... And yes, vaccines do save lives... I don't know why you'd insinuate that I think they dont.

Nikki - posted on 09/09/2011

Belle that is completely untrue, I suggest you do a little research because you are very wrong. Vaccines are safe. Vaccines save lives. I agree with Jane 100%

Olyvia - posted on 09/08/2011

thanks for all your advises, i would do the necessary for my baby..

Jane - posted on 09/07/2011

Boy, did you open a can of worms! There is a lot of controversy over vaccinations, but as a trained biologist and a mom this is what I believe:

There is a reason for the schedule. To protect your baby the best you need to follow the schedule. Yes, there is some leeway, but you will be going against loads and loads of research if you wait too long.

Vaccines save lives. In every country where vaccination rates dropped because people believed they were bad, disease rates and child death rates rose.

So do the best you can to follow the schedule. Anyone who claims vaccines are bad are members of a group who believe in conspiracy theories or folks who just don't know enough biology to be able to evaluate the information.

Belle - posted on 09/07/2011

Millions of parents delay vaccinations as it DOES lessen their risk of reaction and issues such as asthma, SIDS, Cot death and neurological issues from preservatives in the vaccines, such as thermisol, mercury, polysorbate 80, animal cells etc. These toxic substances can be lethal if administered too early into a underdeveloped human/baby. If you feel comfortable following a "delayed schedule" then do that! Do what you think is best and always do your research so you feel confident with your decision, especially when faced with explaining to pushy doctors. Good luck :-)

Julie - posted on 09/07/2011

Vaccines are not just important for not only your child but for other children as well. It strengthens the heard immunity that we all share. Talk to your doctor if you have any questions about vaccines.

Olyvia - posted on 09/07/2011

your definitely right nikki.. thanks for your response!

Nikki - posted on 09/07/2011

Very important. Vaccines save lives. If she has already had her first lot of vaccinations the chances of her having any kind of reaction are slim to none. Ask yourself this, if you decide against vaccinating and you baby became infected with one of these deadly preventable diseases how would you feel? Get her vaccinated, it's safe and it's responsible.