Has anyone regretted their decision not to vaccinate?

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This is not meant to be a debate about whether or not to vaccinate. I am just curious to see what everyone else's experience is, because it seems to me that there are plenty of parents out there who regret fully or partially vaccinating but I am yet to come across someone who has regretted not vaccinating.
Furthermore, it seems that those choosing not to vaccinate seem to be highly educated despite the media making them out to be stupid, ignorant and irresponsible. What is your experience?

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Educated Father Of 1 Beautiful Little - posted on 06/12/2013

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LO was born in July of 2012. We opted out of vaccinating after intensive research and self-educating. To this day, (She'll be 1 yr old in 1 month and 7 days) She has never been sick once. Not one fever, not one ear infection, not one detrimental health issue, what so ever. She is fully breastfeed, which by human nature, gives entirely enough structure to build and form a proper immune system, without lab created poisons. We do not plan to vaccinate at all and are more than satisfied with this decision. I hope this helps some of the "on the fence" mothers and fathers and promotes personal education on this matter. Many of my close friends and families children are constantly in and out of hospice and doctor care at such a young age, and being formula feed around other sick children is not the only culprit for this.. Its the big pharmacy vaccines that are intentionally poisoning these children's immune system. I really hope this helps and answers your question. No regret what so ever.

Marjie - posted on 11/06/2013

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My daughter is fully vaccinated according to the CDC schedule. She suffered no adverse reactions to the shots but a little redness and swelling that subsided after a day or two. She hardly ever gets sick and the few colds she has had have been very mild. So there's my anecdote. It's ultimately meaningless in this vaccine "debate" and if you don't know why, then you don't actually understand how science works. So, go vaccinate your kids.

Elizabeth - posted on 09/30/2013

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Great topic!
I have 6 kids (30-14 yrs old) who were never vaccinated. For lot of reasons, of course, but mostly it didn't make sense to inject our tiny babies with toxins, the effects of which weren't fully understood. Partner and I felt very strongly that we had to work that much harder to maintain healthy, low-stress and happy lifestyle for the kids.
They are, without exception, the healthiest and most robust young people I know.
I've never been %100 confident about our decision, but I've never been sorry, either.
It isn't easy, either way.

Lucy - posted on 04/11/2013

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I know many who now regret vaccinating, but I've never heard it the other way around.

Jacqui - posted on 05/22/2013

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I have a 13 year old who was last vaccinated at 4 years old, and a 9 year old who has severe autism who was last vaccinated at 2. Neither of my children have died or become ill with anything other than a cold since stopping. They used to get ear infections and I had to bring them to the pediatrician a lot back when we were vaccinating. I was on the other side of the debate thinking there were terrible non vaccinating parents in the world but then watched my children's health slowly decline and realized it was all due to the vaccines. I got informed and have never regretted my decision not to harm my children. I will also take my chances with "deadly" diseases rather than purposely give my kids chronic diseases that they will have to suffer with forever. I just wish I had been informed sooner, then maybe my child could speak a word or go to the bathroom on the potty or have a bowel movement without a colonic.

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Brittany - posted 4 hours ago

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Thanks again Lucy, but if you are seeking a debate with matching fanaticism, sorry to disappoint, as this is not my nature or interest. Interpret my refusal to engage as you will. I will not be participating any further...

Lucy - posted 7 hours ago

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Brittany,

You have completely sidestepped all the issues raised regarding the weaknesses of vaccine science. Surely if you could have debated the issues which were raised then you would. You cannot simply gloss over these issues and say that somebody else has answered them, if you knew they had a strong answer you would have repeated it. It's clear that you are deliberately avoiding these problems and hoping they will go away. As a reminder here again are the serious limitations of vaccine science:-

1. Not using real controls in safety studies, instead only comparing with another vaccine; this only compares which vaccine of the two is more/less risky, but not if a vaccine is safe compared to no vaccine or compared to a saline solution.

2. Short-term safety studies - if we only test a vaccine for a few days, we have no idea if an autoimmune disease or allergy will appear in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years, for example when a vaccine induces MS it takes at least 2 months to appear.

3. Conflicts of interest - The majority of studies are coming from the pharmaceuticals and from those who are funded by them, there is little independent science on vaccines. It's also a huge problem that if vaccines go wrong and create a lifelong complication such as Diabetes Type 1 then the Pharmaceuticals go on to profit from this. Such goal-posts need to be moved, the only way this can work is for the pharmaceuticals to profit per healthy individual, not per diseased individual.

4. Not studying unvaccinated people - They keep refusing to study unvaccinated people, there are many unvaccinated individuals out there, but Pharma don't want to study them. Surely if they knew that unvaccinated were so unhealthy they would jump right onto that study and use it to increase sales, but they don't, they are desperate to avoid it.

5. Not studying how long vaccines stay effective for - Just because antibodies are initially induced, doesn't mean they'll still be there 10 years down the line, by which point it can be a lot more dangerous to get the disease than if you had had it as a child.

6. Recommending Tylenol / Paracetamol for use with vaccines but not studying it in the efficacy tests. In fact it's known that it reduces effectiveness of vaccines, yet we hear that Pharma care so much about herd immunity, but clearly by recommending Tylenol for post-vaccination fever they don't, as it regularly stops vaccines from working. Also they don't use Tylenol in the safety studies, a study from the University of California found a correlation between those who used Tylenol around the time of their MMR vaccine and those who regressed into Autism soon after MMR.

7. Not using immune-compromised individuals in vaccine studies - We are told that they need the vaccines first, yet only healthy people are used in the studies, again we see that this is not science but assumption; it's far too much about leaping to conclusions. How do we even know if vaccines are working or safe on the immune-compromised if the studies are never done.

8. Efficacy studies look for new antibodies, but antibodies do not guarantee immunity at the cellular level, hence why so many people with vaccine-induced antibodies still go down with the illness they've been vaccinated against. We need to stop assuming that vaccination is immunization.

Brittany - posted 2 days ago

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Lucy, thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts and response to my question, "How do you define junk science?" Do you have any original research or publications or are your thoughts a synthesis of the work of others? The reason I ask, Google returns a series of repeating sentiments very similar to yours echoed across the internet and the sources you cited, as well as equal amounts of information directly contradicting your points.

I initially engaged in this post to hear from other moms who find it confusing to sort through all the conflicting information out there. For me (a doctor and public health scholar, many even refer to me as "expert") I just want to let you know that I was a bit offended by your blanket statements about "experts," that we are all only in this for our own personal financial gain, among other things said. My motivation is my daughter, the biggest blessing in my life.

To answer the original question from this thread, I have no regrets in vaccinating my daughter. I feel confident in my training and scientific literacy, but many mothers acknowledge that this is not their area of expertise and are looking for assistance; we are trying to find ways to support one another in producing the best and most accurate information available. Negative stereotyping and broad disregard for expertise comes across as spiteful, not helpful. If you have had unfortunate encounters with experts, those experiences are very important to share so that we can minimize negative outcomes, but perhaps cite your individual experiences rather than lumping us into a single homogenous description.

I thank you again for expressing your concerns, and I'm sure you did not mean to offend me personally, but in the future, please use caution before you select such hurtful language to describe people like me. Many many "experts" you unfairly labeled are also parents who love our children and want the best for them too; you are correct in that we are absolutely seeking personal gain, but not for the reasons you described.

I appreciate your passion, and I think you and I are actually on the same side, the side of our kids' health. As parents, we all need to continue to work together in positive ways to ensure that in an age of information overload where anyone can publish anything on the web, we do not lose sight of our common goal for accuracy. In the end, we all want the same thing, don't we? For our beautiful children to be healthy, happy, and to grow up to fulfill their greatest potential.

Lucy - posted 5 days ago

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Brittany,

Some examples of what makes vaccine science junk science:-

1. Not using real controls in safety studies, instead only comparing with another vaccine; this only compares which vaccine of the two is more/less risky, but not if a vaccine is safe compared to no vaccine or compared to a saline solution.

2. Short-term safety studies - if we only test a vaccine for a few days, we have no idea if an autoimmune disease or allergy will appear in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years, for example when a vaccine induces MS it takes at least 2 months to appear.

3. Conflicts of interest - The majority of studies are coming from the pharmaceuticals and from those who are funded by them, there is little independent science on vaccines. It's also a huge problem that if vaccines go wrong and create a lifelong complication such as Diabetes Type 1 then the Pharmaceuticals go on to profit from this. Such goal-posts need to be moved, the only way this can work is for the pharmaceuticals to profit per healthy individual, not per diseased individual.

4. Not studying unvaccinated people - They keep refusing to study unvaccinated people, there are many unvaccinated individuals out there, but Pharma don't want to study them. Surely if they knew that unvaccinated were so unhealthy they would jump right onto that study and use it to increase sales, but they don't, they are desperate to avoid it.

5. Not studying how long vaccines stay effective for - Just because antibodies are initially induced, doesn't mean they'll still be there 10 years down the line, by which point it can be a lot more dangerous to get the disease than if you had had it as a child.

6. Recommending Tylenol / Paracetamol for use with vaccines but not studying it in the efficacy tests. In fact it's known that it reduces effectiveness of vaccines, yet we hear that Pharma care so much about herd immunity, but clearly by recommending Tylenol for post-vaccination fever they don't, as it regularly stops vaccines from working. Also they don't use Tylenol in the safety studies, a study from the University of California found a correlation between those who used Tylenol around the time of their MMR vaccine and those who regressed into Autism soon after MMR.

7. Not using immune-compromised individuals in vaccine studies - We are told that they need the vaccines first, yet only healthy people are used in the studies, again we see that this is not science but assumption; it's far too much about leaping to conclusions. How do we even know if vaccines are working or safe on the immune-compromised if the studies are never done.

8. Efficacy studies look for new antibodies, but antibodies do not guarantee immunity at the cellular level, hence why so many people with vaccine-induced antibodies still go down with the illness they've been vaccinated against. We need to stop assuming that vaccination is immunization.

I could go on all day, but I'll leave it at that for now as it's enough for you to think about.

Jodi - posted 5 days ago

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Brittany, Lucy's idea of "junk science" is any scientist who thinks vaccines are a good thing. She's quite fanatical about spreading those general myths.

Truef - posted 6 days ago

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No i don't regret not vaccinating, and my children are healthier than those vaccinated.

Please watch The Nazi bankster crimes on youtube. There is more information there regarding vaccinations.

Brittany - posted 6 days ago

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Interesting Lucy. How do you define "junk science" and how do you define good science? Examples?

Lucy - posted 6 days ago

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Brittany,

I'd recommend you have a good read of the Simpsonwood transcript released under freedom of information, you'll be surprised to see what gets admitted in the CDC meetings and how different it is to the PR we receive.

Vaccines are clearly not safe, the testing is not up to scratch and the science of vaccines that's being used to back them up is junk science.

http://www.safeminds.org/government-affa...

Lucy - posted 6 days ago

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Brittany "How do you measure the weight of accuracy between a Google search and expert advice?"

Those so-called 'experts' are either working for the corporations or in other ways financially benefiting, whereas the doctors who are independent are warning about vaccines, many doctors and researchers all warning us and demanding improved vaccine safety testing. The anti-vaccine movement was started by doctors and researchers, we need to stop pretending that Jenny McCarthy is it's leader.

Lucy - posted on 04/17/2014

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There will genuinely be a minority of parents who do regret not vaccinating, but that is based on the misinformation they have received, they are not aware that their children are better off for not vaccinating. There are 1000's of times more parents who end up regretting vaccinating their kids, as they see their child go down with Autism, Epilepsy, Crib Death, Leukemia, MS, Diabetes Type 1, Chronic Asthma etc etc after their vaccines.

I agree that everyone needs to do their own research, my findings after working in the industry and being absorbed in my own research for 10 years, are that the corporations are deliberately inducing autoimmune diseases and allergies with their vaccines so as they can then sell us drugs for the rest of our lives. For vaccines to ever be trusted again you would need to take them away from the criminal corporations who currently produce them, allow real independent testing and do high quality long-term safety tests. Currently not one of those vaccines would be allowed on the market if that were happen, they would have to rethink vaccines and start again with their science. Unfortunately for now the risk of getting vaccinated is hugely greater than the theoretical risk of not getting vaccinated. There are some independent studies which show that unvaccinated children are a lot healthier, but Big Pharma have refused to allow a major study on unvaccinated children. i.e. they'd be shooting themselves in the feet.

A good starting place for learning more about the benefits and risks of vaccination and the history of childhood disease is Dr Sherri Tenpenny, she's one of the world's leading experts in vaccine safety, below you'll see a excellent presentation she gave on the topic, she goes through each of the childhood vaccines and looks at the risks V benefit.

Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdLMeULoujM

Ashley - posted on 04/12/2014

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Hey everyone,

The original thread asks if anyone "regrets not vaccinating." So I am including stories from moms that I found who have had babies and children who have, indeed, regretted not vaccinating. The truth is, there is risk in absolutely everything we do. No one says there are no side effects to getting vaccines. The Center for Disease Control reports that chances of a serious side effect are 1 in a million. Chances of dying of the measles from not being vaccinated are 1 in a thousand. This means you are 1,000x more likely to die from the measles than suffer a side effect of any vaccine. If you want to read more about the clean facts behind vaccines backed up by the entire scientific community, here is a quick fact sheet written by a mother who is a scientist--sort of funny too: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-med...

Anyway, back to the point; the following paragraphs are different stories of parents who regret not vaccinating. If you are interested in their stories, click on the link, and you can read their whole detailed stories in the articles they have written. Thanks for reading. :)

Here is a sort of funny but serious article written by a mom chose not to vaccinate whose child developed whooping cough. The baby made it (yay!), but she is very clear about how much she regrets not vaccinating and tells how she brought the rest of her kids in to get vaccinated as soon as it happened. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...

Here is a heartbreaking article about a mom named Chelsea who lost her baby, Kaliah, to whooping cough (pertusis). Kaliah was too young to be vaccinated, and her mom has made it her quest to get her story out. Chelsea pleads at the end of the article: "I am doing my best to educate the world by telling Kaliah’s story. Pertussis (whooping cough) is very dangerous for infants because they can’t be vaccinated until they are 8 weeks old. That means newborns don’t have a fighting chance. The best way to keep the babies safe is to get vaccinated. The more people vaccinated the better it will be. If you are against vaccination or just aren’t vaccinated I really hope my little girl’s story changes your mind. Whooping cough spreads very quickly. To protect babies everywhere please get vaccinated. Thank you." This story touches me the most--maybe because my baby is still not old enough for his vaccines, and I feel like I am in a similar position of feeling so threatened by these outbreaks. Anyway, go here to read more of her sad, beautifully written words: http://shotbyshot.org/pertussis/kaliahs-...

So in this article/video. USA covers a few parents that regretted not vaccinating. One story covers a baby who died of whooping cough. They also talk about poor Jeremiah Mitchell who had to have his limbs amputated because of Meningitis. Then they cover the Measles a bit. The whole focus of this is parents that regretted not vaccinating. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...

Here is a story from parents from Australia whose child fell ill with tetanus. They were active in the anti-vaccine movement, and after their son's serious scare with tetanus, they decided to share their story with the public and try to make a difference: http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013...

Bottom line, I implore you all to do your own research. Don't take what anyone (Lucy or I) tells you as fact. No one will tell you better than your own doctor. Any doctor worth his salt (graduated from a legit med school) will tell you to vaccinate. If you don't like what one doctor has to say, go to another one. Every last one will sit down and talk to you--you deserve to be heard parents. You deserve to be listened to, and you most definitely deserve answers about all questions you have regarding vaccines. Good luck on your quest for good information, and I hope these stories help and honor the integrity of the original question of this thread.

Lucy - posted on 04/10/2014

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Here is one of the world's top vaccine safety experts (Dr Sherri Tenpenny) explaining the risk against the theoretical benefit of each vaccine in the schedule, this is essential viewing for every parent who wants to make an informed evidence-based choice on vaccination.

Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdLMeULoujM

Lucy - posted on 04/10/2014

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Measles: in a healthy well-nourished child the MMR is far more dangerous than Measles, it's not worth risking Autism, Autism is for life, whereas Measles is for less than 2 weeks, as long as you keep up with Vitamin A there is no risk. There are many other risks involved with the MMR vaccine, often lifelong damage. The only reason it's on the market is due to the incredibly low standard of safety testing required for vaccines.

Mumps: Incredibly mild, most people don't know they've got it. The scientists who made the vaccine sued Merck as Merck faked the vaccine efficacy results, the problem was that the vaccine didn't work particularly well so they added animal antibodies to fake the test results. The only time that Mumps becomes dangerous is in males who have reached puberty, it can leave them infertile. This is why it's best to catch Mumps as soon as possible, especially as on the occasions when the vaccine does work the antibodies only last 2 years, so you'd need to be getting constant boosters if you go down the vaccine route.

Rubella: Mild in most people, keep up your vitamin A during pregnancy to protect your baby, as long as you are well-nourished your unborn baby is at no risk. Rubella vaccines are known to carry a risk of Arthritis, for some reason the Pharmaceuticals are allowed to profit from your lifelong Arthritis despite the fact that they caused it with their poorly tested vaccine. It's problems like this that will discourage them from ever cleaning up their vaccines; the conflict of interest is far too strong.

Polio: Most people don't know they have Polio, it mainly has either no symptoms or is very mild. There are two changes that made Polio a risk factor to a very small percentage, these were not breastfeeding a baby and removing people's tonsils. Both Tonsils and Breast Milk contain Polio antibodies so leave you protected. Polio is spread in locations with poor sanitation and also via the Oral Polio Vaccine. They only have problems with Polio in a small number of third world nations and these are mainly caused by the oral Polio vaccine itself, as a live vaccine is used which spreads the disease. In fact the Polio from the vaccine is twice as deadly as wild Polio, but they name it NPAFP so as it doesn't show up in statistics. (a common trick)

In recent years Bill Gates sent Polio vaccines to India, researchers were furious at the number of children who were harmed by the vaccines (see below)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591...

"…while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated. The principle of primum-non-nocere [First, do no harm] was violated."

Lucy - posted on 04/10/2014

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Ashley Kissinger,

While there is every reason why the pharmaceuticals want to smear the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), it's not relevant as that's just one of the many places where you can find the Simpsonwood Freedom of Information transcript, they are not the source so even if you don't like them, they are just one of the many sites where you can read what was released under freedom of information.

Seems like you got a bit confused about the source of this information. Research Simpsonwood Freedom of Information Transcript and you'll find that it's very well known.

Here is a link to the source document

http://www.safeminds.org/government-affa...

Ashley - posted on 04/10/2014

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Hey everyone,

I said before I would list the preventable diseases and side effects here so you all have a good idea of what it's actually like should your kids come down with them (or you face an outbreak in your city--the measles are going around in both New York and California--check the Center for Disease control to see if your area has been effected). I am citing all of my information from respectable sources, but by all means, please do your own research to back up what I'm writing here.

Measles:

The cause:
The cause of measles is a very contagious virus, which lives in the mucus in the nose and throat of an infected child or adult. That child or adult is contagious from four days before the rash appears to four days after.
When someone with measles coughs, sneezes or talks, infected droplets spray into the air, where other people can inhale them. The infected droplets may also land on a surface, where they remain active and contagious for several hours. You can contract the virus by putting your fingers in your mouth or nose or rubbing your eyes after touching the infected surface.

Side Effects:
Blotchy rash, Fever, Cough, Runny nose, Red, watery eyes (conjunctivitis), Feeling run down, achy (malaise), Tiny white spots with bluish-white centers found inside the mouth (Koplik’s spots)

Complications:
- Ear infection. One of the most common complications of measles is a bacterial ear infection.
- Bronchitis, laryngitis or croup. Measles may lead to inflammation of your voice box (larynx) or inflammation of the inner walls that line the main air passageways of your lungs (bronchial tubes).
- Pneumonia. Pneumonia is a common complication of measles. People with compromised immune systems can develop an especially dangerous variety of pneumonia that is sometimes fatal.
- Encephalitis. About 1 in 1,000 people with measles develops encephalitis, an inflammation of the brain that may cause vomiting, convulsions and, rarely, coma or even death. Encephalitis can closely follow measles, or it can occur months later.
- Pregnancy problems. Pregnant women need to take special care to avoid measles, because the disease can cause pregnancy loss, preterm labor or low birth weight.
Low platelet count (thrombocytopenia). Measles may lead to a decrease in platelets — the type of blood cells that are essential for blood clotting.
- Meningitis, Viral meningitis is often less severe than bacterial meningitis and usually resolves without specific treatment. But it can be severe or fatal depending on the virus causing the infection, the person's age, or whether a person has a weakened immune system.

Best way to not contract: MMR Vaccine

Mumps:

The Cause:
The cause of mumps is the mumps virus, which spreads easily from person to person through infected saliva. If you're not immune, you can contract mumps by breathing in saliva droplets of an infected person who has just sneezed or coughed. You can also contract mumps from sharing utensils or cups with someone who has mumps.

Side Effects:
Swollen, painful salivary glands on one or both sides of your face (parotitis), Fever, Headache, Weakness and fatigue, Loss of appetite, Pain while chewing or swallowing

Complications:
Most mumps complications involve inflammation and swelling in some part of the body, such as:
- Testicles. This condition, known as orchitis, causes one or both testicles to swell in males who've reached puberty. Orchitis is painful, but it rarely leads to sterility — the inability to father a child.
- Pancreas. The signs and symptoms of this condition, known as pancreatitis, include pain in the upper abdomen, nausea and vomiting.
- Ovaries and breasts. Females who've reached puberty may have inflammation in the ovaries (oophoritis) or breasts (mastitis). Fertility is rarely affected.
- Brain. A viral infection, such as mumps, can lead to inflammation of the brain (encephalitis). Encephalitis can lead to neurological problems and become life-threatening.
- Membranes and fluid around the brain and spinal cord. This condition, known as meningitis, can occur if the mumps virus spreads through your bloodstream to infect your central nervous system.
- -Other complications--
- Hearing loss. In rare cases, mumps can cause hearing loss, usually permanent, in one or both ears.
- Miscarriage. Although it isn't proved, contracting mumps while you're pregnant, especially early on, may lead to miscarriage.

Best way to not contract: MMR vaccine

Rubella (AKA German Measles)

Definition:

The Cause:
The cause of rubella is a virus that's passed from person to person. It can spread when an infected person coughs or sneezes, or it can spread by direct contact with an infected person's respiratory secretions, such as mucus. It can also be transmitted from a pregnant woman to her unborn child via the bloodstream. A person with rubella is contagious from 10 days before the onset of the rash until about one or two weeks after the rash disappears. An infected person can spread the illness before the person realizes he or she has it.

Symptoms:
Mild fever of 102 F (38.9 C) or lower, Headache, Stuffy or runny nose, Inflamed, red eyes, Enlarged, tender lymph nodes at the base of the skull, the back of the neck and behind the ears, A fine, pink rash that begins on the face and quickly spreads to the trunk and then the arms and legs, before disappearing in the same sequence, Aching joints, especially in young women.

Complications:
Growth retardation
Cataracts
Deafness
Congenital heart defects
Defects in other organs
Mental retardation

Polio (paralytic):

Definition:
Polio is a very serious infection that causes paralysis of the muscles, including the muscles that enable you to walk and breathe. A polio infection may leave a person unable to breathe without the help of an iron lung, unable to walk without leg braces, or confined to a wheelchair. There is no cure for polio.

The Cause:
- The poliovirus resides only in humans and enters the environment in the feces of someone who's infected. Poliovirus spreads primarily through the fecal-oral route, especially in areas where sanitation is inadequate.
- Poliovirus can be transmitted through contaminated water and food or through direct contact with someone infected with the virus. Polio is so contagious that anyone living with a recently infected person is likely to become infected, too. People carrying the poliovirus can spread the virus for weeks in their feces.

The Symptoms: Loss of reflexes, Severe muscle aches or weakness, Loose and floppy limbs (flaccid paralysis), often worse on one side of the body.

Complications:
Paralytic polio can lead to temporary or permanent muscle paralysis, disability, and deformities of the hips, ankles and feet. Although many deformities can be corrected with surgery and physical therapy, these treatments may not be options in developing nations where polio is still common. As a result, children who survive polio may spend their lives with severe disabilities.

Post Polio Symptoms (average 35 years after contracting the disease):
Post-polio syndrome is a cluster of disabling signs and symptoms that affect some people several years — an average of 35 years — after they had polio. Common signs and symptoms include:
- Progressive muscle or joint weakness and pain
- General fatigue and exhaustion after minimal activity
- Muscle atrophy
- Breathing or swallowing problems
- Sleep-related breathing disorders, such as sleep apnea
- Decreased tolerance of cold temperatures
- Cognitive problems, such as concentration and memory difficulties
- Depression or mood swings

I'll continue the rest of the preventable diseases definitions, causes, symptons, and complications in the next post.

Ashley - posted on 04/10/2014

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Hi Lucy,

The group that you have mentioned time and again, The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), is not acknowledged by the mainstream scientific community. They are a right wing political group founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine." Please check the validity of your sources and read the following.

"The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association founded in 1943 to "fight socialized medicine and to fight the government takeover of medicine."[1][2] The group was reported to have approximately 4,000 members in 2005, and 3,000 in 2011.[1][3] Notable members include Ron Paul and John Cooksey;[4] the executive director is Jane Orient, a member of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine.

The AAPS motto, "omnia pro aegroto" is Latin for "all for the patient."[5] AAPS also publishes the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (formerly known as the Medical Sentinel). The Journal is not indexed by mainstream scientific databases such as the Web of Science or MEDLINE.[6] The quality and scientific validity of articles published in the Journal has been widely criticized, and many of the political and scientific viewpoints advocated by AAPS are considered extreme or dubious by mainstream scientists and medical groups.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association...

Please read the last two sentences especially carefully. This group is not recognized by the scientific community. They publish research that is of very questionable quality and all of which is heavily criticized by the mainstream scientific community. The scientific community considers their points of view to be extreme and dubious.

Just because a group has an official sounding name does not make it official by any real scientific standards. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. If you can find any research that has been peer reviewed and published in actual scientific journals, I would be more than happy to give it a read. Thanks again!

Lucy - posted on 04/10/2014

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Ashley,

Unfortunately the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons are not making up the information, they would go to jail for doing that, Simpsonwood is very well known in fact, here's the official document released under freedom of information.

http://www.safeminds.org/government-affa...

I can understand that if you're reading what they say behind closed doors for the first time, it's going to be quite different when compared to listening to marketing and propaganda, it's quite scary when you realize just how dangerous the vaccines are. You can check all this out, you can look up each of the experts involved.

I've copied and pasted key lines below for you as it is a large document

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

Here is more information on the experts involved

Bob Chen, M.D., CDC’s chief of Vaccine Safety and Development, National Immunization Program

Tom Clarkson, M.D., University of Rochester, New York, Mercury program

John Clements, World Health Organization (WHO) representing expanded program on immunization

Bob Davis, M.D., University of Washington, associate professor of pediatrics and epidemiology

Bill Egan, Ph.D., FDA’s Center for Biologics, Evaluation & Research

David Johnson, M.D., Michigan state public health officer, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)

Dick Johnston, M.D., University of Colorado School of Medicine and National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory Medicine, immunologist and pediatrician

Loren Koller, D.V.M., Oregon State University College of Veterinary Medicine, pathologist, immunotoxicologist

Martin Meyers, M.D., CDC’s acting director, National Immunization Program

Walter Orenstein, M.D. CDC’s director, National Immunization Program

Isabelle Rapin, M.D., Albert Einstein College of Medicine, neurologist for children

Tom Verstraeten, M.D., CDC’s National Immunization Program presently employed by Glaxo-Welcome, vaccine company

Bill Weil, M.D., retired pediatrician, representing American Academy of Pediatrics’ (AAP)

I'm glad that you've joined Ashley, as it's giving me more motivation to post here regularly to provide information for Mum's who haven't looked into vaccines before, I used to work in the industry myself so I can certainly help to give you all a balanced view on this important topic.

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Lucy, your last post was absolutely bogus. Did you check the URL? Who are these "experts?" Where is your peer reviewed research? Who runs this site? You are looking for things to confirm your opinion. This is called confirmation bias. You are willing to pull articles from seedy websites that have absolutely no authority and no backing from any real doctors to try to substantiate "proof" when there is none. What is the point? To prove to yourself that you are right while children across the U.S. are REALLY dying of Measles outbreaks? Stop trying to scare the shit out of moms with your bogus research. Go find ACTUAL research that has been peer reviewed by the scientific community instead of looking at the bottom of the barrel National inquirer type websites aimed to sensationalize and stir up conspiracy theory. Start taking illness seriously, ma'am. By the way, did you know that there is new scientific evidence that autism starts in the womb? I will find that article with LEGITIMATE sources to back it up.

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And here's the smoking gun people, every parent needs to see this, through freedom of information here's a link to the transcript of a closed meeting of CDC, FDA, and the manufacturers discussing the possibility of neurodevelopment disorders resulting from vaccine components. This shows the importance of understanding that what gets fed to us is simply PR; not the real Facts.

http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/cdcfd...

Dr. Johnston, pg. 14-15 & 19-20: "The data on its toxicity (shows) it can cause neurologic and renal toxicity, including death.”

Dr. Weil, pg. 24: "There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem." .... "the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 31: "we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes."

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: "Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information."

Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.” ... "I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

Dr. Weil, pg. 207: "The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant.

Dr. Brent, pg. 229 "we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits"

Dr. Clements, pg 247- 249: "that I am very concerned that this has gotten this far, and that having got this far, how you present in a concerted voice the information to the ACIP in a way they will be able to handle it and not get exposed"

Dr. Bernier, pg. 256: "just consider this embargoed information, if I can use that term, and very highly protected information"

Lucy - posted on 04/09/2014

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Actually Ale Gria the reality is quite the opposite, when doctors in Somalia see Autistic children from the USA, they call it a "Western Disease" as they have never seen it before. If you don't vaccinate you don't regress into Autism.

As for Polio the majority of Polio in the first world is coming from the Oral Polio Vaccine, it is the vaccine which is causing the problem. The solution to wild Polio is to improve sanitation, not to use dangerous jabs and spread more Polio.

In the Third World they need food and improved sanitation, vaccines are incredibly dangerous in the malnourished. Also keep in mind that UNICEF have been caught red-handed using their vaccines to sterilize in the Third World.

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i think people living in the first world (rich countries) are so bored that invent things. I invite all of the non vaccinate believers to come to the third world where you can see childs with autism even if the werent vaccinate, and to come to see the people with polio, and the crying moms who lost their children due to a preventable disease. Is awesome to see the polio people , really, just awesome with their funny walk. We ask goverment to take care of us, to give us health care, and you, the ones that alredy have it you just dont want it... you are not right from the head.

Beth - posted on 04/08/2014

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There's a religious exemption form that's used. It's on the tn.gov website.

Ashley - posted on 04/08/2014

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@Lucy,

You must be joking right? First of all, the number of people who have died from preventable diseases because they were not vaccinated from 06/2007 - 3/29/2014 is 1,378. Not to belabor the point, but 1,378 people have died in 7 years from not being vaccinated in the U.S. That is a lot of hospital time, and a lot of medicine to prevent their deaths. Big Pharmaceutical would be one happy camper with all that hospitalization, but don't lets stop there. There are plenty of people in the last few years who have needed hospitalization and gotten better. That's more medicine, more hospital bills. Hell, if big pharmaceutical really wanted to win, they'd just need to STOP vaccinating. Sickness, hospitalization, side effects, and death would be through the roof. It would be like our grandparent's generation. Big Pharmaceutical would be living like kings. ( http://www.jennymccarthybodycount.com/ )

The big problem with vaccination--its Achilles heel--is that it has worked so well that we have all forgotten how bad these diseases used to be. You have not been exposed to the conditions of what life was like in our Grandparents' and Great Grandparents' generation. For example, my Great Aunt died of the Measles, my Dad's Aunt was wheel chair bound for life due to polio (common side effect of the literally crippling disease), and even my Dad is deaf in his left ear as a side effect of the mumps. Virtually everyone around back then knew at least one person who had died or was very very sick from these diseases. But you forget that--you think it's not so bad because your grandparents were among the few that remained unaffected or had very little side effect. Here is your homework assignment: go to an old person's home, and question them. Ask them what life was like, I bet you every last one knew of someone who was seriously effected or died from what today is preventable disease. Today there are no major epidemics because MOST people vaccinate. So you don't see the horror stories. Look up infant death 100 years ago and compare it today. It's just stunning how far we have come. You are not taking these diseases seriously at all. Have you looked up the side effects? I will help you out in my next post--I will cite all my sources from the CDC (Center for disease control) so you know I am not coming up with bogus information.

The outbreaks are coming back, by the way. We are beginning to get a microscopic taste of what our great grandparents went through thanks to those of you that don't vaccinate. Babies who were supposed to be vaccinated are falling victim and dying too. When will enough be enough for you people? What a shame it is to have come so far only to want to regress to the scary diseases of a bygone era.

Lucy - posted on 04/08/2014

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Ashley,

Mild childhood illnesses like Chicken Pox, Mumps etc don't make much money, 10 days treatment is nothing when compared to sales of drugs for lifelong vaccine-induced autoimmune diseases.

The real money for the pharmaceuticals is to start up lifelong autoimmune diseases with their vaccines such as Diabetes Type 1, MS etc, that means lifelong drugs. This is why vaccines are pushed so strongly, we are told one story as to why we need to be vaccinated, yet the pharmaceuticals are after their autoimmune diseases and the future lifelong drug sales.

Ashley - posted on 04/07/2014

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@Lucy--Someone below wrote this. I could not have said it better myself. Think about it!

"The idea that "Big Pharma" is behind vaccines and that we only encourage vaccinations to drive the economy is completely absurd. Wouldn't there be a lot more money in it for the pharmaceutical big wigs to withhold vaccinations and make a ton of money off of treating the thousands of sick kids. I mean, think of the hospital bills that could be jacked up when your kid is in there with polio. You can get free vaccinations for your kids if you can't afford it, or pay 30 bucks at a pharmacy but an ER trip and hospital stay to treat your preventable illness could rack up tens of thousands... Seems "The Man" could make a lot more money from the unvaccinated." -Andrea Tanner

Lucy - posted on 04/07/2014

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The Voices for Vaccine website is purely pharmaceutical propaganda; it's all been traced back to them, evidence below.

Voices for Vaccines: 11 Facts Show How it’s a Propaganda Ploy for Emory University, CDC, and Big Pharma

http://vactruth.com/2014/02/19/cdc-and-e...

There is lots of pharmaceutical propaganda around the Internet.

Lucy - posted on 04/07/2014

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Here are some excellent resources, to cut a long story short vaccines are an attempt to induce highly profitable autoimmune diseases and allergies, these are lifelong complications which leave the victim dependent on drugs for life, that means serious money for the pharmaceuticals. You are no use to them if you are healthy, they need you to have symptoms, symptoms which require treatment.

How do they get away with this? It's mainly through incredibly poor so-called 'Vaccine Safety' studies; they do not use real controls in their studies, only other vaccines i.e. no saline solutions to compare against, their idea of a control is another vaccine with Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Aborted Fetus etc, but just without the Virus. This is clearly junk science, then the 'Safety Study' goes on for at most a few days, yet autoimmune diseases from vaccines can take 2 months, 6 months or even 2 years to appear after a vaccine. So, that's how they get them through 'testing'. The next part of the scam is not tracking vaccine damage, they make almost no effort to track the harm the vaccines are doing, it's just voluntary reporting, and given how long vaccines take to cause disease very few will deduce that the vaccine caused their illness. It's estimated that at most 5% of vaccine damage is reported, but already $Billions have been paid out in compensation.

Now for the studies/resources/info:-

The more vaccines a first world nation give to their children, the worse the infant mortality rate. Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?..."These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...

Peer-reviewed study showing vaccines cause autoimmune disease

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

Award-Winning Documentary which examines both sides of the debate and allows experts to state their cases



History of Polio - Suzanne Humphries, MD, speaking on Polio at the Association of Natural Health Conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns

Vaccine Safety Conference - Anyone interested in the science side will want to watch these, a number of the world's top vaccine experts get together to discuss the dangers of vaccines; they have serious concerns about what's going on

http://vaccinesafetyconference.com/video...

The HiB vaccine is trigger the highly profitable autoimmune disease Diabetes Type 1. Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine -"We initiated and funded a collaborative study with Tuomilehto on the effect of the Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine on type 1 diabetes and found that the data support a causal relation (paper submitted for publication). Furthermore, the potential risk of the vaccine exceeds the potential benefit."

http://www.bmj.com/content/319/7217/1133...

Doctor Sherri Tenpenny is recognized as one of the world's top experts on vaccine safety, here she assesses the risks against the potential benefits of each vaccine in the childhood schedule

Dr. Tenpenny: Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices



This website is devoted to weighing up the risk against the benefit each vaccine

http://smartvax.com/

The former head of the CDC admitted in a televised interview that vaccines can trigger Autism.



The Former Chief of the UK Department of Health, Dr Peter Fletcher, blows the whistle on Vaccine/Autism Corruption

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

Lucy - posted on 04/07/2014

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It can seem surprising to those who haven't looked into how the system works, but vaccines are actually one of the biggest risks to your health, the risk of mild childhood illnesses is dwarfed when next to the risk of vaccines. Vaccines are about $'s, that is why they are there; first to take money for the vaccine and secondly to hook you up on drugs for life after the vaccine caused an autoimmune disease or allergy. I never would have suspected it, but after over a decade of reading through the studies and speaking to many researchers, doctors and industry whistleblowers this is the only conclusion you can possible be left with as to what's actually going on.

If you're interested in learning more about the risks and benefits of each vaccine in the schedule, Dr Sherri Tenpenny is one of the world's leading experts in vaccine safety, in this presentation she goes through all the common childhood vaccines and assesses the risk of the vaccine against the theoretical benefit.

Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdLMeULoujM

Ashley - posted on 04/06/2014

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To everyone who keeps saying that those of us who vaccinate our children should have no problem being around children who are not vaccinated... Vaccinations give us approximately 95% immunity to a disease. There is still a chance (even if it is very small--5% small) that a vaccinated person can catch a disease. So I obviously wouldn't want my vaccinated child to sit next to or be around a diseased non-vaccinated child. Tonya, I am talking to you--even vaccinated children have to worry. Please vaccinate your children!!!

Nancy - posted on 04/05/2014

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You don't have to google research or really go far to make a solid informed decision. Simply read every package insert, in it's entirety, then make your decision.
Oh and kids can go to school no matter what. It's a free country, one that we pay big taxes in!

Tonya - posted on 04/03/2014

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@Darla- making unvaccinated children wear t-shirts saying they're not vaccinated so you know who to avoid when the epidemic arrives, is completely absurd contradictory of what vaccinations are designed to do! If your child is vaccinated and sits next to unvaccinated Joe in class, you have nothing to worry about right? Vaccinations prevent your child from catching these diseases so why would you want your child to avoid little unvaccinated Joe? Lol smdh... Make them all wear a t shirt that says. " I'm not vaccinated.... ijs... Totally contradicts the reason you're so for vaccinating children. Why vaccinate if you think/believe your child could still contract a disease if he/she/they are vaccinated (protected right?) but is going to be playing with unvaccinated Joe.

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How do u enroll your child in school if he/she does not have record of immunization ? I'm pretty sure if u told the school your child doesn't have shot records because your child's never been vaccinated that they'd have social workers on your back & at your door that same day! I respect all choices.,I just don't know how you'd get your child enrolled into school due to the fact , in their eyes your child could potentially get other kids sick.

Leska - posted on 04/02/2014

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GOOGLING IS NOT A RESEARCH. So stop telling people to research about the problems vaccines make! You DONT know what you read or how credible the info is. You can read anything you want online. Vaccines stopped many deadly diseases and have been effective! Thats proven history and we dont need to google it. Everything esle is CRAP!

Sarah - posted on 03/27/2014

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These diseases are made out to be worse then they are.. ofcourse they used to kill, now as long as you have good sanitation, healthy food options, etc they dont! I had the measels as a child... it was nothing! Also had chickenpox and think i got whooping cough too. Its supposed to happen! I had flus that were worse... its only the very few with immune disorders that die from these things... and its natural.. the weak die and the storng survive. It sounds mean but the way this planet is headed its whats needed. We cant have everybody living forever. We are already having a hard time harvesting as fast as we eat. (YouTube) bill gates admits depopulation by vaccine.

Sarah - posted on 03/27/2014

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Google this
Study proves without a doubt that unvaccinated children are far healthier then their peers.
If you do a bit of research youll also see that the rates of athsma, diabetes, autism, allergies and more have a higher rate in highly vaccinated population (and also went up with the rates of vaccinatons)
I dont tell anyone not to vaccinate that is their choice.. however if your child has immune defiency I would highly recommend you do some serious research regarding vaccines before you vaccinate. The sheer amount of money they make from vaccines and the LACK OF ACTUAL STUDIES should be enough for most educated mothers to question vaccinations.
Most argue that theyre child will catch something because another is unvaccinated... but they state that vaccination builds up immunity to the disease/viruses in question so if you do believe vaccines actually work you should have absolutely no problem having your kids around others... in fact its the vaccinated kids who have the virus inside them to begin with. I would be more then happy for my child to catch measels etc because actually having it and getting over it is much more effective then vaccines will ever be.. and in this day and age these childgood diseases arent as serious as they once were when sanitation wasnt as good and we knew nothing about nutrition. As long as you are doing your part as a parent and feeding your children the right foods ensuring they get exercise and sunlight and they dont have an immune disorder then they will recover fine... however it has been foind that already vaccinated children dont have as good immmune systems as unvaccinated.
One should also consider that the same pharma companies that produce these vaccines and make trillions of dollars from them also fund medical journals, medical schools and universities and are the ones who educate the government and doctors about vaccines. Thank fully their are doctors out there who said "this doesnt look right" and have spent their own time unfunded researching the matter which is quite obvious because there are chunks of history that have been distorted by these pharma companies, theyve got everyone in their pocket and neither them nor the government will admit to the major f$#@/ ups they have created.
Frankly if you dont want to vaccinate your child fine, but if they work so damn well then get off other peoples backs.
Please search suzanne humphries if you truly care about your kid then youll do some research.

Would you inject 187.5 micrograms of ethyl murcury into your child? Thats what it adds up to by 6 months old.. it goes into the muscle and has the potential to cross the blood brain barrier.. this stays in the body for up to 30 years and is 125 times the safe dose.. think about it!! What about cow monkey or chicken dna? Does that sound healthy to you? To me, that sounds like the potential to change our dna as we know it not straight away but after generation after generation of having it pumped into us it very well has the potential to turn us into GMO's. Now if this is too scary for other mums to believe do the research... or just be blissfully igorant.. I honestly dont blame you.. there are times I wish I hadnt looked into it at all.

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OMG - these aren't mild illnesses. Educate yourselves ladies! This is another example of paranoia overtaking good sense. Frankly, if you aren't going to immunize your children, you should be willing to have them wear a tshirt that declares "I am not vaccinated" whenever they are around other kids. That way when the epidemic arrives, we know who to avoid.

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Marjie Scott,

It's not immunologists who are pushing vaccines, it's Big Pharma who make Billions of $'s from them (and even more from the lifelong complications), they are the ones who market them and lobby governments to put them in the schedule. The vaccine researchers who've spoken out have said they would not vaccinate their own children, they'd even leave the country if necessary.

Lucy - posted on 03/18/2014

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Marjie Scott, it's doctors and researchers who are the majority in the anti-vaccine movement by the way. Here's an example regarding MMR/Autism

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health said

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."
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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"
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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."
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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

Lucy - posted on 03/13/2014

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Andrea Tanner,

You've missed the point, vaccines cause lifelong diseases, these are far more profitable than a mild illness you have for 1 week. First Big Pharma make $Billions from the vaccines (they are expensive to buy you know), then they make even more from the lifelong complications which are caused leaving us dependent on drugs for life e.g. Diabetes Type 1, MS, Asthma, Epilepsy etc etc. Big Pharma don't care about making a small amount of money from selling you a Chicken Pox treatment for 10 days compared to giving you Diabetes Type 1 and leaving you dependent on their drugs for life, do the Math.

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To all of you who are so judgmental of mothers who decide to not vaccinate their children definitely need to do some research. I saw that a few people said we should thank the vaccinated children for keeping the non-vaccinated healthy. Just because you are vaccinated does NOT mean that you are not still carrying the disease. For example many people carry the flu but aren't sick but since they are still carrying the flu virus they could still potentially get somebody sick who isn't immune to the virus. When u get shots it supposed to make you immune to the virus if your exposed (hence the word immunizations) non vaccinated children are just as susceptible to being exposed to the virus as vaccinated children are. So if non vaccinated children are not getting these horrible diseases and virus makes me question if immunizations are even necessary. I also don't believe that its only because of conspiracy why mothers are choosing to not vaccinate their children. Many studies are being conducted in the relation to vaccines to the causes of autism among many other illnesses that there is no vaccines for which is enough to concern any mother. Maybe these vaccines are causing these problems in children but to blame it on the government is a whole different story I wont get into. Maybe it was unknown that these vaccines would cause other illness and disease in some children and maybe the people who enforce these vaccines want to spare the embarrassment and lawsuits if this is proven to be true. Just a thought but I totally understand why parents are questioning vaccines and I think all parents should. I myself am having a hard time making a decision whether to vaccinate my baby.

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The idea that "Big Pharma" is behind vaccines and that we only encourage vaccinations to drive the economy is completely absurd. Wouldn't there be a lot more money in it for the pharmaceutical big wigs to withhold vaccinations and make a ton of money off of treating the thousands of sick kids. I mean, think of the hospital bills that could be jacked up when your kid is in there with polio. You can get free vaccinations for your kids if you can't afford it, or pay 30 bucks at a pharmacy but an ER trip and hospital stay to treat your preventable illness could rack up tens of thousands... Seems "The Man" could make a lot more money from the unvaccinated.

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That's because they are lucky enough to be around children who were vaccinated!!!!!!!!

Guy - posted on 02/16/2014

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To all you parents who choose not to vaccinate your kids because you think there is a government conspiracy to give everybody vaccines to harm them, you should in fact be thanking the 99% of parents who DO vaccinate their kids, because if it wasn't for us who pretty much contain these deadly viruses for which we are vaccinated, your kids would likely get extremely ill, if not die from them. A hundred years ago people would die from these deadly viruses. So keep singing koombaya and tell yourself that you've made a good decision leaving your kids to be susceptable to these deadly viruses.

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Baby is 19 months old, is never sick, was and is still breastfed, knows her alphabet, can count to 20, sings songs like Somewhere over the Rainbow, and reacted terribly to her first vaccine at 2 months. We do not regret not vaccinating. Maybe one day we can give her some. But Chicken Pox?? Tetanus? Polio (or perhaps Guillain-Barre)?? How about eating healthy, breast-feeding, clean water and common sense. Terrible for the economy, of course, but good for human beings.

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Heather L "There are horror stories out there that don't always have this good of an ending"

Mostly from parents who got their baby vaccinated, the unvaccinated are known to be very healthy. It's only the pharmaceuticals who fearmonger us to take their jabs.

Heather L "you don't hear about them often because of the guilt and shame that parents feel knowing that their lack of educated research ultimately was a price their children had to pay.

Actually even the CDC admit that the ones who don't vaccinate are better educated, earn more money and have educated themselves on vaccines to a far higher level than those who do vaccinate. It's clear that the ones who do vaccinate simply trust the system, believe what they are told by an industry which is fueled by Trillions of $'s.

Heather L " I can tell you that you can find any article defending any opinion but actually researching and tearing apart invalid arguments will lead to the facts that vaccinations save lives."

That's just PR talk, the fact of the matter is that they have never done that study to find out if more lives are being saved or not, they refuse to do such a study, vaccines are based on belief and dogma. It was in reality improved sanitation and nutrition which improved childhood mortality. Studies show that the more vaccines a country gives the worse it's infant mortality rate.

Heather L " Go poll the doctors.. ask them if they vaccinated their own children"

The doctors I know do not vaccinate their own children, they only vaccinate in the surgery because they HAVE TO or they'll get STRUCK OFF.

Hearther L "the story of the premature baby who was too young for vaccinations and contracted whooping cough that they held while the child lay in misery"

That's the Whooping Cough vaccine that causes Crib Death, Japan found that Crib Death disappears without vaccines in the under 2's. Keep in mind that it's been admitted that the Whooping Cough vaccine spreads Whooping Cough and that the majority of people who catch Whooping Cough have already been vaccinated against it.

Heather L "I challenge you to take a course about how to dissect a research paper and look for skewed results"

Ever tried it yourself? The studies are so shockingly bad that it's an easy job. The first problem is that they don't use real controls in their studies, instead they use another vaccine to compare against. They never use a saline solution or an unvaccinated child, that is because the vaccine would never get through such a test, these tests are rigged from the start. A car is not safe because it kills as many as another car, nor is a vaccine safe because it kills and disables as many as another vaccine. This is junk science, that is clear.

Testing for 3 days after vaccination is not real testing, if the vaccine has caused MS or Diabetes Type 1 it will be at least 2 months until you know, and probably a lot longer. This will not show up in the test. Mid and long-term tests are almost non-existent. They refuse to study the unvaccinated so as we never learn how healthy they are. They refuse also to study the full vaccine schedule, they only study one vaccine at a time. They do not study vaccines with Tylenol / Paracetamol, yet they recommend it is given after vaccination. There is a study from the University of California showing that the majority of children who went Autistic after MMR had used Tylenol, but that the ones who used Ibuprofen did not go Autistic. It's been admitted that Tylenol stops vaccines from working in the first place, yet it is still recommended for use after vaccination. They don't really care about their Herd Immunity story, that is clear, only about selling more vaccines and Tylenol.

You believe that the studies are all as good as gold, yet 'The Danish Study' which is used to supposedly 'prove' that vaccines don't cause Autism was actually run by a criminal who is currently on the run for stealing millions of dollars, the data was changed part way through (out-patients were added), to make it appear as if removing Mercury from vaccines didn't reduce the number of Autistic children. The study is Fraudulent with a capital 'F'.

There is no good science backing up vaccines, the majority comes from Pharmaceuticals, these are corporations who have been fined for serious crimes, if they were people they would be locked in jail. They are the last people you would trust with your children. They want money, if they can make your child sick with an allergy or autoimmune disease, they leave your child on drugs for life (e.g. Diabetes Type 1) and they make a lot of money. That is the reality of what vaccines are being used for in 2014. Those who profit from disease want to spread it, for them that is success, that is how they get rich.

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