Has anyone regretted their decision not to vaccinate?

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This is not meant to be a debate about whether or not to vaccinate. I am just curious to see what everyone else's experience is, because it seems to me that there are plenty of parents out there who regret fully or partially vaccinating but I am yet to come across someone who has regretted not vaccinating.
Furthermore, it seems that those choosing not to vaccinate seem to be highly educated despite the media making them out to be stupid, ignorant and irresponsible. What is your experience?

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Marjie - posted on 11/06/2013

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My daughter is fully vaccinated according to the CDC schedule. She suffered no adverse reactions to the shots but a little redness and swelling that subsided after a day or two. She hardly ever gets sick and the few colds she has had have been very mild. So there's my anecdote. It's ultimately meaningless in this vaccine "debate" and if you don't know why, then you don't actually understand how science works. So, go vaccinate your kids.

Educated Father Of 1 Beautiful Little - posted on 06/12/2013

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LO was born in July of 2012. We opted out of vaccinating after intensive research and self-educating. To this day, (She'll be 1 yr old in 1 month and 7 days) She has never been sick once. Not one fever, not one ear infection, not one detrimental health issue, what so ever. She is fully breastfeed, which by human nature, gives entirely enough structure to build and form a proper immune system, without lab created poisons. We do not plan to vaccinate at all and are more than satisfied with this decision. I hope this helps some of the "on the fence" mothers and fathers and promotes personal education on this matter. Many of my close friends and families children are constantly in and out of hospice and doctor care at such a young age, and being formula feed around other sick children is not the only culprit for this.. Its the big pharmacy vaccines that are intentionally poisoning these children's immune system. I really hope this helps and answers your question. No regret what so ever.

Porter - posted on 09/30/2013

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Great topic!
I have 6 kids (30-14 yrs old) who were never vaccinated. For lot of reasons, of course, but mostly it didn't make sense to inject our tiny babies with toxins, the effects of which weren't fully understood. Partner and I felt very strongly that we had to work that much harder to maintain healthy, low-stress and happy lifestyle for the kids.
They are, without exception, the healthiest and most robust young people I know.
I've never been %100 confident about our decision, but I've never been sorry, either.
It isn't easy, either way.

Jacqui - posted on 05/22/2013

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I have a 13 year old who was last vaccinated at 4 years old, and a 9 year old who has severe autism who was last vaccinated at 2. Neither of my children have died or become ill with anything other than a cold since stopping. They used to get ear infections and I had to bring them to the pediatrician a lot back when we were vaccinating. I was on the other side of the debate thinking there were terrible non vaccinating parents in the world but then watched my children's health slowly decline and realized it was all due to the vaccines. I got informed and have never regretted my decision not to harm my children. I will also take my chances with "deadly" diseases rather than purposely give my kids chronic diseases that they will have to suffer with forever. I just wish I had been informed sooner, then maybe my child could speak a word or go to the bathroom on the potty or have a bowel movement without a colonic.

Lucy - posted on 04/11/2013

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I know many who now regret vaccinating, but I've never heard it the other way around.

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Lucy - posted on 10/23/2014

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Ashley,

You are right, there are people who will profit greatly from Ebola, there'll be a lot of taxpayers money diverted towards it, some people will be rubbing their hands together. It would have been very easy to stop it in it's tracks at the start using isolation, the same way as Small Pox was eventually eradicated.

In Africa Ebola is so much worse than it would be in the First World, this is because victims have often had to walk for miles to their nearest hospital and are dehydrated. If Ebola does ever arrive on US shores and anyone here ever is unlucky enough to catch it the best tips are to keep yourself well-hydrated and to take high-dose Vitamin C i.e. it's antiviral. Avoid immune system suppressants such as Tylenol / Paracetamol.

The Ebola vaccine will no doubt be incredibly dangerous, especially because it will come from the usual suspects with their reputation of inducing highly profitable autoimmune diseases via vaccine. It will also be relatively untested and rushed to market (like the Swine Flu jab)

Ashbert13 - posted on 10/17/2014

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Hey Lucy, do you think the ebola here is another opportunity for big pharma to score big time? You must think they are really cashing in now! The thought struck me, and I just had to come back in and ask if your conspiracy theories cover that area too.

Lucy - posted on 08/18/2014

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K,

Using you and your husband as a study gives a sample size of 2, this is not statistically significant, your study does not show that vaccines are safe, effective or necessary.

In fact the flu vaccine is one of the worst, it doesn't normally even work and when it does it's often for a different strain. The best ways to keep a strong immune system are through healthy eating, exercise, Sunlight and by avoiding immune system suppressants such as Tylenol (Paracetamol) and Ibuprofen.

Unfortunately good health doesn't come through a needle, but Aluminum does, and it gets stuck in the brain, it's a neurotoxin.

When the internationally renowned, independent and not for profit Cochrane Collaboration reviewed the studies which the pharmaceuticals use to backup their push for flu vaccination, here's what they found (i.e. it's a pack of lies and junk science) :-

"Cochrane Collaboration: Flu Vaccines of No Benefit "

“…industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies…”

“…reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin…”

“…there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions…”

http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/876...

Lucy - posted on 08/18/2014

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Hope Momtes,

Back then the US was using the live Polio vaccine which was actually causing Polio, even Jonas Salk himself testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks were caused by the Oral Polio Vaccine.

K - posted on 08/11/2014

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I do not have children, but I can tell you that I've always had the flu vaccination while my husband never has. This past flu season he caught the flu and it completely debilitated him for over a week. He lived on the floor of the bathroom and missed almost two weeks of work. The severity of his sickness is typical of someone who has never received the shots/nasal sprays. I was able to care for him in very close contact and not catch it. Modern vaccines compound on each other to create immunity to current and past strains. I've built up an incredible tolerance over the years. He admitted his mistake and swears to be vaccinated annually from now on.

Hope - posted on 08/09/2014

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OH Lucy. Its people with ridiculous comments like yours that do more for the provaccime movement than I ever could. My grandma was crippled by polio and one of her siblings died. They were both breastfed and both had their tonsils.

Lucy - posted on 06/27/2014

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Clarissa,

That's a pharmaceutical propaganda website, notice the name Paul Offit, his nickname Is Paul 'Profit' Offit because he's made over $20 million from his vaccine patent. The man has a huge conflict of interest, everything he says will be pro-vaccine, he's regularly caught trying to cover-up the known risks of vaccination. He even says that it's safe to have 10,000 vaccines in one go, yet he is unwilling to perform a self-demonstration. Paul Offit is the car salesman of vaccines.

Clarissa - posted on 06/26/2014

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The crazy comment linking polio and HIV? Um, NO. Of course, when you're a conspiracy theorist, thinking big pharma is out to get us all, you'll pretty much believe anything, and won't accept the information coming from people who went to medical school.
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content...

Lucy - posted on 06/19/2014

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User,

There's a miniscule number of people left paralyzed by Polio, but that Polio is being spread by the Oral Polio Vaccine, it's a synthetic form of Polio created in a laboratory. The vaccine needs to be banned!

You say that having Chicken Pox doesn't give you immunity to Shingles, but keep in mind that since Chicken Pox vaccination first began the rate of Shingles has increased hugely, Shingles was normally only an issue with people who were already weak in one way or another, whereas since the vaccine started we're seeing cases of Shingles rising including in perfectly healthy people. So once again we see that trying to play Mother Nature generally doesn't end well.

The Chicken Pox vaccine has killed people and left others disabled, it is not saving lives, it was only ever produced for the immunocompromised which if done correctly could have theoretically been a good thing, but then Big Pharma saw $-signs in their eyes and rolled it out for everyone.

As you can see when we follow through the science and background it's simple to debunk each of the vaccines in the schedule.

User - posted on 06/18/2014

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I don't think the people crippled by Polio would consider it harmless! Having Chicken Pox does not give immunity to Shingles which can be very serious. Don't tell me it's not. I had it. You seem to downplay everything! Anything can be serious with complications. Elderly people and children are especially at risk. Maybe you think that is no big deal as well. You can post whatever you want, but you won't convince me that being sick is better than being well. I agree that having colds is good to build immunity, but not these other diseases. Please don't tell me that Shingles is no big deal or I will post you the photos to prove otherwise. I'm only in my forties and have had it.

Lucy - posted on 06/16/2014

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User,

Polio is a complex story (this doctor explains it all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns ) the majority of people who catch it don't even know they've got it. Most of the small number of people with complications actually fully recover. It is a disease which is spread due to poor sanitation, there were two key factors which turn this normally harmless and unnoticeable childhood illness into one which could on rare occasions be harmful; 1. Not breastfeeding babies, 2. Removing tonsils (tonsils contain Polio antibodies).

The history of the Polio vaccine is a scary one, even the recent history. The former Merck Vaccine Chief admitted that it was contaminated with HIV, that's how HIV was spread around Africa, the Polio vaccine was also found to be contaminated with the SV40 virus, that's the cause of the Cancer known as Non Hodgkin Lymphoma. The Cancer did not exist before that vaccine, SV40 is found is Non Hodgkin tumors.

Even in recent times we've seen serious consequences from Polio vaccine programs, with the vaccine spreading a type of Polio twice as deadly as Polio around India. Researchers have begged for the pharmaceuticals to stop pushing a live virus vaccine; the vaccines are actually the main cause of Polio in the world.

You really have nothing to worry about with Polio unless you're sitting next to someone who's just been vaccinated against it with a live vaccine and you have no tonsils and weren't breastfed, even then it would there would still need to be a sanitation issue as Polio is spread via faeces.

Lucy - posted on 06/16/2014

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User,

Chicken Pox is really not something to be worried about, the only risk of Chicken Pox is if you take Ibuprofen or Aspirin at the same time in which case it can kill you, the worrying thing is that many doctors don't know this, so once again we see that it's actually the incompetence of the pharmaceuticals and the medical profession which is making a normally harmless childhood disease into a dangerous one.

The Chicken Pox vaccine is a live vaccine which can cause and spread the disease itself, the vaccine doesn't always leave you immune to Chicken Pox, on the occasions when it does the immunity will expire after a number of years.

Best to just catch this harmless childhood disease and leave yourself with lifelong immunity, avoid Ibuprofen and Aspirin and all will be well. No dangerous vaccines required.

User - posted on 06/14/2014

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Oh and one one more comment from me...people who say that children get diseases because their parents feed them processed foods must be oblivious to the fact that people got sick and even died back before preservatives, etc were ever used! My mother grew up with the fear of Polio. It was very scary. They grew their own vegetables and killed their own chickens. When the vaccination for Polio became available they were very grateful to have it.

User - posted on 06/14/2014

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Whatever. These diseases are coming back here in the US. I vaccinate my children to protect them from the children who aren't. I had chicken pox as a child but don't remember, but my mom says it was awful. I have just had Shingles and I can say it was disgusting and painful. I have scars now from both illnesses. My children are vaccinated and won't have to go through what I did with Chicken Pox or Shingles!

ANDREA - posted on 06/11/2014

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sorry, that was probably innappropriate. Lucy is speaking from the heart and with accurate information regarding vaccination. I have not been vaccinated, and neither has my son. I have zero regrets! My son was born in the 25 % with a birth defect that required 3 surgeries in the first 3 months of his life to correct. He is now in the 100%, and is rarely sick. I was told he would have constipation issues as a result and would probaby have to go on medication for it. He as not had any problems. I see so many children his age with repeated ear infections, strep thoat, high fevers post vaccinations. Toddlers who are prescribed laxatives to go to the bathroom. Why is this? vaccinations erode their gut flora for one thing, amonst many others. I am fully elated about my choices. Just look around and see how heathy the children are that are lucky enough to not be innocuated!

just google children not vaccinated health, and read the countless stories.... here is a good one!

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom...

Lucy - posted on 06/07/2014

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Bukola,

Debate is good, science is good, let's not be afraid of what we're doing here or try to shut anyone out, this is an interesting discussion and it's the reason forums like this exist.

Bukola - posted on 06/07/2014

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You guys need to stop replying Lucy, and I think I kind of know that she is hell bent on her mission and I stopped posing not because she convinced me but because I see there is not point arguing with her. We are fine here with the vaccines so good luck to your cause

Lucy - posted on 06/06/2014

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User,

You mention the Hib and Whooping Cough vaccines; the Hib vaccine is the main cause of Diabetes Type 1, so it's clearly doing more harm than theoretical good, as for the Whooping Cough vaccine that's the main cause of Asthma (people die of Asthma every day) and sole cause of Crib Death. Keep in that recent outbreaks of Whooping Cough have been mainly in people who have been vaccinated against Whooping Cough.

The only ones who benefit from vaccine injuries such as Asthma and Whooping Cough are the pharmaceuticals, their profits start to look rather good once the vaccine injuries leave us dependent on drugs for life; that gives them a gross conflict of interest, keep in mind it is only them who 'investigate' the safety of their products.

We need to stop worrying about mild childhood disease and focus on being healthy e.g. breastfeeding our babies, feeding them fruit and veg, not giving them processed foods, bring them up on drinking water. Good health doesn't come through a needle.

User - posted on 06/05/2014

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My son has had Hib and whooping cough. He has had all his vaccines. Vaccines can prevent illnesses or lessen the severity of illness. My son is very athletic and strong, but when he gets sick it becomes serious quickly. Because parents are not vaccinating their children, both Hib and whooping cough returned. When everyone is vaccinated, children who have a more difficult time fighting infections are better protected. His vaccine lessens the severity when he is ill and his piers' vaccines prevent widespread outbreaks.

My son was protected by his vaccinations and recovered. It was a long frightening battle. Yes, he contracted H1N1 too. He just ran a half marathon and graduated from college.

We both get flu shots. A few years ago the flu hit Boston hard. People died. I did get the flu. My doctor asked me to imagine not having the protection of the vaccine. I would have been hit head on by the full force of the illness. Instead, I was home, sick in my bed.

People respond to illness differently. Our immune systems are different and added illnesses like asthma complicate our health.

I am thankful everyday that we were vaccinated. I hope and pray other mothers will not go through the same experience.

MsMolly - posted on 05/30/2014

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Hi, I'm new here. I hope you are still looking for answers to this question:)
I have a 22 year old, a 5 year old and a 3 year old :) Very proud of them all, love them dearly. My 22 year old son was fully vaccinated - that is what I was told to do and there was no internet at that time to know differently. He reacted badly, collapsed in my arms, went limp… he suffered learning and behavioural problems as he grew. He is now a young man, totally disconnected emotionally, he has Aspergers, and I recall the day he suddenly stopped 'looking' at me. I questioned my doctor about the link between the vaccine and why my baby had stopped looking at me, way back then… but my concerns were dismissed. He had once been a very bright, connected little baby, it breaks my heart and always will. Neither my 5 year old or 3 year old are vaccinated - they are beautifully healthy, extremely connected, very bright, they are excelling in all areas of learning, they have no allergies, no behavioural problems. They look at me, they are connected. So to answer your question…. no, I do not regret for one second 'not vaccinating' my two youngest, however I deeply regret every single day of my life, vaccinating my oldest son.

Lucy - posted on 05/21/2014

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Bukola,

In the Third World childhood diseases are more serious, this is due to poor sanitation and malnutrition. There is one vaccine which can be justified in Africa, that is a single Measles vaccine, this has been shown to improve infant mortality. Measles is only a problem in those deficient in Vitamin A, in the well-nourished First World Measles is perfectly safe, if someone has a dietary deficiency provide them with Vitamin A, all is fine.

Many people in Africa will be confused, they will see people go down with Polio and HIV, they think they need help from the West, they don't realize that both the HIV and the Polio came from vaccines. What you need in Africa is not vaccines (apart from single Measles), you need improved sanitation, more food, that is why people are dying from childhood illnesses. Vaccines are not a solution as it is not safe to vaccinate someone who is malnourished, and as has been said before the corporations who make the vaccines have huge conflicts of interest and dirty reputations, so vaccines cannot be trusted at this point in time (unless there's a complete overhaul of the system).

It's been shown that in Africa the Tetanus vaccine actually reduces life expectancy, this is a classic illustration of why we cannot blindly believe in every vaccine, we need to look at the bigger picture, vaccines cannot be a religion (based on belief), use of vaccines has to be based on real science and hard data; assumptions are not good enough.

Lucy - posted on 05/21/2014

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Rebecca,

Childhood illnesses are perfectly natural and if you are healthy and well-nourished then it is vaccines which are by far a bigger risk. I had Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox, Whopping Cough, so did all my brothers and sisters, we didn't used to worry about these things back then, they were just seen as part of growing up.

Many people are being damaged by vaccines and it's generally profitable diseases which are being induced by the vaccines e.g. Diabetes Type 1, Asthma and MS. This give the pharmaceuticals a huge conflict of interest; vaccine damage is actually a bonus for their bank balance, especially as they do not have to legally pay compensation for harm caused. Until these goal-posts are moved and unless the so-called science being used to back-up vaccines is improved; vaccines are simply not worth the risk.

Nobody here would allow their child to go on a rollercoaster ride with a 1 in 50 chance of inducing lifelong autoimmune disorder, so educated and informed parents will certainly not be risking their children to the disease lottery of vaccination.

Bukola - posted on 05/21/2014

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Lucy,
I am not saying that the west cares anything for us at all, in fact i think they always want something in return when they are professing to help you that aside, you are hell bent on making vaccines as evil as possible. you will be surprised that we are not as helpless as we are portrayed in the news and a lot of people here are actually more informed than most of u are, not trying to insult anyone.
Am not talking about facts or anything am just talking about evidence, we see the patients and we see the statistics of who its benefits and who it doesn't.
What exactly do you do, have u been to Africa before, seen these diseases before and treated these patients. A ll i see is you giving a lot of facts and figures about stuff. Maybe try to experience it if you are not.
When we watch these your arguments from here we all come to one conclusion: You Guys have are full, no hunger, no worries, so you create problems, its like you are all bored or something.

We would give anything to be a preventable disease free country, if you guys want it then its your choice.

Rebecca - posted on 05/21/2014

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Thank you for your perspective! Too many of we Americans have no understanding that common childhood illnesses we have eradicated here are gone PRECISELY because we immunized against them. Thank you for reminding us of the bigger, world-wide picture.

Lucy - posted on 05/21/2014

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Bukola,

In the West more people are realizing that the multinational corporations are simply after money; the pharmaceuticals make more money when we are sick. They spread propaganda to make themselves sound like the saviors, that is because they need to you to accept their jabs, they need you to trust in them. Keep in mind that HIV is in Africa due to a contaminated vaccine (as admitted by the former Merck Vaccine Chief), UNICEF have been caught sterilizing with vaccines in Africa, Africa is also used as a testing ground for new drugs and vaccines as if there is a problem it is a lot easier to keep out of the international news.

You mention Polio, I'd recommend looking into the history of Polio as you'll find that Polio was renamed to make the vaccine look a success. In fact the Polio vaccine spreads a type of Polio twice as deadly as normal Polio. Vaccines have not eradicated any disease, some people have been misled to believe that Small Pox was eradicated because of vaccines, actually that is not true, it was only quarantine which eventually eradicated Small Pox.

Unfortunately the rather sad reality is that in 2014 vaccines are being used to spread/induce disease and thereby increase pharmaceutical profits. The people who rule the West do not care for you as much as you think they do, they are not nice, kind or caring; they are quite the opposite. The marketing you see is simply propaganda.

Bukola - posted on 05/21/2014

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I am a doctor in Nigeria and when i read through this post i realized something that you western countries are just to full of it, am sorry to say. do u know the reason why you don't have must of this infections in your countries, or why they are not very fatal because you were all vaccinated in the first place, am sure a lot of you have never seen a child with polio before. You are in the list of polio free countries because someone those years and years ago thought you all should be vaccinated. we are still fighting with polio here because some areas cant get the vaccine or are not readily available to a lot.
With the availability of the vaccine esp in our cities, we all immunize our children here, all of us, even in the small villages people painstakingly make sure they get their children immunize. Am not saying there is no autism here but not seen one related to vaccine yet. Th e worst i have seen is fever and that usually with DPT. Vaccination is not an option in this part of the world it is a norm and we are fine with it.

You all over-think everything and probably because u have too much. Look at the facts a lot of you have not seen most of the diseases before, i have seen a lot of it, n why do u think you haven't, a doctor friend of mine in the US said she has not seen measles rashes before except in the text book which made me laugh, even now its reducing in our cities more and more because we don't compromise on vaccination. NOW THAT MOST OF THESE DISEASES HAVE BEEN REDUCED AND ERADICATED BY VACCINE THEY ARE SUDDENLY EVIL.
Wont it be ironic to see you western countries start having all these diseases you were free of and us third world countries be free of it.

Amy - posted on 05/20/2014

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How are you trying to tell her what doctors from HER country say ... No offense but I think she may know better than you what they say.

Amy - posted on 05/20/2014

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I love how she clearly wrote "not meant to be a debate" and asked if anyone has regretted not vaccinating. She didn't ask if your happy you vaccinated or if your happy you didn't vaccinate , she asked if anyone didn't get their child vaccinated and regretted it .

Lucy - posted on 05/19/2014

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This is very sad, but it's an important issue so let's look at some reasons why parents strongly regret vaccinating their children

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVOtvvvIV0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG2fXNg7j88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMh5EaeLFMU

Michele - posted on 05/07/2014

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Adding to my previous post: The CDC and HRSA have a vested interest in burying any evidence of vaccine injuries so they would be the last groups that I would expect to publish ANY admission of a link between vaccines and injuries. But since the CDC and HRSA do admit to actual vaccine injuries (even though they try very hard to discourage plaintiffs in court and to keep judgments for the plaintiffs to a minimum) as well as the potential for injury, I'm not sure what other evidence is even needed. Believe all of the "scientific evidence" that you want to that claims that vaccines are safe, but the CDC and HRSA disagree with you.

Michele - posted on 05/07/2014

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Ashley - you can believe whatever you want and vaccinate if you choose, but it's obvious you didn't even look at Lucy's information. 2-3 of the links she posted ARE peer-reviewed, primary, scientific studies. You lose credibility when you rant the way you have and attempt to discredit another person's sources without even looking at them.

The CDC and HRSA websites admit that vaccines are linked to injuries, in both children and adults. There have been over 3500 compensated cases of vaccine injuries since the vaccine injury court was established. Some cases involve autism, and the plaintiffs in those cases have been awarded, in addition to pain and suffering and medical expenses, compensation in the form of trusts established to provide for the ongoing care of those injured.

Lucy - I'm on your side. But I have to say that I agree with Ashley that your frequent repetition of the same information is annoying. I understand your motivation, but you can't drown those you hope to convince with bushels of information that is often the same information just a couple of posts back. In this case, I think less would be more.

PS -- I apologize if this ends up being a duplicate post. The first one appears to have disappeared.

Reneepupetz - posted on 05/04/2014

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My son had a bad reaction to his 4 month vaccine.He was just starting to babble etc..I was for vaccinating him.He was completely immobile for 10 days and just cried with no way to comfort.My husband and I were afraid.WE knew it was the vaccine (the DTap).He was fine before it and completely changed about an hour after getting the 'needle'.He was diagnosed with autism about a year later but we knew a few weeks after the vax .I stopped vaccinating after that 4 month period.He is more verbal now but still has issues.I have been bullied by doctors in emergency units etc.I am well educated and my husband and I did not make the decision to discontinue vaccinations lightly.We did our research and felt more at ease with our decision.LIfe is a risk but to assume Autism or other auto immune diseases are not as 'valid' as a disability as the measles is incredibly closed minded as disregards real situations that parents have to go though.Please be open minded and hope you never have to make that decision.

Lucy - posted on 04/30/2014

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To move away from a belief system can be difficult for some, so to help them we have to keep chipping away (never give up) by showing them studies and making them realize the fact that it's the world's top doctors and researchers who are warning against vaccination.

For those who want are interested in approaching vaccines from the science angle here are some useful studies and links below:-

The more vaccines a first world nation give to their children, the worse the infant mortality rate. Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?..."These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...

Peer-reviewed study showing vaccines cause autoimmune disease

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...

"Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host's immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system's self-organized criticality."

Award-Winning Documentary which examines both sides of the debate and allows experts to state their cases

http://youtu.be/s5fg0MJqxIM?t=17m55s

History of Polio - Suzanne Humphries, MD, speaking on Polio at the Association of Natural Health Conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twch-T-n8Ns

Vaccine Safety Conference - Anyone interested in the science side will want to watch these, a number of the world's top vaccine experts get together to discuss the dangers of vaccines; they have serious concerns about what's going on

http://vaccinesafetyconference.com/video...

The HiB vaccine is trigger the highly profitable autoimmune disease Diabetes Type 1. Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine -"We initiated and funded a collaborative study with Tuomilehto on the effect of the Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine on type 1 diabetes and found that the data support a causal relation (paper submitted for publication). Furthermore, the potential risk of the vaccine exceeds the potential benefit."

http://www.bmj.com/content/319/7217/1133...

Doctor Sherri Tenpenny is recognized as one of the world's top experts on vaccine safety, here she assesses the risks against the potential benefits of each vaccine in the childhood schedule

Dr. Tenpenny: Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices



This website is devoted to weighing up the risk against the benefit each vaccine

http://smartvax.com/

The former head of the CDC admitted in a televised interview that vaccines can trigger Autism.



The Former Chief of the UK Department of Health, Dr Peter Fletcher, blows the whistle on Vaccine/Autism Corruption

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

Lucy - posted on 04/30/2014

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The below is an all too common story

Confessions of a Mama who Regrets Vaccinating

http://guggiedaly.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01...

"Even her pediatrician said that getting vaccines when you have a moderately low white blood cell count is like playing Russian roulette. We were soooooo very lucky. But her body HAD been trying to tell us something. That blazing hot, swollen leg. Oh yes – it was my baby’s way of communicating. I was too stupid to listen."

Lucy - posted on 04/30/2014

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Ashley,

The best tip I can give you is to stick to the science, the fact you are completely ignoring the scientific points I've posted is very telling. I've been pointing out that vaccine science is junk science, I've completely backed that up, even Harvard Brittany realized that she could not debate those points without lying so she felt she had no option other than to delete her account.

When you go around forums you will regularly read the stories of the sad Mothers of children who have been left disabled from vaccines, they absolutely regret vaccinating them 100%, you will rarely hear it the other way around, though there's an odd propaganda article where the parent has been misled.

Lucy - posted on 04/28/2014

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Ashley,

As I've said, let's stick on topic, this is Alternative Birth & Mothering so don't think that only pro-vaccine people are allowed to comment. Stop with the personal attacks or you'll get yourself reported; that's not what the rest of us come here for.

So, back on topic, the other day we had someone who called themselves an 'expert' join, but when presented with the following science they refused to respond and promptly deleted their account. If anyone is interested in the science here are the concerns which the pro-vaccine side are finding it difficult to counter.

1. Not using real controls in safety studies, instead only comparing with another vaccine; this only compares which vaccine of the two is more/less risky, but not if a vaccine is safe compared to no vaccine or compared to a saline solution.

2. Short-term safety studies - if we only test a vaccine for a few days, we have no idea if an autoimmune disease or allergy will appear in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years, for example when a vaccine induces MS it takes at least 2 months to appear.

3. Conflicts of interest - The majority of studies are coming from the pharmaceuticals and from those who are funded by them, there is little independent science on vaccines. It's also a huge problem that if vaccines go wrong and create a lifelong complication such as Diabetes Type 1 then the Pharmaceuticals go on to profit from this. Such goal-posts need to be moved, the only way this can work is for the pharmaceuticals to profit per healthy individual, not per diseased individual.

4. Not studying unvaccinated people - They keep refusing to study unvaccinated people, there are many unvaccinated individuals out there, but Pharma don't want to study them. Surely if they knew that unvaccinated were so unhealthy they would jump right onto that study and use it to increase sales, but they don't, they are desperate to avoid it.

5. Not studying how long vaccines stay effective for - Just because antibodies are initially induced, doesn't mean they'll still be there 10 years down the line, by which point it can be a lot more dangerous to get the disease than if you had had it as a child.

6. Recommending Tylenol / Paracetamol for use with vaccines but not studying it in the efficacy tests. In fact it's known that it reduces effectiveness of vaccines, yet we hear that Pharma care so much about herd immunity, but clearly by recommending Tylenol for post-vaccination fever they don't, as it regularly stops vaccines from working. Also they don't use Tylenol in the safety studies, a study from the University of California found a correlation between those who used Tylenol around the time of their MMR vaccine and those who regressed into Autism soon after MMR.

7. Not using immune-compromised individuals in vaccine studies - We are told that they need the vaccines first, yet only healthy people are used in the studies, again we see that this is not science but assumption; it's far too much about leaping to conclusions. How do we even know if vaccines are working or safe on the immune-compromised if the studies are never done.

8. Efficacy studies look for new antibodies, but antibodies do not guarantee immunity at the cellular level, hence why so many people with vaccine-induced antibodies still go down with the illness they've been vaccinated against. We need to stop assuming that vaccination is immunization.

Ashbert13 - posted on 04/27/2014

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Lucy, you have not challenged my beliefs, but you are spamming this thread, and people can't get down to the actual opinions of moms who want to have their say without having to scroll down for pages. Please go take a class on how to find reliable methods in finding reliable and verifiable research. I would suggest research methods. Also, does anyone know how to to report someone for spamming?

Lucy - posted on 04/27/2014

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I can understand you feeling emotional Ashley as you're having your deep beliefs and world view challenged, however we need to stay evidence-based, we must keep the discussion scientific. Unfortunately as you've been seeing vaccines are not backed up by real science, the science has been completely debunked below; vaccine science is junk science. Unless the studies are ever done then vaccines are purely based on belief, not science, therefore believing in vaccines is more like a religious belief rather than a scientific one.

Ashbert13 - posted on 04/26/2014

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Lucy, I officially have come to the conclusion that you are a troll hell bent on furthering your radical right wing agenda here. You typically never come up with new things to say. You don't acknowledge what anyone else has to say on this issue including doctors, nurses, scientists acknowledged by the scientific community, etc. I actually think your short term goal is just to post as many posts as you can to bury everyone else's under a pile of rubbish. Your posts are not only supporting junk science, they are repetetive and are cluttering up this feed. In some you actually write the same message verbatim with the same links. Can I report you? You are spamming this thread, and it is beyond obnoxious.

Lucy - posted on 04/26/2014

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Brittany,

The long-term health of our children is at stake, that's why it's worth being fanatical about ensuring the science backing up the push for vaccination is up to scratch. As has been pointed out vaccine science is extremely weak with many black holes; vaccines are effectively shots in the dark.

Unless governments take it upon themselves to improve vaccine science then we are all taking a huge risk by vaccinating our children. For now every parent has to educate themselves, as it's clear that nobody else is taking responsibility for the health of our children, and we cannot listen to the pharmaceuticals as they are the ones who profit when our children have autoimmune diseases and allergies which vaccines have been shown to cause.

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Thanks again Lucy, but if you are seeking a debate with matching fanaticism, sorry to disappoint, as this is not my nature or interest. Interpret my refusal to engage as you will. I will not be participating any further...

Lucy - posted on 04/24/2014

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Brittany,

You have completely sidestepped all the issues raised regarding the weaknesses of vaccine science. Surely if you could have debated the issues which were raised then you would. You cannot simply gloss over these issues and say that somebody else has answered them, if you knew they had a strong answer you would have repeated it. It's clear that you are deliberately avoiding these problems and hoping they will go away. As a reminder here again are the serious limitations of vaccine science:-

1. Not using real controls in safety studies, instead only comparing with another vaccine; this only compares which vaccine of the two is more/less risky, but not if a vaccine is safe compared to no vaccine or compared to a saline solution.

2. Short-term safety studies - if we only test a vaccine for a few days, we have no idea if an autoimmune disease or allergy will appear in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years, for example when a vaccine induces MS it takes at least 2 months to appear.

3. Conflicts of interest - The majority of studies are coming from the pharmaceuticals and from those who are funded by them, there is little independent science on vaccines. It's also a huge problem that if vaccines go wrong and create a lifelong complication such as Diabetes Type 1 then the Pharmaceuticals go on to profit from this. Such goal-posts need to be moved, the only way this can work is for the pharmaceuticals to profit per healthy individual, not per diseased individual.

4. Not studying unvaccinated people - They keep refusing to study unvaccinated people, there are many unvaccinated individuals out there, but Pharma don't want to study them. Surely if they knew that unvaccinated were so unhealthy they would jump right onto that study and use it to increase sales, but they don't, they are desperate to avoid it.

5. Not studying how long vaccines stay effective for - Just because antibodies are initially induced, doesn't mean they'll still be there 10 years down the line, by which point it can be a lot more dangerous to get the disease than if you had had it as a child.

6. Recommending Tylenol / Paracetamol for use with vaccines but not studying it in the efficacy tests. In fact it's known that it reduces effectiveness of vaccines, yet we hear that Pharma care so much about herd immunity, but clearly by recommending Tylenol for post-vaccination fever they don't, as it regularly stops vaccines from working. Also they don't use Tylenol in the safety studies, a study from the University of California found a correlation between those who used Tylenol around the time of their MMR vaccine and those who regressed into Autism soon after MMR.

7. Not using immune-compromised individuals in vaccine studies - We are told that they need the vaccines first, yet only healthy people are used in the studies, again we see that this is not science but assumption; it's far too much about leaping to conclusions. How do we even know if vaccines are working or safe on the immune-compromised if the studies are never done.

8. Efficacy studies look for new antibodies, but antibodies do not guarantee immunity at the cellular level, hence why so many people with vaccine-induced antibodies still go down with the illness they've been vaccinated against. We need to stop assuming that vaccination is immunization.

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Lucy, thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts and response to my question, "How do you define junk science?" Do you have any original research or publications or are your thoughts a synthesis of the work of others? The reason I ask, Google returns a series of repeating sentiments very similar to yours echoed across the internet and the sources you cited, as well as equal amounts of information directly contradicting your points.

I initially engaged in this post to hear from other moms who find it confusing to sort through all the conflicting information out there. For me (a doctor and public health scholar, many even refer to me as "expert") I just want to let you know that I was a bit offended by your blanket statements about "experts," that we are all only in this for our own personal financial gain, among other things said. My motivation is my daughter, the biggest blessing in my life.

To answer the original question from this thread, I have no regrets in vaccinating my daughter. I feel confident in my training and scientific literacy, but many mothers acknowledge that this is not their area of expertise and are looking for assistance; we are trying to find ways to support one another in producing the best and most accurate information available. Negative stereotyping and broad disregard for expertise comes across as spiteful, not helpful. If you have had unfortunate encounters with experts, those experiences are very important to share so that we can minimize negative outcomes, but perhaps cite your individual experiences rather than lumping us into a single homogenous description.

I thank you again for expressing your concerns, and I'm sure you did not mean to offend me personally, but in the future, please use caution before you select such hurtful language to describe people like me. Many many "experts" you unfairly labeled are also parents who love our children and want the best for them too; you are correct in that we are absolutely seeking personal gain, but not for the reasons you described.

I appreciate your passion, and I think you and I are actually on the same side, the side of our kids' health. As parents, we all need to continue to work together in positive ways to ensure that in an age of information overload where anyone can publish anything on the web, we do not lose sight of our common goal for accuracy. In the end, we all want the same thing, don't we? For our beautiful children to be healthy, happy, and to grow up to fulfill their greatest potential.

Lucy - posted on 04/19/2014

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Brittany,

Some examples of what makes vaccine science junk science:-

1. Not using real controls in safety studies, instead only comparing with another vaccine; this only compares which vaccine of the two is more/less risky, but not if a vaccine is safe compared to no vaccine or compared to a saline solution.

2. Short-term safety studies - if we only test a vaccine for a few days, we have no idea if an autoimmune disease or allergy will appear in 6 months, 2 years or 5 years, for example when a vaccine induces MS it takes at least 2 months to appear.

3. Conflicts of interest - The majority of studies are coming from the pharmaceuticals and from those who are funded by them, there is little independent science on vaccines. It's also a huge problem that if vaccines go wrong and create a lifelong complication such as Diabetes Type 1 then the Pharmaceuticals go on to profit from this. Such goal-posts need to be moved, the only way this can work is for the pharmaceuticals to profit per healthy individual, not per diseased individual.

4. Not studying unvaccinated people - They keep refusing to study unvaccinated people, there are many unvaccinated individuals out there, but Pharma don't want to study them. Surely if they knew that unvaccinated were so unhealthy they would jump right onto that study and use it to increase sales, but they don't, they are desperate to avoid it.

5. Not studying how long vaccines stay effective for - Just because antibodies are initially induced, doesn't mean they'll still be there 10 years down the line, by which point it can be a lot more dangerous to get the disease than if you had had it as a child.

6. Recommending Tylenol / Paracetamol for use with vaccines but not studying it in the efficacy tests. In fact it's known that it reduces effectiveness of vaccines, yet we hear that Pharma care so much about herd immunity, but clearly by recommending Tylenol for post-vaccination fever they don't, as it regularly stops vaccines from working. Also they don't use Tylenol in the safety studies, a study from the University of California found a correlation between those who used Tylenol around the time of their MMR vaccine and those who regressed into Autism soon after MMR.

7. Not using immune-compromised individuals in vaccine studies - We are told that they need the vaccines first, yet only healthy people are used in the studies, again we see that this is not science but assumption; it's far too much about leaping to conclusions. How do we even know if vaccines are working or safe on the immune-compromised if the studies are never done.

8. Efficacy studies look for new antibodies, but antibodies do not guarantee immunity at the cellular level, hence why so many people with vaccine-induced antibodies still go down with the illness they've been vaccinated against. We need to stop assuming that vaccination is immunization.

I could go on all day, but I'll leave it at that for now as it's enough for you to think about.

Jodi - posted on 04/19/2014

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Brittany, Lucy's idea of "junk science" is any scientist who thinks vaccines are a good thing. She's quite fanatical about spreading those general myths.

Truef - posted on 04/19/2014

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No i don't regret not vaccinating, and my children are healthier than those vaccinated.

Please watch The Nazi bankster crimes on youtube. There is more information there regarding vaccinations.

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