I need advice please!!!!! Trouble with 14 week old at night!

Jessica - posted on 08/11/2010 ( 9 moms have responded )

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My son Greyson is 14 weeks old and for the past few weeks his sleeping habits at night are resembling newborn habits. At 2 months he seemed to be doing great, only getting up once a night to eat then up for the morning at 7:30. Now he is a very restless sleeper. He will wake up shortly after i put him to bed usually with in 45 minutes and i have to pat his back to get him to fall back asleep,sometimes this happens a few times before he gets up anywhere between 2:30 and 4 to eat. After his bottle i rock him to sleep then place him back in his crib. However, as soon as i put him down he realizes he is not on my shoulder anymore and i have to pat his back for a while to get him to sleep, sometimes it takes quite a while of patting and as you can imagine its frustrating when you can hardly keep your eyes open! He never sleeps soundly after his middle of the night bottle he will wake every 45 minutes or so and i have to repeat the back patting process. Around 5:15 or so he is basically impossible to get back to sleep unless i bring him into my bed with me and even then lately he has been demanding a bottle to go back to sleep. I dont understand why he is doing this. Also, during the day his naps are about 45 minutes long and he will nap every 2 hours or so give or take which is also frustrating. He will get very fussy if i dont let him nap. He doesnt sleep enough during the day that it would affect his sleep at night. He gets rice cereal in his two bottles at night and thats obviously not working. He gets a bath with night time soap and lotion and a warm bottle right before bed. People have said to let him cry and sooth himself back to sleep but that doesnt work he will just cry and cry and get himself too worked up to the point of choking until you go pick him up. Im just at my wits end here and i dont know what else to do....Help!

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Edel - posted on 08/12/2010

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im not so sure you should be puttting the rice in his bottle. here the health nurse says its very much a no no. especially giving big feeds before bed mite be the very reason he is waking and needing you to pat him he might have a full belly and be feeling very uncomfortable. have you tried a hungry baby formula. i had to do that with my previous 2 kids. my oldest son was drinking 8 x 8oz bottles of formula and still not satisfied at 12wks so i started him on hungry baby formula and after 2 days he was well settled just having 3 and sleeping 5hrs between feeds and went the full 12 hrs at night. he became unsettled again at around 5mths so i introduced solids a little breakfast and mashed potatoe in the evening around 4. he was grand again and loved his bottle before bed.
if you havent tried the hungry baby formula ask your health nurse about it. it can make a colicky baby worse so make sure you check with ur dr or heath advisor. and ask their opinion about the rice in the bottle it was used here in ireland years ago but due to aspiration and choking risks it is strongly advised against now. rice from the spoon yes from 14- 16wks but never in a bottle. hope this helps and i dont mean to worry you..

Alexandria - posted on 08/11/2010

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This sounds very much like my fist son. The first thing i would suggest is stop putting the rice cereal in the night time bottles and try it through the day. I have found that it can leave the baby thirsty so making them think they need to feed, it can also cause them to be a little more fussy so if you give it to him through the day it will be a little easier to deal with than at night when you can hardly keep your eyes open. Also this might help with getting your little one to take more of a solid nap through the day. A reason for this to be happening could be growth, sometimes babies have rapid growth spurtes that effect their sleeping habbits. Dont worry thing wont last forever, just remember to stay strong and positive. If you are positive then baby will feed off of your positive energy but if you let it get to you and get all worked up then thats how the baby will react to. I went through this for 6 whole months with my first son, who is now a very happy healthy four year old ... its worth it trust me and if it helps my second son is the complete opposite! I hope you find that at least a little helpful!!

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Sue - posted on 08/13/2010

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We also found that the rice cereal (fed by spoon) in the evening caused our lo to be fussy and not sleep as well. We always lay her down awake and she falls asleep on her own. She usually sleeps from 8:30 pm to 6 or 7 in the am. Lately she has been fussing aroun 3 am and we go in and rub her back and readjust her and she goes back to sleep fairly quickly. During naps she wakes and fusses but usually goes back to sleep if we stay away. I always pick her up if she cries in earnest because she just gets worked up and the nap is over anyway. Everything that I have read says you should put them down awake and this will help sleeping patterns in the future. Your attitude and feelings are transmitted to the baby and if you stay calm and in control this will help keep your lo calmer also. Good Luck

Gemma - posted on 08/13/2010

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I'm so glad you posted this as I was going to post similar. My LO is 17 weeks. She has pretty much always been good at night and gets herself to sleep. She is combination fed (BF and formula) but only has BF at night. She has a BF and a bum change around 9pm then gets drowsy so we go to bed. She sleeps in a cot in our room still and I try to go to bed at the same time as her as I can't sleep in the day. She usually sleeps from about 10pm for about 6 hours. When she wakes I feed her one breast, change her and feed her the other breast to help her settle and make sure she gets as much of a feed as possible. I then put her back in her cot where she gurgles for a few minutes and falls asleep. She then wakes up roughly every 2 hours afterwards until we get up at 8am.

This week she has reverted to old habits and is waking at 1.30/2am in addition to the others so I'm getting 4 hours at most then up every 2 hours for a feed. I've been trying only giving her feed on alternate wake ups and just giving her a dummy in between but she is now insisting on a feed every time. We've been doing so well and now I feel we've gone backwards. I'm getting tired all over again and am thinking about giving her a bottle in the middle of the night instead of BF in the hopes this might give me an extra hour or so but she already has more formula than I'd like as I wanted her to be totally BF but I can't get her off of it now. Any advice welcome please.

Kate - posted on 08/12/2010

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I think you need to work on teaching your son to fall asleep on his own and get back to sleep on his own. Secrets of The Baby Whisperer, how to calm, connect and communicate with your baby has very detailed instructions on how to do this if you're looking for examples. change won't happen overnight though - this is a habit that's formed over months, it's going to take 3 days at least to change it...
biggest thing I can recommend is decide in detail what you want your new nap/bedtime routine to be (ie, what signals you will give him that it's bedtime and time to sleep) then do that exact same thing every single time he needs to sleep. don't revert back to the old way and give it at least 3 days to work. I'd also first concentrate on the day sleeps then work on the night sleeps.
also agree that rice in nighttime bottles could be aggravating the situation....

hope you find an answer soon. it's incredibly tough when you get used to them sleeping a certain way and then they stop / change! guess we all really like routine... even in our sleep! :)

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just curious why rice cereal in a bottle is a no no?

i have been sort of letting my little one self soothe..putting him to bed drowsy. so far so good. i just don't let him get into freak out mode. i let him whimper a few times. he is pretty good with his night time sleeping..never too big a fuss! so far anyhow ;)

if i have to go in his room more than once to settle him, i pull him out and entertain him until he seems ready.

Amanda - posted on 08/12/2010

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I have also found that my daughter sleeps best when I put her down awake, but drowsy, and she puts herself to sleep. She is about 20 weeks now. At about 16 or 17 weeks she started waking up 3 or 4 times per night. She is exclusively breastfed and I only introduced rice cereal a couple weeks ago, by spoon only. She had been sleeping 6-8 hrs, eating once, and sleeping 3-4 more before this. Finally I just stopped feeding her, deciding that she shouldn't need food at night at this point, and she slept 4 straight nights of 10-12 hrs. She still woke a few times and I either let her fuss, or patted her back or picked her up for a sec and put her back down. The last week she has been waking once, and some nights I feed her quick and she goes right back. It might be an age thing and your LO will outgrow it just as quickly as he started it. By the way I LOVE that name, it was on my boys' name list but we have 2 girls!

Krista - posted on 08/12/2010

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When my daughter was around 2 months or so, we started laying her in her crib awake after she eats and shows signs of sleepiness. We would stand there and stroke her head and pat her butt. She learned within a week that the crib is safe and we are right there if she needs us. I have found it is best to lay them down awake. She also naps in her crib during the day too. She now goes to bed awake and I don't have to soothe her to sleep anymore.
Otherwise..have you ruled out reflux? Maybe tilt the crib or mattress a little on an incline. I hope your little guy figures it out.

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I totally agree, I bet your little one is having a growth spurt. My 17 week old started to do the same thing, he started to seem so restless at night and decided he needed to eat every two or three hours, it lasted a few days and then he went back into his old habits of sleeping 5 or 6 hrs straight.I still have to go in once and a while to pat his back a bit. I have done some reading and there is some research that shows most babies are not able to self soothe until 6 mos or older. Like was already said, I know how stressful and tiring it can be but it can't last forever!! Good luck!

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