Oppositonal Defiant Disorder or Asperger's

Jamie - posted on 03/16/2010 ( 8 moms have responded )

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My son was diagnosed with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. We had a hard time with our psychologist and will be seeing a new one on Thursday. However, I have been told by someone that I should talk to my psychologist about having him tested for Asperger's. I was wondering what some of the symptoms are and if anyone can tell me the difference between Oppositional Defiant Disorder and Asperger's

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Leslie Taylor - posted on 10/24/2010

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Honestly to look at them both their can be alot of similar things. Have you had any formal testing done by a psychilogist specifically to test for autism (aspergers, pdd, pdd-nos ect)? I would go that route. that will give you the answers. My daughter has been diagnosed with aspergers but I am telling you she would argue with Satan and win!!! Don't get me wrong I love her dearly! We have a very long story but the point is if I say she likes this food. Then she no matter what it is and she could have just had it the day before , she will cry and she is so hostile and upset. I have told others we are really working trying to find a med she doesn't have a bad reaction to that will help her. Behavior meds can really help with this but she allergic to so many. But right now I feel your pain because we are in crisis. Thats exactly what I told my doctor. No one can hardley say anything that she hears because theirs always something wrong with anything you say. Feel free to sne dme a msg if you want more info. I know for me just to have some one describe what their child acted like in detail just to know I was not alone not that I want someone else there but you know that saved me! Best of luck

Michele - posted on 04/15/2010

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I don't know about ODD, but Aspergers has many symptom. My son seems to have a mild form of it. He is 8 and can't tie his shoes, very picky eater (will eat only one thing then all of a sudden doesn't want that any more), Doesn't complain when he is sick (he got Phenomena, and Strep and we didn't even know because he didn't act sick until he started having major chest pains. He is known to put on his little brothers (size 3t) clothes and thinks they fit even though the pants are up to his knees. He doesn't ask for friends to come over or to go to friends houses. He watches the clock and when it gets close to bed time he counts down.. ex Mom it is 8:57 3 minutes before bed.. etc He LOVES legos, will play them quietly in his room for hours, and hours. He has difficulty with simple directions like "hand me the green box on the table" but can build a complete Lego star ship (The $107 size) with no help. He has melt downs (seems overly emotional) when it doesn't make since. WAY OVER REACT. Still has a blankie, and a teady bear he is very attached to. I know that seems like a lot but most of the time he is almost normal. In fact most people don't realize there is an issue. They just think he is a little immature. There are a lot of other symptoms he does't have. He will make eye contact but he does not bond easily to people. Flapping the hands is a symptom, Check out www.autismspeaks.com for more info. Also Mozart and the Whale is a great movie with Josh Hartnet playing a young man with Aspergers who falls in love with a young woman with it. Oh and of course they have a hard time with sarcasm. They take things more literally. You may not even pick up on it at times. Unfortunately we are a very sarcastic family, so it is hard for us to even realize we said something sarcastic until he gets confused.

I know this was a crazy long rant. I hope it helped.

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Courtney - posted on 11/19/2011

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Hello Katrina. My suggestion would be to check with his insurance, see if any kind of mental health benefits are covered. Then do some searching in your area for a child psychologist, and make him an appt. Do it now, don't wait, as sometimes, u may have to wait a few months to get in to see one. My son is 5, very intelligent, but immature in some ways. He started Kindergarten this year (After a successful year in preschool with only ADHD worries) and after 4 days in kind. we had to pull him out. He cried, screamed, threw up, and clung to us. We took him to a child psychologist, and he was diagnosed with Aspergers (R/O) ADHD and ODD. It did take some time to get in to see him, and we are on our 3rd medical doctor for him bc the other 2 just did not respect our concerns. I wish you the best with him, and hope you have happy holidays :)

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hi can some pls have a wee read over this i know its long sorry .........i am now even more lost then before up till now ive thought my son may have adhd was told at 2 he wouuldnt be diagnosed till he went to school then at school was told he need to be between 7 and 8 but i no long think he has adhd as after a meeting with his teacher yesterday as she phoned last week to ask me to come down as shes worried about jason. i was expecting to go in to be telt he was doing this n doing that wrong but was in fact the oppisite she is really worried as" jason seems to be younger then he should be for 6." i already knew this. when i told her that i had been saying this for sometime now she grew even more concerend as after a discussion some examples were raised "jason asked me on (wednessday ) if it was thursday i told him it was thursday tomorrow he then asked so what day is it tomorrow ? i told him that tomorrow was thursday so he asks when is it thursday " alot of convos between him and others are of the same type he asks a question but doesnt understand the answer. jason knows that monday to friday is a school day and sat and sun hes off school but he can not tell you what day comes after the next. he has a school bag and a homework bag that he must take to school each day but he always remembers his school bag but can not remember to take 2 bags if he isnt wearing a jacket he doesnt remember that either. a feww weeks ago now he "lost his home work book" he went to school with it but never come home with it. The school moaned that it was at home but i knew that i wasnt after talking with his teacher yesterday he must of lost it on the school bus that morning or at after school care, but the thing is he found it last week he come home one day with it i thought his teacher had found it in his tray at school but turns out after speaking yesterday that he just turned up with it and is unable to say where or when he got it back he doesnt know and doesnt relize it was missing. His teacher says this is really worrying. he is in primary 2 started school last year so he has had time to adapt but he is still crying for nursery he doesnt want to be at school he wanst to go back to nursery he doesnt relize that he is to old for nursery ( 7 in feb) his teacher beleives he seen nursery as security he would of felt safe and secure at nursery, he is not distressed in school just every friday he crys to go back to nursery on monday, he recieves speech and langague theropy once a week they come out to the school to see him and his teacher is doing some extra work with him at the moment she is going to start something after christmas but not sure what i asked her if she suggets taking him back to the doctor to find out when he seems younger in his self but she has asked me to wait till after christmas once shes started the other stuff with him. should i wait till after christmas like she says or do i make an appointment the now? x

Courtney - posted on 11/10/2011

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My son was recently diagnosed with both ODD and AS. The symptoms are very similar, causing tantrums and acting out, however the ODD is the blatant form of refusing to do what he/she is told. the aspergers is more of the child not hearing you, or not understanding what it is you expect of them. Definately google them both and compare the other signs, and go from there. This way you are more educated and can be a better advocate for your child at the next appointment. Good luck :)

Kim - posted on 08/15/2010

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I was just recently told that an aspergers kid may have odd as well. That aspergers has a wide range of symptoms-that's what makes it so hard to diagnose. I little of this and a little of that. We are observing right now at adding the diagnosis of odd to my son. The defiance is just getting out of hand and getting the better of me.

Lisa - posted on 04/24/2010

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My ten year old aspie son was very advanced as an infant in all areas. He spoke better than most 3 year olds at 22 months. However, he was never very interested in me personally or making friends. At ten, he likes his day very structured and gets nervous when it changes. He also has a blankey still and can get very emotional. Instead of defiant outbursts, they will usually involve tears. He seems to have ADHD or ADD, but can read or play with Lego bricks for HOURS. He is also very literal and doesn't understand colloquialisms, or expressions, or sarcasm. He has some obsessive cumpulsive tendencies such has HAVING to have his Star Wars guys by his bed in a certain way in order to sleep or counting tires of vehicles we pass on the road on long trips. He is extroirdinarily bright and I sometimes have a hard time keeping ahead of him. He seems very manipulative, but that isn't so much to be rude or mean, but more as a means to get something structured they way he wants it. He, and most children with Asperger's, cannot decipher or understand all of the non-verbal social cues we depend on for interacting with others. He can't understand that when you step back unconciously, you want space. So, he'll likely just step forward. Our neurologist, who also has a 13 year old Aspie, said, "Think of your stereotypical "nerd" in highschool who walks funny, talks funny, has horrible social skills but is super smart - there's your textbook Asperger's kid."

I'm not sure if this is too much info or helpful, but I hope it's the latter - and good luck!

Rebecca - posted on 04/10/2010

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My son has both. ODD is when he looks right at you and tells you that he is not doing it. He is intentionally being defiant and letting you know it. The Aspergers part of it is much more calm. My son has several moments throughout the day when given instruction that he will just stare at you as though you just spoke to him through a cats mouth and he has no idea what was just said to him. Your psychologist should be able to help more in this area, but research both on your own first, you don't want to let someone who only spends an hour with your child tell you something that in the future you find out is wrong.

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