Disturbing advice

Herbert - posted on 04/11/2013

Guys this is a mist not a straight burst of water, why are you freaking out?

Brenda - posted on 03/14/2010

Edit: I've never used vinegar in water! Oh my I reread my post and it looks like I used it with vinegar. I'd never do that...bleach that smells horrid...can't imagine a poor animal going around all day smelling like that...

Traci - posted on 03/13/2010

I've discovered that Reagan loves fresh fruits and veggies and real cooked meat over the jarred stuff. My Dad bought us a food processor, and while I haven't used it as much as I should, it's been really nice to feed her 'real food' instead of this overprocessed stuff.

Brenda - posted on 03/13/2010

The sugar thing: Seriously? That kid is going to grow up with the sweet tooth from hell...that's what's wrong with so many kids raised on soy formula, to get soy formula palatable for babies to drink, they have to add HUGE amounts of sugar or sweeteners, and they're showing that those kids are growing up with a craving for sweeter foods than children raised on breastmilk or milk based formula. I know that's what happened to me. Soy formula in 1980: my mom told me it was chocolate flavored so I'd drink it. She didn't make milk at all, nearly starved my sister to death before they figured out what was happening, so she had to go to formula.

It is just disgusting what people do. If the kid doesn't want to eat, they don't need to eat. Why don't people get the fact that kids under four or five only eat when they are hungry and if you make them eat you're going to trigger food issues later in life? They aren't capable of overeating...unless you make them.

On the spray bottle: my father in law and his wife used vinegar water in a spray bottle on their dogs. I wonder if the person that used a spray bottle on her kid would want to use that on their kid too? I've used it on my cats to keep them off kitchen counters, but not in the face, that's just cruel. Hind end works best, and for cats, putting a little bit of orange juice or lemon juice in the water works like a charm (cats don't like citrus), but you have to be really careful not to get any on their face if you do that! But it is just as effective if you spray orange scented water on the counters or wherever you don't want them to be, I have found. :)

Minnie - posted on 03/13/2010

Nicole- My cousin is one of 'em, huh?



Blech.

Jen - posted on 03/12/2010

This doesn't directly with the topic at hand, BUT I saw some really disturbing advice given about feeding the other day.
This mom had posted her 15mth old wasn't eating anymore, only taking a five or so bites and refusing to eat more than that. She wanted to know if this was normal and how to get her to eat.
One lady posted that she should put SUGAR in all of her kid's food to get her to eat to eat it, and then once she starts eating good again gradually start decreasing the amount of sugar until she wasn't adding sugar anymore. The mom that posted after the sugar lady said that her sis-in-law had the same problem so she would make her toddler a chocolate cake and add fruit or veggie puree to the cake so the kid would get some fruits and veggies in. She said her niece/ nephew starting eating a lot after the mom started giving them chocolate cake.

Seriously adding extra sugar and feeding chocolate cake everyday to a toddler, what the hell is wrong with these people?! The reason childhood obesity is so out of control is because of people like that. There is already too much sugar added to food as it is, and giving a toddler chocolate cake to get them to eat is absurd. My 16mth old hasn't even had any chocolate yet. He had some of a carrot cupcake and a few bites of vanilla ice cream for his birthday and that was it. I don't think it's bad for them to get sweets on occasion, but it should not be a regular thing. Fruit and berries are naturally sweet and they are so good for us. My son eats really well most of the time and he loves his veggies and fruit. Why would I ruin a good thing and give him a lot of processed sugar when I worked so hard to give him a healthy and nutritious start. If we don't teach our children healthy eating habits from the beginning then who will?

Jen - posted on 03/12/2010

Oh and just to clarify I do not squirt my animals in the face, I squirt the water right next to them or make it so the stream barely touches their side/ back. I could never squirt my animals in the face let alone a child.

Jen - posted on 03/12/2010

OMG!!! Are you serious?! That is what I do to teach my cats to "stay off" the kitchen counters or table (cats never stay off they just get down for the time being) and how I taught our dog not to chase the cats. I cannot believe that a mother would do that to her child especially for something like that. My 16mth old runs around squealing and screaming all the time when he's playing, he's always been a very vocal baby. It can get annoying at times (especially after a long day or if I have a head ache) but I would never punish him for vocalizing....

Nicole - posted on 03/12/2010

The Pearls have a cult following here in the states! I bet she doesn't spray the cat...

Kim - posted on 03/11/2010

Maybe some one should squirt her in the face until she decides to act like a decent human being...that may help her to see how ridiculous the idea of squirting her lil one in the face multiple times is.

Eva - posted on 03/10/2010

um WOW... =( When my little boy feels like screaming we all ( my son, daughter and I) go jump on the bed and scream! it's fun and hey , why not? screaming never hurt anyone. some ppl make me sick

Amanda - posted on 03/08/2010

I feel like I should respond with rage, but but I really feel is sadness and fear for this little one. This mom and child need our help not our judgement. Is there a way to offer gentle advice that could benefit this mom so that she can have more positive and effective interactions with her baby? How can we help?!

Nicole - posted on 03/08/2010

That theory is used with training pets. That if you use your hand, your pet will fear your hand, but if you use an object, the pet will fear it instead. The theory is that pets should associate the hand with petting only and not discipline. First, I wouldn't do that to an animal either. And second, I have no idea how anyone has moved this into parenting.

Brenda - posted on 03/08/2010

There is a warped belief that using your hand will make the child fear you, and not the object. It is complete BS. Somehow, they they feel that using an inanimate object instead of their hand will make the child not fear them, and won't attach pain infliction to the parent. It is crap. An object between does not make a difference in the psychological sense, but then these people don't buy into real psychology or biology. Only what they've created for themselves.

Geralyn - posted on 03/08/2010

This is probably not the place to ask, but I'd like to understand the "psychology" - no matter how warped - in using an object and not the hand.... I should probably post out in the COM and get one of those freaks to explain it to me.

Nicole - posted on 03/08/2010

Oh my!!!!! This is SO sad!!! Squealing/screaming is normal at that age!!! This is just disgusting! AND she bites! No wonder her child is biting her! I would bite her too if she was squirting water in my face! This is child abuse in my opinion. I hope this child turns out better than I think she will by being raised by this woman. So sad!

One of our sons would squeal ALL THE TIME! We just stayed out of restaurants or other places that he would have disrupted others, but NEVER sprayed him in the face with water. As he got older we worked on "inside voice/outside voice" (which he LOVED because we would get very animated about it) and it worked well. Oh goodness. Some people need licenses to have children or something. I'm not perfect, but I know spraying in the face with water and biting are not good parenting.

Lisa, I can't believe people would actually take that kind of advice! My second child was SO difficult to potty train and I thought it would NEVER happen, but I would have never done that. We are a very fair/sensitive skinned family and if I had let my child walk around in his own waste for any length of time, his behind would of scalded! That is horrible.

Brenda - posted on 03/07/2010

A wooden spoon is what you are NEVER supposed to use. Have you seen the whelts a wooden spoon leaves on someone? It is like taking riding crop to someone. I have a friend that is a submissive, and enjoys coming home from an "encouter" in whelts and bruises, so I know what can make the worst marks, and a riding crop/wooden spoon are the worst because of the way the pressure is spread out at the larger end of them. They can be really dangerous.

Katherine - posted on 03/07/2010

Those threads crop up almost every other day on the welcome page. It's really disgusting.

Geralyn - posted on 03/07/2010

Kylie, where was that post? I am opposed to hitting, spanking, etc. with every fiber of my being.... But I have to say using an object like a spoon or a ruler is pure chicken shit. If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing, then USE YOUR HAND.

Kylie - posted on 03/07/2010

OMG..when the water is not effective enough whats next some windex spray in the face? Horrible humans..I'm so sick of reading this crap. Look at this post in a thread about time outs for 15 month olds -
I just talked to my ped about this. Fifteen month olds just aren't old enough to understand time-outs! However, in his opinion, they're old enough for a swat or a spanking. We don't use a hand, because you don't want to confuse your hand as a hit, but instead use a wooden spoon. It has worked super well for us! If he grabs something he's not supposed to, we say no, if he does it again, we grab the spoon and give a little swat. It's gotten to the point where all I have to do is reach for the spoon and he'll stop!!

where are these peoples heads at?

Emily - posted on 03/07/2010

Just terrible, terrible, terrible.

Traci - posted on 03/07/2010

I doubt that a TTUAC users would come and join in that fray. We are all infidels or nonbelievers or whatever they are calling us bad Christians in that camp. They wouldn't feel it necessary to come and defend any of their actions, because they are working in the 'True Love Of Christ', or whatever that group is calling it. I get lost in the different Christian rhetoric, so I'm adapting my own.

If nothing else, it would serve to spread the word of how vile that crap is. But, it would probably dissolve into a GIGANTIC pissing match between the Christians and the Atheists.

Geralyn - posted on 03/06/2010

That's funny, Traci. You should post it and see what people say... I think we should come up with a debate topic about Pearl and "out" sone of these discipline fanatics...



I told my mom about the spray bottle. She couldn't believe it. Just be cause a "technique" extinguishes the behavior, does not make it right. Putting duct tape over the baby's mouth would get him to stop screaming, too, lady.



My mom was a teacher for 40 years.... She said that if a teacher did that, the teacher would be investigated, fired, sued, and potentially brought up on charges... A parent does it to her own kid and its a "parenting technique..."

Traci - posted on 03/06/2010

I was talking to my Mom about this post, and we were having quite a chuckle at it. She wanted me to post a reply like this:

My 7 mo old daughter keeps pulling up on the furniture and then falling down. Is this normal, for her to fall like this? Is there a way to correct it? Do you think the squirt bottle would work to keep her from falling? I'm really curious, because it's really getting on my nerves.

Geralyn - posted on 03/06/2010

I had to google Pearl. I will put a link to a long article in a different conversation.....

IOANNA - posted on 03/06/2010

Lisa Moreau, you wrote about a man named Michael Pearl and his methods.
I couldn't believe my eyes! Is he popular in your country? Do people actually buy his books?

Katherine - posted on 03/05/2010

I posted to that thread and it was not nice.


I think they're trying to weed out stupid ;)

Minnie - posted on 03/05/2010

I wish survival of the fittest applied to human beings and that the stupid would die out...or at least stop reproducing so quickly.

Katherine - posted on 03/05/2010

We had CPS called on a member because she blatantly admitted to abusing her child.

That's disgusting to spray a child. What a B**** no other word for it!!

April - posted on 03/05/2010

what is next with this lady? if her daughter says a bad word...is she going to put hot sauce in her mouth?

Geralyn - posted on 03/05/2010

Same "advising" mom - different post: "My daughter is 17 months and she is the same way. I know this sounds mean but when she bites me i bit her back. Not as hard as she does but enough for her to get the pint that it hurts. If that doesn't work try time out. My mom had to do the same thing with my sister when she was little and biting was the only way to get her to stop."



Truly shows her mentality. Spray bottles... biting... its amazing that her daughter smiles at all....



Another Mom on that post - what to do about biting - said if her son bites, she made him bite into a lemon. God forbid, they actually develop some real parenting tools....

Minnie - posted on 03/05/2010

Disgusting. Disgusting disgusting. Remeniscient of the Pearls' methods of child training. One little boy in the book To Train Up a Child (he was three years old) was having trouble becoming potty independent- well, Michael Pearl tells mom and dad to not change him any more but hose him off outside in the cold to teach him a lesson.

Or, let's hit the little tot with a toy wrench to teach him not to hit.

God I HATE these people.

April - posted on 03/05/2010

also people really ought to be careful about what they post on facebook/circle of moms. if this woman were to ever go through a divorce or something of that nature, the child's father could possibly have evidence of abuse and if it didn't hold..it certainly wouldn't look good in front of any judge or social services if it came to that!

April - posted on 03/05/2010

if i had a dog, i wouldn't even use that technique on him!!

Traci - posted on 03/05/2010

Yeah, Brenda, that's exactly what I thought... is her daughter really a cat?

Brenda - posted on 03/05/2010

Couldn't resist putting my professional opinion on that and I wasn't even a member of the community yet...lol

Brenda - posted on 03/05/2010

Wow. I really don't know what to think. More evidence that people treat animals better than their children. All the child is doing is exercising the vocal cords. It is a developmental stage.

Geralyn - posted on 03/04/2010

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Geralyn - posted on 03/04/2010

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