I am doing a paper for college about the MMR shot and if it does cause Autism.

Shemia - posted on 03/22/2010 ( 80 moms have responded )

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I am doing a paper for college about the MMR shot and if it does cause Autism.

So i need to know what other mom out there think about getting there kids vaccinated.

should they get the MMR shot or should they not get they shot.

Do they believe that the mmr shot cause autism or is it just a genetic thing

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Mandee - posted on 04/14/2010

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This is highly controversial. I personally am for vaccination of children, but recommend waiting till just before they go to school, daycare, or other place they are at an increased risk if a parent is concerned about possibly developing autism. However, I personally know three families, which did not vaccinate their children and their children still got autism. I also know another family who vaccinated their first child, he developed autism, so they did not vaccinate their other children, and one of them died at 15 months which may have been prevented had they vaccinated their child at 12 months.

Julie - posted on 04/14/2010

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My 13 y/o son was diagnosed with PDD in 2004. Looking back I was able to say that things were starting to "not appear right" around the age of 18 months, which is when he got is MMR. But studies have since shown some things parents don't take into account. For example, most autistic children start demonstrating autistic traits around 18 months therefore the MMR shot has gotten blamed. Also, when my son was little, I hadn't really heard anything about autism. The pyschological communtiy has become much more educated on autism and therefore there has been a sharp rise in diagnoses. Also, it was the mecury in the immunization that was being blamed and they have since replaced the mercury with another preservative. Now that I'm an adult, spending time with my father poses the question "Does my dad have an ASD?" I also have a sister that's mentally unstable and my son's father is as well, so I'd have to say he has more genetic markers and I am now unable to support the MMR claim. On a sidenote, my baby boy just turned one and he got his MMR shot. Other than a slight fever for a day or so, he's doing fine. Didn't know they changed the age guideline, though.

Tina - posted on 04/02/2010

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Its not from the shot. My son didnt receive his MMR until he was 4 and I had to get it for school, he had already started showing signs and had the behaviors. He started a special pre-school when he was 2 for social delays. I have 2 other children 1 older and 1 younger than him and he was different from the start. It is just the way he was born and he is awesome!!

Jennifer - posted on 03/29/2010

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My high functioning autistic son didn't take his first breath for a good minute or two after he was born, and same with another mum of an autistic boy I know. I also know a mum where her son changed directly after having the MMR. Every bodies body is different and some bodies can't cope with things other bodies can. I just don't think everyone's body can cope with a Measles and Mumps and Rubella attack even in tiny doses. Just as some bodies can cope with longer periods without oxygen than others. I believe that autism is just some slight damage to the brain that can happen in many different ways.

Victoria - posted on 03/26/2010

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I see a lot of people talking back and forth based on their limited personal experience. The problem with "common knowledge" and indeed medical knowledge, is that it's too simplistic. No, the MMR doesn't "cause" autism by itself but it does trigger it in folks with a predisposition. So the medical community gets away with saying it's absolved, but I think none of us is absolved of thinking more deeply about issues. The fact about trigger factors is that they are FACTORS, not absolute causes by themselves. And factors add up.

Other factors that may trigger autism in a kid with genetic predispostion include food allergy/sensitivity, esp to wheat and dairy. Which is why many kids start presenting symptoms during toddler age, when many common "adult" foods are introduced and the digestive system starts losing its resiliency over time. That most kids don't become autistic from wheat and dairy does not mean that these foods are not toxins for the small minority of kids. In the same way, the MMR is not toxic for most kids, but for some small minority, it pushes them over the edge.

I know what I know because I went to so many doctors and books while trying to get my son healthy. The various FACTORS did TRIGGER his condition. No one thing CAUSED it. If I had known, along with the pediatrician, that our family history ( food allergies and late-talking family members with language and social/behavioral issues) was important, we would have known to be cautious about the kind of diet and vaccination we exposed him to, including pre-natally. As it is, he was 9 before we got him to the kind of doctor that thinks this way (I refer to doctors that follow the "DAN!" protocols -- stands for Defeat Autism Now!) and he started to improve right away. He is now 10 and has completely caught up academically, and is way ahead in math.

So the answer to your MMR question isn't Yes or No. Anyone who does not see that there are different factors that interact neurologically with family risk factors, is going to miss the boat on the real dynamic at work here.

I wish you luck on your studies. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have more questions. And good for you, taking on this challenging topic.

Sincerely,
Victoria

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Robin - posted on 11/01/2011

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I have a 15 year old Autistic/Asperger child. My son was BORN with Autism. I knew from birth he was different. I had 3 daughters before my special little guy came along and he was just different. Didn't want to be held, touched, swaddled, and wouldn't breast feed at all. I also think it is genetic, it has absolutely nothing to due with the MMR shot. My son started displaying Autistic characteristics way before he got the mmr shot. He is a wonderful boy, and I am blessed to have him in my life. Autism rocks, at least in our family it does.

Latifa - posted on 10/20/2011

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I am concerned because my grandson (who was a premie) just got his 18 month vaccinations and a flu shot on the same day.

Jennifer - posted on 10/19/2011

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I have a 4yr old on the spectrum and I do not believe the MMR vaccine had anything to do with this. He started showing signs well before the MMR was administered. My nephew also shows signs of being on the spectrum (though not diagnosed because his parents are in denial) and they did not have him vaccinated until just recently and he is also 4yrs. I believe that Autism is a genetic issue with environmental factors.

Rita - posted on 10/18/2011

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Post a reply!There are not many vaccinated vs unvaccinated studies out there, but I would look at the impeccible health of some of the unvaccinated kids. Germany just put out a study. Generation Rescue did a phone study a while back. The American Academy of Pediatrics is totally against this sort of study and the fact that it will jeopardize public health policy($$$). I dont think any one can make assumptions about the causes of the boom in recent disorders until you see the statistics...People who insist that a vaccine did not cause their child's issues, can not truely make thse statements unless their child is unvaccinated. Kids are getting vaccinated from the day they are born. http://www.naturalnews.com/033858_unvacc...

Gigi - posted on 10/17/2011

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It dosen't neccasarily CAUSE autism. However, for kids who are pre disposed genetically or otherwise, it can bring out symptoms. With the vaccines. you are putting loads of poisons in their system and taxing their immune system, especially with the 3 in one! And unfortunatley, you don't know which kid may be sensitive and which may not. I think with vaccines people really need to ask themselves if the risk is worth the benefit.

Erin - posted on 10/17/2011

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I think it's genetic. And I think that the brain is just wired differently. My son is 3 with pdd-nos. I think of autism as a part of him like a personality trait not like something went "wrong" along the way. His language development was different, he needs help with social skills, and sensory overload. He's super smart and has a memory like you wouldn't believe also because of the autism. Autistic people do have positive traits as well.
What I'm trying to get at is he's just different, he will get from point a to point b his road to get there will just be different from other peoples. If a vaccination caused his sensory issues and inability to do well socially, did it also cause him to have an awesome memory? That's what always confuses me when people think vaccines are what makes one autistic. Would my son have a different personality if he was never vaccinated? I think it's just the way he is, if he wasn't autistic he wouldn't be him.

Rita - posted on 10/17/2011

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I think that a vaccine has the implication of causing a vaccine injury, often misdiagnosed as an ASD. The vaccine manufacturers all indicate that encephalatis is a possibility as an adverse event from the vaccine. Any ne ever do studies on encephalitis and how those kids develop? Since there are no diagnostic tests to implicate or determine a vaccine injury....how the heck are we determining this? There are diagnostic test to determine certain health issues, but not one test to determine a vaccine has caused that condition. no studies are done to test lots of combinations of vaccines, and the studies done abroad (not influenced by the almighty pharma dollar) have shown a far healthier population(results staggering really). I think there are far more issues than JUST THE MMR!!!!

Rita - posted on 10/17/2011

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I think that a vaccine has the implication of causing a vaccine injury, often misdiagnosed as an ASD. The vaccine manufacturers all indicate that encephalatis is a possibility as an adverse event from the vaccine. Any ne ever do studies on encephalitis and how those kids develop? Since there are no diagnostic tests to implicate or determine a vaccine injury....how the heck are we determining this? There are diagnostic test to determine certain health issues, but not one test to determine a vaccine has caused that condition. no studies are done to test lots of combinations of vaccines, and the studies done abroad (not influenced by the almighty pharma dollar) have shown a far healthier population(results staggering really). I think there are far more issues than JUST THE MMR!!!!

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As far as I know, the original research done linking the MMR vaccine and autism has been shown to be fraudulent (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452... and http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/7354...), and more recent and statistically rigorous research has shown no link. Recent studies have shown a connection only in children who had certain genetic mutations, for example. I do think the medical authorities have pretty much ruled out any direct connection.

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As far as I know, the original research done linking the MMR vaccine and autism has been shown to be fraudulent (http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452... and http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/7354...), and more recent and statistically rigorous research has shown no link. Recent studies have shown a connection only in children who had certain genetic mutations, for example. I do think the medical authorities have pretty much ruled out any direct connection.

Dr. Rosalia - posted on 03/21/2011

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I do think it does, I do think parents should research thoroughly what is in that vaccine and all negative effects related to it. I chose not to vaccinate my son but one time the docs did it without my husband realizing they did it.

Kim - posted on 04/22/2010

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Nicole, you bring up a couple of interesting points, however, I question your comment regarding age being a major contributing factor. My son is 19, and he was not diagnosed until he was 4. He showed very few early signs of the disorder, however, they manifested quickly and sharply following his 18 month MMR vaccination, leading me to believe there is a direct correlation...for some people. My son had a predisposition of paternal genetic loading, and when combined with the mercury that was used as a preservative in the vaccine, the combination triggered a neurological misfire. Autism is a spectrum disorder, which means there are different levels and varying degrees, but as research is finding, there is also more han one cause.

Marissa - posted on 04/22/2010

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We were told my son was showing signs of the spectrum at 15 months; it was BEFORE he got his MMR shot. My son has a known genetic disorder that predisposes children to being on the spectrum. His syndrome 16p11.2 duplication syndrome has shown 1 in a 100 are on the spectrum with this disorder. From what I understand it is similar in principal to Fragile X, etc. It is a syndrome where many children who have the syndrome are also on the spectrum.

La - posted on 04/22/2010

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My daughter exhibited delays and has never received her MMR vaccinations. She did have behavioral changes with each set of other vaccinations though (DTaP, rotavirus, pneumacoccal, hep B). In her case I feel that it was probably genetic and the vaccinations may have exacerbated the symptoms, but did not cause the onset of them.

Susan - posted on 04/18/2010

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I have 3 children all had same vaccs only 1 has autism/aspergars I do not beleive that vaccines cause autism. It is a diagnoses that has been changed in the dsm as each eddition has been revised. It was called Mental retardation, childhood scitzophenia, and other disorders, these names had been removed and the Characteristics of Autism are similar, and the names have been changed. check the history of the DSM dsmII and DSM III and DSM IV and soon to be published DSN V. There is quite a bit of historical changes which change the statistics and # of cases as well. Vaccines have nothing to do, genetics may though.

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I have a nine year old boy with aspergers syndrome and I do think the MMR may have triggered autistic behaviour. Life was relatively easy until this point and after a bad reaction too it, life has been a challenge with him ever since. He has a autistic grandmother so there is a genetic background.

Josie - posted on 04/02/2010

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My family has come to the conclusion that our son's PDD is genetic. Looking at my dad's side of the family, there is a lot of Asperger tendencies. Brilliant people in his family, that's for sure!
There is plenty of science to prove that MMR does not CAUSE autism. There's also a lot of parents mad about their children "suddenly" showing signs of autism after the vaccine. Did the MMR cause it? No. Did it trigger what was already there? Quite possibly.
Unfortunately, what has happened is that many parents are afraid to get their children vaccinated. This causes many more problems. And, here's the thing. If you don't get your child vaccinated because you afraid of it "causing" autism, but your child gets sick because it doesn't have the antibodies to prevent a horrible disease, who would be at fault? Or worse, your child became a carrier, and infects an infant at the park?
Also, if the stress of the vaccine is what triggers the onset of autism, wouldn't the stress to the body from the disease do the same thing?
One of the arguments is that autism is so much more prevalent now. Well, we have more refined diagnosis and much more awareness. Imagine how many would have been diagnosed 20+ years ago, had they known what we know now. Now, image those folks have kids. Hmm....more possible cases. Now, those kids grow up & have kids themselves... I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this. If autism is genetic, then it's been placed very firmly in the gene-pool.
Personally, I'm proud to say that my son is in the spectrum. The way that mind works just blows me away! When he tells us that he wants to design cars when he grows up, we know that he will be an amazing designer!

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My son is now 16yrs old & was an early developer... he was a very early developer & was well ahead of all of the baby books. when I took him in for all of his shots he didn't show any symptoms of fever but he did become very lethargic & slow for a few weeks afterwards. At 10mths he came down with Broncolitis pneumonia spending 2mths in Camperdown hospital Sydney & went down hill from there... afterwards he displayed all of the symptoms of Autism & had learn how to do everything from scratch. I'm not sure if it was the immunisations or the amount of morphine he was given in hospital but he did come out a very diferent little boy.
I am told that the brain does heal over time & have noticed that my son has either become very good at hiding his symptoms or his brain is healing if the symptoms have been caused by brain damage.

Rachelle - posted on 03/31/2010

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I have 2 boys, one suspected Aspergers, the other is ASD. I believe we have a genetic predisposition, but for us the straw that broke the camels back was the Meningococcal B vaccination that we had here in New Zealand. I don't know if it was the aluminium or just the immune system overload but after that he lost his speech and his other ASD symptoms became very obvious. He's not had the final MMR vaccine simply because I don't want to overload his system and undo all the good results we've had since.

Janie - posted on 03/31/2010

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My autistic son is now 42 years old. Back then, it was just diagnosed as ADHD plus other catergories. I had him given the necessary shots and he is only one out of five sons that had a reaction to the shots. He just laid for a day and a half with his leg looking like it was malformed, swollen and he cried in pain when moved. No, I do not think it caused his autism but I do firmly believe it intensified the degree he has it. Also, Hepatitis B shot is strongly urged not to be taken by an autistic person due to serious side effects for them.

Jennifer - posted on 03/30/2010

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Personally and professionally I believe that the MMR does not cause autism. I am a nurse on a pediatric unit and mom of a son with asperger's. My ex-husband also has asperger's, so I believe it is genetic. I also believe that more children are being diagnosed because of awareness...in the past they may have been diagnosed as mental-retardation due to the lack of information.

Tanya - posted on 03/30/2010

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My 4yr old Son was born ASD - sensory issues from birth - touch, light, sound, slow development, no response to people in the room. I took him to the DR every month from age 5mths till about 12 mths saying - "something is wrong" - only to be told "too young to do anything". I gave up for a while but when lack of talking became an issue Dr's took notice.

Jaymi - posted on 03/29/2010

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The main issue that prevents me from thinking that all autism cases are caused by only genetics is the rapid increase in cases. Statistics just 10 years ago were 1 in 10,000 or more, but now the CDC reports it as 1 in 110. This is why I think it is important to research this, for our children and grandchildren's sakes. Yes, caring for our children that are already diagnosed is very important too.

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It's just genetic. It's like you have your brain wired differently not bad just different. People think that the mmr causes autism because they are looking for something to blame and the shot occurs at the same time that many children are diagnosed because its often hard to pick in younger children. We always new our son was slightly different right from birth. He just wasn't quite like our older son or other children.

Shelley - posted on 03/29/2010

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Hi I have an opinion too. My son has Austism and my daughter doesn't. Both were immunized. If it did cause Austism wouldn't everyone have it? However what Colleen said made me think, that maybe there is something to it. I love my son and he is who he is. I am getting tired of people trying to figure out why they have it instead of getting them the help they need. With that said, good luck to everyone who has to face this as we do. There is help out there, and maybe just maybe this is God's way of saying hey we all belong. Because if you look at the austism spectrum disorder, if you have add, sensory intergration dysfunction (we all have a bit), opposite definance disorder (we have some of that too who wants to not speed once in a while), dyspraxia, ect well then we all fall on that spectrum disorder. By the way my son is 10 and he was at a silver arcade and he bought me a snowman because he knew I had some out at christmas and he bought his sister a toy horse because he knew she loved horses. I believe in working at it and in immunizations!!!

Robin - posted on 03/29/2010

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Hello I am Robin, I have an Autistic son named Keegan. He was BORN with Autism, it was NOT caused by the MMR shot. I knew from the very beginning there was something different about my son. I have 3 older daughters, and keegan was different from the very start. I know the MMR didn't cause my sons Autism. Get your child their shots, they are very important. My son was born Autistic, and I am 100% sure of that. Robin Walters

Dayspring - posted on 03/28/2010

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Ever wondered why boys are 4 times more likely to get diagnosed with an ASD than girls? Well, at low levels, mercury exposure is mitigated by estrogen, but amplified by testosterone. Therefore, more boys than girls will be affected by mercury-containing vaccine exposure. It is not just the MMR, but also the hep-B, the HIB, all the other required vaccines that have had mercury in them in the not-so-distant past. I am a bit skeptical about the claim that thimerosol has been removed from vaccines, but yet the ASD rates keep climbing. FDA did require thimerosol-free vaccines to be made in 2001, but the older, thimerosol-containing vaccines were in use for years after that. We do not know what year they were no longer used. These newly exposed children are still being diagnosed, and it may be a few years sill before we should expect to see the full impact of a related decrease (due to less thimerosol exposure). There are several confounding variables as well, since pregnant women are now being asked to receive the thimerosol-containing flu-shot.

Emma - posted on 03/28/2010

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my boy had mmr and last yr was diagnosed with aspergers aged 6 im in a whirl as towhat to believe to be honest - first they said it did then everyone panicked and stopped vaccinating thier kids so suddenly the governments doctors announced new researched revealled a link wasnt there a coiincidence or a government cover up that to this day we are still being fed? who knows? im now at the stage where my daughter was due her jab on the 18th of this month but had a stomach bug and then straight after caught a chest infection - she is still on antibiotics and by the time she finishes those we will be well into a house move - including change of gp surgery so for now at least it will be delayed but i have to say its something im still dreading and not sure i want to embark on however obv i dont want her to get measles mumps or rubella and jepordise her health in that way so majorly confused :(

Amy - posted on 03/27/2010

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I am a mother of 4 children, my 2 oldest are both on the autism spectrum, so far the younger ones show no signs. Even thought I dont believe that it is shots that cause Autism, I have opted for a delayed series of shots. This is why I think it is NOT shots. My older sister has 6 children, 3 of which are Autistic. After the diagnosis of the first autistic child, she opted for no shots in any of her other children, and yet the autism is there. We also have an uncle with Autism. He is the only one from a family of 12 children on the spectrum. I have many, many cousins and 2nd cousins....yet there are no other Autistic children in the family. Who can really know the cause? I am grateful for the support of others facing this difficult scenario-Lets try to let the world know what Autism is.

Jaymi - posted on 03/27/2010

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For me, this question of what causes autism is one of the most frustrating things about this disorder. (One of the others is not being able to ask what is going on in my son's mind and heart and get an understandable answer.) Many other disorders have a known cause, Down's for example. I have a 7 year old son who is considered severely autistic. He is destructive to property,is aggressive towards others, and is a flight risk. Elijah has a twin sister. They obviously have different DNA, but they got all of their shots at the same time, same doses. They were 2 months premature. I tend to agree that there must be some genetic components as well as an environmental stimulant. I don't have an instance where he got his shots and became a different child, but I have heard this many times from other parents. We have four kids all together, and Elijah is our only child with autism. We made the decision to vaccinate our youngest son slowly. It was a difficult decision, but we felt it was the right one for us. He is 3 and caught up on his shots. Yes, he had to have them a few extra times, but, if it did nothing but give us some peace of mind, it was worth it.

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My son is ASD. He did NOT receive his MMR until AFTER his diagnoses, so I think it's highly unlikely that the shot is his cause, however I do believe that the shot can worsen the situation. The only reason MMR is a debate is because of the lack of ability to support or deny the case. For some children the MMR may very well cause it based on their personal levels, others it may not effect at all. Since we don't know what causes each Autistic case, to say that one shot is the problem wouldn't make sense, not every Autistic child had the shot before diagnoses. We held off on the shot after the diagnoses until the last possible min. that way if it did worsen the situation it would have less effect on his development. No, I don't think MMR causes Autism however I do think it will complicate development in a number of children. (We waited until my son 4 to give him the MMR, a long wait but it was safe for the lack of information on the subject)

Abby-lee - posted on 03/27/2010

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Just read some more of the other comments. Yes hypoxia may have had something to do with it. Had documented hypoxia with 1 of mine and was likely in the other as was in labour for 7 days. I know 4 children with ASD who weren't immunised-you'll see more as this non-immunised generation grows up.
Hate to be brutal but you see very few insidence of special needs in 3rd world countrys as severly disabled (physical/mental/whatever) babies are often discarded 1 way or another and it really is the land of survival of the fittest. However if you look closely enough you will find some children and adults with mild Aspergers in the 3rd world. They're the ones labelled quirky/odd/mad/brainy but as they often present as quite normal when babies they are much more likely to survive. I think most 3rd world countries have more to worry about than count the number of quirky Aspergers kids they have.

Helen - posted on 03/27/2010

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all children are a gift from god and sometimes god gives us challenges to make us better people. my son is 7 now and was diagnosed with autism at 18 months. i do not believe that vaccines are the cause for autism. i think it is people looking for an excuse who blame autism on vaccines. if that was indeed the case the statisitc would be way higher than it is. we may not understand it now but god has a special plan for these wonderful children and sometimes it's tough and challenging and even a struggle (for both the children and parents) but every day you can see them smile or laugh - it is absolutely worth it all.

Abby-lee - posted on 03/27/2010

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No. The MMR did not cause my 2 kids Aspergers. All 4 of my kids had their shots on time. I am sure it is genetic and certainly they were born with it but of course you don't see it straight away. My kids 'are' Aspergers, they don't 'have' it and it didn't suddenly appear cos something happened. You wouldn't suggest Downs was caused by the MMR as it is visually apparent from birth.

Brownie - posted on 03/27/2010

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I don't think that there are ever going to be any clear answers on this autism epidemic; until the pharmaceutical industry is busted wide open. there are so many different experiences. i just find it strange that so many children all around the same age group 'all' have autism or aspergers. the only children in my both my kids classes that are not autistic have downs syndrome and that is one or two out of ten.

i know that mine were not genetics. i was alerted to that possibility and had genetic testing done to see if there was a possibility of this passing on and it was not.

Abby - posted on 03/27/2010

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Autism is genetic. I have a son who is autistic & he was showing signs before he had his MMR. If it is the MMR that causes autism then why are there so many people with it that never had the jab because the jab was not developed till 1988.

Kellie - posted on 03/26/2010

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My son was born perfect,and is still perfect!.I really don't know what causes autism,but i would rather have a healthy perfect autistic son,than no son.I allowed both of my other children to have the MMR,and they are perfect(but not autistic).

Brownie - posted on 03/26/2010

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I strongly believe that the MMR vaccine was the cause of my sons autism. I gave birth to a perfect baby/ perfect apgar scores......he was on target as expected......then he was vacinnated and his development changed.... he went into a place in which on one could reach him and then there was autism.....

JoAnn - posted on 03/26/2010

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Autism is definitely Genetic. There was a Publication in a Medical Journal in England which stated a link...this year it was taken out of the Journal and the Doctor was labeled as being careless since their was no proof. My son has Aspergers/High Functioning Autism. If you find one family member with it, you will find others within the family (siblings, uncles, aunts, cousins, even 2nd cousins). My husband thinks he has it but it was never been diagnosed. My husband has a number of family members on the Autism Spectrum which we didn't know until I was talking with them on FB. I hope this helps. Good luck!

Jenny - posted on 03/26/2010

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I am a special education teacher. I believe that immunizations are linked to autism. I think that some people have an immune system that is weaker than others, and that when the immunizations are introduced to the body, it triggers the autism. Have you read the book by Jenny McCarthy? She also suggests this about people on the autism spectrum.

I am wondering how many children there are who have autism and have never had an immunization. They are harder to come by, and autism is not as common in third world countries where children are on receiving immunizations.

Thanks for the question, good luck.

Cathy - posted on 03/26/2010

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I do believe that it does. My son was fine until he received all of his shots and he has been diagnosed with Autism and Asbergers Syndrome and ADHD. It has been very difficult for him and everyone around him.

Barbara - posted on 03/26/2010

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I believe there is a link here. When I gave birth to my oldest child (daughter), I had to be induced with the synthetic version of ocytocin, either Pitocin, or Dinoprostone. I don't remember what they used. I also vowed I would not take anything for the pain, but during the transition period, I could not bear the pain anymore. Within the last hour of labor, they gave me Demerol. In all honesty I hardly remember my daughter being born, because I was so drugged up, but I do remember the panic in the staff when my daughter had the cord wrapped around her tiny neck. What made it so stressful for everyone, was that my doctor was not there on time to deliver her. They had to call an inexperienced intern.



My daughter may have suffered diffused hypoxia. (short period of lack of oxygen to the brain). My daughter had difficulty getting to sleep in the first year of her life. From the time she was a toddler and up she has always had difficulty with her attention span. I hate labels, but she did suffer from ADD/ADHD.



My daughter is now 22, and she is still having some difficulty with her attention span, and her thought process is off alot of the time, but hormonal factors may come into play as well. But she notices that her thinking is better when she eats healthy, and takes certain supplements along with alot of other things.



I believe there is a link to the drugs/vaccines being subjected into our babies/children's brains. Also the drugs the mother takes, crosses the blood/brain barrier in vitro. (while she is pregnant). The brain is such a sensitive organ comprised of mostly fat. Even though my daughter does not have Autism, she still had some form of brain abnormality. ( It may depend on what part of the brain was effected). With my other child, he was a total natural birth. No drugs of any kind, and did not have the cord wrapped around his neck. He was the perfect baby as far as behaviour was concerned, and displayed no abnormalities in his thinking and learning.



I am not sure I totally think there is a genetic disposition to Autism. I do however think that the health of the mother may play a factor, and not so much in the genes that are carried down from the family. What the mother puts into her body while she is pregnant will no doubt effect the baby's health. My other observation is that this problem of Autism/ ADD/ADHD has only prevailed in the last 100-150 years, this is about the same time the pharmacuetical companies came into being. Our conventional medical system is mostly focused on drugs and eliminating the symptoms, instead of finding the true cause.



Our bodies/brains have been subjected to more damage during this period, due to drugs, heavy metals, chemicals, poor diets, particularly simple sugars. I think the best thing for children with these forms of brain abnormalities is to focus on feeding them nutritious foods. (more fruits and vegetables, preferrably organic, certain herbs, supplements including Omega 3), Drinking mostly water to flush out impurities, instead of all the soft drinks the kids drink now. Getting back to the natural ways is likely the best solution in helping children with this problem. As well we know even adults can benefit as well.

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I have raised five children who have all had vaccines. The youngest, 11, has Asperger's and I am still waiting for a diagnosis on the 12 year old who also exhibits a lot of "autistic traits" but right now it is ADHD and mood disorder NOS. The other three were fairly neuro typical. The ages are 30, 22, 20, 12. and 11. The 11 year old exhibited autistic traits practically from birth. I think it was the fact that he was youngest helped me to recognize that something was not quite right. The one thing that I did notice though is that he started having a lot of gastrointestinal issues after the vaccines. I have often wondered how many children have those issues. I am still working on toilet training with him.

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Even The Lancet has finally recognized the panic that their article has needlessly created. The studies results are not reproducible, despite MANY attempts. There are MANY flaws in the study design.

I'm not saying that it wasn't a bad thought -- the timing for the apparent onset of symptoms is similar to the time children receive the MMR vaccine. However, usually, video footage shows that these children were already affected.

I have a neurotypical nearly 5-year old son and severely autistic 3 year old girl/boy twins. All of my children received their vaccines when our pediatrician recommended them. When we learned that the twins were autistic, I asked her about the vaccines, specifically the MMR. She gave me several books to read and I read those as well as others and they all were saying the same thing. Even the ones that were saying that vaccines were to blame, weren't providing anything resembling any evidence.

I'm an epidemiologist by education (although not quite by profession). I read the original source articles as well (the one in The Lancet as well as several other trials that attempted to reproduce those results). There were just so many flaws. And the lack of statistical power of Andrew Wakefield's study is appalling. And before anyone argues about using statistics, THAT'S WHAT RESEARCH IS ABOUT. If something shows a result, that is because STATISTICS say there is a significant difference between the groups.

So, no, I don't believe that vaccines (specifically the MMR) has ANYTHING to do with autism. Genetics play a role, but is not exclusive. I think that there are many other factors that haven't been identified that can contribute. I really hope that people take their lead from The Lancet's retraction and start looking at other causes of autism so that we can finally find some real answers and REALLY start helping our kids.

(sorry for anything said here that may offend -- that was not intended. I know this is a "hot topic" with a lot of emotion behind it -- I'm no exception, I'm just on the opposite side from many who refers to it as such).

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Washington, DC - In its pursuit of banning all use of mercury in medicine., Health care providers seemed to be largely unaware of the continuing presence of mercury in vaccines and that these providers often failed to accurately disclose the known risks to the patient from these Thimerosal-containing vaccines, which ar...e specifically recommended for pregnant women and children.

Amy - posted on 03/25/2010

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NO, NO. And NO. Genetics, maternal age, and low levels of the hormone pitocin (which probably is caused in utero) are the major players. My daughter was diagnosed with Asperger's at age 12, but I could see the signs before she was 6 months old.

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The MMR was a major trigger factor contributing to my son's autism. The question you ask however is based on premises that are fundamentally flawed, as we now understand that genes are not static. They can be turned on and off by environmental factors--such as vaccines and other toxic exposures.

In the course of working to recover my son from autism (a 6 year journey) and working with many other families of children with autism and doing enormous research on this subject, I have learned that the underlying premise of vaccines is fundamentally flawed. The immune system does not work by simply producing antibodies in response to foreign bodies. Vaccines only harm our immune system. The diseases said to be done away with my them were already dying their due course anyway (as all diseases like that have done over the course of history).

Autism is fundamentally an autoimmune disease that causes chronic inflammation. That skewed immune response can be provoked in any child with a genetic propensity by introducing toxins and foreign bodies (such as live viruses like the MMR).

Fortunately just as toxic exposures can turn on and turn off genes, we can take measures to reverse the damage.

Lisa - posted on 03/25/2010

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I completely agree that some schools correctly diagnose a child. My son was diagnosed by a Neurologist, and that diagnosis was backed up by the school.

What really troubled me about my son's "School Diagnosis" is that my son's school, Warren Consolidated Schools, (Warren, MI and I am not scared to say it because we are talking about the 3rd largest city in the state) told me strait out that they don't care what a Neurologist, Pediatrician, or Psychiatrist says about your child. They make their own diagnosis. Basically, if my son's Neuro said No ASD, the school would still go against the Doc and Diagnose ASD. They wont even look at Doctor's Reports or recomendations. This really opens up a can of worms for some parents who's children may be denied special services or forced into special services.

I have a friend who lives in my area. Her son was diagnosed by Warren Con as Autistic and was put into special classrooms due to his "needs". When she moved to a neighboring City and attemped to get her son into the same type classroom the school insisted on retesting the child. The new school said no special servies. The child was then taken to a Neuro and the Neuro said no ASD. It turns out the child was extreamly withdrawn because of other personal factors. (the child had a speach issue which caused him to be made fun of so he withdrew from his peers)

It is this type of over zelous diagnosis that really leads me to question if we are over diagnosing our children. When I was in school the "Fad" diagnosis was ADD and ADHD. (anyone remember this) we medicated a whole generation of lively children because teachers didn't want to be bothered with spirited children. Now we have issues with the quiet children.

Jessica - posted on 03/25/2010

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Interesting point about the schools, Lisa. Our son was diagnosed by his school, but reading the list of associated behaviors was like reading a book called "All the Odd Things Your Kid Does That You've Never Known How To Explain." My own research confirmed the diagnosis beyond any doubt. But you're right that a lot of schools have diagnosed children with different kinds of intelligence or social skills as "special needs," whether for funding or to explain why they can't handle them. The first school our son went to, for kindergarten, completely failed him. They thought he was a discipline problem with anger issues, and they felt it was our fault and our responsibility to "fix him." Within a month at the new school for 1st grade, they called us in and gave us the diagnosis. So it was obviously evident for what it was before; the other school just completely failed to catch it or try to help.

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