Vaccinations

Holly - posted on 01/07/2009 ( 44 moms have responded )

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I know I am going to hit nerves with this subject. My husband and I have two sons, Arthur who will be 5 in February and Joshua who just turned 3. Arthur has a mild form of Autism and he is due for his kindergarten immunizations. Now I am torn between doing them and not doing them. On one hand will they cause a setback? On the other hand will he die from something I could have prevented? Does anyone know if certain vaccines are worse on a child with Autism than others?

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Holly - posted on 12/20/2011

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Hello Holly, I have done a lot of research on this subject, because my 6 year old daughter has a mild form of Autism, and also ADHD, In the research and the doctors I have seen, I have decided to stop Vaccinations with my children 4 years ago, I have a 15year old, a 10 year old, and a 6 year old. I do paperwork with the state so the school system cannot force me to give my children these. I strongly believe that the vaccination cause more problems than what they do good. Since I stopped all vaccinations flu included, my children have not been sick, allergies have disappeared, It amazing of how much better they feel, behavior has also improved. You can go to a website that is Nuerosensory centers of america and listen to some of Dr. Kendall Stewarts webcasts, they are very enlightening. My children have also learned so much better in school and they have been able to focus, and grades are up! So please just research and make your own decisions, also the MMR shot is the worst of all of them. And something else that might make you research this topic more, is when we were children we receive vaccinations, but not more than our body could handle, these immunizations are way more than these childrens bodys can supress it is not the same ones as when we were vaccinated. I hope this helps. Please listen to the Pod-casts from Dr. Kendell Stewart from Nuerosensory centers of america!

Erin - posted on 12/19/2011

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Autism or death from measles? Well, since vaccinations DO NOT cause autism, I guess I'll vaccinate!

Sharlene - posted on 10/27/2011

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Hi . My son is the age of 8yrs old has autsim spertrum. Since birth his had all his vaccines no problems.Cheers

Angie - posted on 10/22/2011

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You can't disregard thousands of parents who say they had a perfectly healthy child until they went for their round of vaccinations and their child was never the same. You also can not disregard all of the VAERS submissions of adverse reactions to vaccines. Parents are not stupid. I think we need to stop saying that there is not enough research to prove that vaccines cause autism. The truth is, there is not enough research to disprove that vaccines cause autism or other neurological disorders. I do believe that some children are predisposed and vaccines act as triggers. Its a hard call. I chose to vaccinate at a slow pace. Every 6 months. My baby is now 10 months and I am debating if i should wait until 2 years old to continue his vaccines.

Amanda - posted on 08/24/2011

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There is no medical proof that vaccines even are the reasons that diseases stopped. The diseases were even beginning to be on a downward spiral with society getting back to normal before vaccines would even be made to so call 'stop' the disease. Don't believe the big pharma money camp. Vaccines don't even cover all the strains of some diseases, and if they work why does the population that gets the diseases have more people in it that got the vaccine for the disease they have than people that aren't vaccinated? Stay away from vaccines. Get your opt-out form from your local health department. Just tell them it's your religion. Almost every state has religious exemption. I made my religion to not include vaccines. My daughter got all of her vaccines on time until she was 2, and now she has autism. No more vaccines for she or I ever.

Angela - posted on 01/15/2009

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My sister has two children with SEVERE Autism. Her middle child had all vaccinations and is severe. So for her last child she did NO vaccinations and he is more severe than the middle child. So... the child without shots is worse than the child with. To me, it doesn't sound like it's the vaccinations. But, that's just my opinion. Have a great night!

Leanne - posted on 01/15/2009

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Well because alot of parents didn't give their children the injection over in the UK when it all started comin out about Autism and the jabs, we now have an outbreak of measels over here, I toook my son to have the jab and personally I agree with Bonnie Lynn, there is NO proof there is a connection, as soon as some1 makes assumptions about something bad we all start believin it :o( It has crossed my mind many a time if it was the jabs fault. My little boy is the way he is because hes just that little bit extra special and unfortunatly has this disability!!! Has any ever thought about it being in the genes in the family. Since havin my son I have notice he is just like my little brother when my brother was that age and even to this day hes still like it, not only that I have noticed it in cousins too all on my mothers side. People need to stop listening to the news and rumours and start thinkin for themselevs and stop puttin their children at risk by not givin them the jabs just because it maybe linked to Autism.

Leanne - posted on 01/15/2009

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Well because alot of parents didn't give their children the injection over in the UK when it all started comin out about Autism and the jabs, we now have an outbreak of measels over here, I toook my son to have the jab and personally I agree with Bonnie Lynn, there is NO proof there is a connection, as soon as some1 makes assumptions about something bad we all start believin it :o( It has crossed my mind many a time if it was the jabs fault. My little boy is the way he is because hes just that little bit extra special and unfortunatly has this disability!!! Has any ever thought about it being in the genes in the family. Since havin my son I have notice he is just like my little brother when my brother was that age and even to this day hes still like it, not only that I have noticed it in cousins too all on my mothers side. People need to stop listening to the news and rumours and start thinkin for themselevs and stop puttin their children at risk by not givin them the jabs just because it maybe linked to Autism.

Niki - posted on 01/14/2009

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Hi, my 10 year old has aspergers and ADHD. I gave him the vacinations when he was younger and within days of having the contraversial MMR jab his entire personality changed. He went from a happy go lucky 'normal' little boy to a highly strung, stressed out and hyperactive one. I personally believe that the jab brought out the conditions and made them more noticable but i think he would have developed them eventually anyway. I now have a baby and I will still give her the vacinations. The consequences of not and them getting measles or mumps is greater that the risk of them getting autism. Anyway despite his conditions, Josh has grown into a worderful, intelligent and pollite child. He has his moments but all kids do. My advice is always give them the vaccinations.

Venetia - posted on 01/14/2009

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I don't like Jenny Mcarthy because she treats autism like its a disease. It is a disability. I have worked with adults who have autism. We can get our kids the help them to learn how to funciton in the world as we know it to maybe even function to the point that they can live on their own. There is no CURE for disabilities except through therapy and maybe diet. Autism has been around for centuries and will be around for many more to come just like down syndrome, another common disability. I liked Miss Mcarthy until I saw the headline on how her son was cured of autism. She is giving false hope to something that is not possible. Children with autism can learn to function as regular normal functioning adults but there will always be the autistic tendicies no matter what happens. This information was given to me by my son's former peditican who has experience with children with autism. I doubt my uncle would have recommended him to me if the doctor didn't know what he was doing.

Gabriella - posted on 01/14/2009

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Stacy - I recommend Dr. Sears - The Vaccine Book - He offers a great wealth of information on an alternate vaccine plan. He is also my boys' doctor and he is fabulous. Great website too. It is great that you did not allow that HEP B shot at birth bc that is a totally unneeded shot unless the mom has Hep B. It has TONS and TONS of aluminum in it.

Stacy - posted on 01/14/2009

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I saw Jenny McCarthy on t.v. a while ago, I was prego at the time and found out about a month later I was having a boy. Ever since then I have been concerned about vaccines and when to have my son receive them. I researched the internet ALOT and found a couple good books. I have read all of Jenny books and an currently into the newset one, " Mother Warriors" I did not allow any shots at birth and no vaccines until he was 3 months old. I then had him in every 2 months until he was up to date. He is about to turn 1 year old and is perfectly healthy. So I am not sure about the kindergarten shots, But the internet helped me alot. I know how the subject is touchy, but the books helped and very helpful to understand everone's side.

Hope the best for u and ur boys!

Bonnie - posted on 01/14/2009

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if the link does not work add the extra numbers at the end of the web address

Jessica - posted on 01/14/2009

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My son is on the autism spectrum and he has gotten and will continue to get all of his vaccines.  My daughter is 13 months old, and watching her grow and learn has made me realize that my son showed symptoms from a very early age.  He never had eye contact the way she does, he never interacted the way she does, he never waved at people, or did anything like that.  But because he was my first, I didn't know that something was missing.  Looking back on it, something was off from the start.  He did not get sick b/c of his vaccines.



I vaccinate my kids b/c with much soul searching I know that I would not be able to live with myself if they were unvaccinated and got sick.  My son's first babysitter lost her otherwise healthy teenage daughter to the measles (we were living overseas, where it is more prevalent.)  She beat herself up every day about not vaccinating her daughter.  My son is due to get his boosters in a few months, and he will get them on time. I do think if I had noticed a regression in my son after his vaccinations, I might feel differently.  But since I feel he has had this since he was born, I'm not worried about the shots.



Good luck making a very hard decision.

Michelle - posted on 01/13/2009

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I agonized over this with my 5 year old son. Ultimately, he got the vaccines because I couldn't decide and felt too pressured to do anything else. He won't be getting any more. We saw no further regression or problems with the 5 y.o. needles, but he only got one as he has chicken pox as a baby.



For my 2nd child (not ASD), he won't be getting 5 y.o. needles without titers.

Gabriella - posted on 01/13/2009

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and two new studies show the HiB Vaccine increases risk in childhood diabetes especially in insulin dependent families



http://www.naturalnews.com/023902.html



Vaccines Found to Cause Diabetes in Children



In the more recent study, Classen examined data on the same vaccine, this time looking only at children who had a sibling with Type 2 diabetes. He found that the hemophilus vaccine led to an extra case of diabetes in one of every 50 such children, or 2 percent. This is 40 times higher than the already-elevated rate found in the Autoimmunity study.

Gabriella - posted on 01/13/2009

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A new article for you all to read



http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/01/olmst...



This article came out this morning. One of the most interesting comments is that "In the real world, children rarely get two viral illnesses at once -- for instance, chickenpox and rubella. But when they do, viruses tend to interact -- or interfere -- with each other in unpredictable and synergistic ways."



And then the scariest is, "And just last month, Merck said it would stop making the individual MMR component shots including, of course, the mumps shot. That leaves the MMR as the only vaccine in town, and it means there will no longer be a mumps vaccine formulation on the market with the dose the MMR contained from 1990 to 2007. None of this might matter if not for the fact that measles is capable of causing cause catastrophic brain damage and death; that's an argument for the measles vaccine. In medical parlance, it's a neurotoxic virus."

Venetia - posted on 01/11/2009

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Hi Holly,



I hope you are able to develop you two are doing your own research? I was talking to my sister who is an Registered Nurse in the psych ward here in Bismarck at one of the hospitals. I told her about your dilemma. She told me she has done research into Autism and the vaccine "connection." She told me she couldn't find anything about it in the nurse's journals. She also has children with some kind of autism disorder coming in there often. She and the rest of my family are leaning towards the gene theory. As for the law case, the only reason I can think that the court awarded the people their money is because they must of presented enough evidence (expert witnesses and a bunch of paper work) to prove to the judge to make him believe them. Autism has been around for centuries. The only reason we are seeing an increase in diagnose is because the spectrum has been widened to include asperbergers back 1994 or was 1995. I still think you should do what you feel is best. If you are leery about giving you kid the shot don't. Just make sure you weigh you options though. Small pox is still out there, my friend got it and lost her baby. I am not telling you to get them I am just say think and decide for youself. Do what you believe is best not what everyone else thinks is best. Hope this helps you out a bit more. Oh my sister is currantly going back to college to become a nurse practioner. Good Luck with whatever you decide.

Bonnie - posted on 01/10/2009

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Hey Teresa,

Do you think that George Bush planned 911? Or maybe the Moon Landing was faked??? You do not have to agree with my opinions, but the fact is, the link between Autism and Vaccinations cannot be proven. Vaccination of your children is a personal choice... Just on that, here is Australia, you can't send your kids to daycare or most schools without vaccinations. Personally, I think that advising parents not to get their kids vaccinated is a big call. Are the vacs really worse than the diseases they prevent?

Banh - posted on 01/09/2009

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Hi Holly,



I have posted this response before...so here it is again.  Both my kids have not had any shots, not even Vitamin K.  My son is 3.5 and he is in the middle of the spectrum.  My daughter is 15 months old and shows no signs of having ASD or developmental issues, so far.  We got religious exemptions for both our kids.  I think genetics play a major role.  I am not taking a chance on the vaccine triggering something in my daughter.  We decided to wait until they are older (like 10 years old) before giving them any kind of vaccination. 



My husband and I immigrated to the US when we were very young.  Where we came from, vaccines were not a requirement.  I didn't receive my vaccines until I was 7 or 8 years old.  I think the body is better equipped to handle the vaccine when the immune system is a little more mature. 



Here's a scary thought - there is no guarantee that a vaccine can help prevent you from getting the disease you are vaccinated for.  Example - recently my niece had the whooping cough.  She's 7 years old and does not have her shots...so we expected she would get  whooping cough if there was an outbreak.  Several of her classmates who were vaccinated also got whooping cough.  No guarantees.  In the end...go with your gut feeling.  You know your son best.  If you can wait until he's older to get his shots...that's what I would recommend.  Unless you plan on taking him to a third world country where he can be exposed to these death-threatening diseases.  Best of luck!

Brandie - posted on 01/09/2009

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i thought about this befor bringing my 4 year old for his booster. my final decision was he is already autistic, do i realy need to chance his contracting other desieses on top of this? so we went for his booster. there was no regression what so ever, and he continues to improve daily. this is not telling you this is what you should do. but just letting you know how i came of my decision.  good luck in what ever you decide to do.

Jennifer - posted on 01/09/2009

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"First do no harm!"  The hippocratic oath.  



You can always do vaccines later, but you can never undo them once given.  We just don't know for sure.  --good luck!

Jennifer - posted on 01/09/2009

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From our experience with our son, we have come to a conclusion that all three of our children are genetically predisposed to neurologic issues and that the vaccines probably triggered a response.  Our oldest son and middle daughter both got vaccines through 4 years of age.  Since then, we have not given further vaccines.  Our youngest son has had no vaccines (he is now 4) and he is the only one of the three with absolutely no issues.  Our oldest child has Asperger's and our middle daughter has some neurologic issues with her eyes. 



What I have issues with in this area is the need for others to attack someone who does things differently than they do or who has read the same material as others and end up with a differing position and choice.  We are all parents.  We each have to carefully research our choices and do the best we can.  I have parents who vaccinate and others who selectively vaccinate and yet others who like us choose not to.  I do not fault others who make a different choice than I do.  I respect their right to make a different choice.  I think this issue is one that does not need the ugliness and attacking that it seems to bring out in some.  When parents start bashing other parents because they feel differently it makes the whole issue seem like we are fanatical parents when in reality we all just want the best for our children.

Jenn - posted on 01/09/2009

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I'm not sure as far as vaccines go, my son has autism, however; I don't think in our case that it was the vaccines that caused it. We have been doing the vaccines that his doctor recommends as they are recommended. I'm still reading up on vaccines causing autism because maybe I missed something, a sign or something.

Jen - posted on 01/08/2009

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I don't have a child with autism, but I did some research on it when my friend's son was diagnosed with PDD. I actually did a speech on it. The realization that vaccinations are one of the causes of autism is still a relatively new discovery and still being tested out. Like most everything Autism has environmental and hereditary causes. In my opinion vaccinations may have some effect on the cause of autism, but I don't think that it has a major effect. If your son has been vaccinated before and you don't think that his autism was affected by it, then I'd go ahead and vaccinate him again. You could maybe even just try one shot at a time to test how he reacts. It is completely up to you though. You know your son best and you know what is best for him. Good luck and I hope I could help a little bit.

Gabriella - posted on 01/08/2009

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No more shots for any children with any level of autism. It is just too risky,.



Read David Kirby's articles on the Military wanting to no longer give groups of lots of shots together bc they are poisoning healthy men and women. You can find them on the huffington post.



and this new article on MMR is interesting

http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/01/mmr-t...

Terri - posted on 01/08/2009

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My son's 3rd DTAP shot took half his words away...



the 4th shot took all but one away....



HE just turned 3.. I have no clue what he wants half the time... Working with PECS now...



HE also has constipation issues from MMR...



I have filled all forms to shot injury too!!!



I myself WONT give him anymore shots..
IF you want to it is your call...



IF you do them DO THEM ONE AT A TIME wait 2 or 3 months between them... IF you see something Duh.. STOP.....



I love my son too much to mess with him anymore... I though I was doing good.. I guess not....



I have an almost 17 year old who had all his shots.. NO probs.. but still each kid is different he did have MMR probs..



and NEVER another flu shot again for us

Claire - posted on 01/08/2009

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Hi Holly,



I understand your turmoil over this. My son has high functioning autism. He seemed to develop normally as a baby and started to speak the odd word by the time he was 15 months. I have camcorder footage of a cheeky little monkey who smiled and gave good eye contact. Then he had his MMR jab and he became withdrawn, the smile vanished and he didnt say a word until he was 4 years old. Now looking back even as a baby, he may have shown some asd traits...from crawling he had a fascination with the numbers on the vcr timer etc (he is mad about maths), or maybe he was just inquisitive (i dont know for sure)...but even if he was born autistic, I cant dismiss the changes we see in him on film and photo....I dont know if the jab regressed him in someway.



As I cant dismiss any link, he did not get the booster but it is a worry that I may have reduced his immunity to illness.



If it is the booster you are considering, a paediatrician did advise me that the jabs they receive as a baby will last in most cases til their teens, or even early adulthood so the booster is simply a precaution. A simple blood test can show what immunity children still have to help with your decision making.



Good luck with everything, Claire x

Venetia - posted on 01/08/2009

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I don't appreciate the attack on me or my thoughts. I came here gave my opinion and my experience and got jumped for it. I am just a single mother trying to do what is best for son with autism. Isn't that what we are all here for. I personally think all this vaccination crap is just that hype. It is just mass hesteria. I don't need this and I think you are rude to yell or berate people about their opinions. I say to the couple as I did before, consult a professional and see what they say about currant vaccinations and if the presevative is still added. I gave you my experience, the rest is up to you decide.

Alicia - posted on 01/08/2009

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I think we all just want the best for our babies. I personally, when my son was diagnosed with Autism decided not to accept it and faught like hell. I researched every possible cause and treatment and we started fighting.



I do think that the Center of disease control would hide things.. I have just read to much and when it comes to my kid I'm not taking chances. My husband said something once that made me realy think.. Look how much money would be lost if the common cold or even cancer was cured. Now I'm not saying the Government is withholding the cure for cancer, but the money thing did intrigue me. You find what you look for.. If you type up Vaccinations cause Autism is a load of crap on Google, that's what you will find. If you type in the contrary you will find many horror stories such seizures after an MMR (including one of my own children). You will also find many wonderful stories of children getting better, even cured of Autism.



I'm the kind of mom who finds stories of hope and fights like hell for my son.

Teresa - posted on 01/08/2009

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Are you people for real or are you paid to get on here with misinformation? What a joke.



Parents, Please read "Holler for Your Health". Everything is referenced so you can read the original studies and documents that ABSOLUTELY PROVE A LINK BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINATIONS>



Also, google Hannah Poling, the little girl who the courts ruled in favor of her autism coming from vaccinations. Of course, they claim she had a RARE condition (mitochondrial dysfunction), which is actually not rare and may be caused by the vaccines. Also, check out David Kirby. He posts alot  of great info on Huffington Post.



 



AND, in case these fake family bloggers try to discourage treatment, many autistic children are recovered by DAN! doctors.



A note to the false infiltrating bloggers: Don't you DARE discourage parents from protecting their beautiful children! The Lord above will hold you accountable for how you treat his children!



I am IRATE! This group is a joke. It does not intend to help parents at all if these are the people posting here. I am out!



Teresa



www.holler4health.com

Venetia - posted on 01/07/2009

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I agree with bonnie on this. I am leaning towards the genes theory. I learned from my former instructor about what cause autism in the brain. 

Venetia - posted on 01/07/2009

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Actually about a couple months ago I read an article one of the autism site that the theory of vaccinations causing autism was disproved. Besides the new vaccinaces don't have the presevative that the ones before 2003 had. I have done some research into this.  I got my son his shots before he started kindergarden. I didn't see any set backs or his condition getting any worse. I would say consult a professional on this. They would now the best. Personally I think you should trust your judgement and do what you think is best for your son. Also check the school's policies on immuziations

Lee - posted on 01/07/2009

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Just what you need is another opinion... :)  So here is mine... There hasn't been any scientific proof to link vaccinations with autism, but it is still a VERY stupid idea to inject children with ANY amount of mercury.  So make sure your pediatrician is using a non-themeresol version of the vaccinations your child needs and because it might still be a case of too many vaccinations at once, have your pediatrician space them out.  Give your child's body a chance to deal with them on at a time.  I never thought about it when it came time to get my son vaccinated the first three years of his life.  I always considered it my civic duty to get vaccinations in order to eradicate diseases from our civilization.  Now my son is 8 and is profoundly autistic.  I have gone back in the records and have found that luckily, my pediatrician never used vaccinations with themeresol (I know I'm spelling that wrong, but it's late and I'm too lazy to look it up) in them.  So he never was subjected to the mercury, but he did have many vaccinations at one time.  I try not to beat myself up for doing what I thought was best at the time.  Good for you for at least being aware and making a more informed decision.



 



Best of luck and good wishes.

Bonnie - posted on 01/07/2009

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Hi there, i am studing to be a nurse and I have a 7 yr old daughter with autism. I have looked into this subject, and medical research cannot find a link between autism and vaccinations, children with autism are born with it, their brains developed differently in the womb. the idea of vaccinations causing autism was first brought up by a doctor who had many theries on many things and all including this one were dis-proven.



I had 2 more children after my daughter and i was not woried at all about vaccinations, in fact what worries me more is my children getting the horrible diseases these vaccinations prevent.



good luck with everything, I hope this information helps you.

Julie - posted on 01/07/2009

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This is a personal decision, but for us in lieu of vaccinations, we had the titers checked for our kids.  It turned out that they still had super immunity.  I also took out a religious exemption.  I just could not take the chance of them regressing. 



HTH

Teresa - posted on 01/07/2009

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Please don't do anything without reading up on it yourself! PLEASE!

Try "Holler for Your Health" or "Evidence of Harm". The first will tell you about the role of a variety of common products in childhood illnesses and autism. The second just deals with vaccinations. Then read Dr Sears "The Vaccination Book" to see what the diseases can do. Please don't vaccinate in blind faith or trust doctors who have not read these books themselves.



I wish your children much health!

By the way,

Have you seen a Defeat Autism Now! doctor yet?

Check out my links at www.holler4health.com

Teresa

Alicia - posted on 01/07/2009

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I think I am in the middle here, not heated on either side of the subject. We decided to NOT vaccinate our son.. He has Autism..



Upon examining our son's medical records we discovered that he had 4 rounds of antibiotics and a pnemonia shot containing containing mercury. At the time we hadn't a clue he had Autism, although we did know he had a weak immune system. Since then our homeopathic doctors and writings on the web have told us high doses of antibiotics and certainly mercury can cause Autism in kids with weaker immune systems. I wish they would figure it out.. There should be a test.. ARHG.



I will tell you this.. My four older daughters have all thier shots and are fine.. I had a gut feeling with my son. I should have researched more and tried alternatives, but we do the best we can with the knowledge we have at the time. Trust your gut and do the best you can.



Nobody knows the real answers, but were getting close. Crossed fingersXX

Trisha - posted on 01/07/2009

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My son is 5 and will start kindergarten next year.  I am also on the fence about vaccinations.  My son needs to have three shots before he can begin school in August 2009.  We have a family friend who is a doctor and has a child with autism.  He said to give our son a shot one at a time and wait 2-3 months in between them.



Good luck with your decision.  It's a tough one.