What are the very regular signs of Aspergers - something everyone has?? We're not sure about our son.

Stephanie - posted on 02/02/2009 ( 3 moms have responded )

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Our 2nd child (of six) is 9yo and in 3rd grade. He attends a classical, advanced-education style charter school in a class of about 22 students. He needs some more 1-1 attention to help him succeed in class. His teacher has done very well but is wearing thin and also giving him so much more attention than the others that it's too much for the other students to have to deal with.



Academically, he's brilliant. Amazing memory and perception. He's began reading when he was 4yo but he struggles with reading comprehension. He loves to write stories but if asked to write about specific subjects he generally starts to wander off subject or just gives ridiculously short answers because it's almost too slow for him to take the time to think it through and write it out well. He understands many things the other children don't. They were listening to some very classical instrumental pieces (can't remember the composer) and they were to try to guess which piece represented which seasons of the year. He selected all four correctly while no one else did in the entire grade of 3 classes, including the teachers. His teacher pointed this out to me, lol.



Emotionally & socially, he is a immature and awkward in some ways. But in many he's right on with the average 9yo boy. He sometimes burst into tears dramatically if he starts feeling embarrassed and awkward in class (buy my completely normal 10yo son also started crying a lot in 3rd grade, too). He struggles with 1-1 conversations of just normal chatting. He generally likes to talk about whatever is on his mind, whether the other person has a clue what he's talking about or cares or is even listening. Sometimes he'll finish his conversation for a minutes or so after they've walked away already. Then he gets mad if they weren't listening. All of these sound normal but are not. He plays decently well with his siblings but he doesn't like to change types of play beyond what He wants to play.



Behaviorally, he tends to burst out with comments or noises and sound that he generally finds very funny and thinks others feel so, too. As an entertaining, slapstick kind of humor generally. He is a very sensative, kind, and sweet boy and doesn't get into trouble with anger or fighting. He does argue sometimes but mostly with kids. He doesn't hurt himself or others. He doesn't make messes, break things, or do things with his body that are strange at all beyond what a normal 9yo boys does. He has never had any physical disabilities.



It's very hard to pin-point what exactly is wrong. Because all of these things could be very normal, yet they are not. Anyone who spends time with him atter a while can usually tell there's something 'different' about him. His bad behavior definately often comes off as being disruptive, rude, bratty, or just the ADD kid in class. He might be ADD but he isn't hyper and he can focus on things if he's interested in them, he initiates it, or it's presented in short segments that keep his attention. Speeches and long talks lose him very quickly. He has to be re-focused to keep working on worksheets with every problem because he just doesn't want to do it and will not write anything or just goes into his own world of playing despite the fact that sometimes every other child is focused on writing quietly, or studying, or working on a group project.



He was a late talker and only spoke 6 words at 3yo. He was over 4 1/2 before he started having regular conversations beyond short answers and just following along. He was never defiant and never had tantrums. He quietly went along and we barely knew his personality beyond being a quiet, sweet boy who didn't mind playing alone yet liked to have his family nearby. We had him tested with specialists and an autism specialist as well and they said he was "PDD", were uncertain about Austistic, but he rated close to the scale. He's never been reevaluated because he's done decently well in school and in general. We actually qualified for social security (I think that's what it's called) but I actually never pursued it because I felt insulted as if they were saying, "We're sorry for your broken boy. Here's some money to compensate your time raising him."



But now in 3rd grade he's beginning to struggle severely with attention and focusing and we're taking him to the Ped. next week to find out what can be done to help him. At this point, he might fail 3rd grade but if that looks like what will happen, we'll pull him and homeschool him the remainder of the 3rd grade year. We did homeschool him for 1st grade. He does want to succeed but hates to do homework and school work and it seems to be mostly because of attention & interest. Again, that seems like many 3rd grade boys, lol.



I'd love any advice, similar experiences, and direction. Thanks!

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Diane - posted on 02/02/2009

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Hi, your child certainly has Aspergers traits. My son is quiet and not distruptive also although can react badly to change and as your son "only interested in his own games/conversation topic. My child struggles with reading and writing but a few children i know diagnosed are years ahead. Everyone is different. Some have great imagination/language skills, others are poor. Some can't mix well socially at all and others have the opposite social problems - they can maybe be over sociable.



You need to note every behavoiur you find different / situations etc and get him re-tested. It takes years for some children. I know my son has it to an extent but the specialists have yet to decide. He got assessed twice and his report all pointed to it but there were one or two strengths that held them off diagnosing. He might not get it till he's nearly 8, he has just turned 7.



Also, some children with ADD etc do not have to be hyper.



Can i ask, how the autism team tested him. I'd like to say a visit to see him at school is required as well as a 1 to 1 but i'm not sure if this always happens.



 



If he is happy at school i would not take him out as he needs to develop socially, where possible, i think school helps, there however is special schools for children who need it but i wouldn't home teach him.



Hope this is of some help.

Kerry - posted on 02/02/2009

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Autism kids  dont cope well with social and emotional issues, or learning and are often out of whack with where they should be for their age.  They dont like  to be held /touched, you see them flinch or physically aviod it.  Most often there is litte or no eye contact, they wont look at you when they are talking to you, they will look at the ground the ceiling the thing over your shoulder, but not at your eyes (maybe mum might have luck in this area but definatly not strangers*usually there can be an odd exception though).  GL see an autism specialist practise if there is one within your range/affordability.

Kerry - posted on 02/02/2009

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Hi Stephanie, If your sons academic work is up to scratch, why do you worry about passing grade 3?  Even with attention and focus problems there sounds like there should be no real problem with his grade level.  Perhaps you or the school is expecting too much of a young child?  With all of my 4 children (3 austism 1 Nuerotypical) I only expected that they learn to read write and count.  I have found that neither of my sons like to write and will avoid it wherever possible, so I would get them to write emails or the  sms messages that I needed sent.  This let me know that the only problems they had in that area were coordination, they could spell and make a semblance of a sentance if they wanted to, at school they just didnt want to. 



My oldest saw it as repeating himself, "the teacher knows that I know the answer, she just told it to me or /I just told her the answer, why should i write it down, is she stupid or something?"



So i mostly jsut let that one slide, tried not to worry and had his work examined verbally. I think all my sons wanted to do was get it over with, and all the extra "be nice and politically correct" sort of teaching/learning did for him was frustrate him with stuff, that just gets in the way of the answer.  They jsut want to get it answered and move on they dont want to spend an hour explaining why they should say the thing nicely! or why they should care for nicely.



The extent that each behaviour is taken to by autistic kids is what makes the difference.  Yes while young it seems the behaviour is actually that of a normal child, but because it is taken to the far end of extreme (in its supposed importance, or making certain that it is absolutely perfect, like writing and erasing every letter until it is copybook perfect to the point where the fingers might start to bleed) taking things so far tends to be an autistic's way.  Routines must be kept, if play time is 11.20 to 11.45 am then there needs to be a playtime for those exact hours, not from 11.22  until 11.47, thats not good enough, and the school or teacher is seen as a liar for not doing exactly as it says.



You say he never had tantrums? are you sure? did he hold breath to get what he wants, not speak to you for weeks because you did something he thought is wrong? throw things in the bin when he got frustrated?  Think about if it  is just violence he has not done, or does he just go along with what ever you tell him so that he doesnt need to be chastised.  What happenns if you tell him that his answer to a school homework question is wrong? These are all different ways that could cause a tantrum (of some sort)you might be lucky and just not seeing a violent child (yay thats great)!



gl K