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Elissa - posted on 12/11/2009

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Quoting Erika:



Quoting Carolina:

I think its great that all of you women breatfeed however I don't think it's right that society make us mothers who had no choice but to feed their baby formula inadequate and that we are basically poisoning our children with this falsified information about formula. I think the most important thing as a mother is to make sure that your baby is fed period and that can include formula too. Again I'm not here to put your wonderful group down I am just tired of being made to feel like I'm a bad mother because I didn't breastfeed my baby so thank you for letting me express my opinion and may god bless each and every single one of you and your beautiful children.





Sometimes breast feeding doesn't work out....we are lucky in this country that formula is readily available for our babies.  Long ago, if a woman couldn't breastfeed, she had to rely on a "wet nurse", or the baby would starve.  I am a strong supporter of breastfeeding, but it is good to know that there is a healthy alternative when breastfeeding doesn't work out for whatever reason.  I have nieces and nephews that were formula-fed and they are healthy children because they are loved and nurtured.  





The problem is not people formula feeding if they cant breastfeed - its that attitude that there is something wrong with breastfeeding and seeing bottlefeeding as the norm.  I know exactly 1 woman who honestly couldnt feed and many more who want to be able to drink, make dad do night feeds or a hundred other reasons.  It isn't bad parenting but please dont kid yourself - formula is a poor replacement which has many health issues associated with it.  Not to make this clear or to cover it up in case of offeding bottle feeders is wrong.



 



I was at a breastffeding group this morning at which a midwife was tlking about getting support for a woman who was 'determined' to breastfeed and the attitude that bottle feeding is ok is what makes women feel they have to be determined to do what comes naturally - that is heart-breaking and often women give up because mum, mum-in-law and partner gang up and convince her that 'she tried and it didn't work' when it gets hard.  I've had days where I couldn't face the next feed but luckily I had the support.



 



I wouldn't call anyone  bad parent when they think they are doing whats best but if getting food into them is all that matters we might as well feed them all burgers and chips to save arguing about vgetables too.  The simple facts are that few women cannot feed and formula milk has many many health problems - to ignore this to spare someones feelings is to lie.  I personally think formula should only be available on prescription for medical reasons.

Nicole - posted on 01/07/2010

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Heather, I clearly stated that when I posted this video, it was my intention to expose the formula for what it is, not to judge women who give formula to their children.

As for what you said about breastfeeding supposed to be easy: Well, it is SUPPOSED to be easy, but like Rebecca said, with breastfeeding numbers in the industrialized world being so dismal, not too many people have actually seen a baby at it's mother's breast and therefore, family and friend support is so absent, people think it's "gross" to know that a woman is breastfeeding, breastfeeding women are treated like child molesters or indecent when breastfeeding in public, there is not a lot of medical professionals who know a lot about breastfeeding, so it is very common to get tons of misinformation while breastfeeding and the list goes on.... and on.....

And yes, while everyone says "Breast is Best", most can't tell you WHY it's best. They'll quote "benefits" to breastfeeding instead of about the "risks" to formula. There are not "benefits" in breastmilk, it is what babies are SUPPOSED to get, therefore it does what it's job was intended to do: not make a baby "healthier", but make a baby "normal". The truth, and what no one says, is that formula makes people sick and there are lucky people out there who, for whatever reason (maybe genetics), aren't as sick as others who received formula, but it is still a RISK and why risk it? IF you have another option?

Yes, IF you have another option. There are a small, and I mean VERY small, portion of women out there who CANNOT breastfeed and breastmilk substitutes have to be used. But, even in that case, donor breastmilk is still 100 times better than formula! That is the reason for posting this video! It is to make people aware that formula is not a good substitute for mother's milk and if everyone became more aware maybe they would demand that donor breastmilk be more readily available. There are plenty of women, like myself, who porduce very well and are more than willing to donate. BUT, that would not still be enough donor milk for the women who CHOOSE not to breastfeed, but at least it would be an option for those who CAN NOT.

I don't know any lactivists (and never witnessed LLLI) who intend to use fear and propaganda to promote breastfeeding. We state the facts and if it scares people to know the awful truth about formula then maybe it should. It scares me!!! And I HATE the fact that I put the crap into the body of my eldest child!!! And it PISSES me off that I didn't know exactly what is in formula, the risks to giving that formula to my baby and that I trusted putting the CRAP into my child because the hospital staff recommended it. So it must be okay, right? I was made to feel that my milk was not sufficient enough and that the only way my baby would be healthy was to supplement with formula (which inevitably ended my breastfeeding altogether). Well, 3 babies later, I have NO problems producing milk!!! And realize that there was no problem before. If I had been given the right information, support and, yes, had the fear of the risks to formula feeding put into me, I would have worked 100 times harder at breastfeeding!

I do not want to make mother's who went through what I did with my first feel guilty (or to judge them), I just want SAVE some from feeling like I do now, 9 years down the road.

And, yes, I hope to scare those who are pregnant and on the fence for whatever reason about their feeding options into breastfeeding because I want the best for their child, too.

Sorry it's so long, but I hope I explained myself well.

Johnny - posted on 11/19/2009

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Quoting Melissa:

i dont really believe that a mothers milk supply can be inadequate, for thousands of years before man made formula everyone was breastfed. its the natural, normal way. SUPPLY AND DEMAND! i have had a breast reduction, major surgery and i am still breastfeeding. yes, it is nice for dad to take over and mom to get a break by using a bottle- which actually doesnt happen at my house because she wont even touch a bottle! lol. i dont mean to make formula moms feel inadequate, but why excuses? my nipples bled, they scabed, they burned, i pumped, i cried, ive felt exhausted, frustrated, angry, alone... but ive also felt so important and needed and perfectly at peace while feeding my baby and for all the hell it has taken to get to this comfortable place i wouldnt change it for the world!!!
it is a wonder to me why now as new mothers we say we will TRY to breastfeed, or IF I CAN I WILL. we should be saying I WILL not I WILL TRY...we women were born with breasts on our chests, not bottles in our hands. there needs to be more support for new moms around breastfeeding. i am very lucky to live in a city and province where it is so strongly encouraged and supported. i wish everyone could have the same support i have had through my experiene as a breastfeeding mother :)


You are very fortunate that you have been able to breastfeed without supplementing after surgery.  I have had 3 breast surgeries, and despite great efforts, was unable to nurse exclusively.  I pumped, took herbal galactogues, domperidone, and ate and drank every old-wives tale milk producing item.  I made more, but never enough to exclusively feed.  I had to supplement with some formula until she was old enough to be supplemented with solids instead.  I am still nursing (and pumping and taking domperidone) at 15 months.  But no amount of dedication or support is ever going to give me a sufficient supply.



I do think women should say I WILL breastfeed rather than I'LL TRY to breastfeed.  I am one that believes that every mother should breastfeed, even when you don't make enough, but unfortunately, there are many conditions that can prevent a mother from making enough milk.  I believe that women should nurse even if they need to supplement.  And there is nothing wrong with using an SNS to help supplement if you don't make enough or any milk.  Research has actually suggested that 2% of mothers are completely unable to make any milk, even with hormonal treatments.  So please do some more research on this issue.Take a look at www.bfar.org to read about women who have struggled to nurse after breast surgeries.  Some have succeeded, some have supplemented and some have failed. It all depends on the type of surgery you have had.  Please don't apply your experience to every woman. 



Before there was formula some babies died of starvation.  Some were nursed by a wetnurse.  Throughout history women have struggled with breastfeeding.  Less so than now, but it continues to happen, even in cultures where breastfeeding is the norm and there is no access to formula.  One of my friends works with a child nutrition program in Kenya which does some outreach to parts of Somalia.  She regularly encounters infants dying of malnutrition because of their mother's having inadequate milk supply due to various factors. If there is no one to help nurse them or provide some form of supplementation, they die. 



Formula should not be used for everyone, in fact, I tend to believe that it should only be given out by prescription to those who truly require it.  But let's not assume that because breastfeeding is a natural body process and the normal way to feed a child that it is without problems.  Just like some people don't produce tears, some don't produce breastmilk.  It is not common, but it definitely happens.



 



 

Johnny - posted on 11/18/2009

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Informing mothers of the risks of formula is not intended to put down mothers who feed formula. I had to use formula to supplement my daughter from birth until 5 months because I do not produce enough milk. Once she was receiving solids, I was able to stop formula and just breastfeed. I want mothers to know the FACTS about formula so that they can make informed choices about feeding their babies. Too often society teaches us that formula is just as good as breastmilk. It is not. But people believe that and choose to feed their baby with it. Many women *must* use formula. It is not always a choice. And it should be there for those that require it. Formula was originally designed to be there when a mother's milk was not in sufficient supply or there were other reasons that breastfeeding can not take place. The first formulas were used in orphanages to keep motherless infants alive. Formula is a vital necessity in some cases. But the rampant marketing campaigns which aim to convince every mother that formula is a good "choice" for infant feeding are doing damage to the health of our society. Breastfeeding and formula feeding mothers should be equally incensed that this industry is being allowed to market a product that should be a last resort as a first choice. This is not about making mothers feel badly, it's about stopping the formula industry from causing unnecessary health problems in out society. Please don't allow posts like this to make you feel inadequate. I failed to breastfeed exclusively but it doesn't make me a failure. I supplemented my daughter because I had to, I would have truly failed had she starved. I hope that people can realize that educating on the risks of formula is not an attack on mothers, but on the formula industry.

Adejoke - posted on 01/08/2010

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OOOOOuuucccccHHHHHH 'am sooooooooo booooored!! I think that most moms would ensure as much as possible that their babies are by all means healty. If this is a drive to make mothers who dont breastfeed/breastfeedless feel inadiquate it wont work on me!! From experience i know that the decision to breasfeed goes hand in hand with the desire and necessary support to do so. Personally, i am having a problem accepting that a baby who is properly fed a diet with the right nutirtional contents has a serious need to be breast fed, unless perharps such baby is ill. Breastfeeding a TWO year old is ridicoulous in my opinion, bonding et al!! All that information about the long term advantages of breatfeeding is dubious, if you ask me, data or not, i need to have first hand experience or information.

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Nicole - posted on 01/07/2010

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And I know that this is probably a touchy thing to say but a good many women CHOOSE to formula feed and are not like the small amount of women who cannot physically breastfeed. Most formula feeding mothers fall into 3 categories: 1) They choose not breastfeed because they couldn't be bothered with breastfeeding and if they were breastfeeding they could not pass their sweet baby off to someone else to care for (I provide my services to WIC and a lot of clients are very honest that this is the reason they do not breastfeed.), 2) they are victims of bad information, lack of education about breastfeeding, or receive little to no support with breastfeeding, or 3) they are victims of no laws in place in their area to support breastfeeding when returning to work. Maternity leave, for most, is not nearly long enough and breastfeeding may not even be properly established when they are required to return to work. Much less pumping or even an adequate storage of milk. And then if they do accomplish having breastfeeding established along with pumping and storing, they walk into their place of employment to find that their employer does not support breastfeeding and the working woman and is not required by law to do so. Because of these reasons and the blind eye that we have been turning to formula and the big business that it is, most feel that yes, while breastmilk is best, formula is almost as good.



So, about making donor milk more available (we both mentioned previously) is actually a very small part of what is needed to ensure that babies get what they are intended to: breastmilk. The move towards that goal include things like this video, exposing formula and hopefully making those that simply couldn't be bothered with breastfeeding open their eyes. It is requiring medical professionals to be more educated in breastfeeding, to PROMOTE breastfeeding, and to ensure that a mother is aware of the risks of feeding her baby formula. It is requiring our government to regulate the bad practices of the formula industries and put into place laws that protect the breastfeeding relationship between the working mother and her baby. (Oh, and as for the comment someone made that maybe WIC is willing to give formula so that the mothers could get out and work, well, if that's their goal, they are failing miserably!)



I feel so much sadness for you and other women that tried unsuccessfully to breastfeed. Especially, when they feel guilt about it. As another mom on here said to me, it should not be feelings of guilt but regret. I hope that will get better with time. Or, if it turns to anger like my regret has, maybe there will be more lactivists trying to change our country. =)



And Rebecca put up a link to the Best for Babes campaign. I think this was her solution (not argument) to some of these problems awaiting breastfeeding women. They are a great campaign. Also, the LLL works very hard to educate about breastfeeding and (while they receive no media attention, medals, etc. for it) they also work very hard to make laws that support and advocate for breastfeeding women.

Janice - posted on 01/05/2010

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Quoting rachel:

Amen!!! I didnt want a c-section and just because I hadnt delivered in 12 hrs they made me anyways. now I will never know the feeling of giving natural birth and holding my new baby in my arms without being drugged out of my mind. the whole experience was traumatizing.



Due to my daughters breech presentation I had a planned c-section. Although my experience wasn't horrible, Im definitely sad about not holding my baby right away. Thankfully I was able to nurse her in the recovery room less than an hour after her birth.  I have every intention of having a vaginal birth the next time around even though many people say im lucky to have not  gone through labor I disagree.

Heather - posted on 01/05/2010

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All Im saying is that maybe activists, and the LLL, need to change the approach that is used to get moms to BF, fear and propaganda are generally not effective ways to get people to join your cause...BF has been an issue for decades and not much has changed. I guess that my idea of being an activist, is to feel strongly about a subject, take a side, and try to change peoples thinking, or to change laws, or both. In order to do this, there has to be an argument and a solution...I hear your argument, but what is the solution? what can us moms do to change the formula situation? Posting over and over about the harm that comes from formula feeding and not providing a solution or alternative (for those of us who cant BF) or even supplying information on how we can change the way formula is made, or make regulations stricter, or how we can get affordable milk banks that are open to the general public, and not just reserved for sick babies...thats why I post in these communities, they are OPEN, if you dont want to hear others opinions that differ than yours, then dont allow this forum to be open.

Janice - posted on 01/05/2010

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Just an FYI about WIC. The governement is recognizing that many women are not breastfeeding. They are now limiting the amount of formula that WIC can give out and trying to offer more breastfeeding support. It's a step in the right direction...



I live in upstate NY and breastfeeding has become well supported. My MIL works for the state nutrition department and was constantly bringing home BF information for my SIL and me when we had our first children this year. I hope this trend continues and is happening elsewhere.

Lauren - posted on 01/05/2010

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I find the idea of making formula into prescription only an interesting one. My husband pointed out to me though that the government is probably so willing to spend so much money on formula through WIC so that the poor working class mothers can go back to work. I think he has a point. At the same time, things could most definitely be better!

Rebecca - posted on 01/05/2010

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Sorry that got so long, but I just HATE seeing people come into well-meaning breastfeeding info threads and claim that we're "making" them feel guilty! I felt that a proper rebuttal was needed.

Rebecca - posted on 01/05/2010

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Quoting heather:



I think it is funny that you use the word "endure"  when breast feeding is supposed to be this easy, natural thing that all mothers are just able to do, and there is no reason that someone should ever have a low supply, and if we are not able to EBF then we are just lazy, and we dont care about our children. I honestly dont get it...I was just recently pregnant, and I recall seeing "breast is best" everywhere, at my OB, at the L&D, in every parenting and baby mag., in every bit of literature I recieved, there was NOTHING that said to choose formula over breast milk...NOTHING! Even WIC PROMOTES breast feeding, In my WIC office, the walls are covered with reasons to breast feed and tips on how to BF...you can still get WIC while breastfeeding, they give the mother food. WIC is not just giving formula! The problem I have with mothers who are supposed to be "advocates" of BF is that some of you can not advocate without being judgmental...I dont recall one post from anyone unable to breast feed, that says anything against it, if anything, I see the BF moms attack the moms who cant...I have been attacked myself. I personally dont care what anyone says about my decision to not BF while taking BP meds that would hurt my baby, and hurt me by not taking them. My son needed to eat...so i fed him. I dont get why women who BF feel like they are so much better than moms who dont, and yes it does have to do ALOT with guilt and a feeling of failure, due to the constant reminder that "breast is best"  during your whole pregnancy and birth, if you are not able to breastfeed, then your LC and most of you BF moms look down at you and make condescending comments, which reinforce the guilt in these mothers, I really find it odd that you BF moms get so upset over a formula moms guilt...insensitive, to say the least!!!!!





Heather, I have already responded to some of your comments on the "Another Reason Breast is Best!" thread (http://www.circleofmoms.com/breastfeedin...) also in this group.  My heart goes out to any mom who wants to breastfeed but  faces a challenging medical situation and feels that she must use artificial milk. But I don't see why you keep coming into these threads, on a breastfeeding support forum, and complain about moms who are just trying to share information about the very REAL risks of commercial baby milk.  You obviously have a lot of pent-up emotions about your situation, but this is NOT the appropriate place to vent them. 



If sharing the truth offends or "makes" someone feel guilty, that is NOT our problem.  Sometimes lactivists may say things that you perceive as "judgmental."  But guess what, that's what we humans do, we JUDGE.  We observe a situation and we apply our own knowledge and experiences to form an opinion.  I seriously doubt you will find many lactivists who are interested in debating "how many challenges does a mom has to face before we can say that she tried "hard enough" before giving up?".  But yes, many of us do have less respect for a mom who chooses to use artificial milk because she feels it fits her lifestyle better, or who fails to educate herself and takes bad advice when faced with the slightest challenge.



You said on the other thread that you support breastfeeding, but I think you are hostile to lactivism in general.  You don't understand why we are interested in talking about infant formula. So why do we post videos exposing the artificial baby milk industry?  Why do we post lists of dangerous toxins found in artificial baby milk?  Why do we share the message that BREAST IS NORMAL, and anything else poses risks to mom and baby?  I can give you 3 good reasons:



1. The choice to forego breastfeeding is not just a personal issue, a "private decision" for a woman (and her husband/partner, if applicable) to make.  This is a PUBLIC health issue.  As this movie is trying to show, "formula-fed America" is suffering the ill effects of generations deprived of mother's milk.  Furthermore, our tax dollars are being diverted from worth programs, or better yet from my own pocket, as the US govt spends BILLIONS each year on infant formula through the WIC program.  Your local WIC office may promote breastfeeding, but that is not uniformly the case at all WIC offices -- it varies wildly by region based on cultural bias, funding, and the mindset of the leadership in that area -- and overall, fewer WIC moms are breastfeedin than the overall population (which is already a pitiful number).  So that means the hard-earned money of millions of Americans is being used to feed an inferior food to babies who will grow up to have higher rates of obesity, diabetes, allergies, cancer, and many other issues, which will further put a burden on our economy and our govt, especially since most of those children will never escape the poverty into which they were born and will therefore rely on the govt. for medical care.



2. Lactivisits have a heart!  It makes us sad to see or hear about babies and their families suffer the negative effects of formula feeding -- constipation, reflux, allergies, eczema, adverse reactions to DHA, the list goes on, especially if the decision to use formula was made without adequate information or because the mom did not have adequate support.  By talking about these issues, we might be able to educate and convince a pregnant woman who isn't fully committed to breastfeeding, or help a mom realize that breastfeeding her next baby is worth the struggle even though it "didn't work out" with her first (or second or third or whatever) baby.



3. We are trying to impact other moms and create a major shift toward breastfeeding being the CULTURAL norm, not just the biological norm.  We know this is best for babies and best for moms, and when you know the truth, it's hard to keep your mouth shut! And yes, we want this for selfish reasons, too -- because we look forward to a day when breastfeeding is so common that all these "nursing in public" debates just fade away, that doctors are forced to educate themselves and stop giving BAD advice to breastfeeding mothers, that hospitals realize they must adapt the Baby-Friendly Hospital Initiative guidelines or face a significant drop in revenue as moms choose somewhere else to have their babies, and when we are no longer in the lonely minority for doing what's RIGHT for our babies!



Finally, this is not directly related to exposing infant formula, but is a major reason that many moms become lactivists:



4. We are trying to raise awareness of the challenges faced by breastfeeding moms which, YES, must be endured if we're going to be successful (as I said on the other thread, if you're not aware of "negativity" toward breastfeeding moms, you seriously have your blinders on!).  No one here has said that breastfeeding is supposed to be easy.  YES, it's natural, but our culture has pushed it to the margins and much knowledge has been lost in the process.  Breastfeeding must be learned and without the proper education or exposure to other nursing moms, it can be quite challenging!  And just because you see "breast is best!" everywhere doesn't change all the competing forces and challenges in our society that push moms toward artificial milk:  the worst "maternity leave" policies in the Western world; the highest rates of in-hospital birth and c-section in the world; widespread lack of support and knowledge among the older generations; lack of regulation of the formula industry by our govt, including no enforcement of the WHO code on marketing of breastmilk substitues; and many more.  For more information on these issues, check out the Best for Babes "Booby Trap" awareness campaign:  http://www.bestforbabes.org/help-moms-be...

Heather - posted on 01/05/2010

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Quoting Elizabeth:



Quoting Nicole:

It is so telling that doing something as simple as posting this video, exposing the bad practices of formula companies, gets comments from moms who have given their children formula accusing the breastfeeding community of calling them bad mothers. That was not the point of posting this at all. It is to expose the formula companies for what they do. I think guilt is coming through in those comments.

Why is it we're allowed to endure the stares, comments, misinformation, etc. for breastfeeding and yet not be able to say anything bad about formula and formula feeding?





It is truly funny how we have to endure such and yet we cant promote bf without being accussed of trying to make those whom formula feed feel guilty. Honestly its ones own mind whom makes them feel guilty. Our advocacy is not what offends you its the fact that it makes you stop and think about the choices you have made.





I think it is funny that you use the word "endure"  when breast feeding is supposed to be this easy, natural thing that all mothers are just able to do, and there is no reason that someone should ever have a low supply, and if we are not able to EBF then we are just lazy, and we dont care about our children. I honestly dont get it...I was just recently pregnant, and I recall seeing "breast is best" everywhere, at my OB, at the L&D, in every parenting and baby mag., in every bit of literature I recieved, there was NOTHING that said to choose formula over breast milk...NOTHING! Even WIC PROMOTES breast feeding, In my WIC office, the walls are covered with reasons to breast feed and tips on how to BF...you can still get WIC while breastfeeding, they give the mother food. WIC is not just giving formula! The problem I have with mothers who are supposed to be "advocates" of BF is that some of you can not advocate without being judgmental...I dont recall one post from anyone unable to breast feed, that says anything against it, if anything, I see the BF moms attack the moms who cant...I have been attacked myself. I personally dont care what anyone says about my decision to not BF while taking BP meds that would hurt my baby, and hurt me by not taking them. My son needed to eat...so i fed him. I dont get why women who BF feel like they are so much better than moms who dont, and yes it does have to do ALOT with guilt and a feeling of failure, due to the constant reminder that "breast is best"  during your whole pregnancy and birth, if you are not able to breastfeed, then your LC and most of you BF moms look down at you and make condescending comments, which reinforce the guilt in these mothers, I really find it odd that you BF moms get so upset over a formula moms guilt...insensitive, to say the least!!!!!

Nicole - posted on 01/04/2010

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Quoting Selia:



Quoting Rebecca:












 




In any case, how do you know how healthy that cow was that made the milk used to make formula?  What kind of antibiotics or hormones were given to that cow?  What did that cow eat its whole life -- corn, or pig excrement? 



 









The cows eating corn thing, did you know that cows can't digest corn and eating it like they do puts them into a toxic metabolic acidosis, and then we use their milk for formula or give it straight to older kids! OR all those formulas that tout added DHA and ARA, they get those by using chemicals highly toxic to our environment to extract them from bacteria and fungus, charge way more, and no study has shown any difference being made when these are added and not naturally occuring like they are in breastmilk!





Yep once you know about what goes into formula or what they do to get formula, it gets pretty scary!

Nicole - posted on 01/04/2010

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Quoting rachel:



Quoting Nicole:

It is so telling that doing something as simple as posting this video, exposing the bad practices of formula companies, gets comments from moms who have given their children formula accusing the breastfeeding community of calling them bad mothers. That was not the point of posting this at all. It is to expose the formula companies for what they do. I think guilt is coming through in those comments.

Why is it we're allowed to endure the stares, comments, misinformation, etc. for breastfeeding and yet not be able to say anything bad about formula and formula feeding?





I totally agree....I had to deal with almost no support. a friend of mine ended up giving up on bf-ing because she had no idea about the lactation consultants in the hospital not to mention she was seperated from her son for like 8 hrs after she had him because of a slight fever. my opinion on this is so strong i refuse to talk about it with her anymore. she has a carefree attitude at this point  about it like its no big deal. there is no WAY they didnt let that baby eat for that long. so they had to of given him formula. and because she wasnt successful bf-ing, everytime i faced a challenge, she insisted that i switch to formula. of course i didnt listen. but i find it appauling that they never even gave her a chance because when we were both pregnant she was all about bf-ing. now I am planning on doing my clinical hrs to become a lactation consultant. I want to do everything in my power to stop those kinds of things from happening. I did share formula fed america with my local wic office as well and made some suggestions to show it in the waiting room to encourage more mothers to breast feed...they in turn offered me a job as a peer couserlor :)sorry for ranting...
i am just so passionate about this.





I agree about showing it in WIC.  I am a LC and a peer counselor for WIC, so do it if you feel you can.  Great oppurtunities in doing it and you will be helping others.  But, warning:  you will become even more of a lactivist!  LOL

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Quoting Rebecca:









 



In any case, how do you know how healthy that cow was that made the milk used to make formula?  What kind of antibiotics or hormones were given to that cow?  What did that cow eat its whole life -- corn, or pig excrement? 


 





The cows eating corn thing, did you know that cows can't digest corn and eating it like they do puts them into a toxic metabolic acidosis, and then we use their milk for formula or give it straight to older kids! OR all those formulas that tout added DHA and ARA, they get those by using chemicals highly toxic to our environment to extract them from bacteria and fungus, charge way more, and no study has shown any difference being made when these are added and not naturally occuring like they are in breastmilk!

Selia - posted on 01/04/2010

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I love how it pictures Similac Organic with DHA and ARA, when both those are synthetically cultured and therefore cannot be called organic.

Rachel - posted on 01/04/2010

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Quoting Nicole:

It is so telling that doing something as simple as posting this video, exposing the bad practices of formula companies, gets comments from moms who have given their children formula accusing the breastfeeding community of calling them bad mothers. That was not the point of posting this at all. It is to expose the formula companies for what they do. I think guilt is coming through in those comments.

Why is it we're allowed to endure the stares, comments, misinformation, etc. for breastfeeding and yet not be able to say anything bad about formula and formula feeding?


I totally agree....I had to deal with almost no support. a friend of mine ended up giving up on bf-ing because she had no idea about the lactation consultants in the hospital not to mention she was seperated from her son for like 8 hrs after she had him because of a slight fever. my opinion on this is so strong i refuse to talk about it with her anymore. she has a carefree attitude at this point  about it like its no big deal. there is no WAY they didnt let that baby eat for that long. so they had to of given him formula. and because she wasnt successful bf-ing, everytime i faced a challenge, she insisted that i switch to formula. of course i didnt listen. but i find it appauling that they never even gave her a chance because when we were both pregnant she was all about bf-ing. now I am planning on doing my clinical hrs to become a lactation consultant. I want to do everything in my power to stop those kinds of things from happening. I did share formula fed america with my local wic office as well and made some suggestions to show it in the waiting room to encourage more mothers to breast feed...they in turn offered me a job as a peer couserlor :)sorry for ranting...
i am just so passionate about this.

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Quoting Erika:



Sometimes breast feeding doesn't work out....we are lucky in this country that formula is readily available for our babies.  Long ago, if a woman couldn't breastfeed, she had to rely on a "wet nurse", or the baby would starve.  I am a strong supporter of breastfeeding, but it is good to know that there is a healthy alternative when breastfeeding doesn't work out for whatever reason.  I have nieces and nephews that were formula-fed and they are healthy children because they are loved and nurtured.  





 



I think that often breastfeeding "doesn't work out" precisely because substitutes are so "readily available" -- in every convenience store, drugstore, discount store, etc., not to mention freebies in our "going home' bags at the hospital and in every pediatrician's office.  The ads blanket our mommy magazines and bombard us during TV shows.  When artificial baby milk is so prevalent, giving up on breastfeeding is that much easier.  And I wouldn't excactly call formula a "healthy" alternative.  It prevents a baby from starving, but it comes with a host of health risks.



I also dislike your tone about wet nurses.  Wet nurses were usually employed by rich families, but in most communities, all the women supported each other and if necessary helped feed a baby if the mother died, was ill, or could not provide enough milk for her baby.  Of course our society finds this idea to be repulsive.  But the WHO actually ranks the milk of another mother AHEAD of artificial baby milk in order of preference for baby's health.  I do understand the concern about ensuring that donor milk is from a well-nourished, healthy woman who does not use drugs or alcohol, but banked milk meets these criteria.  In any case, how do you know how healthy that cow was that made the milk used to make formula?  What kind of antibiotics or hormones were given to that cow?  What did that cow eat its whole life -- corn, or pig excrement? 



The truth is that banked milk a better option that artificial milk when it's available, but for most women, that's not an option.  One day soon I hope to see more public and government support for milk banks -- ideally our government will one day enforce the WHO Code on formula companies, stop kow-towing to their influence, truly promote breastfeeding, and support non-profit milk banks over for-profit, unethical big pharma.

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Apparently my spelling suffers when too many people are talking to me - sorry

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Quoting Elissa:

I agree that most women who think they dont produce enough milk do and have said that i think formula feeding should be a last resort - I'm talking about the occassional bottle. I cant quote the exact study as it s information I have been given by the Breastfeeding Network. All I will say is that mothers exhaustion isn't just due to baby feeding, in fact my experience is that its everything else I'm expected to do because I'm off work that exhausts me.

What I'm saying is that if someone feels they have to supplement occassionally then it may not be ideal but why should they be made to feel terrible about themselves. In an ideal world formula would be prescription only and everyone would have the support they need but this is not an ideal world and if mixed feeding helps someone keep breastfeeding, rather than just giving up and going full hog with the bottle, then that should be supported - don't you think?

Again latching is of course an issue with cracked nipples and engorgement and so on and so forth but what I am trying to say is that the occassional bottle can save someones mental health enough to keep them going through the hard times. I know people who do it, say it helps them to have one quiet night a week where daddy can feed baby (a lot of women I know seem to have the same problem - baby refuses EBM but will take formula from the bottle) and they can actually sleep - according to them this keeps them feeding the rest of the week. While its not for everyone, I dont think they should be criticised for doing something that helps keep them breastfeeding.

I think there has been a misunderstanding about my meaning - hope this helps. Sorry I cant give exact references to studies - I would like to read them myself.



I'm not criticizing anyone for giving bottles.  That was not my intention.  I just wanted to share what I have learned about supplementation.  I have attended several conferences and training seminars and they have all said that supplementation, in most cases, can be detrimental to breastfeeding.  But, yes, if it will keep a woman breastfeeding to give an occasional  bottle, then by all means, I want her to do that!  Even better, if it's so occasional, why can't the bottle be of expressed breastmilk? 



I always want a woman to do whatever she feels she needs to do to be a good mother and I, now,  get what you are saying about the occasional bottle and I am glad you clarified.  It was just that in your first post, it sounded like you were telling moms that this study said supplementation as a whole would help maintain breastfeeding and that could be misinterpreted by some moms to mean that breastfeeding once or twice a day and giving formula the rest of the time would keep her breastfeeding.  Because in that case it will not.  Eventually her supply would deminish and she wouldn't give any breastfeedings at all.  That was all I wanted to clarify.



I still stick by the things I said previously about giving bottles when the breastfeeding is not going well (i.e. soreness, pain, milk supply issues, growth spurts).  Bottles should be avoided as much as they can during this time.  That's why when I teach my prenatal breastfeeding class, I always tell mother's to avoid artificial nipples for the first 4 weeks of breastfeeding unless for medical reasons, since this is when most of these things occur and breastfeeding is not yet well established.



I hope this helps and, again, I was just trying to clarify.  Sorry.  =(

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Thank you for that. When I was in college for child development, there was a study in a more poverty stricken country that bought into the formula thing. The babies were dying from drinking formula instead of breastmilk. Getting other foods and vitmins that formula babies get in this country aren't as ready available, so those babies were dying. Needless to say they went back to breastfeeding.



Yes, most people don't know that formula feeding is responsible for millions of deaths each year!  That's they have a hard time understanding someone's disgust for formula companies.  It's not a disgust in the mother who feeds her child formula, it's in the tactics of the formula companies.

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This video is something that every new mother my age needs to watch! I completely agree with them needing to show this in the hospital. I am only 18 with a 5 month old daughter and I am the only one of my group of friends who chose to exclusively breastfeed her. So many people my age go with formula from the day their kids are born (props to all the other girls my age who chose breastfeeding and i'm sorry if i offended anyone who doesn't or can't). I come from a family of breastfed babies and I think that helped a lot too, getting all the support that I did and still do to this day. People really just don't know the true and long term benefit of nursing, not to mention the strong bond you create with them!

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Thank you for that. When I was in college for child development, there was a study in a more poverty stricken country that bought into the formula thing. The babies were dying from drinking formula instead of breastmilk. Getting other foods and vitmins that formula babies get in this country aren't as ready available, so those babies were dying. Needless to say they went back to breastfeeding.

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this is a true look at how people react and dont understand what the relationship is between a breastfeed baby and mother

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I think its great that all of you women breatfeed however I don't think it's right that society make us mothers who had no choice but to feed their baby formula inadequate and that we are basically poisoning our children with this falsified information about formula. I think the most important thing as a mother is to make sure that your baby is fed period and that can include formula too. Again I'm not here to put your wonderful group down I am just tired of being made to feel like I'm a bad mother because I didn't breastfeed my baby so thank you for letting me express my opinion and may god bless each and every single one of you and your beautiful children.


Sometimes breast feeding doesn't work out....we are lucky in this country that formula is readily available for our babies.  Long ago, if a woman couldn't breastfeed, she had to rely on a "wet nurse", or the baby would starve.  I am a strong supporter of breastfeeding, but it is good to know that there is a healthy alternative when breastfeeding doesn't work out for whatever reason.  I have nieces and nephews that were formula-fed and they are healthy children because they are loved and nurtured.  

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I agree that most women who think they dont produce enough milk do and have said that i think formula feeding should be a last resort - I'm talking about the occassional bottle. I cant quote the exact study as it s information I have been given by the Breastfeeding Network. All I will say is that mothers exhaustion isn't just due to baby feeding, in fact my experience is that its everything else I'm expected to do because I'm off work that exhausts me.

What I'm saying is that if someone feels they have to supplement occassionally then it may not be ideal but why should they be made to feel terrible about themselves. In an ideal world formula would be prescription only and everyone would have the support they need but this is not an ideal world and if mixed feeding helps someone keep breastfeeding, rather than just giving up and going full hog with the bottle, then that should be supported - don't you think?

Again latching is of course an issue with cracked nipples and engorgement and so on and so forth but what I am trying to say is that the occassional bottle can save someones mental health enough to keep them going through the hard times. I know people who do it, say it helps them to have one quiet night a week where daddy can feed baby (a lot of women I know seem to have the same problem - baby refuses EBM but will take formula from the bottle) and they can actually sleep - according to them this keeps them feeding the rest of the week. While its not for everyone, I dont think they should be criticised for doing something that helps keep them breastfeeding.

I think there has been a misunderstanding about my meaning - hope this helps. Sorry I cant give exact references to studies - I would like to read them myself.

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Studies in Scotland suggest the opposite, that mixed feeding - when necessary, not just as a choice - can help breastfeeding for the following reasons.

1. If mother is exhausted, the pressure to give up breastfeeding altogether is higher, especially from relatives. Giving an occassional bottle relieves this pressure, gives mum a break and can help her maintain the rest of the time.

2. If mums nipples are cracked badly or there is an infection the advice is still to feed but sometimes the pain can be too much. Giving the odd bottle can give enough time to allow nipples to heal.

While I am all for exclusive breastfeeding and do it myself, I would be wary of any advice that is completely extreme and emotionally blackmails women. It is more about the individuals attitude. And studies suggest that any breastfeeding is better than none. Formula can interfere with milk supply if given all the time but the person i was replying to already has a supply problem and this is why formula was invented.

I express milk and am very successful - was born to be a milk machine I guess, but not all women are so lucky and it is that issue I am addressing and that only. Mixed feeding for other reasons is a different issue.


Would you happen to know where I may be able to read this study/studies?  Because it does counter my education.



About #1:  If a mother is exhausted because the baby has been eating very frequently, it is most likely due to a growth spurt or an already low milk supply and, therefore the mother should continue to breastfeed, not give formula, to get past this problem.  If she gives formula, because the baby is demanding more nursing, she misses that opportunity to allow the baby to let her body know what he/she needs and this, then, becomes a vicious cycle.



About #2:  If a mother has very sore/cracked/blistered/bleeding nipples, it is due to a bad latch.  This is usually only exagerated by the introduction of a bottle (i.e. nipple confusion, nipple preference).  So, with more pain, she will probably give more bottles and I don't know how any mother would not then do the obvious and stop breastfeeding altogether.  Also, most infections are caused from clogged ducts that have not been relieved.  If a woman with Mastitis stops breastfeeding because she has an infection, she will probably only increase her pain by causing engorgement.



Again, I would like to examine these studies more closely because I think the results are going to inadvertantly set many moms up for failure. 



I always say that I would much rather a mother supplement than not breastfeed at all, but I think the breastfeeding relationship should be focused on first.  Saying that giving bottles of formula will actually save the breastfeeding before understanding why she thinks she needs the bottles in the first place is, in my opinion, misleading.



In my 5 years of counseling breastfeeding mothers (counseling at least 5 per month-so roughly about 300 mothers), I know that one of the biggest obsticles to breastfeeding is that most women think they do not produce enough milk and they are usually wrong.  So when I hear that a mother is supplementing due to low milk supply, I usually think it is because her breasts were never allowed their potential OR the mother was mislead and they lost their potential due to early supplementation.  There ARE a small percentage of women who will never produce enough milk and it's usually due to abnormal breast growth (which is no or very little breast tissue-very rare) or severe breast trauma (accident, surgery, etc).  However, most women do not have these problems.  My point: instead of just telling these women that I'd rather they supplement than not breastfeed at all, I reccomend that they seek some advice or I offer to give them all the help that I can to increase their supply and reduce their stress and, maybe later, their regret.

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Studies in Scotland suggest the opposite, that mixed feeding - when necessary, not just as a choice - can help breastfeeding for the following reasons.

1. If mother is exhausted, the pressure to give up breastfeeding altogether is higher, especially from relatives. Giving an occassional bottle relieves this pressure, gives mum a break and can help her maintain the rest of the time.

2. If mums nipples are cracked badly or there is an infection the advice is still to feed but sometimes the pain can be too much. Giving the odd bottle can give enough time to allow nipples to heal.

While I am all for exclusive breastfeeding and do it myself, I would be wary of any advice that is completely extreme and emotionally blackmails women. It is more about the individuals attitude. And studies suggest that any breastfeeding is better than none. Formula can interfere with milk supply if given all the time but the person i was replying to already has a supply problem and this is why formula was invented.

I express milk and am very successful - was born to be a milk machine I guess, but not all women are so lucky and it is that issue I am addressing and that only. Mixed feeding for other reasons is a different issue.

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no one should worry about mixd feeding as it actually prolongues b/fding. It also allows u time to build up ur supply again.

i thought ayrshire was bad but america is scarey. i think of nit as the difference between giving the kids meat and veg or mcdonalds. nothing wrong with macd per se but ur gonna have consequences if thats all they eat.

well done for keeping going and using the formula to help, thats the only reason it was invented in the first place



I am confused by this comment???  When you say "mixed feeding", you are referring to breastfeeding and formula feeding, right?  Because, many studies have shown that supplementing breastfeeding with formula actually reduces breastfeeding duration.  Supplementing with formula usually reduces milk supply as well.  If a woman supplements with formula, she has missed a breastfeeding and everytime a woman misses a breastfeeding, she is not stimulating her breasts and, therefore, her breasts will start producing less milk.  So, if a mother needs to build up her supply again, she should be breastfeeding not formula feeding. 



I attended a LLL conference this past September and they quoted a study that had proven that just one bottle of formula can have dramatic negative results on the breastfeeding relationship!  Just one!  That is awful.  Now, this will not happen everytime and I have worked with several moms who have given far more than just one bottle of formula to their babies and have been able to go back to exclusive breastfeeding successfully, but there is enough evidence out there that no one supporting breastfeeding should ever support supplementing, save it for medical reasons, due to the negative effects it poses to breastfeeding.



I am not posting this to tell you that you are wrong, or to judge those who supplement, I am just trying to counter your opinion with my own and then others can decide for themselves.



If you or anyone else would like to know more about why just one bottle of formula can hurt the breastfeeding relationship, here is a great link to check out:



http://www.drjaygordon.com/development/b...

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no one should worry about mixd feeding as it actually prolongues b/fding. It also allows u time to build up ur supply again.



i thought ayrshire was bad but america is scarey. i think of nit as the difference between giving the kids meat and veg or mcdonalds. nothing wrong with macd per se but ur gonna have consequences if thats all they eat.



well done for keeping going and using the formula to help, thats the only reason it was invented in the first place

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And I thought formula feeding was bad hear in the U.K especially when they tried to make breastfeeding in public illiegal on the grounds of indecent exposure. A woman was actually stopped by the police for breatfedding in public last year.



You're actually protected by law when BFing in public in the UK. In Scotland its against the law to ask a mother to stop feeding her child milk (of any variety, breasmilk, formula, cows milk etc), including breastfeeding, in any public place that a child is permitted to be, up until the age of 2. Unfortunately in England (and I think Wales) the law is the same but only until the age of 6 months.

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this looks amazing...I had almost no support bf-ing. My husband is the only one that really encouraged me. People still try to set me up for failure when I say I am doing it until he is AT LEAST a yr old. Their response is always "we will see when he gets his teeth in" my response is always If I can make it through nipple confusion, I can do anything.


Hi Rachel, my daughter got her first tooth at 3months old she is now 11months has 6 front teeth and i still breast feed and will do until she stops. The biting really isnt that bad, and your right the first month of breast feeding is agony and its no where near as bad!! I had a c-section when my first child went in to distress i beleive that was because they was making me go into labour as i had pre ecamsia and was getting very ill, they stated me of at 6am i had my section at 3pm. But my second child was born naturally with no drugs just gas and air, they do say it hurts more giving birth after a section and there are risks but like you i just wanted to do it naturally. WWW.vbac.org.co.uk this website will give you alot more info. All the best for the future.

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Hi i live in uk, ive breastfed both my children and never bothered with formula at all, but all my friends use it i dont know any one my age that does breastfeed (im 24, 18 when i had my 1st), its easier for them to give them formula as it allows them to drink alcohol and leave their children with babysitters ect... But i wouldnt do it any other way! But they really should make a breast feeding advert that comes on a couple of times a day as i see formula advertised everywhere and the information they give is wrong, for example we have one advert saying that a child whould have to drink 10liters (i think) of cows milk to get their daily intake of iron but would only need one small cup of formula to get it!! It makes me so mad as you get iron from mest and veg not milk!!

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it would be good if they had more things to show new mums in the uk other than assuming they are going for forumla first. even the ladies that where handing out forumla in the hospital where shocked when i refused it and was breastfeeding.

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Quoting carla:



Quoting Nicole:




Quoting Cassie:

This is so awsome! I am so glad this movie is being done! America has allowed formula companies to give false information for too long! Women deserve to know the truth about formula, that way they can make an educated decision on how to feed their babies!... Can't wait to see it! Thanks for sharing!







I agree Cassie!  I was appalled when Enfamil introduced Restfull!!!  Especially when they have to know that giving babies stuff like that increases the risk of SIDS!  I can't believe that the FDA lets them get away with that stuff!










Its not just America that has this attitude towards infant nutrition. There is a brand of milk here in the UK that sells "good night milk" which is supposed to give babies a better nights sleep... its nonsense. Its thickened up with cereal!! I thought that was a choking hazard in a bottle. It does say 6 months plus but I still think its ridiculous.






Also the UK government have banned the advertising on formula aimed at babies under 6 months but they're allowed to advertise follow on milks intended for older babies, they make this stuff sound like its amazing. And not just that, they put it in very similar packaging to the formula intended for newborns so basically theyre advertising their whole range through one or two products. Why allow this? Just because the baby is no longer under 6 months does not mean breastfeeding should be replaced with formula, especially when the WHO recommends BFing up to the age of two. It really gets under my skin!!!






I wish they would make a similar movie for the UK where there is also an obesity problem and many people have asthma, allergies, diabetes and other problems that can be reduced by BFing.





When we were stationed in Germany we saw a "sleepy milk" (not sure if this is what it was called) it was geared for toddlers (2+ years) that had trouble sleeping.  The ingredient used was melatonin.  I never purchased it but my daughter  has suffered from chronic insomnia since she was 3 (shes now 7.5) and the Dr suggested melatonin.  B/c she didn't like the typical "give them benadryl" approach most Drs had.  



That was a product I could understand.  It had warning on it like a medicine "do not use more than 2 weeks with out asking a dr" etc etc......  



 



But for babies ?!?! Our FDA needs a serious over haul.   my kids slept through the night just fine (by that i mean an average of 4-5 hrs....that extra jump from the original 2 was GREAT lol)

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I agree..I think that formula should be last resort. not just because it hurts or because they just don't want to.

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Amen!!! I didnt want a c-section and just because I hadnt delivered in 12 hrs they made me anyways. now I will never know the feeling of giving natural birth and holding my new baby in my arms without being drugged out of my mind. the whole experience was traumatizing.

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this looks amazing...I had almost no support bf-ing. My husband is the only one that really encouraged me. People still try to set me up for failure when I say I am doing it until he is AT LEAST a yr old. Their response is always "we will see when he gets his teeth in" my response is always If I can make it through nipple confusion, I can do anything.

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I'm looking forward to this movie! I hope it is as good as BOBB, citing not just interviews, but including published scientific studies that support why BF is so much better.

Regarding the discussion about making moms who use formula feel bad or like they are being put down... I think a lot of this is emotional and perceived rather than fact. Yes, some BF mothers take a firm stance, are very aggressive and attack mothers who use formula for any reason. However, as a mom who didn't have support for BF, had to go back to work full-time just 5 weeks after my baby was born, had a difficult time with latch, and after 5 months finally felt without any option but formula, I can say that there is an underlying sadness and feeling like I failed. Hearing about all the benefits of breastfeeding brings up that sadness (call it regret, disappointment, whatever) and makes me feel bad. I wish I had known more, I wish I had learned about LLL earlier, I wish... I wish... I wish...

But, because I respect the science behind "breast is best" I don't allow myself to take it personally. It's like, well I could have done better, I wish I had known more and known where to turn for support and help with my bf problems, but I did the best I with what I had and pushed through for 5 months. Next time, I'll do better!

Because of how much better BF is and all the misinformation out there regarding formula, I think it is so important to share the truth - the unabridged, this is how it is, truth. The purpose is not to make moms who weren't able to BF feel bad (most of us already have a sadness or negative emotion about this naturally), but to re-educate the rest of society to improve the health of our nation's children.

It is a shame that the body is so sexualized that many women feel bf is unnatural. It is a shame that women are told/taught that formula is "just as good" as breast milk. It is a shame that breastfeeding mothers are made to feel outcasts/ashamed/embarrassed in public situations. It is a shame that doctors and hospitals - who know better - discourage moms who struggle with breastfeeding and cause them to give up prematurely. It is a shame that breastfeeding education is not automatically part of a maternity program. Mostly it is a shame that company profits are allowed to significantly influence public health decisions and miseducate millions of people world wide about what is truly the best option for their babies.

Formula is a necessary and vital resource for some moms/babies and I thank God for it! But, the aggressive advertising and pushing of formula lies (and other food lies) on mothers world wide is irresponsible and dangerous to our nation's future. Most Americans are brought up to believe in formula, dairy, and lots of hormone filled meat. Yet, the dietary principles we are taught from childhood cause cancer, obesity, loss of sexual function, poor quality of life as we age, allergies, asthma. diabetes and other health issues. At the root of it all is money and big business. It is about dang time that more was done to combat the misinformation constantly perpetuating our society. Our future depends on it.

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I would love to see this video when it comes out.

My baby was a lazy sucker when she was born and by 5 days old she was starving. I ended up in hospital because my milk dried up and I was depressed because I couldnt feed her (she is my last baby!). She would take formula from a bottle but not my breast.

With the help of the hospital they kept me in for 5 days and helped me with drugs to get my milk supply back up and expressing every 2 hours as well. It was painful and tiring but I was determined to feed her even if it had to be through expressed milk in a bottle. I went home with a pumping machine and expressed and fed her with a bottle every feed but before each feed I would offer her the breast first. After 2 weeks I noticed she was staying on the breast longer and taking less of the bottle. At 3 and a half weeks I had her totally breastfed again. It was one of the happiest times of my life!

It took a lot to make the hospital see how much breastfeeding meant to me ( I have breastfed all 4 of my children) and I had so many comments from people just telling me to put her on formula. But thankfully with help from the hospital and my perserverence, I was able to fully breastfeed.

I think sometimes mums do have low supplys and maybe if they are expressing for a bottle this is when they notice it because you never get as much for a bottle as you do from placing the baby at your breast.

I think a prescription for formula is a brilliant idea! It would mean it would only be used in cases of necessity not laziness. Thanks for all the wonderful discussions. :)

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I'm glad you are sticking it out. I wish you the best in your nursing relationship with your son. I hope you are the first of many more bfers in your family- you are a great example continuing through adverse conditions.

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America has a lot to learn!!! It is sad when it is common practice to have c-sections, and formula feed! You have to really stand up for natural birth, and breastfeeding--- and even then people will fight you... Good for all of the women out there that successfully breastfeed, and have natural births! I completely agree that the business of being born, and a supportive informative video about breastfeeding should be included in parenting classes/ childbirthing classes!!! If enough people start requesting them, it will happen!

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This does look good. They should make you watch this in the hospital. If only more people would understand the benefits of nursing.


We can help women make the right choice (when there is a choice, of course -- not talking about adoption or true medical inability to lactate sufficiently) and to seek out help, if needed, to continue nursing by first using the right language.  Nursing doesn't have "benefits" -- it's the biological norm.  It's the neutral choice, the way nature intended.  The truth is, formula is an artificial substitute which has RISKS.  Moms need to understand this so they are making their decision with ALL the information.



And where breastfeeding is truly not possible, moms should be able to weigh the risks of formula against other options, like banked milk. If more women understand the risks of formula, I believe we would see a rising demand for banked milk and support for milk banks, both private and public (ie, government funding).  The cultural change starts with education!



 



Check out this great link for more info about the language of breastfeeding:



 



The Language of Breastfeeding

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Quoting Elizabeth:

Regret is the word. I regret so much of my parenting with my son due to it being more IL pressured then my own thinking. I regret not sticking to my gut. Atleast some of you have a supportive husband when it comes to your parenting style, I do not and it causes alot of issues. It depresses me to hear so many of you have spouse or partners whom are so supportive and I get you read too much, or your a new age hippie blah blah blah. sigh


I am always sorry to hear that a woman does not have the support of her significant other when it comes to her decision making about her children.  Especially when it is in the best interest of their children.  I once had a client who's husband told her that she was being selfish by breastfeeding and that she just wanted to keep him from bonding with their child!  I felt so badly for her and tried to give her things to tell him to make him feel better, but he was unmoved.  I love that my husband is supportive of how I choose to parent our children, but the truth is, he's just lazy!  LOL  If I'm making all the decisions in parenting, he just has to come along for the ride.  i.e.  Breastfeeding means he doesn't have to get up in the middle of the night, he never has to give a baby a bottle, etc.;  baby-wearing means that I am usually carrying the baby; practicing elimination communication means that he doesn't have to potty train and he rarely has to mess with a dirty diaper; etc., etc.  You see, he is supportive because he doesn't have to do much, but spoil the kids and he is quick to admit it!  But luckily for me, it means a supportive hubby. 



I hope yours comes around and that you stick to your ideals.

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Regret is the word. I regret so much of my parenting with my son due to it being more IL pressured then my own thinking. I regret not sticking to my gut. Atleast some of you have a supportive husband when it comes to your parenting style, I do not and it causes alot of issues. It depresses me to hear so many of you have spouse or partners whom are so supportive and I get you read too much, or your a new age hippie blah blah blah. sigh

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Yes, regret is the right term. I regret that I knew so little 9 years ago... Not just about breastfeeding but parenting in general. I remember being so angry about all of the bad information that I had received with my first, that when I had my second child, I wouldn't leave him with ANYONE until I had my third child and was in the hospital! Now, if I ever have to leave my breastfed child with anyone due to emergencies, it is only with my mother-in-law (who supports my parenting style) and, of course, my husband. I will now leave my older children with other family members for short periods of time, but I still get the crazy looks when we discuss our parenting style. Oh well.

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No need to feel guilty about not having enough information to make an informed choice at the time. I think what you ladies feel is REGRET. Not guilt- guilt implies that you knew the facts and chose to ignore those facts to the detriment of your children.



I regret the way I parented my eldest as well. Because the way I parented her was based on bad information I received.

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Quoting Nicole:



Quoting Elanor:

hear hear! Nowadays it's all inclusive. one of the leaders of the childrens centre I worked at said 'all these breastfeeding posters are lovely, but they should have some bottle feeding posters, so as not to alienate those parents' - to which I replied 'well then lets replace the give up smoking posters, with advertising cigerattes posters, or the healthy eating ones with junk food ones!' When was the last time someone got a new baby greeting card with a breastfeeding mum on iy?






Agreed!!!!!!  The medical community is very quick to make mothers feel guilty about smoking while pregnant or smoking around their babies, but, "oh no! don't dare make a mother feel guitly for not breastfeeding!  How dare you???"  Not breastfeeding poses just as many health risks as second-hand smoke, but no one will come out and publicly say it.  And it is under the guise of "not making formula feeding mothers feel guilty", but really it's because there is too much money in formula and not enough in breastfeeding (like there is in smoking cessation).  And no one wants to dare make a mother feel guilty for not breastfeeding because they know that most mothers are tricked into formula feeding by the horrible tactics of the formula companies in the first place!






I'm not trying to put other mothers down for not breastfeeding or for giving their breastfed child formula, I am just trying to promote the wonderful benefits of breastfeeding!  I have 4 boys and I breastfed them all exclusively (currently breastfeeding the fourth), except my oldest.  He was being supplemented before we were even discharged from the hospital because of the misinformation from the medical staff and I quit breastfeeding when he was around 4 months, after months of struggling because of the supplementation and working full time.  And I feel guilty about it everyday!!!  Not because of the breastfeeding community, but because I can see the difference in my children all the time!  The difference in their health, my bond with them, etc. 






Formula is inferior to breastmilk in every way and I don't feel guilty saying it!  I don't let anyone make me feel guilty for breastfeeding!  If you are giving your baby formula, own it and stop making us feel like we can't promote breastfeeding because it somehow makes you feel guilty!  I have no intention of making anyone feel guilty, but if I (and others) don't start exposing formula now, for fear of making others feel guilty, it will never happen.  It has to start somewhere and I LOVE the idea of this video!!!





I feel just as guilty for my oldest not being bf, due to medical issues he could not break down the protein according to the dr.s and was on special formula for it. And none of my family could understand why I was upset, then to find out a month later he could go back to the breast crushed me even more. I had pumped exclusively for him while he was in the NICU and so I had 6 months worth of milk stored and he got that, but if I had only continued he would have been EBF. But I had no family support  and they told me to stop, if I would have had the knowledge and support I have now from sadly my support groups things would have been different. I look at my daughter and see the differences between the two of them, although my family say its in my head that formula is no different, but I see it and it breaks my heart.



I just loathe the formula companies, they manipulate the minds of millions and its ok, but yet we cant even promote without a profit I might add without being critized.

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Quoting Nicole:



Quoting Elanor:

hear hear! Nowadays it's all inclusive. one of the leaders of the childrens centre I worked at said 'all these breastfeeding posters are lovely, but they should have some bottle feeding posters, so as not to alienate those parents' - to which I replied 'well then lets replace the give up smoking posters, with advertising cigerattes posters, or the healthy eating ones with junk food ones!' When was the last time someone got a new baby greeting card with a breastfeeding mum on iy?






Agreed!!!!!!  The medical community is very quick to make mothers feel guilty about smoking while pregnant or smoking around their babies, but, "oh no! don't dare make a mother feel guitly for not breastfeeding!  How dare you???"  Not breastfeeding poses just as many health risks as second-hand smoke, but no one will come out and publicly say it.  And it is under the guise of "not making formula feeding mothers feel guilty", but really it's because there is too much money in formula and not enough in breastfeeding (like there is in smoking cessation).  And no one wants to dare make a mother feel guilty for not breastfeeding because they know that most mothers are tricked into formula feeding by the horrible tactics of the formula companies in the first place!






I'm not trying to put other mothers down for not breastfeeding or for giving their breastfed child formula, I am just trying to promote the wonderful benefits of breastfeeding!  I have 4 boys and I breastfed them all exclusively (currently breastfeeding the fourth), except my oldest.  He was being supplemented before we were even discharged from the hospital because of the misinformation from the medical staff and I quit breastfeeding when he was around 4 months, after months of struggling because of the supplementation and working full time.  And I feel guilty about it everyday!!!  Not because of the breastfeeding community, but because I can see the difference in my children all the time!  The difference in their health, my bond with them, etc. 






Formula is inferior to breastmilk in every way and I don't feel guilty saying it!  I don't let anyone make me feel guilty for breastfeeding!  If you are giving your baby formula, own it and stop making us feel like we can't promote breastfeeding because it somehow makes you feel guilty!  I have no intention of making anyone feel guilty, but if I (and others) don't start exposing formula now, for fear of making others feel guilty, it will never happen.  It has to start somewhere and I LOVE the idea of this video!!!





I feel just as guilty for my oldest not being bf, due to medical issues he could not break down the protein according to the dr.s and was on special formula for it. And none of my family could understand why I was upset, then to find out a month later he could go back to the breast crushed me even more. I had pumped exclusively for him while he was in the NICU and so I had 6 months worth of milk stored and he got that, but if I had only continued he would have been EBF. But I had no family support  and they told me to stop, if I would have had the knowledge and support I have now from sadly my support groups things would have been different. I look at my daughter and see the differences between the two of them, although my family say its in my head that formula is no different, but I see it and it breaks my heart.



I just loathe the formula companies, they manipulate the minds of millions and its ok, but yet we cant even promote without a profit I might add without being critized.

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Quoting Elanor:

hear hear! Nowadays it's all inclusive. one of the leaders of the childrens centre I worked at said 'all these breastfeeding posters are lovely, but they should have some bottle feeding posters, so as not to alienate those parents' - to which I replied 'well then lets replace the give up smoking posters, with advertising cigerattes posters, or the healthy eating ones with junk food ones!' When was the last time someone got a new baby greeting card with a breastfeeding mum on iy?



Agreed!!!!!!  The medical community is very quick to make mothers feel guilty about smoking while pregnant or smoking around their babies, but, "oh no! don't dare make a mother feel guitly for not breastfeeding!  How dare you???"  Not breastfeeding poses just as many health risks as second-hand smoke, but no one will come out and publicly say it.  And it is under the guise of "not making formula feeding mothers feel guilty", but really it's because there is too much money in formula and not enough in breastfeeding (like there is in smoking cessation).  And no one wants to dare make a mother feel guilty for not breastfeeding because they know that most mothers are tricked into formula feeding by the horrible tactics of the formula companies in the first place!



I'm not trying to put other mothers down for not breastfeeding or for giving their breastfed child formula, I am just trying to promote the wonderful benefits of breastfeeding!  I have 4 boys and I breastfed them all exclusively (currently breastfeeding the fourth), except my oldest.  He was being supplemented before we were even discharged from the hospital because of the misinformation from the medical staff and I quit breastfeeding when he was around 4 months, after months of struggling because of the supplementation and working full time.  And I feel guilty about it everyday!!!  Not because of the breastfeeding community, but because I can see the difference in my children all the time!  The difference in their health, my bond with them, etc. 



Formula is inferior to breastmilk in every way and I don't feel guilty saying it!  I don't let anyone make me feel guilty for breastfeeding!  If you are giving your baby formula, own it and stop making us feel like we can't promote breastfeeding because it somehow makes you feel guilty!  I have no intention of making anyone feel guilty, but if I (and others) don't start exposing formula now, for fear of making others feel guilty, it will never happen.  It has to start somewhere and I LOVE the idea of this video!!!

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Quoting Loretta:

And I thought formula feeding was bad hear in the U.K especially when they tried to make breastfeeding in public illiegal on the grounds of indecent exposure. A woman was actually stopped by the police for breatfedding in public last year.



Unreal!!  But I'm sure the police don't stop the girl with her boobs hanging out of very tight and very small shirt!  And I'm sure it's a different opinion if it was a "topless" beach.  Double frickin standards.



I live in Greece.  It is ENCOURAGED to breastfeed which I found so helpful and reassuring.  I still get the shocked look when people find out I am still nursing my almost 14 month old daughter and I've had some backlashing about stopping because she should be STTN now, it's unnecessary and because she won't take my milk or any milk from a bottle, I can't leave her overnight anywhere.  Can figure out who has not been supporting me by my comments!!



I wonder how long it will be until we are able to see this movie Greece.  I watched "The Business of Being Born" when I was pregnant and thought it was brilliant.  And I wish more woman would give breastfeeding a fair chance and not give up so easily because it's not working right away.  Took me 8 weeks, lots of tears, lots of sleepless days/nights and lots of frustration until we had it perfected!

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hear hear! Nowadays it's all inclusive. one of the leaders of the childrens centre I worked at said 'all these breastfeeding posters are lovely, but they should have some bottle feeding posters, so as not to alienate those parents' - to which I replied 'well then lets replace the give up smoking posters, with advertising cigerattes posters, or the healthy eating ones with junk food ones!' When was the last time someone got a new baby greeting card with a breastfeeding mum on iy?

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Quoting Nicole:

It is so telling that doing something as simple as posting this video, exposing the bad practices of formula companies, gets comments from moms who have given their children formula accusing the breastfeeding community of calling them bad mothers. That was not the point of posting this at all. It is to expose the formula companies for what they do. I think guilt is coming through in those comments.

Why is it we're allowed to endure the stares, comments, misinformation, etc. for breastfeeding and yet not be able to say anything bad about formula and formula feeding?


It is truly funny how we have to endure such and yet we cant promote bf without being accussed of trying to make those whom formula feed feel guilty. Honestly its ones own mind whom makes them feel guilty. Our advocacy is not what offends you its the fact that it makes you stop and think about the choices you have made.

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