Has anyone NOT gotten their kids vaccinated due to the dangers of vaccinations???

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Julia - posted on 09/13/2009

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I too am a nurse but I am far from knowing what is best for your child. My education in nursing school (BSN) did nothing to educate me about vaccines other than being told that people should get them and that the "risk of contracting the disease is far worse than the side effects of the vaccine". Oh and I love the scare tactic video our parents in the NICU had to watch before discharge.



Being a parent is a responsibility. Now I am NOT stating that those that choose to vaccinate are irresponsible. What I am saying is that IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PARENT TO RESEARCH AND EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT WHAT THEY DECIDE TO PUT INTO THEIR CHILD'S BODY whether that is a vaccine, a medication, or a food. Toxins are all around us and good luck at escaping that short of moving to a remote island. I might not be able to control the amount of pesticides floating through the air around my house but I can control whether or not toxic chemicals are injected into my child.



Here's a few other things nursing school didn't teach me:



1. An infant's blood brain barrier is not fully functional until around 2 years of age. That means EVERYTHING you put into your child or allow your child to ingest goes through his/her brain. So if you as a parent are willing to inject human diploid lung cells, embryonic guinea pig cell cultures, beef heart infusion/fetal bovine serum, ammonium sulfate, glutamate, neomycin, aluminum, formaldehyde, thimerosal (mercury derivative), phenol/phenoxyethanol, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), dry natural latex rubber, chick embryo culture, human albumin, sorbitol/sucrose, soy peptone broth, and/or monkey kidney cells directly into your own brain, then I guess you're ignorant enough to do it to your baby. You cannot tell me that shoving that much crap into a baby's body isn't going to screw up more than just a few synapses.

2. Their is significant evidence that the government is hiding vital information from the American public regarding vaccine safety. After reading excerpts from the conference "Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information" in Norcross, GA on June 7th & 8th of 2000 I realized how truly evil the government can be. It appauled me that a "CONFIDENTIAL", "DO NOT COPY OR RELEASE" stamp was plastered across the study discussed at this conference. Who knows how many more "CONFIDENTIAL" documents are being withheld from parents. See for yourself if you don't believe:

http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-i...

3. And in case that isn't enough. I compared my own immunization record with the current recommended schedule of vaccines. At the age of 6, I had received 10 shots. Now if you look at today's recommended schedule of vaccines, you will be injecting your child 36 times by the time they are 6. If you want to break it down even further, that is 22 vs 47 vaccinations. Not one instructor in nursing school broadened my knowledge base with that one.



Nice huh. I wish I had known half of this stuff before having my first son. I really question whether or not vaccines had something to do with his speech delay and possible ADD. I assumed that medicine was right. I assumed that I knew more than others because I was a nurse. I wish I'd asked more questions of the parents in the NICU that chose not to give their baby the Hep B vaccine. I guess hindsight is 20/20.



And in defense of God's will. When God created this world he never intended for people to suffer. God never intended for people to die either. It was man that fell short. Man decided that he knew better. And that his way was better than God's. All God did was allow man to prove it. Guess what...man screwed up. God will make things right but not on our time. Having faith in something bigger than this world isn't a fault, it's a blessing.



BOTTOM LINE - do your research. Your kids are worth it.

Bethany - posted on 09/06/2009

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Yes. We have not given our 18month old any vaccinations. I'm not so worried about the "autism link," although I definitely think that a vaccination given to an already-susceptible child can definitely trigger a bad reaction.

In response to Jessica's comment above, Thimerosal actually still is in vaccines, although in "trace amounts." For concerned parents, the only way to get completely Thimerosal-free vaccine is to request it specially from the health department. It's more expensive for doctors to carry, although some may offer it on request.

I am more concerned about other toxins involved, like aluminum and formaldehyde (the stuff used in dissection labs in school). The amount of aluminum in ONE vaccine given to an infant is more than the legal amount that can be injected into an adult's bloodstream. Granted, the shot is placed in the muscle, but no testing has been done on the safety of aluminum in shots. Also, all official vaccine testing before each one hits the market is done by the manufacturers - not by any un-invested parties. Some of them, like Rotavirus, are not given much testing before being pushed onto the market. Did you know that, for the flu shot, the vaccine is a concoction of developers who guess at what next years' strain will be, then they sell it based off of that guess. Most years they are wrong, and the vaccine is for the wrong strain of flu.

Some people feel that they can't get vaccines based on moral grounds, because the weakened virus is normally taken from monkees, cows, or aborted human babies.

The Hep B shot routinely given at birth is for an STD, which newborn infants really do NOT need unless their mother has Hep B. However, there were a few women who never got healthcare during their pregnancies, and some of them passed an STD to their babies. Therefore, it is now hospital policy to give that shot to every single baby at birth unless its' parents sign a waiver.

I only started researching three months prior to giving birth to my daughter, and the more I learn I am SO glad that we decided not to give her any vaccines. I developed arthritis at the age of six after getting the second MMR vaccine. It has been a problem my entire life, and could have been easily avoided.

There's my two cents. :)

Sarah - posted on 09/06/2009

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As a pediatric nurse, I have seen children die from illnesses that are 100% preventable by immunizations. I suggest that people get their "research" from reliable and credible resources instead of thinking that everything on the internet is correct, it is not. Vaccinations DO NOT cause autism. Research has shown autism is genetic. Parents who live with autistic children often look for reasons why this happened to them. Unfortunately they are not there. There is no higher incidence of autism in children who are vaccinated than that of children who are not vaccinated. I know that a lot of people believe that these illnesses will not happen to their children, but I'm telling you that no one thinks it will happen to them and it does. Children suffer, get hospitalized, brain damage, paralysis, blindness, sterility, and die from these illnesses that can be prevented. Please, before you decide to not vaccinate your child, get all the facts on these illnesses and the risks of them and weigh them against the risks of the vaccines (as taken from research and not opinion).

Jamie - posted on 09/08/2009

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We only do very selective vaxing. Don't believe for a second that the vaxes are safer than the potential disease. You need to do what you feel good with. I recommend reading the Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears and giving it some good thought. Here are some links that might help too:

This shows the number of children that died from the vaccine versus the disease:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/52...

A great vaccine article: http://www.vaccinerights.com/DispellingV...

Studies, laws, etc... on vaccines http://thinktwice.com/

Info on individual vaccines http://www.thinktwice.com/allvacs.htm

Good luck!

Melissa - posted on 09/08/2009

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your heart is doubting vaccines !!!!! Do not let you precious clean baby get injected with HEP B, ugh, just read who's at risk for that !!!! Such a no brainer !!!! I have 2 young kids, no vaccines, very healthy. No vaccines. If you choose to vaccinate, the very best thing you can do is space them out. It upsurd, weird and scary to see the amount of injections into CHILDREN. They are little CHILDREN !!! WWW.NVIC.ORG!

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Sarah - posted on 05/12/2012

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Well, I feel my first paragraph answers your question then. This is a vaccine debate after all. I had no intention of lumping you into the argument. I assumed since you were asking why there was a rise you were, which likely is my fault, but maybe there's other people that are unaware of the information I provided and they may find it helpful. I'm sorry if I offended you, I was answering the question the way I felt was appropriate.

Kelly - posted on 05/12/2012

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Quoting Sarah,....


"For Kelly, to answer your question:

Autism is not related to vaccinations. Vaccinations have been going on for nearing 50 years. This recent rise in autism is only in the last 15 years. This is due to increased awareness mostly. Even 20 years ago most people had never even HEARD of autism. As awareness grew, so did diagnoses. In the past, people were labeled "retarded," "different," "odd," "slow," "mentally handicapped," etc. Many of these people, had they the benefit of the awareness would likely have been diagnosed with autism today. Also, autism itself was originally a very specific illness, narrow in it's scope. Now, the autism spectrum is very large and growing as more and more symptoms are grouped together on the spectrum. Many parents also actively seek this diagnosis for their children when they notice different traits so that they can qualify for the special assistance(s) they can only get with a diagnosis for their child. The question is, is this a true rise, or a rise in diagnosis (from misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis in previous years).

Dr. Andrew Wakefield (Google him for more info), basically originally was the one to "link" autism and the MMR vaccine. For MANY reasons, his research was discredited because of his huge unethical research practices and small study group (only 12 children). He has since been stripped of his medical license. Unfortunately, his "findings" have caused this huge debate we hear now on this possible link. Thousands of studies have been done since finding absolutely NO link between the two, meaning there was no higher incidence of autism in those who received the vaccine and those who didn't.

It's also widely believed part of the reason people continue to believe there is a link is because children are often diagnosed with autism between the ages of 1-2. This is also when they receive the MMR. The thing is though, it's hard to truly point out developmental delays before the age of 1. Often signs are missed because infants under 1 develop at such different rates. They don't often become noticeable until later when they don't talk or engage the way they are expected to. Does this mean the vaccine caused it, or is just the timing? If we held off the MMR until the age of 5, it could prove this theory, but then you're placing children at risk from NOT receiving the vaccine.

A few years ago, scientists isolated a gene that they believe causes autism. This would make it genetic. Now, whether it is built in that you have it or it is something that is "triggered" if you have the gene, they are working on discovering. This has yet to be determined. The problem is though, so many parents insist that there is a link that research dollars continue to go into thousands of studies to disprove Dr. Wakefield's "research" even though it's already been found untrue. This takes valuable funds from research that could actually genuinely FIND the cause and perhaps a cure for it. "


Sarah, you have voiced all this information (that I am already aware of by the way) to explain that autism is not caused by vaccines but I never even said that they were caused by vaccines. If you read my post, I only said ..."But how can autism only be genetic with such a rise in recent years". I'm not sure why you are so quick to lump me in with the vaccines causes autism argument but please don't, as that is not at all what I said. Thank you

Sarah - posted on 05/11/2012

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For Kelly, to answer your question:

Autism is not related to vaccinations. Vaccinations have been going on for nearing 50 years. This recent rise in autism is only in the last 15 years. This is due to increased awareness mostly. Even 20 years ago most people had never even HEARD of autism. As awareness grew, so did diagnoses. In the past, people were labeled "retarded," "different," "odd," "slow," "mentally handicapped," etc. Many of these people, had they the benefit of the awareness would likely have been diagnosed with autism today. Also, autism itself was originally a very specific illness, narrow in it's scope. Now, the autism spectrum is very large and growing as more and more symptoms are grouped together on the spectrum. Many parents also actively seek this diagnosis for their children when they notice different traits so that they can qualify for the special assistance(s) they can only get with a diagnosis for their child. The question is, is this a true rise, or a rise in diagnosis (from misdiagnosis or lack of diagnosis in previous years).

Dr. Andrew Wakefield (Google him for more info), basically originally was the one to "link" autism and the MMR vaccine. For MANY reasons, his research was discredited because of his huge unethical research practices and small study group (only 12 children). He has since been stripped of his medical license. Unfortunately, his "findings" have caused this huge debate we hear now on this possible link. Thousands of studies have been done since finding absolutely NO link between the two, meaning there was no higher incidence of autism in those who received the vaccine and those who didn't.

It's also widely believed part of the reason people continue to believe there is a link is because children are often diagnosed with autism between the ages of 1-2. This is also when they receive the MMR. The thing is though, it's hard to truly point out developmental delays before the age of 1. Often signs are missed because infants under 1 develop at such different rates. They don't often become noticeable until later when they don't talk or engage the way they are expected to. Does this mean the vaccine caused it, or is just the timing? If we held off the MMR until the age of 5, it could prove this theory, but then you're placing children at risk from NOT receiving the vaccine.

A few years ago, scientists isolated a gene that they believe causes autism. This would make it genetic. Now, whether it is built in that you have it or it is something that is "triggered" if you have the gene, they are working on discovering. This has yet to be determined. The problem is though, so many parents insist that there is a link that research dollars continue to go into thousands of studies to disprove Dr. Wakefield's "research" even though it's already been found untrue. This takes valuable funds from research that could actually genuinely FIND the cause and perhaps a cure for it.

Kelly - posted on 05/11/2012

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Quoting Hailey....

"I have read so much about this and I am understanding on both sides of the fence. After thinking about it FOREVER now, I have scheduled an appointment to get my son vaccinted. For the simple reason that even if he were to develop autism or some other side effect from the vaccinations, I would rather have him here with me, alive and wih autism, than to hve him die of a disease that I could have had him vaccinated for. "

That is how YOU would feel but please take into consideration how your SON would feel if g-d forbid he did end up with autism or brain damage from a vaccination and had to spend the rest of his life trapped in that situation, no longer able to communicate with his mama or be at all like he used to be. Please just give it some thought from a different perspective.

Kelly - posted on 05/11/2012

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But how can autism be only genetic when there has been such an increase, a major spike in recent years?

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I delayed my sons vaccines for a bit and spread them out as well. Which right after he was born, I called around and found a pediatrician that was willing to do that. Most pediatricians try to push the shots on you at a certain time and expect you to keep the specific guidelines on when they get certain shots. I specifically told them up front that I wanted my own alternate schedule and that he would slowly get his shots but it would be on my time table and not theirs. The pediatrician we have now agreed and havent given me too much touble with it. Im glad I called around beforehand though becuase I know the first few pediatricians I called, didnt want to do it the way I did an therefore I continued looking until I felt I had found the right match.

Abbey - posted on 09/12/2009

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We did VERY selective vaccinations with my son until about 12 months, we didn't know enough to not vaccinate but there was always something lingering in the back of our minds that didn't feel right. When you are a new parent, you are trying to learn about so many things that its impossible to research EVERYTHING before hand. This was something we were trusting our Dr with. But once I got educated, we QUIT. My son will never recieve another vaccination and either will our future children.



I salute you for questioning immunizations! No matter which road you choose, just be educated about it! We can't just trust our Dr's or anyone else on things that impact our children's lives, we need to be their voices. Good luck!

Rhoda - posted on 09/12/2009

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Hi,



I am for vaccinations, I have 2 babies and they have gone for the scheduled 2,4,6 and 12 month shots. None of them had any reactions, except for reacting to the needling being jabbed into their leg.



Vaccinations are designed to introduce an infants developing immune system to things it must be able to fight off. Although just having your baby outside will introduce your child's immune system to antigens (things the body must fight off) there are those that your child WILL NOT COMMONLY encounter such as the chicken pox, diptheria, polio, etc. It is very important that your baby's immune system be introduced to them in a gentler form so that the immune system can remember and know exactly how to fight it off. Before vaccinations people that became exposed to such bacteria and viruses became immune to subsequent exposures only if they survived the infection. A vaccine introduces a part of a dead bacteria or virus into the body so the immune system recognizes and will forever remember it, so if there is a 2nd encounter the body will react quickly and use an approach that specifically targets that germ. Usually if it's a first exposure to the full blown bacteria or virus the body is slow to react because it doesn't know what exactly it's dealing with. So as the body is trying to figure it out what the intruder is it just sends out everything it has in its arsenal to fight off whatever it is and since it is not specific the person doesn't always survive or survive the infection without any side effects. If you're concerned about the live virus vaccines the amounts are so small so it causes an immune response. Despite the type of vaccine you get (living or dead) the body reacts the same way: 1. corner it off so it doesn't spread (increased blood flow to area causing swelling and redness) 2. send people to examine and kill it (the blood will have more white blood cells and your body will tell you to have a fever so the higher heat will help to kill it off). This is the reason that doctors tell you not to be concerned if they develop a slight fever.



Whatever you decide to do please do thorough research, not just web based and remember a correlative study is not a conclusive result. For example the law of gravity is a clear cut result, you throw something in the area and the force of gravity will put it back down. No other scientist has been able to refute it. A correlative study does not prove a clear cut cause and effect. So just keep that in mind when you're reading.

Erynne - posted on 09/12/2009

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I can understand avoiding vaccinating for the diseases that have been more-or-less eradicated from the United States (at least for the moms living in the US) like diphtheria, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, and meningococcal disease... but why risk your child on the ones that AREN´T rare, and DO cause rather serious problems?

Pneumococcal disease is NOT rare, and can be fatal. Here´s some information on it: http://www.nfid.org/factsheets/pneumofac...

Tetanus is definitely not rare; if you don´t recognize the symptoms quickly, it is common to die of ¨lock jaw.¨ Here´s some information on the disease (includes a link to photographs of people with tetanus, including a baby - they are quite graphic): http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/teta...

Pertussis (whooping cough) is NOT rare at all! In fact, there have been several outbreaks recently in schools mainly populated by children whose parents chose not to vaccinate. Just the simple fact that your baby will sometimes stop breathing because the cough is so bad is enough to make me not want my son to suffer through that. Here is some information on the disease: http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/...

If you still feel the danger of your child getting a vaccine is worse than the danger of the disease itself, then more power to you: it is YOUR family and YOUR decision. Personally, I´d rather not be kicking myself if my son gets seriously ill with a preventable illness and I have to spend sleepless nights in hospital waiting to see if that tiny person who used to thump me with tiny elbows and little feet from the inside is going to recover or become just another statistic.

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Connie - posted on 09/12/2009

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If you want information regarding vaccines, side effects, etc., go to www.nvic.org

This website is for the National Vaccine Information Center and should help you in deciding what to do about vaccines. As far as which vaccines to get, that is between you and your Pediatrician. Remember that he/she works for YOU, not the other way around, so don't let them bully you into doing anything you don't want to do. You can also request an information sheet on the vaccines from your Pediatrician prior to getting them. This is something you are entitled to get under informed consent and your Pediatrician should have the information handy. My son is only getting the vaccines that are required by the Health Department for him to go to daycare/preschool and elementary school. You can go to your state's Health Department website to see what they require.

Nicole - posted on 09/12/2009

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I have a 4 month old who has recieved his first immunizations. After reading all of these comments, Iam more confused now than I ever was. Now, i'm going to sit in front of the computer even longer to try to research on reliable websites about both sides. I do more research on my child's well being that I had anticipated. But really... is anything acurate? Who can I trust? Really? Everyone, even professionals have a different story. Should I listen to Dr. Sears, I don't know him, sure don't trust him. Just because he is on T.V. he is right. So... you people made me confused and frustrated. What I should do is get off this stupid computer and spend some time with my son.

Daniella - posted on 09/12/2009

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the risks associated eith the vaccines are very small and the potential risk of NOT vaccinating, both to your own child and those that your child comes in contact with, are very serious!

Daniella - posted on 09/12/2009

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the risks associated eith the vaccines are very small and the potential risk of NOT vaccinating, both to your own child and those that your child comes in contact with, are very serious!

Stephanie - posted on 09/12/2009

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I am a nurse and have been educated on vaccines. You NEED to get your child vaccinated unless you plan to keep your child away from communities of other children. The childhood illness the vaccines prevent are far more dangerous than the vaccines themselves. There are possilbe side effects and RARE severe side effects just like ANY MEDICATION you may have taken or may give your child. RARE is the key word here. If you don't vaccinate your child, you should not expose him to other children, especially those too young to be vaccinated. If your child contracts an illness that you are unaware of in the prodromal phase, you may be exposing others and that is not fair! There is a reason vaccines were produced! Unless you want to see the country overtaken with epidemics, VACCINATE YOUR CHILD!!!

Stacey - posted on 09/12/2009

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Quoting Siobhan:

Just a side note...I wonder...If God gave man brains...and those brains researched ways to help us not get deadly diseases and then we in turn gave these solutions to our children....wouldn't that also be in Gods will? Just a thought. As for the formaldahyde in injections...that scared me too...until I learned what was in baby food....then I really began to wonder what is in everything...and why aren't we all dead.

There will always be some who will react badly to everything...even some people are allergic to sun, water..ect. That doesn't rule out the rest of the population from needing these things.


What sorts of things did you find when researching baby food?

Stacey - posted on 09/12/2009

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I did a lot of research on the subject throughout my entire pregnancy and came to the conclusion that there are risks for both the vaccines and the diseases. I decided that getting the vaccines were too risky for me. I don't care if people chose to vaccinate, I just wish more people would realize that they have a choice in the matter and not to do it blindly because that's what they think they are supposed to do.

Charity - posted on 09/12/2009

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The amish communities do not get vaccinated and do not have autistic children...interesting fact. Also, where do the vaccinations stop? Pretty soon, we will have vaccinations for the common cold because our immune systems have been so overworked for no reason. Plus, vaccinations do NOT guarantee that your child will not get the disease.

Sarah - posted on 09/11/2009

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Quoting Tamlyn:
The vaccines are also potential causes of everything you listed as complications from illnesses.  People ARE trying to get all of the facts; that is why we post here and do research elsewhere.  We share our thoughts and stories so that others can make an informed decision.  The unfortunate mother who's baby girl died on the way home from being vaccinated may not have had a forum to read about the horrors experienced by another parent. Everyone is afraid that they will make a wrong decision for their child. We all know that everything on the Internet is not accurate. ....so thanks for being an elitist and attempting to make us all feel like we are unworthy.  What ever happened to informed consent?



My intention Tamlyn, is not to make anyone feel unworthy, just urge people to not seek the answers to this important decision from other people who are just as unknowledgable on the subject. I urge people to speak to their family physician, pediatrician, local public health unit, pediatric nurse, nurse practioner, anyone who actually is trained and knowledgable on the subject BEFORE they make this decision. I am urging people to NOT base this decision based on information they recieve on a chat board.



Every woman here only wants what is best for her child, that is why she is on this site. But I urge people to please make an informed decision for immunizing. Also please realize that this decision doesn't just affect your family, but also those around you. It may not be your child that dies from the illness, but perhaps the neighbours that caught it from your child. Or the pregnant woman at the grocery store that used the cart after your child sneezed on it, causing her unborn baby to become brain damaged. This is not an issue that affects people in isolation, but it affects the global community as a whole.



Most likely the woman whose child died was because of an allergic reaction, very rare and can be prevented by staying at the health unit for observation post immunization. This reaction, called anaphylaxis, can also happen with every day food, such as milk or soy, but it doesn't mean you never feed your child either. Sometimes anaphylaxis can not be prevented, all we can do is treat it when it does.

Amanda - posted on 09/11/2009

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I choose to vaccinate, in fact my daughter is going for her 4 month shots next week. I talked to the health nurse about the vaccines and decided that the dieases were much worse. As for people who say that you shouldn't worry about a non vaccinated child giving something to a vaccinated child, they are wrong. I'm 23 years old and i have had my MMR shot twice, I'm not immune to rubella. Oddly enough my younger sister is pregnant and found out that she's not immune to rubella either. When I was pregnant and found out that I didn't have that immunity my doctor told me to be careful because she had seen two cases (in seperate families) of rubella that week. I also worry because I worked with (and my fiance still works with) off shore workers. I actually ended up asking my boss if they had been vaccinated for infectious diseases before they came to canada, they had been but they could still carry a disease. In the end it is your choice but with everything else you have to worry about in your childs life, I prefer to know that I don't have to run to the emergency room every time my baby has a cough.

Naomi - posted on 09/11/2009

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my son recieved his first vaccine yesterday at 3 months. I had a lot of concerns after reading many of these types of forums and researching before he was born, so my research after his birth was mostly actually on government health sites because I wanted to make sure I was being open to both sides of the argument.
After a lot of reading, I came to several conclusions. One was that over the length of my sons life, the risks of him contracting a potentially deadly illness are much greater than the possible risks and side effects of the vaccinations themselves. However, I was not convinced at all that the short term risk of disease.. like in the next 3 years, was greater than the side effects of the vaccines. My husband and I felt that an alternate schedule was a very good middle ground. We could protect our son from dangerous disease, while still minimizing the side effects of overloading his immature immune system with immunizations.
I was so prepared for a huge debate when I went into the public health unit. but I was pleasantly surprised. The nurses were so great about it, listened to my concerns and were happy to work with me to create an alternate schedule. (they can't give anything without my consent anyway.) My son will return once a month or so to get max. 2 vaccines at a time, and only 1 live virus at a time. I live within walking distance of the clinic and had no problems with the "inconvenience" of coming in more often. He did great with his one needle, hardly cried at all. But if he had been having three, I think he would have been FAR more upset, just from a comfort perspective, one at a time is a lot less stressful and less painful for both of us.
I do take seriously concerns about vaccines. Specifically when it is well known infants have immature immune systems. But I also know that vaccination was first invented as a response to deadly illnesses like smallpox, and were a huge blessing, saving so many lives. I beleive the first doctor who used them and created them was in fact a christian.
Anyway, that's my two bits. I live in Canada, and i couldn't find any info about doing alternative schedules on any gov't sites. But for those of you interested in spacing out vaccines, all you have to do is request it when you go in, and have an intelligent response when they ask why.

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I have read so much about this and I am understanding on both sides of the fence. After thinking about it FOREVER now, I have scheduled an appointment to get my son vaccinted. For the simple reason that even if he were to develop autism or some other side effect from the vaccinations, I would rather have him here with me, alive and wih autism, than to hve him die of a disease that I could have had him vaccinated for.

Lisa - posted on 09/11/2009

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the risky thing is not to get immunised- if you want to see our kids start to die of infectious diseases like measels again, go ahead and don't get them jabbed

Sarah - posted on 09/11/2009

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I believe it's very important to vaccinate your children....it's far worse not too

I have heard of a risk of a child developing autisum from a vaccine but it must be

really rare cause the nurses and doctors don't even tell you that.

just think of how the child mortality rate 80 yrs ago was...and from such common illnesses

Jackie - posted on 09/11/2009

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Being a mother who nearly lost her youngest to a simple childhood illness I think its insane and 100% irresponsible to not vaccinate your children. Not only for their health but for the health of others around them. The risk are so slim; your child is more likely to be hit by a car then to develop any major side effects from a vaccine. But mothers who don't vaccinate allow their children to cross roads.

My aunt is deaf and lucky to be alive because of a mother who didn't vaccinate their child with MMR and brought their child into a doctors office with the German Measles while my Grandmother was pregnant and having a prenatal appointment. One little needle, one little decision didn't effect that mothers life... no instead it effected my families life. It changed my grandmothers life forever and limited my aunts choices in life.

If you keep your child locked up, home schooled and never allow them off your front/back yard, then I say sure go ahead don't vaccinate. But if your child is going to be in society and effecting other peoples lives... well it would be neglect not to vaccinate them as far as I'm concerned.

Holly - posted on 09/11/2009

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Hiya!! I decided not to vaccinate my now 11 month old at all and have found some natural immune boosters as a replacement!! I did a lot of research while i was pregnant and decided that at the end of the day there was no real need ( except to fit into societies nice little niche of normality) and the risks however rare where just not worth it for me. In stead I make sure he has a full and balanced diet, tonnes of interactions with people and animals and life and i boost him up with a daily dose of echinacea and on the odd times he has been unwell he bounces back faster and and seems to not get sick much even when people in the house are ill. Maybe I am just lucky but i think good management and some solid information are the best tools when making a decision this big!! Good luck

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My husband and I have chosen not to vaccinate our son after two family members' children developed autism after their 18 month vaccination. The decision wasn't JUST based on that. We actually asked our doctor for the ingredients list (which all doctors should have) and you wouldn't believe all the stuff in there! Why? No way would I want that stuff put into my son who was created perfectly! My mother was never vaccinated as a child and got measles, mumps, and everything else and created her own immunity. Our bodies are perfect the way they are! Also, our doctor said that he wouldn't have his children vaccinated either.

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i have done a lot of research on it and everyone is biased. also there havent been very many studies done on it yet because the autism rates are just now getting so high to the point of concern. there are tonsss of reasons i have found NOT to vaccinate MY son. every child is different so it is hard to know who is at risk and whos little body can handle the vaccines or not. the book i found most helpful is "healing and preventing autism" by jenny mccarthy and autism specialist dr kartzinel. it even presents signs to look for in your baby that they might be more at risk. i just wish i would have known earlier because my son is 7 months and healthy but i wouldnt have vaccinated him at all because he already has a genetic predisposition. i stopped after his 4 month vaccinations. i mean how horrible would it be to have a healthy baby and possibly child whos developing great and then after getting routine vacs one day start going backwards and have to live the rest of their life with a disability! bottom line: vaccinations are dangerous to SOME babies or children and im not taking the chance!

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i have a 19 months old and a 5 month old and they are honestly the healthiest children I know - and I know alot of children! Not one ugly vaccine has ever touched their little bodies. Do some research yourself and you will discover things that will turn you off immunisations. Like the fact that some are grown inside monkey fetuses! and you want to put that inside our precious, innocent babies bodies?



Nothing can provide better protection then breastfeeding till 1.5/2 or beyond, healthy nutrious fruit and veges, wholegrain wholemeal food.



At the age of 14 I caught the whooping cough off of a young girl who had just had the whopping caugh vaccine. She was caughing but had no "whoop" but yet she passed it to me and my 3 sisters. What kind of a vaccine is that?



I also personnally know a family who immunised their eldest child who was healthy and he is not severally handicapped as a result of the vaccine. They have not immunised any of their other 4 children.



Keep your children healthy naturally!





p.s. I am 23 years of age and I have personally never had a single vaccination and am lovely and healthy with a very strong immune system!

Nikki - posted on 09/10/2009

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What danger? The danger I see is from not getting the vaccinations and my child getting sick.

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i waited until noah, my 4 yr. old was 1 yr.old. the risks that are associated with vaccines are astonishing. and no, the risks of not getting them are not worse. thats what the Md's tell you, they are paid by the pharmecuetical companies to push their product- vaccines. and anyways, if everyone else it vaccinated, then what are the chances of your child getting it?

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After researching the issue and talking with my friends, I waited until my daughter turned 2. She had surgery at 7 months and was underweight. By 2, she was bigger and stronger and it made me feel better to have waited.

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You are right, vax's can cause brain damage, paralysis, death, hospitalizations....but here is the thing, we have SOOO many new diseases that are made up that have the same symptoms....for instance take, ADD, OCD, Autism, Depresion....you name it and I bet you they all have simialr symptoms with a twist of difference. Why? The more "diseases" people have, the more $$$ doctors and pharm. companies can milk out of us with medicines that are unsafe! I just got a medication from the doc for an infection....and I am nursing, she said it would be safe. I picked up the prescription and read the pamphlet that came with it when I got home. In the scientific study, that very medicine caused tumors in baby mice that were nursing off their mothers!!!! It also was a mutagen. WHAT!? Seriously people, take an effort, think outside the box, read into things and don't trust just anyone, even a doctor. Doctors are human, plus they are getting paid to tell us what they do.

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Quoting Sarah:

As a pediatric nurse, I have seen children die from illnesses that are 100% preventable by immunizations. I suggest that people get their "research" from reliable and credible resources instead of thinking that everything on the internet is correct, it is not. Vaccinations DO NOT cause autism. Research has shown autism is genetic. Parents who live with autistic children often look for reasons why this happened to them. Unfortunately they are not there. There is no higher incidence of autism in children who are vaccinated than that of children who are not vaccinated. I know that a lot of people believe that these illnesses will not happen to their children, but I'm telling you that no one thinks it will happen to them and it does. Children suffer, get hospitalized, brain damage, paralysis, blindness, sterility, and die from these illnesses that can be prevented. Please, before you decide to not vaccinate your child, get all the facts on these illnesses and the risks of them and weigh them against the risks of the vaccines (as taken from research and not opinion).



The vaccines are also potential causes of everything you listed as complications from illnesses.  People ARE trying to get all of the facts; that is why we post here and do research elsewhere.  We share our thoughts and stories so that others can make an informed decision.  The unfortunate mother who's baby girl died on the way home from being vaccinated may not have had a forum to read about the horrors experienced by another parent. Everyone is afraid that they will make a wrong decision for their child. We all know that everything on the Internet is not accurate. ....so thanks for being an elitist and attempting to make us all feel like we are unworthy.  What ever happened to informed consent?

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Quoting Meagan:



Quoting Sarah:

As a pediatric nurse, I have seen children die from illnesses that are 100% preventable by immunizations. I suggest that people get their "research" from reliable and credible resources instead of thinking that everything on the internet is correct, it is not. Vaccinations DO NOT cause autism. Research has shown autism is genetic. Parents who live with autistic children often look for reasons why this happened to them. Unfortunately they are not there. There is no higher incidence of autism in children who are vaccinated than that of children who are not vaccinated. I know that a lot of people believe that these illnesses will not happen to their children, but I'm telling you that no one thinks it will happen to them and it does. Children suffer, get hospitalized, brain damage, paralysis, blindness, sterility, and die from these illnesses that can be prevented. Please, before you decide to not vaccinate your child, get all the facts on these illnesses and the risks of them and weigh them against the risks of the vaccines (as taken from research and not opinion).





Everyone should listen to Sarah. She is a PEDIATRIC NURSE, meaning she knows what's best for children. There is no reason to space out/not get your child vaccinated. Diseases that were thought to be extinct are now resurfacing at alarming rates due to the fact that parents won't get their child vaccinated. And unless they have a SEVERE reaction to the immunizations, there is also no reason to space them out. Why put your child through more shots and pain just to space out vaccines. But ultimately it is YOUR child and you need to do what you feel is best.





Not necessarily.  Many times, more kids die from the vaccine.



 



http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/52...



 



 

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Thank you everyone for you posts. I have had alot of you give me some helpful books to read. We are deciding not to vax at this time.

Not trying to stir the pot any, but for those of you that think your children might catch a disease from a nonvax kid....if you trust your doctor and the vax's, you should not feel that way. But either way, you have to do what your heart tells you to do.

Thanks for all the responses. :)

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Quoting Sarah:

As a pediatric nurse, I have seen children die from illnesses that are 100% preventable by immunizations. I suggest that people get their "research" from reliable and credible resources instead of thinking that everything on the internet is correct, it is not. Vaccinations DO NOT cause autism. Research has shown autism is genetic. Parents who live with autistic children often look for reasons why this happened to them. Unfortunately they are not there. There is no higher incidence of autism in children who are vaccinated than that of children who are not vaccinated. I know that a lot of people believe that these illnesses will not happen to their children, but I'm telling you that no one thinks it will happen to them and it does. Children suffer, get hospitalized, brain damage, paralysis, blindness, sterility, and die from these illnesses that can be prevented. Please, before you decide to not vaccinate your child, get all the facts on these illnesses and the risks of them and weigh them against the risks of the vaccines (as taken from research and not opinion).


Everyone should listen to Sarah. She is a PEDIATRIC NURSE, meaning she knows what's best for children. There is no reason to space out/not get your child vaccinated. Diseases that were thought to be extinct are now resurfacing at alarming rates due to the fact that parents won't get their child vaccinated. And unless they have a SEVERE reaction to the immunizations, there is also no reason to space them out. Why put your child through more shots and pain just to space out vaccines. But ultimately it is YOUR child and you need to do what you feel is best.

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I did limited vaccinations. Dr. Sears has a great book about vaccinations and the side effects of each one. it also will tell you an alternative to the regular vaccination schedule. you can get vaccinations when your child is bigger and you can limit the amount you give them. good luck mama.

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yes my son is almost 2 and has never gotten any shots what so ever. My aunt hasnt gotten her kids any of their shots and they are 16 years old and 10 years old. As long as you feed them good nutrious food and vitamins every day they will be fine. i know plenty of moms who had to smartest kids and then when she took them to get there 1 year old shots they started to slow down....and 2 of them now have autistic kids. im not willing to chance that happening to my some. But do your researchm, then decide.

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We do not vaccinate. To go into why would take me hours. I'll just say my kids are the healthiest kids I've ever seen. I'll never ever vaccinate after all the research I've done.

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I do not vaccinate... I have a 2 yr old and a 3 mth old. They are both extremely healthy. Really look into the facts... Not the facts the pharmacutical company gives you, before you decide.

A great book if you are interested in more information is

Dr. Tim O'Shea's The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination is NOT Immunization...

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Just correcting a bit of misinformation I read above: Hep B is not strictly an STD. It is a blood-borne illness as well, just like HIV. People can get it from exposure to blood products or accidental needle-sticks. I'm not getting into this debate about vaccinating or not... I'm one of those icky doctor-types. ;-) So, obviously, I'm biased.

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Quoting Kirsten:

I actually just read that there was a study suggesting an immunity issue in children with autism that makes them more likely to have reactions. If this is true, than the autism is causing the reactions, not the reactions causing autism. I thought it was an interesting study.


Hi there - I'm very interested to read more about that. Any chance you could post a link? Thanks!

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I actually just read that there was a study suggesting an immunity issue in children with autism that makes them more likely to have reactions. If this is true, than the autism is causing the reactions, not the reactions causing autism. I thought it was an interesting study.

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i chose to not have my baby vaccinated till after she's two or maybe later. but with that kind of decision must come some practicality. of course i wouldn't send my child to potentially health hazardous places (overseas, hospitals), i breastfeed to promote immunity, and i allow her to build her immune system (ex: playing in the dirt). if the time comes that i get her vaccinated, they will be spaced out and taken one at a time.

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Note-- It is not an anti vaccine book but is written honestly and in an easy format.

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I have only given my daughter the PC vaccine. I waited until she was 9 months old. This is the only vaccine I will give her until she is at least 10 or until we travel outside the U.S.

A great book is The Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears

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That is great news. Though it is still safer to go with the preservative-free. Thank goodness there is an option!

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Quoting Whitney:

Whatever your opinion about vaccines, IF you decide to get them, get PRESERVATIVE-FREE vaccines! The ones with the preservatives have things like antifreeze in them.


There are many excellent reasons to request preservative-free (i.e., thimerosal free) vaccines. But at the risk of seeming disagreeable, I do respectfully want to comment that claims of vaccines having antifreeze in them do not appear to be accurate.



 



http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9



 



There were early claims that polyethylene glycol, a major component of antifreeze, was also used in the sythesis of thimerosal. That is not correct -- thimerosal is synthesized using ethyl mercuric chloride, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethanol. Thimerosal has been removed from nearly all childhood vaccines.

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Whatever your opinion about vaccines, IF you decide to get them, get PRESERVATIVE-FREE vaccines! The ones with the preservatives have things like antifreeze in them.

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After careful research and consideration, my husband and I made the personal decision to vaccinate on schedule. I hope the following facts are helpful for anybody else grappling with this decision:



* The original study by Andrew Wakefield that started the autism-vaccine scare included only TWELVE participants. No subsequent study has substantiated Wakefield's claims.



* The original paper did not conclude that vaccines should be discontinued altogether. It simply suggested that the MMR should be split into three separate jabs and spaced a year apart until the matter could be studied further.



* The journal that originally published this paper retracted it due to grave questions about the quality of the research methods used. So did 10 of its 13 authors.



* In 2008 Wakefield started hearings on professional misconduct charges. In 2009, he came under additional scrutiny for accusations that he falsified the research for his original report.

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