My 1 week old baby spits up, thick 'curdully' milk every time I lay him down even up to 2 hrs after I feed him. He chokes on it, and it even comes out his nose! It seems like he just gets settled and it's time for a feeding again, repeating the whole process! He's totally breastfed. Has any other mothers experienced this with their babes?

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Hallie - posted on 02/05/2009

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my la la is a chuka and throws up up to 2 hours after a feed she has always done this and still does.... i take a change of clothes when we go out as well hahaha... aparently some chuck and some dont

Wendy - posted on 02/04/2009

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This sounds like my Liam-he's a reflux baby-don't lay him down flat, preferably ever really if it is reflux. You could try tylenol (baby) as directed 30 minutes before eating-check this site out for info- http://www.infantrefluxdisease.com/about... Talk to the Dr. though-it could be pyloric stenosis also-here's a site about that. http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/dig...

Mostly though, don't worry! It's treatable.

User - posted on 01/30/2009

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This is not a medical problem but a laundry problem. My little guy did it for 7.5 months after EVERY feed. It was everywhere. It got to the point no one wanted to hold him. Then magically it just stopped. Best thing is to have tons fo receiving blankets all around and use it to clean up the mess. Some babies little flap is just not strong enough to keep the food down yet and as they grow it will get stronger. Try to stay away from meds. Today it seems like the answer is reflux all the time but that's becuase they have drugs for it. It gross but before you know it it will all be over. Hang in there!

Kathy - posted on 01/29/2009

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Thank you all who responded and offered their advice and suggestions. Through a combination of all your help, I feel more educated and in-control of my newborns condition. He's responding well to some of the treatments that have been suggested, and after consulting with my doctor, she supports the methods that I've chosen to adopt, thanks to this web-site! It has been most valuable to me, and I hope I can play a part in helping some-one else, the same way you have all helped me!! I'm so glad I found out about this site! Thanks again to all who cared enough to respond to my conversation post! Kathy.

Wendy - posted on 02/04/2009

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Quoting Kathy:

Thanks again Christa Williams, for your advise and encouragement! It's been very helpful! I've cut out dairy and soy prod. for the last couple days and it has made a big difference! He still spits up, but it's not as thick or 'curdeled' as it was. So he hasn't been choking on it the same. And keeping him 'up-right' like you and many others have suggested keeps him way more comfortable b/w feedings. Just wondering, if he does have an intolerence to dairy/soy &/or suffer fr reflux, is this something he'll outgrow?, has your children?



YES they out grow this-usually by 6 months and almost definately by 1 year. It's a developmental thing with their esophagus (sp?)-but it does get better-the thing is, if you don't "treat" it now, there could be damage caused by the acid in the mean time while this is still a problem-but it sounds like you are "treating" it by keeping him upright. I found burping often is helpful too. I burp my little guy every 7 minutes while feeding. My Dr. also said that ovol drops (which helps with gas) helps with reflux. You could always add this to what you are already doing. Do what you can to reduce the chance of any damage to the esophagus for future.

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User - posted on 02/04/2009

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If not reflux, maybe u should burp the baby b4 u switch to another side coz i had that b4 and don't overfed the baby...otherwise consult ur doctor...

Christa - posted on 02/03/2009

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Hey - you're welcome - no problem. Here is a link to Amazon - the cookbook that had lots of non dairy/soy ideas/substitutions, etc. I foung it to be very helpful. The recipes aren't terrific, but there are good ideas on where to start, and great info on how to read labels etc. There is also a book called "Sophie Safe Cooking" which is another good resource (both were recommended by my pedi) http://www.amazon.com/Milk-Protein-Intol...

Then you can check foodallergy.org for some good info.

And yes - generally they do outgrow the reflux. Like I said - it usually peaks around 4 months. My first was on Zantac for about 10 months then - like another mom said - we just let him outgrow the dose. My second is still on prevacid, but he's now almost 7 months and doing great. We're keeping him on it until I try reintroducing dairy and soy, so we're sure of what the culprit is if he has a reaction (can't take him off the meds and reintroduce the foods at the same time). Hang in there - it can be tough... I have a long list of foods I can't wait to indulge in!

Marisa - posted on 01/29/2009

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My 2nd son experienced the same thing all the way down to coming out the nose. He has since been diagnosed with reflux. In the beginning I was told a couple things. First make sure your little one isn't getting to much to fast.It seemed that my son had both symptoms of fore milk issues and reflux. Try looking it up to get an idea of what it is. I could go on about it and still not give you all you may want to know. But like the other girl mentioned gulping air is a idea. Try feeding in a down hill way. Lay back in a chair and let him nurse. If this isn't working in a week it probably is reflux. My little one which you didn't mention would pull off and arch his back when feeding. This was a sign of being uncomfortable do to reflux. Oh and are you emptying one side or feeding on both?

Kathy - posted on 01/29/2009

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Thanks again Christa Williams, for your advise and encouragement! It's been very helpful! I've cut out dairy and soy prod. for the last couple days and it has made a big difference! He still spits up, but it's not as thick or 'curdeled' as it was. So he hasn't been choking on it the same. And keeping him 'up-right' like you and many others have suggested keeps him way more comfortable b/w feedings. Just wondering, if he does have an intolerence to dairy/soy &/or suffer fr reflux, is this something he'll outgrow?, has your children?

Christa - posted on 01/28/2009

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if for some reason you end up having to do the elimination diet thing - and I so hope you don't - I'm happy to help you out with info. I had a fabulous pediatrician who wholeheartedly supports breastfeeding (she has 4 kids - the youngest about a month older than my baby), and she offered so much support. She even called after hours herself to see how we were doing - Wow. I couldn't have done it without her - you know - screaming newborn, energetic 2 1/2 year old, recovering from a c-section, living away from family, husband working a lot to cover the expenses while I was off from work - then I had to completely change my diet?? We made it though, and the reward is huge.

Christa - posted on 01/28/2009

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Good question! Enriched rice milk, calcium enriched foods (check your juices, cereals, etc.), and supplements.

Avaria - posted on 01/28/2009

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try burping the baby more than once.  this should not happen with breastfeeding babies though as they say you cannot over feed with breatmilk.  consult your doctor if all else fails.  but try burping more than once.

Carrie - posted on 01/28/2009

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My baby did not do that but he did get to the point he would nurse two minutes then vomit the curdy stuff for an hour.  After 14 days in the hospital we were diagnosed with reflux.  Acsid has made all the difference! 

Kathy - posted on 01/28/2009

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Yes, my 2 week old does the same thing, put yours in a car seat after feeding and burping and see if that helps.

User - posted on 01/28/2009

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my daughter suffered from reflux in her younger months, it came out her nose and the whole deal, she often choked as well. it's when the bottom of the esophigus doesn't close properly. What i found really helped was keeping her upright as much as possible. when laying her down I made sure she was on an incline. (head a little higher than the rest of her body), i also heald her in a semi upright position while nursing. avoid any bouncing right after nursing, and do your best to get those burps out.
I also purchaced an Amby Baby bed. It's like a hammok that hangs from a metal frame. it keeps baby at a 30 degree incline while sleeping. "the baby book" by dr sears has lots of info on this topic. there's also a website www.askdrsears.com VERY helpful with advice on many baby/toddler related questions.

Bobbie - posted on 01/28/2009

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I agree with the some of the above posters. If your child seems to be a happy spitter then do not worry but if he seems hard to settle or overly cranky he may have GERD. My little one has it bad. I also had to take dairy, soy, pernatal vitimins, oatmeal, garlic, anything acidic, and some wheat out of my diet.



I would try a complete elimination diet. Eat nothing but poultry for about a month to allow all the offending foods to be cleared from your system and then after that slowly reintroduce one food at a time about 5 days apart to see exactly what your baby is allergic or sensitive to.



I am not going to lie it is super hard but worth it. After all of that you are going to need to take a daily supplment for Calcuim.



Also try Zantac if that does not work after two weeks try Prevacid.



Good luck!!!

Stacy - posted on 01/28/2009

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My baby did the same exact thing. I really thought something was wrong when it was coming out of her nose. The doc didnt see anything wrong with it. She did it quite often during the first month,

Allison - posted on 01/28/2009

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Hi. I had the same problem and tried everything under the sun. People would give me advice all the time and nothing seemed to make it better. I finally called my pediatrician, desperate, and she had me come in, describe what happens, and then put my son on Zantac. He is now 5 months old and is still on it. They have kept the dosage the same from when he was 1 month so as he grows, he wings himself off of it. The key to tell your doctor: it occurs way past an hour after feedings, it is stomach acid-not just milk, he makes gasping noises throughout the day, and cries a lot b/c of the acid burning his esophagus. Hope it gets better, Zantac was a life savor for us!

Stephanie - posted on 01/28/2009

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My son did that when he was little.  To find out he had reflux.  They put him on baby Zantac until he was about 9 months, and his spitting up was much less. 

Kathy - posted on 01/28/2009

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Hi, Christa Williams. Thankyou for your advice. I just have 1 ques. If you've cut out dairy and soy, how do you get your daily rec. of calcium and vit.D?

Leeann - posted on 01/28/2009

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My first when fed would projectial vomit after feeding, he would choke on it and it would come out his nose. I asked the Doctor about it and he said it was due to over feeding. I had both my nipples pierced prior and one the milk comes out twice as fast as the other, so he would take too much too fast.

Idora - posted on 01/28/2009

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i had the same problem too. visited 2 doctors who gave different opinions. one said that he has a reflux due to overfeeding. apparently my baby drinks more than he should so his stomach rejects the overflow and caused it to go out incl his nose. another doctor theory is that he has swollen nostril that makes it difficult for him to drink properly so caused the milk to go back up again. but not to worry, my baby is getting better. yes acidic food can caused reflux and yes tilt him a bit when u feed him.

Rebbeca - posted on 01/27/2009

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maybe your bub needs to be burped for a little longer to prevent it from coming back up. this is what usaully caused it (and it still does) with my little one. the curduling i also experienced and still do after 10 weeks and have no idea how to prevent it, sorry.

Christa - posted on 01/27/2009

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If he's happy despite it and continues to gain weight, the Dr. will probably call him a "happy spitter" and leave it at that. I used to get so scared hearing my little guy gag that I had him sleep in the bouncer or car seat in my room. Most Dr.s will want to know that you've tried the precautions: holding upright (kangaroo care is great) 20-30 min after a feeding and have elevated the head of the crib mattress 4-6 inches with either a wedge or by placing a blanket, towel, pillow, or books UNDER the mattress. If those things don't work, and he remains upset, I would definitely see the Dr. Food for thought: My guys both had reflux that required medication. My second baby also has milk and soy protein allergy. His behavior tipped us off, then we checked his stool for blood (+). I went on an elimination diet and found that both milk and soy products were to blame. I've been dairy and soy free since early September, and he is a different baby! So - hopefully you don't have to go there, but just in case - I know what it's like.

Katie - posted on 01/27/2009

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My son has reflux, too, and when he first came home he would spit up piles. He'd wake up ready for a bath everyday. Try 'Kangaroo Care' with him after you feed him (lay him on your bare chest with his tummy to yours, only in his diaper) the hormones that are released help with digestion.



I agree with Melissa, too, try cutting dairy out of your diet and see if that helps. My doctor told us that as long as he doesn't loose weight and we could stand the clean up it was better to let it go, instead of medicating an infant, but I do know that there is stuff he can be prescribed if it becomes a major problem.



One other thing I have been trying recently is taking probiotics. I drink Kefir in the mornings, eat yogurt, and take the probiotic Pearls, all of which are excreted in breastmilk for him. It seems to be helping his digestive system mature (he's a little older, too).

Melissa - posted on 01/27/2009

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my daughter used to spit up curdled milk if I ate a lot of dairy the day before. After a few months it stopped. Try cutting out certain foods and reintroducing them to your diet slowly.

Shannon - posted on 01/27/2009

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Im not sure about the curdled thing, but i know the spitting up is normal in breastfed babies. they suck air more than bottlefed babies. try burping your baby for a longer period of time to make sure you get everything, and try laying him on his side or belly so they dont choke on it and wake themselvs up.i also gave my baby milicon before every feeding, even if it was 20 mins. its not a drug, so it wont do harm, i would just put a small drop in his mouth, you dont have to do the full dose. milcon is a life saver with gas! and my baby for the first 3 months, he was eating every half hour to 40 min's....babies love the boobie!!   but deff. ask the doc. about the curdled milk, or find laleche league in your area, those woman are specialtist in breastfeeding, they would be able to help you out.  www.lalecheleague.com    good luck!

Amy - posted on 01/27/2009

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i have experienced this a bit with this third baby- i like to keep him elevated more often.   i do think he has the reflux, too, somewhat.  don't worry about it though....sounds like it isn't bad!

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I would recommend elevating the head of the crib by putting something like a thick book underneat the mattress.  Sounds like your baby has reflux.  Gravity will help keep it down.

Sheena - posted on 01/27/2009

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My son used to do this when he was younger....i then started to watch what I ate.  My son has a lot of "curdly spit-up" when I eat acidic foods such as....tomatoe sauce, soy sauce, fried foods & gassy foods.  I really have to watch my diet so that he doesn't have really bad reflux.  When he does have bad reflux I use gripe water..it helps but makes him a little constipated :(

Helen - posted on 01/27/2009

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My daughter does the same... I found that she was taking in some air when she was feeding and when the little bubbles came up it would bring some of her stomach content with it and she'd spit up, even hours after feeding. I'm giving her Infacol drops to make the little bubbles into big bubbles so the air comes up in one go instead of little by little.

Heather - posted on 01/27/2009

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I didn't experience this exactly, but call your doctor. They may be able to help you.

Stephanie - posted on 01/27/2009

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I've experienced the same type of output, but not that often or out of the nose. You may want to talk with your doctor - I know a lot of babies suffer from reflux.

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