Overfeeding?

Stacey - posted on 09/25/2009

You can't overfeed a baby so if your daughter is hungry let her feed. If she is spitting up/vomitting have you considered she may have reflux?

Fallon - posted on 09/24/2009

Why does everyone get so mad..the most obvious advice..what a lactation consultant might say..is just feed your baby as often as it is hungry..it'll be fine..all that stuff about supply and demand is true..i know I'm feeding twins right now who are nearly 6 months old and still gaining well..on the other hand..why argue with the lady with the over eater? her experience might be the one thing this mom needed to hear..but meanwhile I would say if YOUR baby seems healthy and wants to nurse often nurse her..my 2 year old nursed constantly until he was about 6 months old and is no worse the wear for it and we have a great bond

Erica - posted on 09/24/2009

i just took my must be underfeed baby to the doctor today and he is in the 75 and 90percental for everything so apparently i am doing something worng as well considering thati only feed him ever 3- 4 hours and he is ahead on developmental and motor skills but i dont know what i am talking about considering i am not just reading articals but taking advice from educated and experieced people

Vicki - posted on 09/24/2009

No, at one month old, your body is still adjusting your supply to baby's demand. and baby's stomach is TINY. He will only be able to eat the slightest amount at one feeding, and WILL need to feed again in an hour or two!!

You cannot over feed a breastfed baby... ESPECIALLY AT ONE MONTH.

Erica - posted on 09/24/2009

not if you let them eat contantly and jusy keep getting sick, listen some women make too much milk and when a baby is a month old does not know when to stop so when a baby is throwing up constantly and gaging b/c they are TOOO FULL that mean s they eat too much for ex at the time one night i decided to see how much milk i had and pumped 24oz this was at one sitting but the time my son was 2 months old i had enough supply in my frezzer to feed mutiple babies i actually started giving some to my 3year old as well so yea some women make alot more milk and babies DO over eat and actually was at the doctors today a different one from the last 2 and she on top of the 2 other doc and 3 lacation specialists have told me to stop feeding him as much at night, b/c they dont need it. i am not saying it teaches them to overeat but yes they can over eat especially at 1 month old

Vicki - posted on 09/24/2009

Quoting Erica:

ok well you might want to do more reasearch since my son was EBF until he was four months old and went through it , and actully yes my son was getting too many calories hense the 2lbs in 2 weeks and i was nurseing on demand i still am except i wont let him nurse unless it has been longer then 2 hours, and not only we knew he was overfeeding b/c the weight he also started to get sick and then choke after a feeding while laying down hense too much milk in his belly that he couldnt fit so dont tell me you cant b/c you def can

This seriously makes me laugh!! Oh my poor son, I must have REALLY been overfeeding him, for he gained at least a pound a week during the first couple of months... Hm, somehow, despite his obesity, the local health nurses were telling me, "That's all breastmilk, way to go! What a healthy boy. Keep it up." He is now nine months old and probably about 22-23lbs. At four months of age he was in the 95th percentile for both height and weight (because I overfed and he's obese, right? LOL) No he is not a tiny baby. There is NO REASON to restrict a baby's diet. How horrific is that idea!?

Vanessa - posted on 09/23/2009

Erica, breastfeeding is "self feeding".....natures way of learing how to eat what you need to be physically and emotionally nourished! your baby takes what they need from your breast. please understand that breastfeeding DOES NOT "teach them to over eat"......just the opposite!

Erica - posted on 09/23/2009

if you dont think your doctors lookling out for whats right for YOU baby then you should change doctor and yea you just made my point extra weight for no reason at all except to teach them to over eat will put them behind my son is 7.5 months old and has been crawling since 6 months and pulling up for 2 weeks now

Zodwa - posted on 09/23/2009

You are SO right Vanessa! Hear hear!

Vanessa - posted on 09/23/2009

when are people going to understand that MOST doctors know virtually nothing about breastfeeding! they spend all those years studying medicine to learn about sickness and disease NOT normal healthy breastfeeding. infact its a know fact that the average doctor has been exposed to around HALF A DAY's breastfeeding education the their whole entire medical training and many doctors are men, that have no clue or experience of breastfeeding. many Pead doctors in the US seriously confuse breastfeeding with formula feeding and hand out incorrect advise, they actually should be ashamed of themselves for ruining so many perfectly normal breastfeeding relationships.

so if you want sound, accurate breastfeeding advise, seek out and ask an experienced breastfeeding mother....you will find plenty of these willing, understanding women at the Australian Breastfeeding Association or La Leache League (or any similar group in your home countries).

as for Erica, i am sorry you have been so serverly misguided in the breastfeeding advise that has been given to you. you truly have been let down. its actually very normal for breastfed babies to gain alot of weigh very rapidly.....infact it is vital for survival. but the weight gain in the breastfed infant levels out at around 5 months of age and then their weight gain is slow and steady until around 12 months of age where it levels out again.....SO, your breastfed baby would not have continued to gain weight at that rate and would not have ended up obese. on the other hand, its the formula fed babies that end up getting overgrown.....why would a exclusive breastmilk diet, that is the biologically expected food for your baby make them fat??? it just doesn't make sense Erica.



for the original poster...i see you have already been given excellent advise from Lisa M, Mandy D and Jackie C......they are on the money!

mothers and newborn babies are designed to be together constantly. breastfeeding is supposed to be frequent. (unfortunately the "formula culture" has done much damage to most peoples knowlegde and understanding of breastfeeding).

Like Lisa said....breastfeeding is "a perfect system"......follow your baby's cues, trust your baby and trust your boobs, you can't go wrong.

i have block fed both my babies and we have been very happy, healthy breastfeeding duo's.

Jen - posted on 09/22/2009

Quoting Mandy:

Quoting Erica:

i was happy to know my baby wasnt going to choke anymore when he was sleeping and also 2 lbs in 2 weeks if he kept that up he would be sooooo fat thats whats wrong today, i am for ltting them figure out when they are full on there ownbut when they are older he does not need to be drinking 10oz at a month old like he was and then getting sick , you could literally watch his belly getting full and if he kept gaining that kind of weight he would have been so over weight its not even funny thus putting him behind in everything, also b/c he learned to go longer stretchs he started sleeping longer, which everyone knows they need sleep to grow as well

My son put on 2.2 lbs on a week. does that mean he will be obese and behind in everything?

he is now 8mo, sitting by himself, nearly pulling himself to a standing position, nearly crawling, and is NOT obese.

I totally agree with Mandy. My little boy (also EBF) was putting on an average of 4lbs a month for the first four months of his life. He was a very solid lil boy but I'm completely ok with that. I'd rather him be slightly chunky until he learns to crawl/walk and will slim down, rather than have a baby that isn't thriving and putting on weight.

Also Erica, so far my little one is NOT behind at all (even though he's probably obese in your opinion) and in fact is meeting, if not exceeding, all of his milestones for his age. As of five months, (he is now just shy of 6mths) he has been sitting on his own, without any pillows or support, rolls from front to back and back to front and is also spending alot of his time trying to master the art of crawling.

For the original poster, I wouldn't worry about having to starve your baby. If she's hungry then nurse her, I agree that its nearly impossible to overfeed a breastfed baby. The amount of time that they are nursing will calm down as your little one gets older. Plus you have to remember that around the 3wk mark, they go through a growth spurt and I remember feeling like my son was bf'ing CONSTANTLY around that point.

Jen - posted on 09/22/2009

Quoting Mandy:

Quoting Erica:

i was happy to know my baby wasnt going to choke anymore when he was sleeping and also 2 lbs in 2 weeks if he kept that up he would be sooooo fat thats whats wrong today, i am for ltting them figure out when they are full on there ownbut when they are older he does not need to be drinking 10oz at a month old like he was and then getting sick , you could literally watch his belly getting full and if he kept gaining that kind of weight he would have been so over weight its not even funny thus putting him behind in everything, also b/c he learned to go longer stretchs he started sleeping longer, which everyone knows they need sleep to grow as well

My son put on 2.2 lbs on a week. does that mean he will be obese and behind in everything?

he is now 8mo, sitting by himself, nearly pulling himself to a standing position, nearly crawling, and is NOT obese.

I totally agree with Mandy. My little boy (also EBF) was putting on an average of 4lbs a month for the first four months of his life. He was a very solid lil boy but I'm completely ok with that. I'd rather him be slightly chunky until he learns to crawl/walk and will slim down, rather than have a baby that isn't thriving and putting on weight.

Also Erica, so far my little one is NOT behind at all (even though he's probably obese in your opinion) and in fact is meeting, if not exceeding, all of his milestones for his age. As of five months, (he is now just shy of 6mths) he has been sitting on his own, without any pillows or support, rolls from front to back and back to front and is also spending alot of his time trying to master the art of crawling.

For the original poster, I wouldn't worry about having to starve your baby. If she's hungry then nurse her, I agree that its nearly impossible to overfeed a breastfed baby. The amount of time that they are nursing will calm down as your little one gets older. Plus you have to remember that around the 3wk mark, they go through a growth spurt and I remember feeling like my son was bf'ing CONSTANTLY around that point.

Mandy - posted on 09/22/2009

it is amazing how easy things are with the right advice

Minnie - posted on 09/22/2009

Me too Mandy. I never knew about block feeding with Evelyn, and she vomited all the time. The nurses had told me to nurse her for something like 15 minutes, burp her, and then switch to the other breast. I had a serious case of oversupply. With Adelaide, I nurse her off one breast for at least two feedings even at 11 months.

Mandy - posted on 09/22/2009

i can only feed my 8mo on one side per feed. before i started dfoing this, he was extremely unsettled and chucky. he wasnt getting the thicker hindmilk.

my dr told me to not feed him so mich, i didnt listen as he was thriving. he is now a big boy, but healthy and active. only because they dont stick to the graph the dr looks at, doesnt mean they are putting on too much weight.

Minnie - posted on 09/22/2009

Quoting Melissa:

Several people have mentioned blockfeeding. What is that?

Blockfeeding is a way to regulate your supply.  You nurse for however many feedings it takes to where you can no longer easily squeeze out milk from one breast.  Then you would switch to the other and do the same. The way it works is to reduce stimulation on the other breast, while minimizing the amount of foremilk sitting in the current breast.

Kimberly - posted on 09/22/2009

I sounds like a growth spurt. When my little guy goes through he will nurse every hour. Stick with it and be patient. It is worth it.

Melissa - posted on 09/22/2009

Several people have mentioned blockfeeding. What is that?

Cristina - posted on 09/22/2009

Well, to be honest, a routine is the one thing that saved my days with my newborn, I had the feeding times every two hours, I made a lot of milk, so I pumped and froze my milk I actually saw how much milk I was giving him a sitting, My son ate a lot, but in his case didn't spit up too much, and for what you say doctors say about growing too quickly, that is not bad at all, that means you're doing your job well, as long as they don't get fat, but I've never seen a fat baby on breast milk.

Also, try to see if the baby might have reflux, it's normal for newborns to have it, some more than others.

if you feel that you are indeed over feeding, talk to your doc. and ask as many questions that come on mind. Don't feel silly about asking too many question, to inquire is to know.

Stina - posted on 09/22/2009

Talk to your doctor about possible acid reflux. This was an issue for my first dd. And because my milk was so plentiful and had such a fast letdown, she would get her fill long before her desire to suck was satisfied. So she'd eat, start to gag and vomit large quantities of milk.

A prescription to help the reflux and a pacifier to give her when she seemed full helped. If she wasn't full, she rejected the pacifier. By about three months she no longer needed or took one.

Ashley - posted on 09/22/2009

Oh, I should probably add that Axid is a prescription for reflux that my son's pediatrician gave us.

Holly - posted on 09/22/2009

I had the same question, and all of the information above is very helpful! I really appreciate the links that have been posted and all the real life experience advise. I'm a first time mom to a 1 week old and I was starting to get worried about the amount of spit-up my baby has. The information above has been so helpful and nerve calming for me.



Thank you!

Ashley - posted on 09/22/2009

My son did that, turned out he had reflux. I put him on Axid and it really helped. He is also on Enfamil Gentlease (as a supplement, sometimes my bubs wants more breastmilk than I can make) and that helps too.

I personally don't believe that breastfed babies can overeat, I know formula babies can, and that it is common.

Rooting every hour is common for breastfed babies as they digest the milk quickly. When she gets a little older she will space it out to her liking.

I have never heard of stretching out feeds from my son's doctor...maybe if they are formula fed.

Try a pacifier if you think she may be full. Sometimes babies like to comfort nurse, mine does!

I do not wish to start a fight on here, these are just my opinions!

Good luck to you! :)

Billie - posted on 09/22/2009

Another thing to take into consideration is that all babies go through growth spurts and yours may be doing so and wanting to eat all the time because of that, but it will more than likely be fine as long as the baby isn't constantly throwing up or having any other issues. Plump babies are cute :)

Minnie - posted on 09/22/2009

Throwing up in infants (not just wet burps, but projectile vomiting) is often due to a foremilk/hindmilk imbalance. Blockfeeding is how one would rectify it. In this case, baby is getting too much foremilk (and thus needs to take in more milk to satisfy caloric requirements).

But it is NOT a case of baby overeating.

Faith - posted on 09/22/2009

That puking is not always due to too much in the belly! Have you looked into the possibilty that she may have bad reflux?????????? Some babies get very bad reflux that leads to nasty projectile vomiting.
I talked with a mom who's baby was BF and she said he did have it and the only way she could keep his milk down was to pump her milk and and a product called Simply Thick to her milk to hold it down in his stomach. (her doctors tried to make her use formula)
DO NOT restrict feedings based on "overeating" this will do more harm then good.
And don't let a doctor tell you that you "have to" use formula if you don't want to. You don't have to take there advice if you don't think it is right. She's your baby!

Danielle - posted on 09/22/2009

I think my daughter is overeating as well. She is almost 2 wks old and she power pukes practically everything she has eaten all day sometimes. I called my pediatrician and she said it is possible for them to eat too much. Dr. appt today cuz it makes me nervous, she shouldn't be vomitting that much.

Jackie - posted on 09/22/2009

Oh and one mom said something about 2 lbs in 2 weeks. An EBF baby should gain 0.5 lbs to 1 lbs a week! I'm not sure what her health care professionals issues were but 2 lbs in 2 weeks is great.

Jackie - posted on 09/22/2009

The Lactation experts are right and let me explain why you can't over fed an EBF baby. The milk is basically prefect for them. So they use it VERY quickly basically meaning they digested it the way its suppose to be. Effectively and efficiently. This is why nursed babys can go up to a week without a bowel movement.. there is no waste!

Now that being said chances are your baby is prepping for a growth spurt which means you NEED to feed when the baby gives the cues. She/he is trying to up your milk supply and the only way to do that is to nurse. Nursed babies can't grow too fast. They can't get too fat. Everything they are taking in is so good for them its a good thing to have a large chunky nursed baby. And its important not to put the baby on a routine... you can actually end up harming your child and causing her to lose weight. She knows when she is hungry she knows when she needs energy. So let her tell you.

Zodwa - posted on 09/22/2009

Yes. It's a hot debate: feeding on demand vs scheduled feeding. Why do moms get so emotional - every baby is different and these forums act as platforms to vent share discuss debate without hurling insult. Even experts come from different schools of thought and have differing opinions... no point in joining in conversations if you aren't open minded.
Thanks for sharing everyone.

Beth - posted on 09/22/2009

hmmm i was reading all these comments and one got me laughing alittle. Are you eating healthy when your breastfeeding? because usually if your eating healthy while your just breastfeeding no formula at all then your baby shouldnt be over weight, unless there is an underlying problem? I breasfeed my oldest till she was 1 yrs old, she gained weight very well, shes just like me now, small in all ways lol, but thin too, she is in no way over weight and never was, she eat whenever she was hungry. plus like i said and others have said before babies are all different, shapes, and sizes, they grow differently and do things at different times no child is the same as another at everything.

Jill - posted on 09/21/2009

My son was like that! He would breastfeed for almost an hour each breast before finally falling asleep. I kept letting him do that for the first month until I asked my mom what she would do.

Try a pacifier, your baby may just need to suck on something to settle their stomach to calm themselves or just to practise.

If their still hungry they'll spit it out and let you know they want some more!!

Nora - posted on 09/21/2009

I have been told also that you can never over feed a breast feed baby. Some babies are more spilly then other, if your baby just spills a little after a feed I wouldn't worry to much as it is amazing how much they can drink in such a short period of time and if your baby is gaining plenty of weight I am sure she is fine.If it feels like she is always hungry it could also be a growth spurt...with the finger sucking she could be just a suckie baby meaning always wanting to suck something breast/fingers...maybe a pacifier could help? In regards to a routine have you tried a feed / play / sleep routine? At that age they shouldn't be up for longer then an hour.. so once baby wakes, feed her give her half an hour to feed then burp ,change her nappy, give her tummy time, when she gets grumpy put her onto her back for a kick about/play then as soon as you see any tired signs eg clenched fists, jerking movements, grizzling then wrap her and put her to in her cot/bassinet. Hope this helps. : )

Tehara - posted on 09/21/2009

My daughter is a big girl but she is active at almost 9months she is cruzing around the furniture I don't see a problem as she is happy an healthy, where as my son i listened to the doctors an made a routine with his feeding an he was always alot smaller than other babies an still is heaps smaller than most other 2yr olds, he is tall but looks like a stick even though he eats really well an frequiently now maybe FOD with him would of made him a healthier baby an he would be abit more than skin an bone. I don't believe that you can over feed a EBF baby but each to their own opinions as I have experienced that my daughter will stop when she is full or doesn't want anymore an has been like that from day one. Don't cut your baby short how will he/she grow to their full potential when as a infant they were cut short? If you are worried about it then got see a pediatrician an ask what they would reccomend you do, get lots of different opinions from different doctors before you do anything to major an make sure it is what is going to be best for your baby in the long run.

Hope that helps...

Minnie - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Erica:

i really dont care about above articals i know it hapened to me and i have had pretty much everything so i think i know

You don't care about fact, you think you know?  There's a term for this sort of thinking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmatio...

Mandy - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Erica:

oh yea a baby can be obese and if i didnt listen to my dr mine whould be i did listen and my son is at a perfect weight and is thrieving well, he is actually ahead and we have no problems with him eating

ou are lucky then. but i would not want to advise someone to not feed so much as if it causes problems with breastfeeding i wouldnt want to be responsible for ruining it for them.

Mandy - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Erica:

i was happy to know my baby wasnt going to choke anymore when he was sleeping and also 2 lbs in 2 weeks if he kept that up he would be sooooo fat thats whats wrong today, i am for ltting them figure out when they are full on there ownbut when they are older he does not need to be drinking 10oz at a month old like he was and then getting sick , you could literally watch his belly getting full and if he kept gaining that kind of weight he would have been so over weight its not even funny thus putting him behind in everything, also b/c he learned to go longer stretchs he started sleeping longer, which everyone knows they need sleep to grow as well

My son put on 2.2 lbs on a week. does that mean he will be obese and behind in everything?

he is now 8mo, sitting by himself, nearly pulling himself to a standing position, nearly crawling, and is NOT obese.

once babies start moving, they lose the baby weight. my niece was a BIG baby, she didnt crawl till 12mo because she couldnt lift her own weight (VERY cute :o)  ) she is now a healthy 7 year old who is not over weight at all.

babies put weight on at different rates. doctors follow a chart, not what is right for the baby's body.

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

oh yea a baby can be obese and if i didnt listen to my dr mine whould be i did listen and my son is at a perfect weight and is thrieving well, he is actually ahead and we have no problems with him eating

Mandy - posted on 09/21/2009

no you can not overfeed a EBF baby. My doctor told me that he was putting on too much weight at 8weeks of age, i luckily didnt listen as he is now a big baby but healthy. if you start holding off feeds, you cause alot of problems with your baby feeding. Yes, he was very chucky, but he was happy and still is.

A baby can NOT be obese.

Melissa - posted on 09/21/2009

My one month old is also constantly hungry. At about 2 weeks he was having the projectile vomit and it seemed like he threw up everything he had just eaten. I would clean us up and he would be rooting around again for more. My doctor and lactation consultant both said if he is still acting hungry after barfing everything feed him again! This only lasted for that short time and now he's keeping it all down with the exception of a little burbling. I feed him constantly, but I understand at 3 weeks they go through a growth spurt and that is normal. He gained over a pound in a week but no one seemed to be worried about it so I keep feeding him every time he roots.

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

i was happy to know my baby wasnt going to choke anymore when he was sleeping and also 2 lbs in 2 weeks if he kept that up he would be sooooo fat thats whats wrong today, i am for ltting them figure out when they are full on there ownbut when they are older he does not need to be drinking 10oz at a month old like he was and then getting sick , you could literally watch his belly getting full and if he kept gaining that kind of weight he would have been so over weight its not even funny thus putting him behind in everything, also b/c he learned to go longer stretchs he started sleeping longer, which everyone knows they need sleep to grow as well

Charlotte - posted on 09/21/2009

2 lbs in 2 weeks...why is that a bad thing? Eveyone complained that my kids weren't growing fast enough (I would have *loved* a 2lb in 2 week gain!), but then the Dr also told me that crap about waiting 2 hours before nursing again. We were both so much happier when I finally ingnored that advice and nursed the baby whenever he wanted.

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

i really dont care about above articals i know it hapened to me and i have had pretty much everything so i think i know

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

ok well you might want to do more reasearch since my son was EBF until he was four months old and went through it , and actully yes my son was getting too many calories hense the 2lbs in 2 weeks and i was nurseing on demand i still am except i wont let him nurse unless it has been longer then 2 hours, and not only we knew he was overfeeding b/c the weight he also started to get sick and then choke after a feeding while laying down hense too much milk in his belly that he couldnt fit so dont tell me you cant b/c you def can

Minnie - posted on 09/21/2009

Quoting Erica:

it is possible to over feed my baby did so, i was told by doctor and lacation consultant i believe theis was around his 4 month visit, i would feed him on demand and sometimes he would eat every hour he started to spit up and gag sometimes when he was laying down i took him to the doctor 2 weeks after a visit for another reason and he had gained 2 pounds in that 2 weeks so she told me to try and put him on a 3 -4 hour routine unless i couldnt calm him down any other wayshe did say it is rare but can happen hope this helps

You cannot overfeed an exclusively breastfed infant.  They do indeed have an ability to control their intake.  The breast does not act the same way a bottle does.

Oversupply can cause vomiting because baby needs to take in more milk to satsify his caloric requirements (there is too much foremilk in oversupply). This can cause the projectile vomiting.  But it's not a case of baby getting too many calories.  All you would need to do is block feed- where you would nurse baby on one breast for however many feedings it takes to no longer be able to easily squeeze milk out.  Then you would switch to the other breast and do the same.

Breastfeeding is a perfect system.  Breastfed babies should nurse on demand.  Scheduling a baby can actually lead to failure to thrive and dehydration.  Don't forget that breastfeeding is an important source of immunities, growth factors, and comfort.   What do you think women do in societies where there are no clocks?  Simple.  They breastfeed ON DEMAND.



It appears Erica, if you read the above articles I posted in my first response, that the biological norm for breastfeeding appears to be several times an hour. That would seem, almost constantly, wouldn't it? But that is normal, given the nature of human milk- animals who are designed to carry their infants on their bodies 24/7 have low protein and fat content- thus necessitating very frequent feedings. We are not animals that cache our young in a nest all day long.

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

yea but if you make too much milk like i did in the begging you can overfeed especially if they just onantly eat an d you r body makes more and then they end up not getting the hind milk unless you pump

Beth - posted on 09/21/2009

you can never over feed when your breastfeeding. this is my fourth child and i breastfeed all my kids. my daughters doctor told me not to feed for 15 mins then switch breast but to stay on the same breast till they drain it dry then they will pull awat from it if they are still hungry then place them on the other breast. he said the milk that comes out before the breast is empty is the milk that has more in it, it is the milk that makes them feel full. try this :)

Erica - posted on 09/21/2009

it is possible to over feed my baby did so, i was told by doctor and lacation consultant i believe theis was around his 4 month visit, i would feed him on demand and sometimes he would eat every hour he started to spit up and gag sometimes when he was laying down i took him to the doctor 2 weeks after a visit for another reason and he had gained 2 pounds in that 2 weeks so she told me to try and put him on a 3 -4 hour routine unless i couldnt calm him down any other wayshe did say it is rare but can happen hope this helps

Zodwa - posted on 09/21/2009

I'm not quite sure I understand your response Kassanda. Are you saying yes it's possible to overfeed or no it's not?

Zodwa - posted on 09/21/2009

That's super helpful thanks Lisa - I wasn't aware block feeding might rectify this problem. Sometimes she spits up and other times it's projectile of an entire feed.

And have also read the links you posted - very helpful thanks :)