You give your baby the best start by breastfeeding...

Katie - posted on 01/12/2010 ( 28 moms have responded )

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...but what happens when you introduce solids?



It has come to my attention, through reading the CoM boards, that many moms seem to be somewhat uninformed when it comes to their baby and solid foods. I've been responding to quite a few threads regarding or related to the topic of solids but I figured maybe I could reach a wider range of people if I actually made my own thread. I'm by no means a professional or an expert on the subject but I have done a lot of research and it has become a passion of mine to ensure that my baby is getting the best that I can offer him. I've acquired a good handful of knowledge along the way that I would like to share, and I hope I can bring about some awareness on a few matters.



For starters, I want to talk about the initial introduction to solids. So many times I've heard/read of moms saying that they started their baby on solids at around 3 months because their baby just wasn't being satisfied by breast milk anymore. At around 3 months there is a pretty significant growth spurt that occurs and it causes babies to feed more frequently. There is absolutely no need to introduce solids at this point. In fact, this is actually bad because babies can not get all the nutrients that they need from solid foods at such a young age. Not only can they not properly digest it, but it just plain does not have what they need. Breast milk does though. And by nursing on demand during these times (and always, of course), your milk will naturally increase. Here's a link with a little bit of info on breastfeeding and growth spurts...



http://breastfeeding.hypermart.net/growt...



A second link I would like to share is this one here...



http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids...



It talks about delaying solids till 6 months and what the benefits of doing so are.



I would also like to talk about how to introduce solids. I could go into a lot of depth on this topic but I'll try to keep it brief. Popular to contrary belief, it's not absolutely necessary to start with rice cereal, and it's also not absolutely necessary to start with purees.

The main reason people start with rice cereal is because there is a concern that baby is in desperate need of iron. But a healthy, full term baby's iron stores only JUST begin to deplete at around 6 months. So really it's not a huge concern. Especially when you take into consideration how little of the rice cereal (or any other solid for that matter) should be consumed at that age. I should also mention that rice cereal has very little nutritional value otherwise. And it has quite the rep for causing constipation.

Here's a great link that talks about iron and even gives a list of other iron rich foods...



http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/Iron.ht...



Be sure to browse that whole site too and not just the specific link. It's a goody.



So, you may or may not have heard of baby-led weaning. This is an approach to solids where purees are skipped and solid chunks of fruits, veg, and meat and other whole foods(and by whole foods I mean unprocessed, and unrefined foods) are your baby's first taste of real food (aside from what they've sampled through mommy's milk). By 6 months of age a baby is perfectly capable of picking up chunks of food, putting it in his/her mouth, and learning to chew and swallow...even without teeth! Gums are surprisingly sufficient at mashing up food as long as it's fairly soft to begin with. Purees made sense back in the day when it was common place for people to start their little ones on solids at 2 and 3 months of age. But like I said, it's not really necessary if you wait till 6 months. Here's a link to a site about baby-led weaning...



http://www.baby-led.com/



I also want to talk about nutrition and what is in the food we give to our babies. Again, I could go on and on. My main concern is people being fooled by marketing. You would think that if something has a baby on the package well then it must be good for babies, right?! Not exactly. Next time you're at the grocery store, take a walk through the baby aisle and read some of the ingredient labels. You may be surprised at some of the crap they put in that stuff. I have never bought my son any foods marketed towards babies and there's no reason for anyone to. In almost every case, the food is no better for baby than the adult alternative. Often it's worse. Here's a link I recently read and found interesting, but sadly, not surprising...



http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/...



And the last thing I want to discuss before my brain begins to fry (hehe) is water, and juice. Parents are often concerned about how much water or juice their little one is drinking once they start solids. But really, they don't need any. The main reason to introduce water when you introduce solids is just for practice and the experience. Just a couple sips a day is fine. They should be getting all the hydration they need from breast milk. Many parents introduce juice at a very young age. Some, in an attempt to convince their little one that they should drink this "stuff" from a cup. But really, why? There is no reason to introduce juice. Even with constipation, there are other avenues that should be explored before trying juice. Some parents argue that juice is giving their babies extra vitamins. But how much of that juice are they really drinking anyways? I would hope that it would be fairly small amounts. And in that case, the amount of vits is very minute. Fruit juice does not compare to whole fruit. Once again, another link...



http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname...



I'm not saying that juice is the devil. It's by far, not the worst thing you could give your baby. But it's not necessary, so what's the point?



When it comes to feeding my son, I figure, why give him a bunch of crap that he doesn't need? He's still a baby and he's quite content eating what I offer. While I am completely, and entirely in charge of what goes in his belly, I want it to be THE BEST! :)



I hope some of you learned something new from the info I had to share and maybe it will make some people think twice about what they're feeding their babies. Thanks for taking the time to read what I had to say (if you actually even made it all the way through haha). Take care all you mamas!



peace and love,

Katie



PS - "food for fun until they're one". I think it's such a wonderful, easy to remember little saying to help all of us moms remember that breast milk should be the primary source of nutrition within the first year. Please try to stick to it and don't rush your babes. They'll be grown up before you know it :)

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Katie - posted on 02/16/2010

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Jenni,

We switched to BLW a little before 7 months (we started cereal and purees at 6 months) because he was filling up on purees even though I was always offering the breast first. He wasn't letting me know when he had had enough of the purees and so I was feeding him the max recommend serving sizes :/ He would just let me keep shoveling it in. But it wasn't because he was starving. He really was just into the new experience. Unfortunately, he started taking less time at the breast because of this. I contacted a lactation consultant because I didn't want my son to wean before a year as I knew that was not normal or good. She was the one that suggested BLW. She told me to ditch the purees and even the cereal entirely. She even told me that the 3-4 day wait rule in between introducing new foods wasn't such a big deal as long as there were no serious food allergies in the family. She just recommend that if we did introduce a new food, to do it at breakfast or lunch, at least an hour before nap time, and only one new thing a day.
I would recommend stopping all solids and just continue to nurse on demand. Your little one really should not have been having much for solids anyways, so I doubt he will go hungry if you stop. And your milk will do just fine in place of any solids up until around 6 months. When he's 6 months you can start introducing soft french fry shaped pieces of food. Some popular first BLW foods are, steamed broccoli (already has a built in handle), steamed yams, banana, avocado, and strips of whole grain toast. You can actually start offering this stuff now if you like, but he likely won't have much luck with it and will probably do better at self-feeding in another month or 2.
You should check and see if your local library has the Baby-Led Weaning book. I have experience, but I'm not expert and the book will likely be able to answer all your questions.
Most importantly, have fun! :)

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2010

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This is awesome information! I wish I had read this about a month ago!!! I started my Cody on cereal at 4 months, and just started pureed yellow veggies a about a week ago- he's now 5 months, 1 week old at my pediatrician's recommendation. He is currently getting 1/4 cup of cereal twice a day and 2 T of Veggies twice a day. I am really interested in BLW. Katie, you said you switch to BLW- how did you switch? Should I discontinue the use of pureed veggies and keep the cereal, get rid of both, or continue both and when he is old enough- and showing that he is ready- to begin BLW then start him? I am worried that if I discontinue his solids he will be too hungry. What do you think?

Danette - posted on 01/21/2010

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These websites are great and soooo helpful! Thank you for sharing this information!

Erynne - posted on 01/20/2010

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I love you for taking the time to get all these links together and post it. I had already decided ages ago to nurse until Jacob self-weans and to introduce solids no sooner than 6mos, and to then do baby-led introduction to solid foods. He's never had purees, and is managing just fine, thanks. :) And he's a BIG boy - 31" and 26lb at 9mos.

Anyway, thanks again for taking the time to post this, honey. Good on you for making the effort to find out what's best and for putting it all together to help give other mums some info.

- E

Emma - posted on 01/20/2010

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just a quick one for amy i dont blame you for asking for differant nurse but over her in uk it is the other way round now a days mothers are almost forced to feed themselves and my neighbour came home from hospital almost in tears as she was not able to feed her youngest child,i think more needs to be done in both areas so that neather a bfeeder of formula mother has to made to feel they are wrong ,yes breast is best always

Emma - posted on 01/20/2010

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well Katie i know we have had a bit of a mis understanding on another thread but i have to say if i had seen this when having my first child i would have looked up a lot of your threads and despite the fact you may see me as a demon mother due to the way i have written some things most of what you have put on here i totaly agree with i never knew that there was links for things lke baby led weaning which oddly enough i did any way and non of mine were weaned with purees mainly as they did not want it,and i accept also that since i had my last child 5 years ago to today ideas and opinions have changed as they did in the short time between my first and last child and i would encourage you to do more of these links as so many new mothers need as much helpp and advice as they can get,i would only say breast is best but for some for what ever reason not possible or not practal so please do not limit your help to so few groups and also try to see the coin from the other side.I will leave you with this one last comment that this is some of the best advice iv seen on here for new feeding mothers and well done for doing it

Amy - posted on 01/19/2010

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I am brand new to the CoM, I have to say thank you so much for getting this out there. I hear and see so many young first time mom's put down breastfeeding! I know 99.9% of this is misinformation. I wish healthcare providers would push this issue. I just had levi in Oct. One of our nurses was anti-breastfeeding, i couldn't believe it, we asked that she be replaced, I couldn't believe a nurse would say that formula was better for babies, and that there was NO PROOF breastfeeding was better! I tell everyone i know about breastfeeding, its great for babies and mom's

Alisa - posted on 01/19/2010

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preaching to the Choir here too. Great post. :)

Jeannie - posted on 01/18/2010

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Thanks! I have really felt that this was the thing that I should do, but so hard to find any advice on it. I have been giving Keegan "bites" of baked sweet potatoes and peas. He smiles, smushes it around a bit, and sometimes swallows, sometimes doesn't. We are on wic, and they give baby food at 6 months to breastfed babies. I think we will use it in cooking, as purees. My son does eat rice cereal, but just to help with his reflux. I figure if God wanted Keegan to have a enriched food, he would enrich my boobies.

Lise - posted on 01/18/2010

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I'm not surprised it wasn't as well received. I don't know what it is about breast feeding moms, but there seems to be a more selfish attitude from moms on other boards. I'm not being negative and saying they are selfish, but the posts make it seem that way. That's why I figured other boards could use this info.

Katie - posted on 01/18/2010

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Lisa, thanks for the feedback and I totally hear you. Although I'm sure that there are moms on here who may be new first time moms and they may not have come upon this information on their own yet. That is why I wanted to post it on this board. And I knew it wouldn't fall upon deaf ears. In fact, I've received a couple private messages in regards to this thread from moms who had a few questions/were eager to know more. I wouldn't say it's the wrong place. But I understand that it's not reaching as many moms who are really in desperate need of this information.

I actually did make this post on another board (I believe it was the Young Moms aged 20-30 board) and I've gotta say, it wasn't nearly as well received! Haha. Oh well, I tried.

Lori - posted on 01/18/2010

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Katie - excellent information, very helpful all in one place. Though I'm another you're preaching to the choir with, I suppose, since we followed just about everything you mentioned. One of the most important points is not to worry at all about the child's intake of solids until after 12 months - way too many moms get all panicky about their baby not getting "enough", when it should just be about exploration and fun at that point.

We did give some chunky purees early on in addition to other BLW style finger foods, but I never really blended anything up, just fork mashed, to keep it textured. And we still haven't given bubs any juice - other than breastmilk, he'll have some water or some iced herbal/fruit tea (no caffeine, of course), which he loves.

As to the gagging, our bubs gagged A LOT, and even vomited a couple times when the food went too far back, which scared the bajeezus out of me (not to mention yuck)...but then he went right on eating, so he didn't particularly mind, LOL. But no choking, thankfully.

Lise - posted on 01/18/2010

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I think this is the wrong place to post this. I'm not disagreeing with you, but from browsing the boards, it seems that the breastfeeding circle tends to be the one where moms are less stringent about solids. In the Oct 09 babies, solids were recommended for a SIX WEEK OLD to help the baby STTN (in addition to formula, of course). I think this post would be better for a place like that, where moms tend to seem less informed.

I plan on letting my LO experiment with solids when she's ready (at least 6 mo), but breast milk will be her primary source of calories/food intake until she's at least 1. And I'd like to aim for 2.

Sammy - posted on 01/18/2010

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Thank you so much for making an effort to inform all of us mummys Katie! Great information from a great mum =)

Amy - posted on 01/18/2010

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Thanks so much... I'll try those ideas starting today! I had never heard that before about the gag reflex. Totally makes sense. It's things like this that remind me what a great resource CoM is! Thanks again so much!

Katie - posted on 01/18/2010

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Hey Amy, what Karen said pretty much sums it up. Just keep trying. Pretty much all babies will gag but it's just part of the learning process and they will get past it. It's by no means a sign that your son is not ready. And the longer you wait, the more difficult it may become to get him used to eating chunkier foods.

With the pincer grasp, it may take a little longer to develop. It will likely come to him closer to 9 months. Don't worry about it. For now, just offer things that he can grasp in his fist. Try strips of whole grain toast, steamed broccoli florets and other steamed veg cut into french fry sized/shaped pieces, steamed apple is good too. Chunks of avocado are also great, and to combat the slipperiness just roll it in a little bit of baby cereal or bread crumbs.

Katie - posted on 01/18/2010

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Hi Beth,
Like I mentioned in my post, cereal really isn't all that important. I gave my son a little in the beginning but at around 7 months when we switched from the traditional mush feeding method to BLW, I stopped giving the cereal. If I had another baby, I would skip the cereal and purees altogether. I don't believe you're doing any harm by giving your little one cereal but I don't believe it's all that beneficial either. So that's entirely up to you whether you want to keep it up or not.
Your baby is NOT going to lose interest in solids if you wait another month or so to introduce anything else. That's silly. The longer you stick to the purees though, and the longer your baby goes without having a try at more chunky, solid, whole foods, the more difficult it may become to make that transition. If you don't do BLW and decide to feed your baby purees, I would recommend not going beyond 8 or 9 months. I've heard too many people say that they can't get their 10, 11, or even 12 month olds to eat anything chunky. At 6 months a baby can handle chunky food despite the myth that your baby WILL choke. Though choking is actually pretty rare, a baby who has been on purees for months and is introduced to chunky food later on will be more likely to choke than a baby who starts with chunky food at approximately 6 months. At 6 months, a baby's gag reflex closer to the front of their mouth. This helps them learn to maneuver food around their mouth and helps to prevent choking. One of the first things I learned when starting BLW was that almost every baby will gag. Gagging is OK though. It's actually a very good thing. And within a week or two, gagging will greatly decrease. It's really interesting to watch a baby learn to eat. At first my son gagged a lot and barely ate anything. Then slowly the gagging lessened and slowly, a chewing motion started to develop. A little while after he got the chewing motion down he started to work on actually swallowing the bits of food. This is something they have to actually learn because it doesn't just slide down their throat the way breast milk, or purees do. As a baby gets older, their gag reflex moves further back and this is why choking happens easier in an older baby without the experience of chunky foods.
The way to distinguish choking from gagging is that with gagging there will be sound and choking will either be silent or there will be some wheezing, because the airway is blocked. If gagging occurs, just remain calm and let your baby work it out. Don't put your finger down his throat as this can push the food further back. If choking occurs then you need to intervene. Here's a link to a guide on what to do if your baby chokes...

http://www.babycenter.ca/baby/safety/cho...

Karen - posted on 01/18/2010

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Katie, thank you for posting this I read up on this myself and I think it's something every mother should be aware of.

Amy, take a look at some of the links Katie posted, you will see that gagging/coughing is normal and nothing to worry about. It helps prevent the baby from choking and teaches them not to put too much into their mouths. If you try him with finger foods you'll probably find he will gag less because he isn't sucking the food off the spoon into the back of his mouth.

Amy - posted on 01/18/2010

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Thanks so much for your post! I'm also often surprised at moms who talk about introducing solids at 3 months...crazy! I do have a questions for you though... My son is 8 months, and we have been pureeing his fruits/veggies (I make my own baby food), but if the puree is a little thicker/chunkier he coughs a lot and even gags sometimes. This makes me worried about introducing actual chunks of food to him. What do you think? I even did a "cheerio test" to see if he could pick one up between his thumb and forefinger, and he couldn't. Do some kids just develop a little later in this area? Thanks again for your help...I'm sure many have already benefited from your post!

Beth - posted on 01/18/2010

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Thank you for this post. I have been very unsure on what is best for my baby. His pediatrician says to start food now (my son is just about 5 months) and to not puree it or anything. I am definitely afraid of him choking on the more solid food. It especially freaks me out because I don't know what to do if he would start seriously choking. He is perfectly content with exclusively breastfeeding, although I have started giving him cereal in the morning at his second feeding time and he seems to really like it. I put two oz of breast milk in and he eats about one oz after the cereal. The doctor says that if you wait too long to introduce solids than they won't be interested. I just want what's best for my son even if that means other people criticizing my choices. DO you think I should stop giving him cereal? (I have been for about two weeks) or continue to do so since he still gets about 3 oz at that feeding?

Amber - posted on 01/17/2010

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Not to be repetative I think this is a great post I have used some of the links above and they are great and I look forward to browsing throught the rest...my baby is only three weeks so not even close to thinking about solids (BF exclusively) but I like to know what the future holds and how to be prepared. Thanks for all the work you put in to getting these post for us especially for new mommies like me!

Katie - posted on 01/17/2010

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Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to read my thread. It makes me feel really good that you have enjoyed it and learned from it. I also posted this thread on another board (I think it was the Stay at Home Moms board) and it's very interesting to see the difference in responses. Not quite as positive over there, to say the least :/

Vanessa - posted on 01/17/2010

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Thank you! A very nice post :) So many mammas are misinformed about feeding...I have heard many friends of mine say they introduced solids early because thier pediatrician told them too! Your post is well read and informative. thank you!

Christine - posted on 01/17/2010

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I was just starting to research this baby-led weaning thing in preparation for when my 4 month old turns 6 months. Thanks for putting all this info in one place! I'm defiinitely going to introduce solids this way. There is absolutely no reason to force her to eat cereal and other stuff when she's not ready and doesn't need it!

I was inspired to start looking all of this up by hearing my friends all struggle with low milk supply when there babies were 8-9 months old. In almost every case it was started by them introducing WAY to much solid food WAY to early. Definitely didn't want those problems!

Anne - posted on 01/17/2010

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i go to most of the sites you included too... thanks and love that you took the time to put them all together here for everyone else!

Katie - posted on 01/15/2010

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Thank you for reading, Danielle. Now, if only some people who don't already know this stuff would read it. Maybe they are and they just don't want to comment? Who knows. It's funny about the choking thing, hey? In reality (as I'm sure you know) choking is more likely to occur within babies who have been slurping back purees for an extended amount of time. Even then, it's rare. People are so freaked out about their babies choking, but how many of those parents do you think actually know what to do if their child chokes?

Danielle - posted on 01/15/2010

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Thank you for this! I agree that a lot of moms are misinformed on the subject!! My little guy wouldn't even take solid foods on a regular basis until about 2 weeks after he turned 1! He had no interest and since breastmilk or formula are supposed to be the actual source of nutrition until 1, I never pushed it. I got A LOT of flack for him not eating "real food" until he did but as you're aware- "food" is not even necessary until then anyway :P
Also, we didn't do purees as he had no interest in them. I followed the child lead weaning information I found and gave him safe amounts of food to hold in his hand so he could bite off small pieces and self feed. I had a lot of people tell me constantly that he was going to choke!
If more people are educated on the subject, less people will start solids so early AND less people will judge/harass those of us who delay solids.
Education is never a bad thing!
Thanks again!!

Katie - posted on 01/13/2010

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I'm bumping this because I really hope some of you moms will read it. I know it's lengthy, but I think there is some valuable information to be had here.