Is it normal for ADHD children to lie, sneak food and take things that are not theirs?

Diona - posted on 06/21/2009 ( 235 moms have responded )

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My daughter is 13 and has been diagnosed with ADHD since she was in the 2nd grade. We have had her on Vyvanse and it seemed to work. The problem is she LIE's about the smallest things, and when you confront her about it she shows no remorse. This SCARES me to death. We have taken her off her meds for a couple of weeks to GET BACK TO THE BASES. I just don't really know of other parents having these issues with their children. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Marrissa - posted on 06/02/2013

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My 9year old son has Adhd with Ocd and general anxeity disorder. He has been on Adhd medcine since he was 5 years old. For most of his earlier years it has worked well. He's great at his grades in school, but recently his behavior has been off the wall, to the point of getting suspended from school. The first set of pills he takes in the morning 20mlg of Folcain xr, 15mlg of prozac, and 10mlg of Folcain. These are the pills taken first. Then he takes 15mlg of Foclain after school. Then he takes Trazadome with bendlry at bed time to sleep by 7p.m. he is a eating machine that dosen't feel full at all. He has been sneaking snacks and drinks and hiding them in his room lately and getting punished by a time out in the chair and sometimes a 8pm bedtime he also gets his ipad and ipod taken away. Yelling and spankens don't work with him. I don't know what else to do! My husband&I are so furstrated with his lying and sneaking food, it's stressing the whole family out. When his pills have wore off it's chaos. When his pill are working he is the sweetiest, helpful, polite boy. The punishment's aren't working because he will do the samething all over. Constantly trashing the house not picking up after his self, makes excuses and lazy. He's very anti social with other kids, He will try to put a guilt trip on you for being punished and will blame you things that are his fault. I'm so upset at his uncontrollable behavior lately. I just pray he will one day think about what he's doing instead of acting on impulse.

Krisann - posted on 10/16/2012

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My son is 10 and has been ADHD all of his life and is on 50 mg of Vyvanse. He has been kicked out of 2 schools, 2 daycares, 5 summer camps all due to behavior issues and "refusing to listen". My ex husband has ADHD and a long list of other mental issues. We are on heavy watch to see if my son develops some of these secondary issues...so far so good...whew!



My son lies about EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING!



ADHD children and adults (No it does not get better as they age!) first of all forget everything!! Moms....have ALL ADHD's with check list everywhere! My son have to check off all the things he has to do every morning so he does not forget This is a great help!!



I am finally starting to break through the lying. ADHD adult nor children have the ability to predict consequences. I mean ZERO ability! You must make their consequences persistent and consistent and follow through with them fully so they learn to understand the price of the crime ahead of time so they learn how to stop and think before "just doing".



I took my son's report card and took his worst subject, in his case it is French grammar, he got a D+ and every single lie no matter the size, we started with a page of French to English translation per lie. My son tells a ton of lies!! We started this 4 months ago and as his skills have developed in the subject i have raised the amount of pages per lie. He is now up to 6 pages which takes him about 60 minutes to complete. 60 Minutes is a ton of time to an ADHD!



This first of all teaches him FOCUS. ADHD children and adults have very limited ability to focus, he is now much better at the subject and it has taken 4 months but for the first time is now showing remorse for the lying. We recently went 2 weeks without lying which for him is incredible as 4 months ago 4 hours was pushing it! He has become so good at translation as has completed over 300 pages of it! We are now taking the same book that he translated and starting full book reports, chapter and character reviews.



To some of you it might seem harsh...BUT....an ADHD must learn to predict consequences and see it in writing. They need to understand follow through so they can start to be less impulsive and stop and think about right and wrong before acting. I will also give him an out before I assign the pages. I will say..."You know the consequences if you lie...are you sure you want to say that?" Offering him the time to think before acting. If he tells the truth, the punishment is less, in his case 1 page instead of 6. which takes him now about 10-15 mins.



Remember, if you are not ADHD..it is hard for you not to take these skills for granted. They have none in these areas and you have to start from ground zero and assume nothing.



Write out your consequences for lying and stealing, make sure the child is well aware of what they are and follow though. It is tough with implementing at first but being determined will prevail. I have had to march my son right back to the dining room table and his book many times especially in the beginning. There was lots of crying, fits and freaking out over the new punishment. I just march him back to the table and say "I'll wait..."



I have not fully won the battle yet but I have tried everything and this is the only thing that I have tried where after months at it is starting to make a change as to how my son thinks in the first place. Instead of just "coping" with the problem.



Now that he is starting to have some remorse, when he tells the truth rather then lie about something we celebrate the wins also. I usually take him out for ice cream!



I now finally have hope as a parent that we can make a difference instead of ADHD running everyone's lives



Putting an ADHD in music REALLY helps to teach focus. My son has been playing piano since the age of 5. Having to sit down and practice for an hour and close out everything around him and focus on getting the notes right is really helpful to an ADHD. He is becoming a brilliant pianist!



I have enjoyed reading everyone's postings! Thanks for sharing blog!



God Bless :)

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My child was diagnosed when he was 2 years old with ADHD, and is now 18 years old. I've been through it all. We've even had a phychologist quit and go back to school after seeing my child because he didnt feel adaquate treating my child.

To answer your question: YES this is a typical trait, lies, steals, and no remorse for bad behavior. Another major problem my ADHD child faces is friendships. The friends can only handle visits for short periods of time therefore limiting friendship experiences.

The "no remorse" worried me sick. I never lost faith in my childs soul, and kept using my faith as a guide to teach my child "good choices" and feeling sorry not just being sorry.

My child is extremely selfish and self centered, and still today I try to reach the caring loving side in order to make a well rounded person.

I will never give up, or stop trying to shape a more beautiful child.

Dont get me wrong, it has been very difficult being one step ahead, but its possible. There are alot of great discipline ideas out there, and many ended with great success. Each child is different so I've had to adjust accordingly.

I had my child on medication all thru the school years. My child maintained a high GPA and is proud.

DONT LISTEN TO PEOPLE, THEY DONT KNOW AND LOVE YOUR CHILD. YOUR ARE THE ONLY ONE PROTECTING THEM.

I've kept my child from family because of the mean things they have said to my child. Dont take the things they will do or say personal and you will make good decisions during hard times. Repeating this to myself a million times saved me alot of pain. "Dont take it personal".

Just know your child loves you, so do everything to make them a success.

Please feel free to contact me at any time. Barb

Christine - posted on 10/23/2013

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This is my first time here. My son, now 18 is ADD. He's been on and off his meds, adderal for years, he doesn't like how it makes him feel. He has been through treatment for drug abuse, quit the meetings, he has had a few run ins with police.

He has stolen from us, he lies and it doesn't seem to bother him outwardly but I can see it in his eyes that he does care. It's almost like he doesn't know what to do. He is at freshman level of school, I've been pushing for him to get GED, he will need to take classes. He needs a job and at the same time, he doesn't have the skills or knowledge of the basics. He won't talk to me and I can only imagine what is going through his mind. Failure? Doesn't know anything? and so on.

Mean while, my husband, his stepfather, (hardly) has given him an eviction notice. I am just sick. He can't handle "his Behavior" he is constantly belittling him, doesn't acknowledge his presence, sees no positive only negative. Totally accusatory of my son is anything is out of place. He checks daily to see if something has been moved, taken whatever. He hides the pop, snacks and other things because they are HIS.

My son doesn't want to be home with him alone, I can't blame him. He is told by my husband this is not his home (excuse me, he is my son and this is his home)

HELP, give me some toughts

Alicia - posted on 08/13/2009

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Barb..this is like so like Michaela! It wasn't until I read some of these postings that I realized it is that impulse control issue. I was so afaid we were dealing with an eating disorder. Even last night I served her portion of mac and chees (generous..I might add) and said when she finished she could have anything else but the mac and cheese was limited to one serving. The next thing I know she has filled another bowl with a HUGE adult portion and is standing next to it and denying that she is going to eat it!! amazing!!!!! ANd the foul things I find stuffed in the couch or drawres or under her bed or anywhere she can hide it is amazing!!! We do have her on Concerta which is a newer medication for ADHD and they just increased the dose. It is just that feeling that somehow it is my fault....my body produced her and perhaps something I did caused this..etc....you know..narcisim at its best!!!

ANd now, I have #2 with ADD. She is very smart and in the gifted program. SUffers from migraines etc so medication is a bit tricky. But her manifestations are very different. She will hyper focus on certain things (legos and computer games and tv) to the exclusion of even hearing a bompb go off!!! But she can't focus on basic tasks with more than one step in progression!!!

Then #3 is just classis ADHD. How did I get so lucky!! Hpmework in the afternoons is a horrible ordeal and my hubby (who was ADHD himself) has no patience..so..it is up to me. I am going to have to get even more creative this fall since Cece will be in 1st grade. What should take 10-15 minutes takes all of them sometimes 2 hours to get through, God help us!!! Does any of this sound familiar or am I just whinning!

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Jozie - posted 6 days ago

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My son is the same he has been stealing since he was 3. Food mostly but if he likes the look of something he will just take it. He was diagnosed with adhd aged 6 and medicated for 2 years now. This week we discovered he has stolen hundreds of pounds of computer equipment from school. Including a teachers hard drive, full of teaching resourses, lesson plans, childrens work and family photographs which he wiped clean in such a way it can't be recovered. The police were called. He showed remorse as always, but continued to lie about where some of the parts came from (they were given to me) to the police officer. The police are coming today to talk to him and search the house for more stolen items. This is over a week after it happened. My son is over it. He thinks its all done with now. I can't believe they've left it that long especially with a child who has adhd.
2 days after all of this happened he stole from a family member. I feel like such a failure as a parent he is in so much trouble and hes still lieing and stealing. Am I being unreasonable expecting him to realise what he's done is awful and realise how much trouble he is in. I am also annoyed with the school that this could even happen how did he get access to all of this expensive equipment? why wasnt it locked away? He wiped the hard drive during school hours and on school premises, in a class room and the library, why wasnt he supervised, why didnt anyone question what he was doing? Weeks ago he brought home bags of computer equpoment given to him- perhaps this didn't help him with his impulse to take the other stuff. I am so angry and disappointed with the whole situation and have no idea how to handle it. It would appear from all of these comments that stealing and adhd go hand in hand. This doesn't help us with addressing the problem how can we teach our children to ignore an impulse they seem to be unable to control?

Ashley - posted on 07/21/2014

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So I need help my boyfriend has three kids and I have 2. His two 8 year old daughters have severely listening problems towards me. Steals in school. Sneak candy before 7 am. And like to be as loud as they can and wake up my kids and always trying to get my kids in trouble. his daughters share a room and its just crazy one wakes up and has to wake the other one up. I just don't know what to do anymore. They lie to me all day about the stupidist things. Plus the bf has a 13 month old boy who constantly throws himself on the floor when he don't get his way. And like to hit you and throw his toys and food. He will sit there and scream til he is picked up. I am a stay home mom with house chores and going to school and taking care of 5 kids. I didn't hang unto my kids all the time. It didn't hurt them. There fine today. I just don't know. I never been more frustrated in my life lol please help

Mary - posted on 07/04/2014

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my son has adhd i have brought him up since he was 3 as his mum abandoned him he is 16 and half now and is very very hard it does not comunicate i find it hard to put my arms around him as he has a very evil streak i worry for his safety and safety of others when he is around i have stressed my concerns and all the gps do is make exscuses for him he has been living with me fgor 13 years has had a good upbringing he wont even talk to me or my hubby but he can tell me what is going on in the world need help

Katina Spring - posted on 07/01/2014

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I have the same issue with my 14 year old son. He was diagnosed with ADHD when he was 4. We have been on medicine since then. He lies about the smallest things and eats food with out asking. When we know he has taken something, we just say we know you did that. It stops him from having to lie. It totally affects my husband (his step-father's relationship). We have had him on several diff medications. Currently he is on 72 mg of Concerta. But he is so skinny, I am worried about his weight. You are not alone. If she has been on the same dose of Vyvanse for a long while, it is time to probably increase his dosage. He does really good as long as he knows he won't be in trouble. It feels like he is constantly looking for what we want to hear and not the truth. I hope it gets better.

Lynch - posted on 05/17/2014

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My step son and husband are both ADHD. It is hard to keep them focused and sitting still for anything. It also doesn't help that my step sons mom and I don't get along. So when he comes over to our house there are different rules and my husband always tries to be more like a friend than a parent and scolds me for trying to make my step son follow the rules. For example my step son will use his hand to wipe his nose instead of a tissue. I am a nurse so that really bugs me. When I correct him my husband gets mad at me. Cause he does this a lot. He says I am picking on him. How can I get my husband to see that I want his son to learn manners and that I am not being mean? Another thing is my step son is on a medication that makes him think he is hungry all the time, so my husband being the "friend" parent constantly gives him food. He is not over weight but headed that way if my husband keeps this up. When I try to tell him that he gets mad at me again. I don't know what to do. It also doesn't help that my step sons mom won't send his medicine over with him so there are times he gets out of control and that's when my husband either gets made at me for getting onto my step son or finally becomes the parent he is suppost to be. Please tell me how to fix this problem.

Stephanie - posted on 05/13/2014

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well now i guess i don't feel like i'm crazy. my 7 year old sneaks around and steals things and lies so much you could ask what color his shirt is, knowing it is blue and he would tell you it was yellow. we have grounded him taken away games and yesterday I had to put a lock on my closet to be able to put our change and his ds in there cause no matter where i put them he steals, he has stolen over 30 dollars from our change jars and we can't have candy, or junk food in the house cause he will get up at 3am and sneak around and eat it. I've had to put a lock on the pantry door to be able to lock it at night cause he would get in to baking things like the candy morals and marshmallows any thing really. I honestly have no clue what to do. i dont punish him when he tells me the truth and i make sure the punishments are twice as bad when he lies but it doesn't phase him.

Gina - posted on 04/13/2014

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Laura, reading ur post was like reading my own story, I to have a 12 year old step-son, who lies about everything, he is constantly in trouble at school, this last week alone 4 days in-school suspension, he is always sneaking food, not only that he takes food off my 4 year plate, the minute we walk away(even to go to bathroom) he finds something to sneak even off a plate in sink, found a raw potato in his room,(even stole granola bar off teaches desk)even though hes not allowed in kitchen, we have taken all privileges away from him, he doesnt get to go out for dinner with the other 3 kids(i have to stay home) no movie, dances nothing, i know this might sound mean, but until he can be honest, stop stealing, i'm really at my wits end, in the 5 years i've known him, never once have i asked a question, and he has told me the truth not once, we are even considering possibly some kind of summer boot camp, I wish someone could give me answer,

Daryl Malinda - posted on 04/04/2014

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Hello. I'm new to this ADHD thing. My step son is 11 and has ADHD. I was told by his bio. Father that he has stolen things in the past. I was told by my stepsons sister that he stole a little light bulb from a train exhibit and a ninjago toy from there friend. I know after reading what all of you have said about ADHD that is is hard for our children with this madding plague to help our children. I'm at my end, I don't know what to do. I want to just leave, but that is quitting. I love my step son very much. I want to call the police and scare him, but after reading what everyone is saying...that just might not work. If you know something I don't can you please email me and help me understand ADHD, and share with me what works. Because I just grounded him for one week for stealing from an exhibit and his friend. We had people down the street steal from us and they call our family thieves. I have went around the neighborhood explaining to them that our family does not steal. Only to my surprise to find out my step son is stealing from others. It makes me feel like crap and a bad father, and to those I told that we don't do them things, it makes my word no good anymore. Please help. Email me at... mckinneydaryl@gmail.com Thank you all.

Alyss - posted on 03/25/2014

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I came to this site to see if I could get answers. My 2 kids 9 and 10 year olds have adhd. And im at my wit's end with them both. They steal things from the rest of the family food mainly. And hide it in their rooms. When we ask them qhy they do it the answer is always the same. .. I dont know, and the weird thing is, most the time they dont even eat it they take 1 or 2 bites then hide it. They will draw on the walls as if they was 2 years old. You can spank and yell all you want as soon as you step out of view they do it again. Their on meds which seem to only work half the time. And their doctors dont seem to listen when I tell them every thing. They act like it its my fault or something.

Debs - posted on 03/02/2014

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My daughter is 13 and had a lot of issues for a long time, a lot of drs said she seemed fine even when I explained she will play them and say what they want to hear.. shes being reassessed because the school and myself have no idea how or what to do next. She constantly lies about everything even when you know shes stolen. She ateals food and money, says the meanest of things to me and her brothers, 1 minute her room is spotless and everything in its place and the next its completely trashed. Her attitude and swearing is so so shocking..I just dont know what to do anymore

Elly - posted on 02/25/2014

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Hi Diona, our tyke was diagnosed very young and although we didn't dismiss the medications we decided we would research an alternative and came up with play attention and we are so happy we did. My chap exhibited the same behavior as yours. He would hide food under his bed and not even eat it, he would spit and we could not make him sit still. This different nature is gone now and we have learned more then the clock rings about the little chap. He is at his age level in school, has friends, loves to fish and like "flied" chicken as he would put it. You know we as spouses have learned just as much about us as we have about him. It was apparent that he wanted to learn and love but his brain just could not make the connection. Now he can and we can as a family. We truly hope this will help you as well.

Laura - posted on 02/06/2014

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Hi Kym, take him to a therapist or just to a doctor, he may have some sort of disorder, or could just be doing it if he knows its getting under your skin.

Kym - posted on 02/05/2014

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Hello, My oldest child has never been diagnosed with anything. we have been having a horrible time with him suffering from depression, lying (to the point of compolsiveness) taking food, taking other peoples things, wagging school, bad attitudes, mood swings, agression, inability to explain himself, lack of memory even if things are repeated & sleeping issues.
Things have been going from bad to worse over the last few months and we are desperate for some voices of reason or ideas.
I suffer from anxiety and depression and our youngest child has just been diagnosed a couple of years ago with high functioning autisim.

I know i have compressed the information a lot I am just so desperate for answers or suggestions i am at the point of here are the facts does any one have any ideas PLEASEEeeeee.

Laura - posted on 01/30/2014

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This actually makes me feel a little better, I was thinking my husband and I were the only ones dealing with this issue. My stepson, age 12, also has ADHD, been doing all this, sneaking food, drinks and anything else he can to bed. He lies all the time about everything, even when you catch him red handed. Grades are horrible and we have even had a school call DFS on us because he told them we don't let him eat, which we have NEVER done. That was dismissed quickly. But his younger sister is now following his every move ( monkey see, monkey do is what I call it) she does not have ADHD, she just sees him doing it. I've even found packages of instant mashed potatoes in his room that he has been eating. We are just to the point that we don't know what to do. He eats so much at school that its costing us almost $30 a week for just his lunches and we are not rich, we can't afford this but we make too much to get the child on free or reduced lunches. And the school won't do anything about it. We have put him in therapy and it didn't work.

Tammy - posted on 01/19/2014

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My son is the same way. He has no remorse for anything and lies all the time. Is she O.D.D?

Tabitha - posted on 01/16/2014

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My son is 8 and has finally been diagnosed with the same and aspbergers. He shows no remorse and what's worse is they put him in a school for kids that have behavioral issues and he didn't have them until afterwards. He used to just throw fits and bite because the daycare place I reported let kids bully and bite him. So now he cusses and does the same stuff. I've put alarms up through out the house on everything and locked my pantry and he still finds a way to sneak loaves of bread and food and is lacy and fights me as well. I have to yell every morning before his meds to get him to get dressed for school and fight him like I would a teenager and I'm almost at my whits end. Your not alone. If someone could help me Id appreciate it because I'm not getting much sleep and when I do he actually waits for me to go to sleep and gets up through the night I still make him go to school and if he acts up at school he loses every priveledge he has when he gets home and ui make him earn them back by cleaning but I have to stand over him to make him do them right. I've learn that little boogie boards you write on help. I only give him five things to check off at a time and I make the directions as sime as can be. Meaning I give him five things at a time and step by step on how to complete his tasks. It helps but I'm exhausted as well with his lies and sneaking into stuff that isn't his. So now I've taken every you and thing he could possible play with through out the night out of his room and locked them all in the nursery at night and put three motion detectors that have loud sirens on them around his door at night so the alarms go off and wake me up. The alarms are pretty cheap and on amazon. I hope this info helps you and your not alone.

Laura - posted on 01/04/2014

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My daughter who is 7 has always seemed to have displayed these problems. Its a real worry. I think the stealing is because they can't control or have difficulty controlling impulsivity , they see things they covet and so take them. The lieing , I think has something to do with, years of trying to fit in, be normal, avoid constant belittling, being accused, being berated, a self defence against being picked up on her deficits....along with the urge to just save herself the stress of feeling different. Calmness and patience I imagine are key. She is all to aware that she is different . And these are malfunctioned coping techniques. My daughter tells lies and story's, just tone seen to join in on conversations, which I think helps her to feel part of something. I'm not sure how this will pan out for her either. Stopping her meds is, in my opinion the wrong thing to do, as they may help the urge to not do these things. And the formed habit could be broken while on these meds. Only my thoughts on the matter. I feel for you . I'm on Face book, laura Emms. I would love to hear how you'd get on.

Tracie - posted on 11/24/2013

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My 17 year old daughter has been sneaking sweets for several years, I don't think she shows remorse, just tries to look like she's sorry, but I feel like it's more embarrassed about getting confronted, she just says "I knew you'd say no, and I really wanted it". Not a huge deal.....yet. She leaves for college in the fall, she will be living in the dorms (honors......she's very intelligent) She was in a program for advanced students a year ago and was accused of stealing food, she had other emotional problems develop and her grades were effected, she chose to withdraw and come home before she failed out. She went to a counselor about other issues.......we didn't see this as an issue then, maybe a cry for attention to the other issues. Now she has been accepted to the college of her choice, scholarship applications are complete and the food issue has kicked up. She, like most of them I notice as I read, was diagnosed ADD at an early age. I have been wondering if the stress of the reality of college has triggered the behavior to increase. We have not expected her to get a job, she spends half of her senior year in classes at the Jr. College and we thought it best to focus on school......I thought maybe she should get a job since she is making straight A's and seems to have quite a bit of free time.....but I'm terrified she'd steal from her employer.........and I'm terrified she is going to mess things up for herself in college!

Unsey........ Thank you for sharing your experience! You listed all the wrong things for a parent to do (I'm so sorry you had to endure that) can you tell me as a parent how you think I might be able to help my daughter? Is there anything your parents could have done to help you through it? Now that you are a parent, what would you do for your children? ♥

Unsey - posted on 11/23/2013

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Beth,
He was tested for everything under the sun. And yes, that was one of the tests that they tested for. His much older step brother has tourettes and aspergers. So he went through the mill.

Unsey - posted on 11/21/2013

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I was one of those kids. I went through hell cause my parents did not know what to do with me, so I had the crap beaten out of me everyday. Many times I just could not control myself. I just had to do it. I was ALWAYS hungry. I think this was from all the medications. I had a very hard time as a kid, teen and young adult. I think if I had someone there to help guide me and show me with love how to work through all of it and be understanding. I know as an adult, I still have some issues, but basically I think through the years with counseling I have learned to get through it and learn from it. Don't worry what your child "might" be like as an adult. Use love, discipline caringly, and help your child know they are ok. Don't shame them. Shaming them is horrible. It feels like the fishing pole you were getting beat with over and over for years is hitting you over and over on the inside. Trust me I was one of those children. And back then if you lied like that, you were considered a compulsive liar and no one believed anything you said. Only the parents, unlike now.
After having my own child with a bit of me running through his veins, I finally understood what my parents went through. Instead of beating, not trusting, or showing very little love, I did everything opposite with my son. We are still very much alike. So don't worry. They do grow up. Show love and understanding. Work with your child. They will still do the "bad things", but if you talk to them, spend time with them, they will talk to you. Give them a chance to talk to you.

Damon - posted on 11/21/2013

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To answer everyone's question, ADD/ADHD has nothing to do with children telling lies, sneakinf food are taking things that are not theirs. These are some normal habits for all children growing up that can be fixed at early stages as long as you pay close attention to everything they are doing. I also have a child that was diagnosed with ADHD. I understand what the doctors say that it is a chemical imbalance in the brain but I know for a fact medicine is not the answer. I for one don't like my child acting like a zoombie. I took my child off the meds and explained to them that this doesn't make you behave right only you do. The problem all start when you are the doctor allow the children to hear your conversation about why they act the way they do and why they got to take the medicine. They are right there soaking it in and using it to their advantage. My problem was solved after consistent talks of the wrong doing followed by spankings. Its been over 7 year and now all I got to do is give them a look and talk to them stern. In one year they will be an adult. Being hyper is part of a child's developmental trait. I would tell you your child needs meds too if I got incentives for prescribing to you and your child if it made me and the clinic or hospital wealthy. Spanking are not wrong. Its how you use them and when you use them that make them work. Think about it, we learn that fire is hot because we felt the heat and the pain it cause. We don't like that feeling so we don't play around with it as bad behavior should be compared because continuous bad behavior as an adult is prison, vegetable, paralyzed or in the grave. Real talk.

Christie - posted on 11/18/2013

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My daughter does the exact same thing! She is 16 and just continues to do it! Then when she is in trouble for it, all she has to say why am I in trouble that is just stupid, what is the reason for you taking my phone or iPod! Sadly, she is never sorry, she will say she is but in a not nice way, or if she does say it and then I give her consequences she just goes right back to why that is stupid, what is your reasoning for doing this! She acts like she does soooooo many chores, half the time she doesn't ever complete her chores or if she get them done, you need to look closer because she shoves stuff in drawers, under cabinets, throws my things in the trash-which she acts like oh I had my friend pick that stuff up, or oh I thought it didn't matter! I literally am at the end of my rope, my daughter use to care and help do much, now she just takes advantage of me, disrespects me, lies to me, acts like I do so little, when I work full time and a lot of times I have stayed up all night to complete things and still had work the next day, and why because it needed to be done and she just didn't care! Then she acts like she does so much, I just don't know what to do! I am considering sending her to boot camp, because at this point I don't know what else to do to get the things I deserve from her! I am a single parent-full time because her father was presumed murdered and we and Texas Equisearch have never found him ! If anyone could give any good advice I would gratefully appreciate it! Thank you!

Help I've ADHD - posted on 10/16/2013

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one more thing, do a search on strattera because it is specially designed for add. concerta, ritalin, vivenci and aderall are more for adhd although they still work. that's why you will sometimes see a child on two different meds at a time.

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I would try a different med. I am sure that there is something available in your country that you can try. We found that concerta can give ticks if on the wrong dosage. 18mg is one of the lowest dosage so not sure how big your child is but you need to check weight gain because the meds are administered based on height and weight. Also, some meds deals with impulsivity some deal with attention deficit. You may have to try more than one. Don't be afraid to ask your doc.

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Do any one of you find meds (e.g. Concerta) to ease up their squirming and involuntary head movement, stretching, scratching and noise making? My kid does this all the time even on concerta. He even does it while sleeping, turning, bending knees backward.

Help I've ADHD - posted on 10/16/2013

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if he's on meds and does not show progress then is either on the wrong med or wrong dosage. Concerta reacts right away in their body and you should see improvment immediately. Strattera is the opposite, it takes up to 6 weeks to get to full effects. Starttera is digested in the liver and my children are seeing reaction within 2-3 days which is not typical. The reaction should take more time.
I strongly suggest that you get a good relationship with your pediatrician. Do a lot of research and trust your instinct.
We're at the point where we go to the pedicatrician and give our detailed analysis of our children without them having to be present. But keep in mind that we've had the same doc for 10 years and have asked so many questions that she sent us to an adhd specialist who called her to tell her that she's doing an amazing job with our kids.
You need to stay on top of the meds, the school work and the friends, otherwise it can be tougher than it needs to be.
Good luck

Help I've ADHD - posted on 10/16/2013

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Hi,
I have 4 children. ALL diagnosed with ADHD or ADD. 2 with learning disabilites. 4 gifted in the 98 to 99.8 percentiles. 3 boys, 1 daughter.

I have a great husband and we constantly work on them. We went to a psychologist, psychatrist and ADHD specialist all to help them get better.

We have charts, from pharmaceutical companies, on how the meds act and react in their bodies. We are constantly analysing, talking, researching to get them perform. Our pediatrician and pharmasists are our best friends.We get one "controlled" and one goes off the rail, it's a daily struggle.


There are days where we want to give up, are depressed and don't know where to go/ what to do. What are they going to do later? Constant concern.
They all play rep sports to try to curb their need for movment. They love it and would do more if we could (money and time is the issue).

To all out there, don't give up, keep your head up. We fought through one learning disability, still fighting the other one and struggling through the lying but I would not change any of my kid. Their ups brings us so much joy and reward. They have talents that other children don't have and just have to learn to deal with the "other part" of their brain...

Lastly, we belive that ADHD is a disease like diabetise, it needs to be treated but it's not an excuse to act or behave on certain way.

Thanks for all for sharing,
It's nice to know that we're not alone...

Edgar - posted on 10/15/2013

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I have a son who we are adopting from Foster, he is 9 and was diagnosed with adhd, mostly add. He isn't hyper. He does have problems focusing, attention and staying still. He's been on concerta 18mg for almost 2 months. Today I found out wrapping of bars he has eaten at night. So I guess he is hungry. I am beginning to wonder whether to have him on meds is paying. Not much has changed since, he is very functional but needs constant redirection, promptings, reminders and has to be timed for almost everything. At school he is at grade level, we caut him up. He still struggles with focus and distractions.

Melissa - posted on 09/27/2013

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Dear Frustratredmom,

Thank you soooo much for "your book". This is my first time on this page..I am at my wits end with my 11 yr old son and looking for advice and feeling alone in my struggle (despite a loving hubby and great friends- none of which truly understand my frustrations and fears). Your story truly hit home, I can relate to soooo much of what you have said! Although I do not have any answers, I just wanted to let you know that your post has helped a very frustrated, overwhelmed mom. I wish there was an easy answer to all the issues we are dealing with- I would even be happy with a solution that is difficult at this point- but just know that by being engaged and caring so deeply for our kids is the best we can do..keep on trying, stay consistent and strive for the best for them. I truly hope that something "clicks" and your issues get easier somehow..Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

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How old were you when you were obsessed? Age may have had something to do with it.

Myia - posted on 09/16/2013

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Marissa,
Have you had your son checked at a neuroscience center? The medications make them not hungry and starved when they wear off. Let him eat just give him things that are not full of sugar. This is normal for them to be starved. Don't punish him for taking food. If you need to put locks on your cabinets. Our grandson has been on Vyvance since he was about 6. He did the same things. He is 13 now. We keep him busy and feed him cheese and grapes and milk those kinds of things right before bedtime. He has stopped for the most part taking food. He will still sometimes take candy. It is important not to feed the kids a lot of sugary things. Your doctor may need to change his medications. I would be very afraid of Prozac. Sometimes you need to change the meds. We have tried about 4 different kinds and strengths before we found something that worked pretty well. I don't know what to tell you about taking away the ipods and things like that because our children do not have those things. Talk to him and ask him why he is taking food. Tell him why you don't want him to do this. Try to give him a balanced meal. The antisocial is something I have not seen in our ADHD child. That is more a autistic characteristic. We do not have the OCD issue either. I know this is a problem and if you have other children a problem for them. Lying and stealing is a product of the "mind altering" drugs he is on. Just keep talking to him spanking is only making him more defiant to you.

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Hi. I have a 14 year old son who is the love of my life, he was this beautiful hearted boy who oneday just CHANGED, he was diagnosed very early with ADHD (at the age of 3) he was never a sleeping child, meaning even as an infant he would stay awake 20 hours out of 24 (where most infants sleep 12-16 hours a day) as he got older (3ish) he would be awake at 3-4-5- am and wake up 2-3 hours later refreshed like he had 8 hours, when he learned to walk HE RAN! When he learned to talk even a single 2-3 words he TALKED and has not been quiet an hour out of any waking time in his life since. I know that sounds odd but he was NEVER a "Problem" he was "Typical" in behaviors and he hasn't ever gotten into much trouble at school other than a teacher calling to say he was "Talking" (vintage my son) and he's never been suspended, he has since 5-K STRUGGLED academically and we've had tutors, he's been tested for learning disabilities and none were found, he does have an IEP based on his ADHD and the difficulty it creates with "Focus" but NOW he has NO INTEREST in learning, trying to learn, homework, He has "Stolen" food from the kitchen since he was very small.... I don't understand that as I feed him very well & often would give him what he wanted even if it were not so nutritious just to get him to eat (certainly he was manipulative some there I'm sure) but he'd continue to "Steal" food after he was "full" from the McDonald's that he had chose & ate part of. I am happily divorced and have been since my son was 5 and have had a partner since he was 7, My son wasn't anymore hurt by the divorce than you'd expect a 5 year old to be, he continued to see his dad every other weekend after, all holidays & the entire summer, he also is very connected to my partner who loves him equally. BUT my sons father has told him that HE CANT STEAL FROM HIS OWN HOUSE and my son says to me his dad's words when I find food bowls hidden in his closet, sodas, ice cream wrappers, etc... I explain to him if you take something without asking AFTER being told that you are not allowed to have it IT IS STEALING, keep in mind he is 14 now and these behaviors continue but now the "STAKES" are getting HIGHER, I found out he was doing inappropriate on his Facebook page and I took his laptop, took his phone, took the WIFI router adapter off of his desktop & deactivated his FB account. He sneaks into my bed room and STEALS back the wifi connector (days later I discover it in his room hidden) I find out he's been taking his PSvita (handheld game, WITH built in wifi) to school & getting on Facebook, so I take that as well, today I discovered that an OLD cell phone of mine is gone from my night stand that has WIFI but not service so he connects to the WIFI at school & creates new Facebook pages, YES PAGESSSS,!!! I have changed the router WIFI password but he logs into the neighbors and denies (Lies) about doing most of this, and when he admits he did it, either "Sorry" is said but clearly with attitude of NOT SORRY or he actually says "WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL MOM" I got ino one of his Facebook accounts today & discovered that he & his dad were instant messaging & he says to his dad DON'T TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS ACCOUNT OK?? his dad was well aware that I deactivated his old account and the cell phone I took from my son I mailed it back to his dad & told him that our son was not responsible with his choices and did not need the phone, he agreed but he has YET to call & make me aware that HE KNOWS OUR SON HAS A NEW FACEBOOK, (multiple accounts & emails created) and my son was TELLING HIS DAD IN A MESSAGE THAT WE WERE AT "FRIDAY FEST" ( A LOCAL STREET FOOD/MUSIC KID/ADULT FRIENDLY EVENT HERE MONTHLY) THAT WE DID INDEED GO TO FOR 1 HOUR FROM 8-9 PM AND ENDS AT 10PM, HE TOLD HIS DAD AT 2:46 AM THAT HE WAS STILL THERE PARTYING!!! DAD ASKS WHERES YOUR MOM, MY SON REPLIES RIGHT HERE!!! THAT IS NOT TRUE! I was SHOCKED! Let me say that I am 42 my x husband is 46 and neither of us are "PARTY PEOPLE" we have decent steady employment, actually I worked for social services for over 7 years dealing with troubled teens, and was actually a fairly effective worker BUT I CANT SEEM TO GET A GRIP ON MY OWN SON! He is NOT a "Street Kid" meaning I do not allow him to go to movies with friends unless myself, his dad or step dad are THERE, he's not out walking the mall without me, my thought is that first he's not old enough & second NOW I see that he's getting old enough but creating trouble for himself and I WONT allow him to go "Hang Out" if I can't even trust him to "Behave" at home, the teachers call saying he's talking & disrupting class, he's stealing from me & telling lies more often than not, his graded are already VERY POOR & we are only into week 3 of school. The "Internet" is bitter sweet for he & I both right now, he id DYING to get on line to talk to his "Girlfriend" and I am DYING to keep him off of it as that seems to be his ONLY FOCUS, it's like Facebook & the girl are addictions for him! BUT IF I WERE ABLE TO KEEP him off the internet then a lot of the things that I am aware of I would NOT KNOW at all! Example, he was talking about he & his girlfriend skipping 1st period, I made the school aware, so if he were terribly tardy or tardy OFTEN, ABSENT TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY as the school's automated system reports only absences daily at 6pm via the number I have listed. I was embarrassed to tell the school but found it necessary for the safety of my son (by the way he is only 80 pounds & 5' tall at 14, so he's a small guy) He also says on his instant message to his dad SEND ME MY CELL PHONE IN A WEIRD BOX, MOM DOESN'T OPEN THE PACKAGES YOU SEND ME, his dad in his defense, has NOT sent any package (AS NOW I WILL OPEN IT, he has LOST his rights to that type of PRIVACY) but his dad did NOT CONTACT ME or even say to our son NO SIR, YOU HAVE BEEN IN TROUBLE FOR BAD CHOICES & YOUR MOM SAID NO PHONE, I do not believe that his dad encourages bad behavior/choices but I don't BELIEVE his dad CONFRONTS OUR SON AS A PROPER PARENT SHOULD AND SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR SON. Actually my son "PLAYS" all of us as BEST AS HE CAN. Since last spring it seems like my son makes up "Stories", sneaks, Lies almost daily & the more I try to "Control" it the more he does it, I have talked until I am blue in the face, explained consequences of bad grades, behaviors, how stealing HIS STUFF from me will lead him to maybe later steal something else he wants and end him up in jail. I have read on Instant messages that he at 13 had sex, he & current girlfriend are trying to "Decide" if She wants to have sex also. I DO NOT BLAME this girl for ANYTHING he is/has DONE, he is 14 and I have taught him right from wrong, he has to be accountable for HIS DECISIONS, as she does hers! First neither of them are prepared for "Sex" on ANY LEVEL, but it seems like it is bound to happen and it's out of my control, I worry about STD's, pregnancy, a girl who get's "Caught" claiming my son raped her so she's a victim and not punished as a participant. Is this happening at school?? It is the ONLY place he goes without serious adult supervision from one of his parents and that is ME 99.9% of the time. I'm so frustrated, upset, worried, and even pissed off! The "Mom" in me says it's growing teenage pains & test of boundaries, and I justify & say well he's not cursing
myself or any adults out, stealing from stores, getting into drugs, fights, sneaking out, getting suspended from school, BUT this "Nagging" worry in my heart says BUT HE HAS NO CONCERN FOR CONSEQUENCES (he just finds another route to get what he wants) HE IS TELLING LIES EVERY TIME HIS MOUTH OPENS, HE'S SNEAKING UP DURING THE NIGHT DOING I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT, TEACHERS ARE CALLING, GRADES ARE BOMBING, HE IS TELLING HIS DAD LIES AND DAD IS NEITHER BRINGING IT TO MY ATTENTION NOR MAKING ME AWARE OF AMY CONCERNS THAT HE SEES OR QUESTIONING THE EVENT THAT OUR SON IS TELLING HIM. If my son were at his dad's and he told me at 2:46am he & dad were at a street party and his dad might let him bring his girlfriend home with him, I CAN PROMISE YOU I WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY CALLING HIS DAD!!! I generally am NOT into dad'd business or his time with our son BUT IF I FEEL/FELT THEIR WAS A SERIOUS CONCERN I WOULD BE AND I MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR THAT NOR CARE IF DAD IS UNHAPPY ABOUT MY INQUIRY, I am his mom!!!! Yes in that text about the street party he said to his dad that he may be bringing his girlfriend back to our house. My point is that I don't want to see my son as "Bad" but I also do not want to be like so many other parents who chose to put on "BLINDERS" because that's easier & they don't have to "DEAL" with anything as long as they are blind to it. I AM NOT A OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND MOM. I LOVE THIS LITTLE BOY MORE THAN ANYTHING & ANYONE ON PLANET EARTH and I'm at a loss for what to do as my FEAR is this is going to escalate into more serious issues if something is not done.... Talked, removed privileges, given scenarios so he understand completely, emailed teachers, had parent conference this week, took away some/most of the things he enjoys, tried to get him involved in sports but his grades are not going to allow it, I asked him to lets do something after school & he rejects any suggestions, after TINY window of OKAY behavior I'd give back a privilege HOPING as I would say to him I'M GIVING THIS PRIVILEGE BACK TO YOU, NOW JUST FOLLOW THE RULES, DO WHAT IS EXPECTED OF YOU AT SCHOOL AND YOU WONT LOSE YOUR THINGS/DEVICES AGAIN. This child KNOWS that I adore him BUT not to the point of NOT disciplining him, to me love without reward and discipline is likely not the correct love that a parent should demonstrate, it is a balance. Soon he will be headed out into the real world where I want him to be productive & successful and NOW is the time to receive those tools and I've been preparing him since he was tiny, telling him to be polite, respectful, honest & teaching him all of the things that I felt he would need to be a "Good Man" someday and I am certain I have FALLEN SHORT many times, their was no instruction manual that came with him at birth and we all know teenagers are NOT "Cookie Cutter" some are mild & meek, some are strong willed & spirited, some are loving & warm, some are fairly honest & some are not, some are straight A students while others barely pass if pass at all, I am open to suggestions and stories, I have done everything but "Spank" him and actually I am considering it as a last resort, it may or may not be effective, I know SOOOOOOo many are against corporal punishment and that is a personal choice, I haven't spanked my son since he was 7 or 8 but I do remember that he was being "Mouthy/disrespectful" and had been speaking like that for a few weeks off & on, with correction & discipline but oneday I had told him that enough was enough and I spanked him and I don't remember him speaking to me like that again UNTIL NOW 6-7 years later, so my point is the "Spanking" didn't Kill him or probably hurt him as much as it did me BUT it stuck in his head and was effective. His dad's solution is SEND HIM TO LIVE WITH ME, A BOY NEEDS HIS DAD, Our son DOES have a loving supportive positive male influence daily in his life (my partner for 7 years) NOT HIS DAD but a good man & I don't think his dad is the solution, what if his dad were unavailable for our son to live with? What would I do then? Just send him away ? I don't believe my son going anywhere is a solution, I'm NOT going to "QUIT" my son no matter the situation, I as a parent chose to have this child & he is my responsibility for a minimum of 4 more years period. I have seen in my time working with social services extremely talanted bright children come from some REALLY CRAPPY HOMES and I have seen some REALLY TROUBLED YOUTH COME FROM SOME REALLY AMAZING LOVING HOMES/Families. I don't know about you guys but often I beat myself up & judge myself very harshly about every parenting choice that I've ever made, feel often judged by others and embarrassed sometimes but the truth is I AM A WONDERFUL MOM, NOT WITHOUT FAULT BUT OVERALL I HAVE DONE MY VERY BEST (as well as any Other parent could have done) I STRUGGLE WITH A TEENAGER THAT I LOVE & WORRY ABOUT HIS FUTURE & I REFUSE TO BE BEAT ME UP ANYMORE OVER THE CHOICES MY SON IS MAKING, HE HAS TO ACCOUNTABLE & I HAVE TO BE HIS PARENT EVEN WHEN HE HATES ME FOR "INTERRUPTING & RUINING HIS LIFE." THE TEENAGE YEARS ARE USUALLY CHALLENGING FOR MOST OF US PARENTS, SOME BREEZE THROUGH. I HAVE A STRONG WILLED STUBBORN CHALLENGER WHO I LOVE & WANT ONLY THE BEST FOR EVEN IF HE DOESN'T WANT IT FOR HIMSELF I REMIND ME THAT HE IS ONLY 14 THAT THE FUTURE IS HIS, TODAY IS MY TIME TO HELP DIRECT HIS FUTURE TO BE THE BEST POSSIBLE, SO IF PERHAPS YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS, WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT, STORIES OR JUST NEED A LISTENING EAR & FRIEND YOURSELF I AM HERE & WILL LISTEN, YOU ARE NOT ALONE! All of you struggling will be in my prayers & thoughts as I seek answers to my own struggles. Thank you for reading my mini book typed here! hehehe

Liz - posted on 09/08/2013

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my son is 9 and he is on the same meds Vyvanse and I'm going through the same thing my son will get up 3 to7 times a night (I know this because I have a alarm at his door)
I can't have any food that he may like in the house. I have put it in my room, in my closet & drawers he finds it.

Jessica - posted on 09/02/2013

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I have a 5 year old Am going the same way with her Am so worry.she lies, hids her food or the away she touch think that r not hers talks alot .she act like if shes older

Sarah - posted on 08/31/2013

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I am dealing with this same thing. My 7 yo son steals junk food and lies unremorsefully. I have tried everything from grounding and spanking to timeouts and taking privelages away. Nothing seems to help. I cry and feel like the worst parent and have no idea what to do to help. This lying and behavior problem seem to happen the most right when he is coming off of his dose of concerta. They had him on a second dose at noon last year and this made him miserable and mean, and he had a hard time sleeping at night. I don't know what to do either. I feel like I'm at my wits end. He does however seem to do fine in school its when he comes home and the meds wear off. Thank you ladies for all the other sharing of these problems. I was really starting to think I was the only one.

Tina Louise - posted on 08/01/2013

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My son has adhd and was diagnosed a few years ago. My son too lies and steals unhealthy food which is bought as a weekend treat. I will find chocolate wrappers in his room and chocolate in his bed. He will lie to my face. I now have a lock on my jitchen door. I have gone through with him the 15 foods he needs to avoid and explained why. Luckily he loves tuna which is a bonus. My motto is 'if i dont buy it then the cant have it :)

Vli - posted on 07/31/2013

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I am so sorry that you are having this experience - been there with a grandson. But I am a therapist - still took him to another and to a psychiatrist for an evaluation, as well as had his school psychologist do testing there for emotional disturbance (ED).
Please consider asking your family physician for a referral to a child psychiatrist or developmental pediatrician. Ask them to test for
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, Conduct disorder, Antisocial personality disorder,Attention deficit disorder,Reactive attachment disorder and oppositional defiant disorder - to see which may apply based on the symptoms for your daughter look them up on the web at a reputable sight such as Mayoclinic.com and each of these disorders has non profit organizations for parents and kids with the disorder. When you see the symptoms that most fit your daughter - you are probably on the right track. SOme of these are scary to hear and read about but be very honest in your assessment and in talking to your doctor(s). The younger intervention begins the more likely it is to make a difference in the long run. Also know that just as it takes time to get to know someone, therapy is not like a pill; you don't go onc or twice and see a difference. It tales time to change a mindset and even brief therapy is 6-12 sessions. Most of these disorders require both meds and therapy to make a significant change in an older child's behavior. I hope this helps!

Myia - posted on 07/03/2013

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This normal for kids to lie and take food when on Vyvanse. The lying is caused by the medication. The stealing food is when Vyvanse starts to wear off they get real real hungry because Vvyanse curbs the appetite and they don't feel hungry when it is working. We give our grandson things like boost at night and things that will fill him. Bread, oatmeal anything that is real filling but we have found ensure and boost works well. Recently we lost his medicaid due to a lot of errors. He was off the vyvanse because we could not afford the $260 a month. His personality changed he is still like a hyper kid but not as bad. He is 13 and has been on this since second grade. His appetite has increased and he has gone from 90 pounds (he is 5') to 110 pounds. We are going to leave him off of this all summer. We noticed he does not sneak food much just things like candy, and the lying is not nearly as bad he is more prone to tell the truth. We are hoping we can wean him off the meds permanently.

Faith - posted on 05/14/2013

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Diona,

Tragically such miscommunications and misunderstandings can be quite be unfairly labeled as "lying", "untrustworthy", or "manipulative" or in other ways as negative throughout their lives. Yes, those with ADHD, like anyone else, can indeed be untruthful, manipulative, and intentionally misleading. But for those who struggle with ADHD, unfortunately their various processing issues can often be at the heart of their misleading communication problems.

The paragraph above is a quote from the article linked below. Read this article, it will help you understand that your daughter doesn't understand about her own lying.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/liki...

Faith - posted on 05/14/2013

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It seems that many parents here don't understand what is happening with their ADHD child and lying. I strongly suggest that you read this article. How you handle this issue can determine whether your child has a positive or negative outcome, whether you push them into a "not caring because I can never get it right" attitude or not. You have the power through understanding this illness to guide them into the best personal outcome they can achieve but you must have the will and the "want to."


Here is a quote from the article about "honest lies"

Tragically such miscommunications and misunderstandings can be quite be unfairly labeled as "lying", "untrustworthy", or "manipulative" or in other ways as negative throughout their lives. Yes, those with ADHD, like anyone else, can indeed be untruthful, manipulative, and intentionally misleading. But for those who struggle with ADHD, unfortunately their various processing issues can often be at the heart of their misleading communication problems.

Take the time to become informed so that you understand what is actually happening in your child's mind. Use this link to read the article.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/liki...

Kit - posted on 05/05/2013

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We too were at our end. We tried everything. Our son was on adhd meds and meds to sleep. After some research and many books later, we decided to feed him everything all natural. We do not give him anything artificial, especially dyes and sweeteners. It is not sugar! Red 40 is the worst. When our son eats or drinks anything with dyes he immediately becomes wild and beligerant. He becomes elated and begins to have delusions of grandeur and wants to buy everything. These effects can last for up to 2 days. His behavior normally is a little bouncy and he well, you know, adhd. Anyway, we can always tell if he's had anything from school or from friends. Its almost as if he has smoked crack if he eats junk food. He becomes totally unmanageable. Long story short, we have shared this to other friends and they tried it with amazing results. they are still amazed and are.so relieved. Try it. cut out junk food, you have nothing to lose. It sounds far fetched, but it definately worked for us. We are much happier.

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