Can a person be unsaved or just in a backslidden state?

Nikki - posted on 10/30/2009 ( 30 moms have responded )

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I ask this question because I hear allot of wives say my husband was saved but he is not now. I thought once you where saved your always saved. If you choose to stop following Christ's direction, you go into a back slidden state. Can someone offer clarity on this subject?

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Victoria - posted on 11/02/2009

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Quoting Sara:

I am pentecostal, yeah I know, people call me a crazy fanatic, and I am. I believe you can turn away from God, but he will never turn away from you. ( I am with the previous post.) I also agree with the post "ask your pastor", but I would take it further and ask God. Spend time in prayer and in the word, you can never go wrong there. I believe that if you die in a backslid state (you turned away from God) you will die without Him and therefore go to Hell. (Sorry I don't mean to step on anyones toes.) Here is my final statement or question on this, is it worth it to find out later, take no chances make sure you are living as He has called you to live.


AMEN!!! 100% agree.

Geannie - posted on 11/04/2009

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I am "technically" Baptist, but our church is extremely "active" and (quoting) "on fire"... some joking call us "bapticostal"... ;) I do believe that once we're saved, it permanent b/c as someone already said, once you are covered/under Jesus' blood, He doesn't "uncover" you. And if it were possible to "lose" your salvation, then why was it even necessary for Jesus to die in the first place? See?
And I DO believe there is a state of "back sliding" HOWEVER if it continues for a long period of time OR if the person is content in that situation, then I believe he/she must reconsider whether they ever actually got saved.
God chastens his own... you can't be one of his children and be content OR not convicted while sinning. Sure, we DO sin and Jesus forgiveness can cover ALL sin, past/present/future, BUT when we just "wallow" in sin.. and don't feel guilty or discontent in it, in other words, we don't feel God pricking our consciousness.. then we have to closely examine whether we were ever actually 'saved' or not.
Also, be careful of believing a works-based salvation. God doesn't save us b/c of ANYthing we do, it's only His grace that saves us... the good works done for him after we're saved are done with a grateful heart (b/c he saved us) and to show our love for him.
I hope this helps. You've got a lot of responses to this controversial question.... whatever you do, seek God's word for your answers, and THEN confirm them w/a Bible-believing preacher.
God bless!!

Becky - posted on 10/31/2009

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I'm not wanting to argue by no means.. but the "once saved always saved" quote just baffles me. I know that it's by faith that you are saved and not by works, thus it's the blood of Jesus that gives us redemption and opportunity to be forgiven of our sins. That faith has to grow and be nurtured and if you're not living for God then how can that happen? I agree that being backslidden and unsaved are two different things and I personally think that both are not a good place to be. The bridegroom (Christ) is going to return for a bride that is without spot or wrinkle.. no blemishes.. Eph 5:26-27. To remain a child of God and covered in the blood you have to walk worthy of that covering. There is a constant need for forgiveness in ones life and if you are backslidden or unsaved, you are not walking in that relationship with God.

Carla - posted on 11/04/2011

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I had received the Lord at about age 12, but got pregnant and married at 15. I backslid dreadfully, but the Lord was so very gracious to me! He kept coming to my heart and saying 'Are you ready to come back yet?' I would say 'No, not yet', and He would be quiet for a while, then come again. I was backslidden in my actions, but my heart was always soft and tender to Him. I started going to church again at about 25, and my husband was saved as well. But we didn't have a CLUE about what truly being saved and living a life for Jesus meant. We kinda did the best we could. Again, we backslid, and this time I went quickly downhill. I truly believe that if the Lord hadn't gotten to me by some very dangerous times, I wouldn't be alive now. At age 50, I got serious with Him. I do NOT believe that if I had died while backslidden that I would have gone to Heaven.

Now, as to the Scripture in Hebrews 6:4-6, this would seem to contradict itself, but if you look at my life, this is made plain: I went to church, I went through the motions, I did what I thought was right, but I hadn't been truly enlightened. If, now, I backslid, then I think this Scripture would refer to me. I am now enlightened, I understand the Word, and the terrible price Jesus paid for me. If I took His wonderful Gift and in essence threw it back in His Face, I am sure He would be done with me.

God IS married to the backslider--however, He expects us to come back to Him and maintain our marriage relationship. He never quit coming looking for me, but it was MY decision whether I accepted or rejected.

I hope this answers your question, sweetie! God bless.

Angela - posted on 11/03/2011

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I do not believe in once saved always saved. The Bible says For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins... Heb 10;26-31 The grace of God does not nullify the judgement that "the soul that sinneth it shall die Ezek 18;4 Rather it provides a way to escape the "motions of sins" Rom 7;5 in the flesh so men need not die. When one has known the Lord and sins willfully his sin again separates him from God, even as the scriptures teach Heb 10;26. We must then seek the face of God in earnest repentance. Sin will never enter heaven. The grace of God saves from sin, not in sin. Matt 1:21 Thats my belief and I will not push it on anyone who believes differently. But lets all strive hard to meet in heaven!!

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Heather - posted on 11/07/2009

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I recommend reading the letters to the churches in Revelation chapters 2 and 3.

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Many people believe different things. However, I will speak from my own personal situation. I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and I backslid. I was 19, and had finished my first year at a Christian college. I met a guy and I quit going to church. During this period of 2 years I drank, began smoking and engaged in premarital sex. I truly believe that if I would have died I would have went to Hell. I was not a Christian, I did not act like a Christian, did not repent and was not a reflection of the love of Christ. After about 2 years out of the will of God I married and rededicated myself. I asked for repentance, I attend a freewill baptist church, but inregards to the once saved always saved the belief is the same. You can backslide. I did and I know in my heart I would not have went to heaven. This is what I beleive.

Amy - posted on 11/06/2009

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Read Hebrews the end of Ch. 5:11-14 and continues in ch. 6:1-18. This explains what happens to those who fall away and how they lose their salvation. The version of Bible is NIV and another wonderful and easy to understand Bible is the Amplified. Hope this encourages you and pray for the return of your husband to the church...God Bless! an unsaved man and a backslidden man are different." An unsaved man has yet to be introduced to Christ, while a backslidden man knows Christ and turns away." very well versed by Darcel Jones!

Geannie - posted on 11/06/2009

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I started to type all these out, but figured I'd not make such a huge post... all the following scripture was looked up in KJV b/c that's what I use... it's the version I prefer & recommend... just FYI.... you can look them up for yourself, but all these verses state emphatically that Jesus died once for sin. The key word here is "once".
It's always best to study these kinds of things for yourself when you have such questions. Even though your question is not exactly about the permanence of salvation... I think this also ties in. Hope this will help you.
God bless!
Geannie
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Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

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Romans 6:10
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

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Hebrews 7:24-27
Hebrews 9:11-12
Hebrews 9:24-26, 28
Hebrews 10:10
1 Peter 3:18

Heather - posted on 11/05/2009

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I was thinking about this today, and these two scriptures came to mind. I wanted to share them with you.

Matthew 10:22
All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

Matthew 24:13
but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

He who stands firm to the end will be saved...

Sally - posted on 11/04/2009

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no i would"nt think so if you"re out of god"s will you"re more than back slidden.christians can loose their salvation.if this was"nt the case than everyone would go to heaven. i will support that with scripture soon.

Elyssa - posted on 11/04/2009

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yu are saved, but if yu backslide its sin God is married to the backslidder & wants yu to come back (rededicate yourself). read the bible meditate, pray and listen

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I agree with you. I'm Baptist and that's what we believe, once saved, always saved. If that person doesn't follows God's path, their back sliding.

Christina - posted on 11/03/2009

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i think it is where we are backslidden, i remember a time that i was not walking right and i would hear GOds voice asking me if i was tired yet. It says that GOd knows the paths that we will chose before we even chose.

Marilyn - posted on 11/02/2009

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Well hon either they are or they're not....consider our growth in Christ,which is known as sanctification.Being a Christian is neither an event nor a quick fix.Rather,it is a journey. There are things for us to learn along the way,and while we may unwisely choose a longer path than necessary,there really are no shortcuts..Sadly,certain people grow after salvation.Some are not encouraged in their faith or discipled well.Others fail to pursue maturity through prayer, meditation on Scripture,and fellowship within the body of believers.that's why His Word tells us to "grow in the grace and knowledge of our lord and Savior Jesus Christ"(2 Peter3:17)..consider how spiritual development benefits believers.By learning God's ways,we can walk in obedience and live content, purposeful lives for His glory..something to think about.. 'Do you notice any change in your life and character since the day you or he were saved? Can you detect spiritual growth over the last year? Your heavenly Father wants to mature you...# 1.Sin: His goal is not just to bring a guilty feeling,but to show the need of a Savior.# 2 Righteousness:.In order to come to faith,one must understand that Jesus Christ lived a holy life but was crucified for our iniquity.Then He rose again,conquering death and offering redemption to all men. # 3 Judgment.Scripture teaches that after death,those who didn't trust Jesus will stand before God and be judged. I pray for the wives who live with this issue,even myself,cause i see myhubby at times and i think he is not saved.but is up to us to live a Christ like in front of them to win them to Him,by our behavior..1 Cor 7:13-14...i hope this is helpful God Bless you guys..

Sara - posted on 11/02/2009

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I am pentecostal, yeah I know, people call me a crazy fanatic, and I am. I believe you can turn away from God, but he will never turn away from you. ( I am with the previous post.) I also agree with the post "ask your pastor", but I would take it further and ask God. Spend time in prayer and in the word, you can never go wrong there. I believe that if you die in a backslid state (you turned away from God) you will die without Him and therefore go to Hell. (Sorry I don't mean to step on anyones toes.) Here is my final statement or question on this, is it worth it to find out later, take no chances make sure you are living as He has called you to live.

Millie - posted on 11/01/2009

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Ezekiel chapter 18 talks about a man, “But when a righteous man…” – this is verse 24 – “But when a righteous man [this is a saved person] turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, he shall die.”
Jesus said I’ll never let go of you. And anyone who comes to Me I will not cast out. We never have to worry about the Lord breaking His covenant. He will never let go of us; but WE STILL ARE FREE TO LET GO OF HIM. You see what I’m saying?
When Peter took his eyes off Jesus and he saw how big the waves were and how small he was, he began to sink. And then he realized that he was doomed; and he turned back to Jesus and said, ‘Lord, save me!’ And Jesus immediately pulled him out of the water.

He’ll do that for everybody that turns back to Him and who says, ‘Lord, I took my eyes off of you – forgive me.’ Some people do this on a daily basis.

Now I don’t want someone to think that once you’re saved, you’re lost and saved, lost and saved, day after day. God doesn’t work that way. But at the same time,THE BIBLE IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE ALWAYS FREE TO CHOOSE ANOTHER MASTER IF WE WANT. God doesn’t handcuff us to Heaven once we accept Jesus. Now, it’s easy for me to say that. Let’s look at some Bible examples.

You have people in the Bible like King Saul, chosen by God, anointed, filled with the Holy Spirit, but he became proud. He began to rebel. And pretty soon he grieved away the Holy Spirit; and he died a pitiful death – he killed himself – a lost man. He was saved, but he grieved away the Lord. The Bible talks about a person who, Peter says it’s like you know, the pig that was washed returns to wallow in the mire.

Judas was one of the Twelve. He had the hands of Jesus laid on his head. He was anointed. He was sent out preaching; but he clung to his sin of covetousness and he grieved away the Holy Spirit and took his own life

Hmm, Sorry, about the Capitalizations - Wanted to highlight some things.

I just think (in my opinion) that Denominational beliefs doesn't play into the question because we are labeled 1st & foremost..CHRISTIANS - belonging to Christ. Christ believed in the laws of God's established words & said..he did'nt come to do away with it but to fulfill it. The Holy Spirit confirms this because no matter what denomination we belong to - The Holy Spirit always defines the meaning of the living word the same. The Word never changes.. That's why it is a 2 edge sword..(KOOL!!)
GOD makes it clear that Sin will/does separate us from him. So, if we are saved but choose to Sin then it is us that chooses to be separated from Christ & ALL the privileges that we are entitled to in Christ.

Thanks..I really enjoyed fellowship with all of you :)

Heather - posted on 11/01/2009

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Ladies I have to tell you that this question has been posted several times in this community, and these are some of the best answers I have ever read! They are written gently, and worded clearly. I was nervous when this question was posted, but you all have blessed me with your answers. Thank you so much!

Toni - posted on 10/31/2009

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It is true, that a person can fall away from Christ and their faith. At that point, their spiritual welfare would be in jeopardy. However, if he was to reclarify his belief in Christ as his Lord and Savior and go back to church, he would be just fine. Part of our belief in Christ is going to church where is promises to reside with us; confessing our sins and asking for His forgiveness; and then receiving His gifts in sacraments.

Victoria - posted on 10/31/2009

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You still have to produce fruit in keeping with your salvation, if you're back slidden then you've walked out of your salvation, that means you need to rededicate you life to God again, scripture says "If you hold firm until the end...." "Once saved always saved imply that you can confess Christ once, live a life of sin & blasphemy & still go onto be with Christ, however scripture also tells us that "the unrepented sin can not be forgiven" and if your living a sinful life you haven't repented. Scripture also says that if you turn you back on God you end situation will be worse than before you were even saved.

Tamara - posted on 10/31/2009

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I always thought once you're saved you're always saved. To be sure I would talk to your pastor to find clarity.

Jill - posted on 10/31/2009

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i think i read once that if a man turns his back on God his situation will be worse than it was before he was saved... pray for God to give him the desire to be closer to Him... i understand your situation.. my husband does not seek God like he used to..

Darcel - posted on 10/30/2009

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I don't believe once saved always saved, and I am non-donominational Christian. I was taught it is possible for man to turn away from God and "backslide". I was taught that if a man turns from God and his ways and lives the life of an unsaved or worldly person he will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.



However an unsaved man and a backslidden man are different. An unsaved man has yet to be introduced to Christ, while a backslidden man knows Christ and turns away.

Jeanette - posted on 10/30/2009

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I agree with Cheryl, it depends on the denomination. I'm Lutheran, and we believe that because we were born sinners, it is actually impossible for us to "do" anything to be saved. It is God who does all the work and saves us. So as long as you have faith in God's saving grace, you will be saved. Nothing else matters. I suppose it's possible to lose that faith (i.e. becoming an atheist or something like that) and become "unsaved." But otherwise you will be saved.

Kelli - posted on 10/30/2009

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I firmly believe that once you are saved that you are always saved. Because of our fallen nature and free will we sometimes make wrong choices and fall away from Christ, but we can always return to Him and ask for forgiveness. I have been there myself.

Ginger - posted on 10/30/2009

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I personally am Baptist and beleive once you are saved, you are saved. You are covered in the blood. God doesn't go around lifting up the blood. That's why he gives us grace. We can't hold our salvation, he does and he gives it to us because we accepted his son and he loves us. If your husband has turned from God, I suggest that you pray. God has a way of getting the attention of his children.

Cheryl - posted on 10/30/2009

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It depends on your denominational beliefs. If you are of the free will groups: Nazarene, Methodist, Missionary, Weslayn, etc then yes, you believe and are taught that a person can commit the ultimate sin of blasmey of the Holy Spirit and deny your previous committment to Christ. Then, you would lose your salvation.

If you are of the Baptist, Bible, or others that believe in "once saved, always saved" then there are no sins that you can commit that would remove your name from the Lamb's Book of Life. Jesus dies for all your sins: past, present and future, including a future turning of your back on what you know to be true and therefore "Back-slidden"



I hope I have explained it without appearing like I was bashing one or the other. I tried to remain nutral in the explaination. There are several verses for both and it is one of those doctrine things that separates the churches now but we will all be in heaven together one day.



Incidentally, I was raised Nazarene and did believe I could lose my salvation. I remember going to the alter often to recommit and reconfirm because I had sinned that week. In college, I was active with Campus Crusade for Christ and they helped to me to realize I believe Jesus paid for all my sins and if I die tonight with one unconfessed sin, doesn't mean I'm going to Hell. But our choices of how we live affects our "crowns" in heaven, not if we will be there or not. You could live the worst life possible and repent on your deathbed, you'll still be in heaven, just not with alot of rewards that Paul talks about. In the grand sceme of things, I'm just thankful they're in heaven, not Hell.

We currently attend a Bible church- similar to Baptist.

Heather - posted on 10/30/2009

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I don't know if you will get much clarity on this here. It is rather controversial, and we have discussed it several times. There are verses that can be used to support both sides. Personally I don't believe that it is worth arguing over. If you aren't living for Jesus, then there is a good possibility that you won't make it in to heaven. Is that a risk that he is willing to take? The Bible tells us that we are to pick up our cross daily and follow Christ, if we aren't doing that, then there is cause for concern. It doesn't matter what they were, or if they were saved and back slid, all that matters is the here and now. If you aren't living for Jesus, there is a problem.



Galatians 2:6

As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message.

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