Gay Christians

Lisa - posted on 05/07/2011

We can share the love of God, the Truth and let God convict them. It's one thing to judge someone. It's another to reproof, rebuke and admonish eachother in the love of Jesus. Why when we are convicted or on the defensive we shout, "judgmental"? It is what it is. If you are a born again Christian commtting sin, ya, your gonna get reproofed because God says he corrects out of love, just like we do as parents.

Lisa - posted on 05/07/2011

Gay and christian? how about Christian thief, or christian Liar or Christian Idolitor... they are all the same, Did you know that Jesus calls a liar an abomination.... same thing he calls homosexuals. Food for thought.

Cassandra - posted on 05/07/2011

Let God judge them. What makes my judgement important?

Christina - posted on 05/07/2011

I think the definition of what it means to be a Christian is so tightly classified in these posts, that unless you are constantly on your knees begging for forgiveness, you are not a Christian. This is not a true statement. We BECOME Christians through the mercy and grace of God. It is a gift, not something we earn through a lifestyle. We live a Christian life through following rules that are imposed through religious training, some biblical truths, and other interpretations of the Bible. However, failing to live a life that is classified as a Christian does not mean that you did not receive the grace and mercy of God.

How does one resolve this dichotomy of thought and action? Of course we resolve it through an thorough understanding of the teaching of the Bible. However, nowhere in the Bible and the teachings of Jesus does it state that anyone is expected to be perfect. Part of our lives on earth is a constant teaching cycle of what a perfected life is supposed to be like. In my mind, that means that we are supposed to make mistakes, look to God (yes, even when we can't repent!) and pick ourselves up again. I've been through times when I couldn't even admit that my behavior was wrong, and boy did I find out the HARD way that I needed to get my life back in line.

So, I do think that when a person becomes a Christian - God's grace is bestowed upon them so that in those desperate times when we are unable to resist temptation or cannot pray, we are talk, lifted, and corrected back to the path we are to lead.

One of my favorite passages is Romans 8:26-27, "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God."

This says to me that it's practically impossible to fight the temptations of our lives all of the times or to know when we are wrong, or to get our head on straight. But only God knows when we need intercession. And if we are Christian, He takes care of us.

As for being gay, many psychological studies have proven that there is a spectrum of sexuality where approximately only 10% of people are truly homosexual and only 10% are purely heterosexual. The remaining 80% are located on a continuum of sexuality where they may have some leanings toward homosexualty based upon nature (genetics) or nurture (environment). Nature vs. nurture is an on-going argument in various scientific areas, including sexuality and psychology because there is not specific way of knowing how behavior is determined. For this reason, for 80% of the population, there may be decision-making processes involved that determine if a homosexual act takes place.

Although the Bible states that we have sin in our hearts and minds it is the same as committing the sin, I also think that overcoming negative thoughts is a central focus of our battle against the forces of evil. A good passage I think about overcoming forces of evil is Ephesians 6:10-17. Our thoughts are sometimes invaded by the forces of evil, especially when we become closer to God. I remember a pastor telling me once that Christians are the #1 target of the forces of evil because a slipped Christian is a greater victory then a non-Christian.

In any case, in my opinion, our sexuality falls into the same category of so many other problems we have. It shouldn't be treated any differently.

Jenny - posted on 03/15/2011

And some people cannot have children and were born that way so how could they possibly fulfill God's command to be fruitful and multiply. This is not a perfect world and babies are born with defects.

Tiffany - posted on 03/15/2011

I don't think God creates anyone to be gay. I think it's just an excuse gay people use to make themselves feel better. You cannot be Christian and gay. I think if people of the same sex were meant to be together then they would be able to naturally reproduce together and they can't. God says to be fruitful and multiply so if you can't naturally multiply then you have no business being together.

Heather - posted on 03/13/2011

AMEN Carla!

Melissa - posted on 03/13/2011

i agree with you mama 100%

Carla - posted on 03/13/2011

We can claim the name Christian when we are actively seeking to live a Christian lifestyle. Paul said don't be deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God (I Corinthians 6:9-10). He is very plain--if you are doing these things, you are not Christian. Do we wrestle with these feelings? Yes. Do we sometimes slip? Yes! But if we humbly repent and get back on the path, we are cleansed and restored to right standing. But to continue in these sins indicates we are not understanding the Grace of the Lord. He gives us grace to overcome our flesh. And He EXPECTS us to purify ourselves and become holy. I can't go out and commit adultery, then come home and pray and expect any answer, UNLESS I am falling on my face apologizing! I can't go out and drink myself silly (which was the only way I knew how to drink) and expect God to hear me. I had to do the hard work and cleanse myself from alcohol. I also had to give men a wide berth. No talking with men, even if it was for counseling, by myself. I will NOT put myself in a situation where there could BE temptation. But also note that covetous people were also mentioned. Paul said with food and clothing to be content. So, if you are whining constantly about wanting a better house, a newer car, you are just as bad as if you were committing adultery. Coveting something you don't have tells God you don't think He's doing a good enough job taking care of you. Adultery tells God you don't trust Him to have given us laws that are for OUR own good. Adultery tears families and hearts apart, not to mention the disease you may bring home. Homosexuality tells God you don't believe He knew what He was doing when He gave us a mate of the opposite sex, and told us to be fruitful and multiply. Can't do that, whether you are lesbian or gay.



God's Kingdom is absolutely pure. He has given us His Word that shows us how to clean up our lives and become holy. He is expecting us to do our part in crucifying the flesh.



But, either we believe God, and His Word, or we don't.



God bless

Laura Zoey - posted on 03/13/2011

The difference is you can't claim to be living a gay life and to be living a Christian life.
Sure we can fall and get back on track, but you can't be acting as both gay and Christian. The two can't co exist any more then a person actively prostituting and calling themselves chriastian. Or someone making a living off of lying and calling themselves a Christian.
You can struggle with lying, and still be living a Christian life, you can struggle with feeling gay and still live a christain life. But you can't actively live in both worlds.
You can not serve two masters. You either hate one and love the other.....
A person can sin, with a gay feeling thought or action and still be Christian if they repent and then actively try not to sin again that way.
You can't just say I'll sin every day and repent every night and do it all again tomorrow. That goes for any sin.

Kelsey - posted on 03/13/2011

I hate when I hear gay bashing as well, and trust me, this is not. There has been alot of scriptures brought up and we are simply trying to get everybodys take on the subject as it relates to the Bible and God.

Melissa - posted on 03/12/2011

The thing is we as Christians shouldnt be acting on either of these impulses. We should examine our lives and cut the sin out of them and live for the Lord. I dont think I am gay bashing at all (since its my tendnecy I would be bashing myself) but I am sin bashing. We should never accept sin in our lives but always fight it off until we have won. James 4:7 says: "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." I could just say, "Oh well I can just repent of this sin and its ok." But is that what God is calling us to do NO!!
♥ Living4Him ♥

Debbie - posted on 03/12/2011

Exactly, Corena! I have comparing homosexuality to fornication forever but no one seems to get that! We are all sinners and all separated from God without Jesus. I feel nauseous when I see people gay bash :(

Carlene - posted on 03/12/2011

I understand this Teresa, I'm just saying that there's a lot more than "condemning" or "condoning" it. I have friends who are gay AND Christian. It doesn't make a difference whether you are gay, smoke, drink, lie, steel, cuss, murder, disobey your parents, etc. If you confess to the Lord and you love him and accept him as your savior, you are still Christian, are you not? It just baffles me that people will be quick to condemn the gay... It just don't make much sense to me. I'm sorry if i offend anyone or have confused anyone. I am just simply stating that gay Christians have accepted the Lord as their God and savior so y can't they receive the same understanding and love as those who smoke or have kids outside of marriage? it just don't make much sense to me at all...

Teresa - posted on 03/12/2011

There are a lot more things Carlene, but this post was only about gay Christians.... so that is what's being discussed on this post. ;)

Carlene - posted on 03/12/2011

I honestly don't care either way guys, i think that there is more to life than trying to change people's minds about being gay. It is not "natural" nor "correct" but on the other hand, people waste too much time trying to condemn those who are gay and not trying to get better justice for those who break the 10 commandments. we are letting murderers get away with everything bc of "compassion" but yet condemn the gay. I just believe there are more things to deal with than the gay Christians...

Kelsey - posted on 03/11/2011

I agree Carla...there are too many Christians rationalizing their lives, beliefs, actions...all to keep up with modern times. We were created in GODS Image...we are not to create God in our image, just to fit our life style.

Carla - posted on 03/11/2011

There is a lot of hot debate lately about beliefs that contradict the Bible. A lot of opinions have been given here, but we absolutely cannot dispute the fact that the Bible SAYS homosexuality is against His will for our lives. Some have posted that they WERE gay, but since coming to Christ they are crucifying that part of their flesh and following the prescribed lifestyle of Christ. We can try to rationalize this til the Lord comes, but what are we actually doing? We are saying either Paul mistook what the Holy Spirit told him (so how do we take as Truth the other things he has written) or that in the modern world, things are different. Both of these ideas are dangerous! I have seen that God blesses men and women, so, despite Paul's writings about women teaching/preaching men, their theories make sense, because surely God blesses both sexes. Reading the entire Bible, and not just parts, tells us that God has a hierarchy, be it at home or in the Church that He expects to be obeyed. Do we now start ignoring or tearing out the parts of the Truth that we don't want to hear? Do we believe the world was made in 6 actual days? No, I don't think I can believe that, so we'll tear that part out. Do we believe a flood actually covered the entire earth? No, I don't see how that could happen. Okay, tear that part out. Do we believe God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? No, a God of love would NEVER do something like that! Okay, tear that part out. Do you believe that Someone could be dead for 3 days then rise again? No, that isn't possible! Okay, tear that part out. We certainly can't believe God would give inspiration to a man who murdered Christians, so all of Paul's writing is out the window. Do you believe God is going to bring punishment upon the earth before He comes again? Certainly not! Okay, we tear that out. Now, what have you got left that you can hold onto to help live your life? You got the cover of the Book. Our pastor graphically illustrated this in church one time, and the impact of it still lives with me. He tore the pages out and let them drop to the floor. Are we tearing the pages of Truth out and letting them drop to the floor in the name of comfort and tolerance? I think we need to re-evaluate our foundation. Is our foundation built on faith in God and His Son, or is it just something we do because our grandma said we ought to? We need to be extremely careful what we take into our hearts to hold as beliefs.

God bless

Jenny - posted on 03/10/2011

Just because it happens does not mean that its natural. It is unnatural because the Bible says it is going against nature.



Romans 1:26-27 "26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."



Let us not get decieved and start thinking that being Gay is natural.

Carlene - posted on 03/10/2011

Rebekah: you say that you can not be gay and "Christ-like" how is it different than being a Christian who lies at times, or (in my case) gets pregnant outside of marriage. I'm still a Christian, a SINNING Christian, but a Christian none the less. There's more to being Christian than being strait. and if you look in nature, there are animals in the wild kingdom who have homosexual activity. dolphins have paired up homosexually, they mate for life and are the only other animal on the earth that have "relations" for more than just recreation. penguins have been known to choose mates of the same gender. so y is it hard to have the concept that it isn't "natural"?

Danielle - posted on 03/10/2011

IT IS PEFECTLY FINE TO TREAT THEM WITHOUT ADMONITION. tHEY ARE A WALKING SIN ATTRACTION THAT SOULDENT BE TOLERATED IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY. JESUS SAID, REPENT OR YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH" HE WASNT AFRAID OF HURTING THERE FEELINGS, AND NEITHER SHOULD WE BE TOWARDS THIS ABOMIBLE ACT. THEY NEED TO KNOW WE ARENT FINE WITH PARADING LIKE IT OK TO BE GAY. IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS, THEN YOU HAVE COMPRIMISED YOUR CHRISTIANITY TO NEW AGE. IF THE BIBLE SAYS 1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,1 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." THIS IS LOVE BY WARNING THEM.

Carla - posted on 03/09/2011

@Jenny--I specifically mentioned alcohol and men because those were my 'sins of choice'. Maybe I should have clarified that. We had a man at our church that was gay and had come to Jesus. When he converted, he stopped hanging around with his gay friends. Same as what I did when I re-dedicated my life. Once he was saved, he wanted to go into the gay community and preach to them down on Michigan Ave., where there was a notorious gay bar. We advised him that it was a little early, and that he might want to get stronger in his faith before he went. He felt he was ready--he was not, and got entangled back in it again. We also had a young woman who was similar to what I had been who got saved. She was divorced, had 3 kids, raising them alone. She did the very best she could, but she would get depressed and slip back into a drug fest or bring someone home with her for the night. She would call me the day after, in tears, repenting up one side and down the other. The difference between these two is that she kept seeking, would fall, and get back up again and start seeking again.



I relay these stories because there is a consequence for sin. Those thoughts and feelings still come to tempt us. That is why Paul tells us to immediately start building yourself up in the Holy Ghost. Pray, read your Bible, find out that sin rips God up. As our relationship grows, He expects us to be able to resist, as we grow from baby to adult. Do we still sin? Yes, but there is a difference now. We still live in a fleshly body, and the body wants what it wants. It's how we resist that God is interested in, and why. Remember that God is all about the heart-stuff. If we, out of an honest and sincere love for Him, want to purify ourselves, He is there, with Grace for us. I posted this concept yesterday.



And how do we give them strength? We don't. God does. If they are honestly trying, and you can see that, then we are obligated to pray, encourage and lift them up. That is the help you give. Our kind-of-adopted daughter married this man that seemed to be a great guy. All of the sudden she started getting doubts, smelled alcohol, found porn, money started disappearing out of their account, etc. Things deteriorated fast, and although he could talk his way out of some of this, the ugly truth came out. We got them into the church our other children go to, they both gave their hearts to Jesus and we felt they were on the right track. We counseled them almost daily, we bought them Bibles, gave them books, we literally lived, ate and breathed with them. Long story short, he was playing a game, and had not converted at all. All through this time, we counseled, loved and cared for them. He had made a game of pretending Christianity so he could get out of the jam. The Holy Spirit revealed this to us, and we walked away from him, reluctantly. You see? We did what we could, but when we found he wasn't honest in his quest for Christ, we couldn't be involved with him any longer.



The Holy Spirit will tell you if you are supposed to involve yourself with them, or whether you are to just stand back and pray. You HAVE to keep yourself from getting tangled up with them, your salvation may be at stake.



I hope this helps.



God bless

Jennifer - posted on 03/09/2011

Sin is sin. It's been said often enough throughout these posts. How many of us had a flare of what we have decided was right and Biblical in reference to this post? People are people. Jesus didn't give His blood so that only the righteous would live. He gave Himself so that we all have the chance to know Him and come into the fold. So that we can share Him with others. I was raised by a man who by definition was a white supremacist. He hates everyone not like him. What I always thought when he'd begin a rampage (verbal) was "But Dad, God loves us all, and we're made the same." We all have the ability to break the Lord's heart with sin. We are all of the Father, whether others believe it or not, so we are all siblings of the Father, so love your siblings. I realized that as it is my job to reach out to my siblings in love to bring them to Him, ultimately, I can only try. My mom calls me a gay magnet. People of the gay community are drawn to my personality. I can speak to them about the Lord, listen to their thoughts, etc and have a conversation. I end it with, "it's not my place to judge, I just wanted you to know." I lost a dear friend this year because of a blog post I made. Sometimes we think that because we don't sin so blatantly (trying to be careful with my words here) we're "above" others. My name is Jen. Although I don't drink or smoke or do drugs or have illicit sex (with men or women) I do feel prideful, I am not always the best steward of my time or money, I have had lustful thoughts, I've been overcome with anger, I've lied, I've stolen, I've hurt people, I've said and done things that I'm ashamed to mention here. BUT like ANYONE who has come to know the Father, as I confess these sins, though I may stumble, He will catch me. We as a people have fallen from the beginning... from the moment Eve plucked the fruit... The lord doesn't call us to judge, He calls us to love. Faith, Hope, and Love... the greatest of these, is love.

Jenny - posted on 03/08/2011

I agree that they have to be willing to want to change. And like you, i would not associate myself and my family closely to someone who is a Christian and continually abuses alcohol and refuses to admit they have a problem and dont want to change. But most people do want to change.

And how do we go about giving them "strength" to change?
And saying that we pray about them is totally different to saying that we should go up to them and ask them Whats up, and How are you doing? etc etc.. or totally different to judging them, casting them asside and not associating ourselves closely with them.

Carla - posted on 03/08/2011

@Jenny--your question--what do we do with our gay fellow Christians? If they are following hard after Christ, the way those that have come out of strong sin have to do, He will give them strength to change their lifestyle. If, however, they do not wish to change, or don't think they have to change, we still love them, however, we do not associate closely with them. (See I Corinthians 5:9-13) I do NOT hang around with alcoholics. I do NOT hang around with men. If I have gay tendencies, and I am trying to live for Jesus, I do NOT put the temptation in front of myself!

Paul said in the Corinthians I mentioned above, we DO NOT judge those outside the church! We DO, however, judge those INSIDE the church! If someone's sinning in the church, you don't associate with them. That does NOT mean you don't show them love, it just means you don't make them your bosom buddy. Sin has a tendency of rubbing off someone very quickly.

God's grace (unmerited favor) is given to all who embrace Him with sincerity. We continue to receive this Gift as long as we love and keep His commandments. I am so grateful to receive this Gift, given the life I have lived, that I don't want to do anything to mess that up! What we need to do, however, is check to make sure we are following behind Him sincerely. Are we doing everything we can to bring Him glory? Do our actions glorify God? If not, Grace is not going to be given, and we find ourselves in jeopardy of falling. This is a sobering statement, and much attention needs to be given to it. Are we following Man's ways and interpretations, or are we following God's? God is the same today as He was in the beginning. We think that because so much time has gone by that surely things have changed, and we adjust the Bible accordingly. But God has NOT changed, and neither should we attempt to change His Word. I trust Him completely to give me exactly what will equip me to fight the flesh and make myself perfect in His eyes. The Bible is that equipment. I am not going to presume to out-think Him and follow something else.

God bless, all

Laura Zoey - posted on 03/08/2011

I don't think we DO anything with people who are living a gay life and still trying to be Christians, I think we pray, the only way they will see change in their lives is if it comes from deep inside their souls. And only the holy spirit can touch us there.
If someone reaches out to you about their gay feelings and asks for help, then of course we should help any way we can. But we aren't here to 'fix' everyones sins. Besides, pushing ourselves onpeople and attacking them about their sins hardly does anyone any good. Pray, and if asked, help.

Melissa - posted on 03/07/2011

I was thinking the same thing. I mean when someone asked "What do you propose we do with our fellow gay christian then? " I was thinking what do you do with someone who has premarital sex? Or what ever sin someone has in there life. I make sure I take the plank out of my eye first for sure!!

♥ Living4Him ♥

Vanessa - posted on 03/07/2011

The world is out to confuse everyone and is even confusing Christians. I myself have struggled with this very same thing but the bottom line is homosexuality is a sin just like any other. One difference between Christians who actively practice fornication and Christians who are homosexual is, the later has a name. There is no group called Fornicating Christians. It's all wrong just the same. I wonder if anyone who continually practices any sin without conviction is really a Christian in the first place. Salvation is more than confession. You have to believe in your heart first. God sees the heart.

Aaryn - posted on 03/07/2011

God commands me to love, love my gay brother, love my neighbor, love the person who might sin against me...love, love, love. Not to judge, but to love. Thats what I do, I love.

Kristie - posted on 03/07/2011

God clearly stated that man should only lay with a woman. man should not be with another man and woman should not be with another woman or its clearly an abombination to him. We can still love them and try to teach them the right way, which is just so hard. I have an aunt who lives with her girlfriend and 3 cousins that are gay and its just so hard to understand why they are that way but i have to love them non the less

Kelsey - posted on 03/07/2011

We pray.

Jenny - posted on 03/07/2011

What do you propose we do with our fellow gay christian then?

Carla - posted on 03/07/2011

That is I Corinthians 5:9---, Kelsey.

Kelsey - posted on 03/07/2011

Are we allowed to judge non-Christians no, but I would just like to mention that the Bible also states that as Christians we are supposed to be holding each other accountable for our actions. If we see a brother or sister in Christ going down the wrong path it is our responsibiity to talk with them in love, not lecture, just say "hey whats going on?" and "how can we help".

Melissa - posted on 03/07/2011

I believe that someone can be born that way through generational sin passed down through times. I believe that I may have been born that way because it is all I can ever remember but it might be from outside influence too.

As for staying single, the bible only says to do that IF and only IF you can do so without sinning. BUT if you cannot you should marry. In my situation I have never lusted after a man, only women. But I still married my gorgeous husband and now that I am going through all of this with God and accountability people around me, God is actually changing me and I lust my husband. It is GrEaT for me and him!! That is only something that God could do, it is the slow transformation that He is doing in my life. Praise be to HIM!!

♥ Living4Him ♥

Laura Zoey - posted on 03/07/2011

I think we can be born with 'defects' like the tendency to be gay, to gamble, to be addicted to drugs or alcohol, to overeat.

We aren't born perfect sometimes babies are born with medical physical issues, sometimes with mental emotional issues. I feel the tendency to be gay falls in the mental emotional issues category. I do believe some have been born with a predisposition to be gay, but that doesn't mean it's not something they can work against, just as a person with a personality that is heavily addictive can work through their addictions.

Maybe if a man does not feel attracted to women, that is just Gods way of tying to tell him that God wishes him to remain single. Maybe we just assume, if I don't like women I must like men! Or vice versa for women.

The bible does say that some people are called not to marry, maybe God just causes some not to be attracted to the opposite sex intending on them remaining single.

We don't tell alcoholics that You were born this way, don't try to change yourself!

Chanda - posted on 03/07/2011

The Bible also says to not judge, unless you want to be also harshly judged. I'm not saying it's right or wrong here. I'm saying it's not my place to judge. It is my responsibility to act with respect and kindness, and leave the rest to God. Weather God "made someone gay" only He can say. For all we know, the concept is just another test to see if we'll follow Him unconditionally, even when it doesn't make sense. I don't know about you, but I'm not prepared to throw the first stone...I have no control over anothers' actions, only mine. I think I'll leave the rest on His shoulders - they're much larger than mine. = )

Kelsey - posted on 03/07/2011

The Bible says it is wroing, so how can it be right? Just wondering...

Aaryn - posted on 03/07/2011

I have a wonderful brother, who was raised exactly the same way as myself and our other sibling. We were raised in a loving, Christian household. My brother is gay, and he is the nicest, best person I have ever met. And he was born this way, he has always been gay...he tried for years not to be, but it is the way he was created. I truly believe this based on my experience. But I know many Christians believe it is a sin, and I respect that right to have that opinion as well...I don't really believe either side can change the mind of the other.

Carla - posted on 03/07/2011

Here's another way to look at things, which I think will make a lot of people feel better. When we accept Christ, we are a new creation, heart-wise. But we still live in a fleshly body. And as long as we live in flesh, we will battle the flesh. Paul said the things I want to do, I don't, but the things that I don't want to do, I do. Oh, wretched man! Who will deliver me? Jesus! So, with my MIND I serve Him, but the flesh still wants to serve sin. He also said it is no longer him that sins, but his flesh. That does not give us a license to sin, it just means God isn't going to hit us on the head with a thunderbolt. The sin Paul is talking about is sin you continually do. Former alcoholics slip, but then pick themselves back up, ask for forgiveness, then go on. Former liars will tell a whopper, stop, repent, then continue on their Christian walk. We fight sin every day. I, too, Melissa, battle the thoughts daily. I have a highly addictive personality, in fact, I was even addicted to gummy bears, if you can believe that! That was since I re-dedicated my life to the Lord ;)



God knows what we've done, He knows our thoughts. He knows our struggles. What we do with those thoughts and struggles NOW is what He is concerned with. Do we act on them, or do we pray for deliverance? I pray for us all, that we will imitate Jesus, and have a CLOSE relationship with the Father. That is how He lived on earth as a human, yet kept Himself from sinning.



God bless!

Chanda - posted on 03/06/2011

Since I've know people with intersex anatomy that were labeled one sex when born and then legally had it changed to what they felt later, I can see how some would say there are those "born gay". These are people who have been told they are one thing and feel another. Of course, this is more of a technical response than anything, and I think a more personal opinion is required on a subject such as this.

I have always believed a person's relationship with God is just that - between them and God. I know that I am not perfect and don't expect anyone else to be. Who am I to say that anyone else's sin is worse than mine? Who made me queen of all the "right" choices in the world?

I mean, I think bungee jumping is insane and would never try it. However, I know some very nice people who do. Gosh I love those adrenaline junkies, and they have enough respect for me to not be obscene in front of me. They know it'd give me heart failure to see some of their exploits.

This may seem like an odd tangent, but I don't see this any different than those who chose alternate lifestyles. It's their choice. So long as they are respectful of those around them, why should I have a problem with someone wearing purple on St. Patty's Day, joining a nudist colony, going to a different church, or anything else that is a personal choice? I simply pray that His will be done in my life each day and treat those I see each day with kindness and respect, as I hope they will do for me.

Just my opinion, of course. God bless.

Jenny - posted on 03/06/2011

I can lie at times and i can have issues with envy and pride and everything else even though i try not to. Just because i do these things at times when i stumble should not mean that i cant call myself a christian. i will never be christlike, because that is impossible, only one is perfect and that is Christ. We are saved through grace not through how good we are because we could never possibly be good enough. I will always try to better myself and do things to praise God's name, but i was born into sin and will sin for the rest of my life because i am but human. We will never be without sin.



So if sin is sin, if stealing, adultry, pride and homosexuallity are all sin then what is so crazy about a homosexual claming they are christian? As long as they know that is not right and continue to battle the issue they can say that they are Christians. Because they have the same faith as us and believe in the one God. Its just like a person who you know lies calling themselves a Christian. You know its not quite right but then again we each have our sins and yet we strive to be good and follow the Chrisitan faith.



As for are they born this way? It has not been scientifically proven either way althought there may be alot of theories on the subject. But remember this is a fallen world and babies are not all born perfect. There are plenty born with desieses and etxra fingers and mutated faces and handicap and half a heart and all sort of things that you would think surely God did not "make" them this way. But he let it all happen because these are the times we live in now. So it shouldnt be such a far strech to say that some are Born with gay tendencies due to unbalanced hormoes and what not in their chemistry and DNA.



I think we throw the phrase around too lightly "Gays cannot be born that way." Where as for a gay person to actually accept that he was gay and that he/she was born this way comes from a totally different place. You have no idea what desperation leads a person to finally admit that they are gay dispite trying to be something else for years on end and then to admit that they were born this way and that ever since puberty (or even before in some cases) they were strugling with this.





Matthew 7:2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Melissa - posted on 03/06/2011

Well as I said God is working on me. I am NOT acting on the thoughts that enter my mind and havent in years! But they still come. It is hard because my husband and I are addicts (I was cooking meth about 5 years ago) and it seems like we are addicted to EVERYTHING ;( One of the things being porn. I have not actually acted on that in a while BUT I have so many images ingrained in my head that they are popping up continously. God has promised to remove this "thorn in my side" though if I just stay true to Him and give it to Him when ever it happens. I just really get heated when people that have not struggled with this get all opionated about something they have never experienced. One thing I have learned in recovery is that I personally do NOT learn something from someone that has just read about it. I learn and grow from those that have beeen down a similar path. It is a process just like any other sin and it only matters if God knows I am doing my best to be Christ-like.

♥ Living4Him ♥

Rebekah - posted on 03/06/2011

Melissa - To clarify what I meant by I don't believe a person professing to be gay can't be a Christian. Let me take you to the word...

Romans 8 specifically tells us that Salvation is a free gift. I believe anyone can be saved, as the Word of God tells us that if we call upon His name and profess to believe in Jesus we will be saved.

But let's look at Christianity more closely... the term Christian means "Christ-like" and if we profess to be a liar, to be a murderer, to be gay... then we should NOT be saying we are also "Christian" as that has nothing to do with being "Christ-like". There is a BIG difference between "Christian" and "salvation". And this is something many churches fail to teach.

I do agree with you that God works on us where we are. But I also believe in Romans chapters 2-8 on the aspect that if KNOW law of God and we still choose to listen to our sinful nature (which is nothing more than believing a lie from the devil) then we blaspheme the name of the Lord.

And it doesn't matter what sin it is, if we know it's a sin, and outright ignore the word of God, we are no better than the Israelites in the day of Moses, no better than the Corinthians, etc. Paul specifically states when we do this, to the world we are seen as hypocrites (I paraphrased this).

I believe we are to reach out in love to everyone - whether they say they are Christian or not, gay or not, murderers or not, rapists or not, etc.

But I would be very careful claiming a sinful lifestyle and also saying you are "Christian" - blasphemy is not tolerated by God. Hence why the homosexual lifestyle when chosen God releases His hand upon the person and will allow the sinful nature to take over, which also means the protection of sicknesses and long life comes off of you. It's been proven by medical research that a homosexual lifestyle will shorten years on your life by 10-15 years. It's been proven by medical research that certain illnesses are more common with homosexuals.

Now, if a person wanted to claim "I'm having homosexual thoughts enter my mind" and still claim to be a Christian - I have no problems with that. This is a person struggling with a "thought".

But true meaning of CHristian is "Christ-like" and moving to become more and more like Him!

I'm glad you have realized your battle and God is working with you on it. I pray you have great accountability partners and trusted friends to help you through this. But our words are everything.

Teresa - posted on 03/06/2011

Sin is sin. Someone being homosexual is no better or worse than me being lazy when I SHOULD be doing something important... or yelling at my kids when I've lost my cool.... or someone committing murder (just to give an example of 'minor' and 'major' sins).

All that being said..... I'm not sure of my stance on someone being born gay or not. I do believe it is POSSIBLE, since sin is in the world and could 'mutate' (for lack of a better term) a person's genetics in such a way that they could in fact be born w/ an attraction towards people of the same sex in the same way that many people are born w/ an attraction towards members of the opposite sex. I don't know cuz I'm not gay. I do know though that while a person may not be able to control how they FEEL.... they CAN control how they act. Just as I can control my choice to not have sex now that I am no longer married, a person who is attracted towards same sex people CAN control whether or not they have sex w/ them. They don't have to 'live w/out love' (as normally goes the argument at this point) though cuz there are MANY types of love and they can all be fulfilling.... especially the love from God.

I don't have a mate (and most likely never will again), but I am certainly NOT w/out love.... and only some of that love comes from my kids. ;)

I don't know if any of that made sense or if it was just crazy rambling. lol

Carla - posted on 03/06/2011

@Melissa--I applaud you, honey, both for your honesty, and your perseverance in following following Jesus. We all came to Him with our sins in our hands, asking for forgiveness. Some of us had more, some had less, but we were all in the same boat--lost. I thank God every day that He forgave my sins, and, like Mary Magdalene, they were many. Did I 'clean up' immediately? Some of them. Some have taken TIME to resolve, and to this day, I still struggle with some.

We have to be very careful when making blanket statements, and I apologize as well, about what Christians are or do. You say you are working on it, and that's all we can do. But you understand that that is not what God has for your life. The ones who don't understand are the ones that we were talking about.

God bless, honey. This 'way' we walk takes a lifetime to refine and hone, but it is definitely worth it!

Laura Zoey - posted on 03/06/2011

I feel like if I werent a Christian I might be a lesbian. In general I'm more turned on by womens bodies then mens. But I never acted on it, I saw it as an obstacle to overcome. And when I met my now husband I was more then attracted to him in all aspects. I still fight down any lesbian thoughts or fantasies, but I adore my husband and we have a wonderful relationship as well as a wonderful sex life.

I think some people are on the 'gay spectrum' but I do not believe you have to accept it as who you are. I think our brains can misfire when we feel these ways, and likely we could use hormones to get rid of the gay thoughts. Idk I haven't looked into the medical aspect of it much but I thought I heard that being gay was actually a brain malfunction that can be helped with drugs. Like a sickness etc.

Bt in this day of acceptance of all people it's not ok to say that being gay is a mental condition. But that's my theory.

I don't think you can always just pray it away, if it's really a brain problem you might need help medically.

But for me it's just a nuisance, something I don't think about alot, but just pops up here and there and I fight it back. God never said we had to be flawless, just that we had to strive for being Christ like. And fighting gay thoughts is very much the same as fighting any sexual thoughts for someone who isn't your spouse.

Melissa - posted on 03/05/2011

I deff dont think that I was born gay. I believe that it was from my exposure to sex at a young age. It has been linked to that. Before I knew Christ I just thought it was who I am but now that I know Christ I know that it is something that happened to me because of sin in this world. This is something that God has told me that he wants to deliver me from BUT I have to do my part, meaning giving it to Him on a daily, hourly, momently basis (idk if thats a word!) and when I am faithful He is faithful. It also could be generational sin, thats a whole other story about my parents though, who of us dont have that story though =)
♥ Living4Him ♥

John 8:7
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Corena - posted on 03/05/2011

I am not clear of where I stand on whether people are born gay or not. I am having an ongoing conversation with God about it.

The only things I know for sure are that God DOES NOT make mistakes and I am supposed to love EVERYBODY as He does.

Melissa - posted on 03/05/2011

I guess you didnt read the rest of my post. Or you yourself dont sin?