How do you reconcile evolution with the account of Genesis in the bible?

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Victoria - posted on 08/27/2011

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I fully believe God created the Earth and everything in it just as He said He did in genesis. When it comes down to time, I'm always reminded of 1Peter 3: 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. God is spirit, He is not as we are, He is not man, He doesn't think like us, so there is no possible way we can understand how He created EVERYTHING. All we are called to do is have faith and believe.

Tamitha - posted on 09/24/2011

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Check out this website: www.answersingenesis.org



You Can't. Evolution is man's attempt to explain the world WITHOUT God, Genesis is explaining how God created the world. You can't reconcile the two. You need to trust and have faith in God & the Bible.

Barbara - posted on 09/21/2011

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If you go to www.blueletterbible.org, you'll see that the Hebrew interpretation of Gen. 1:5 & all other "creation" verses referring to "day" in English = "yowm" in Hebrew. The Hebrew interpretation is literally a 24 period of time. In addition, consider the issues involved with LONG periods of time vs. a 24 hr. period of time. Many theistic evolutionists claim the Bible verse in II Peter 3:8 to be confirmation for long periods of time, yet they fail to notice that the verse is a metaphor. Also, consider the contradictions that exist between long periods of time vs. the literal 24 hr. periods of time: 24 contradictions, like evolution = sun before plants & Bible says plants before sun. Can't be well grounded in Scripture if one ignores Scripture. See contradictions list @ http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles... This is a great resource. The problem w/ compromising the Scripture is that it leads to compromise in other parts of Scripture. Please check this site out.

Linda - posted on 08/29/2011

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Something I came across today concerning the meaning of the word "day" in Genesis:
"One very common question is, are the days of Creation Week (Genesis 1:1–2:3) normal-length days? Dr McCabe strongly affirms this, giving several reasons:
The Hebrew noun יוֹם yôm, “day,” is used in this context 14 times, 13 times in the singular and once in the plural (v. 14) (it is used in Genesis 1:5 [twice], 8, 13, 14 [twice], 16, 18, 19, 23, 31; 2:2 [twice] and 2:3). The reason why this is significant is that yôm always refers to a normal literal day when it is used as a singular noun and is not found in a compound grammatical construction (see box on Genesis 2:4).
Genesis 1:5 defines a day as a period of light separated from darkness.
Each creation day has a numeric qualifier—“one day,” v. 5, “second day,” v. 8, etc. When yôm is used with a numerical qualifier in the Old Testament, it is not used in an extended, non-literal sense (for similar uses of yôm, see Numbers 7 and 29).
The word ‘day’ in this context is qualified by ‘evening’ and ‘morning’. Each numbered creation day is associated with ‘and there was evening and there was morning’ (1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31). Whether ‘evening’ and ‘morning’ are used together in a context with ‘day’ (19 times beyond the 6 uses in Genesis 1) or they are used without ‘day’ (38 times), they are used consistently in the Old Testament as a reference to literal days. "

Barbara - posted on 09/23/2011

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The most accurate interpretation, in my opinion, is that of the Darby. It states, " 20 And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living souls, and let fowl fly above the earth in the expanse of the heavens.



21And God created the great sea monsters, and every living soul that moves with which the waters swarm, after their kind, and every winged fowl after its kind. And God saw that it was good.



22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply on the earth.



23And there was evening, and there was morning -- a fifth day. "



Grammatically speaking, I'm seeing a new verb "let" being used in verse 20, creating a distinct difference between the sea creatures and those of the sky. Consider also that this verse clearly states the difference. Also, consider that evolution denies the evolution of sea creatures to birds. Instead, evolution claims that birds gave rise to dinos. Sea creatures developed legs, only to develop into reptiles, etc... Even evolutionary theory disagrees with this take on matters. Lastly, please consider the contradictions between the Biblical description and that of evolution. Theistic evolutionists should seriously consider whether or not it is worth it to compromise Scripture for the sake of modern, changing science. This view may not prevent YOU from salvation, yet it may lead others into denying the Scripture for the sake of current (supposed) science!



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Victoria - posted on 09/27/2011

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Thanks ladies for all your input.
May God bless you richly for your insight & participation in this thread.
I sense the LORD leading to close it to further comments now.
Thanks again,
Pastor Victoria.xx

Barbara - posted on 09/23/2011

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Compromising on the book of Genesis as a book of history can = compromise on other books of scripture. Tear down the foundation of Genesis, then why not tear down the validity of other scriptures? Scary!

Carla - posted on 09/22/2011

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Joshua 10:12-14 says: '.....Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the Lord hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the Lord fought for Israel.'



These verses say that this ONE day the Lord stopped the sun from going down and the moon from shining, and this has never happened before, nor will it happen after.



When God gives us a 24 hour day to work in, He works in the same amount of time. We aren't God, and we have NO idea how He works. I just know He does. When He says He created the Heavens and Earth in one day, I totally believe He did it in one day. We either believe God can do ANYTHING, or we don't. Faith is the key.



God bless, all

Victoria - posted on 09/21/2011

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This is the word day from Hebrew & all it's meanings as found (copied & pasted) in the Strongs Hebrew concordance. Since there seems to be a big interest the word I thought I'd share.

Pastor Victoria.

03117 (Hebrew word) yowm (pronunciation) yome
(The actual Hebrew writing wouldn't transfer)

AV-day 2008, time 64, chronicles 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full 8 always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44; 2287

1) day, time, year
1a) day (as opposed to night) {#Ge 7:4,12 8:22 31:39,40 Ex 24:18 34:28 Nu 11:32 Jos 10:13 De 9:9,11,18,25 10:10 Ge 1:5,14,16,18 1Sa 30:12 Jud 19:8,9,11 Am 5:8 1Ki 8:29 19:8 Ne 4:22 Ec 8:16 2Sa 3:35}
1a1) the heat of the day {#Ge 18:1 1Sa 11:11 2Sa 4:5}
1a2) the day is still high {#Ge 29:7}
1a3) cool of the day {#Ge 3:8}
1a4) from dawn until midday {#Ne 8:3}
1a5) growing lighter and lighter until the full day {#Pr 4:18}
1a6) until the declining of the day {#Jud 19:8}
1a7) the day has sunk down and become evening {#Jud 19:9}
1b) day (can also reference a 24 hour period)
1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
1b2) as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day’s journey
1c) days, lifetime (pl.)
1d) time, period (general)
1e) year
1f) temporal references
1f1) today
1f2) yesterday
1f3) tomorrow

Amy - posted on 09/18/2011

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Ladies, the death you have been speaking of is SPIRITUAL death: separation from God. In the beginning, there was no separation from God. Now we require a relationship with Jesus Christ to maintain that connection. Though I suppose a physical death is required for a spiritual death... and disease and accidents would be one way to get there.

At any rate, I believe the "thousand years is one day and one day is a thousand years" when it comes to all references to time in the Bible. I also believe that MY GOD is powerful enough to create the world in 6 literal earth days. I also believe that it's likely that he used his own version of evolution to do so.

The one thing the evolutionary "purists" are missing is how to LIFE started. You might all be interested in a movie called Expelled. It's on Netflix.

Katrina - posted on 08/31/2011

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It kind of reminds me of a joke that I heard (and LOVE)...
A group of scientists went to God and told Him "We don't need You any more, we can reproduce anything now purely by science and Your input is no longer required."
God thought about this for a bit, and then said, "Ok, if this is what you feel, how about we have a contest to make sure?"
The scientists agreed and chose their highest qualified member to go face-to-face with God. The test was to make a human being from scratch.
The scientist turned up to the match, and said "Right, let's get started straight away...no use prolonging the inevitable" and picked up a handful of dirt. God reacted immediately "Hang on! What are you doing?" The scientist said "Making a human, what do you think?" God replied "Go and get your OWN dirt!!"

Sandy - posted on 08/31/2011

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Check out Answers in Genesis with Ken Ham and the Creation Museum.

If one believes in evolution, the ask yourself, where did the two specks of dust come from? You can't reconcile evolution and creation. They are not compatible. If God had to take billions of years to make the earth, then how did Christ cause blind people to see and lame walk? If Jesus could speak and the wind stopped and people were healed and fish were multiplied, then God spoke the world into existence in 6 days.

The complexity of our world only proves God created it. Even Darwin said "If you look at the complexity of the eye and think that we evolved, you're an idiot".

Linda - posted on 08/30/2011

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Jenny, I understand the need to find answers. We will never understand everything, but there is a lot of scientific evidence backing God's creation of the universe. Start educating yourself and you will have a lot of answers for your children. Start at www.creation.com and www.icr.com. Get some of the books--they even have some great ones for children. Listen to speakers. My son had no problems with his high school biology class because he knew where the faults were in the theory of evolution and he knew where the evidence pointed--to creation! His faith was not rocked at all.

Carla - posted on 08/29/2011

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I understand what you are saying, Jenny. So many times Satan whispers in my ear 'you don't REALLY believe all this, do you?' And I have to tell him, I absolutely do. We all get those moments of 'what were you thinking?', but the bottom line is, we believe God, not because we can explain things, but because we love and trust Him. Some things we just simply won't know until we see Him face-to-face.

God bless, sweetie

Jenny - posted on 08/29/2011

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I'm looking for answers to give to my children when they start to question things. Also I want to love God with all my heart, soul and mind. I find that my heart and soul have no trouble trusting God but in these times we live in I find it hard for my mind to believe and love God as much as the rest of me does. For those reasons finding answers is important to me. I wish I could just let these things be, but I find that I come back to them again and again.

Linda - posted on 08/29/2011

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Laura, I think it does matter. Here is another quote from Dr. McCabe (since he says it so much better than I could):

“Because our world is aggressive in its promotion of the evolutionary model, this unbiblical scheme has influenced the worldview of many in the church. But if we either minimize or deny the import of the early chapters of Genesis as literal history, what is to stop us from doing the same with other passages of Scripture, such as the confusion of the languages at Babel, turning Lot’s wife into a “pillar of salt”, the many miracles performed with Israel’s Exodus from Egypt or Christ taking five loaves and two fish to feed 5000, to name just a few? Furthermore, if the Bible’s history can’t be trusted, then why trust its morality? No wonder that with some who had been part of vibrant churches, evolutionary thinking has led them astray into moral relativism.”

Merry - posted on 08/29/2011

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See I was just reading genesis and I notice how he says let the waters bring forth creatures etc, sounds like maybe he set the waters up to bring forth life. Or when it says let the earth bring forth living creatures and cattle etc maybe it means the earth was set to use it's own laws of physics by growing creatures, and even if it was a literal day he could have just seen the beginnings of these creatures and deemed it was good. But then it grew for whatever period of time.

Idk, I'm still thinking god said and poof it appeared, but I'm trying to see it from another angle if I can.

But honestly I think in heaven god will say why did you ven bother? It's a waste of time to spend so much effort on the past....

Victoria - posted on 08/28/2011

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Something else to note, is that back then people lived 100's of years, yet now the average lifespan is not as long as 100 years. God said that our life would be no longer than 120 years through Moses, then later He gave us an average of 70 years. God ordained these things.



We also have to take into account the flood of Noah's time, God opened up the Heavens and the deep and flooded the earth and many Christian Scientists agree that the flood changed many dynamics on earth such as atmosphere and even the things that can live & grow and how they do so. Yet God also promised Not to cause such as flood upon the earth again.



There are so many things we fail to take into account, yet all that doesn't matter, God said He created all things, Man in His image creating then male and female. Therefore God did, just as He said He did. How He did it is none of our business really, unless God chooses to reveal to us. Man wisdom is foolishness compared to Gods, so we will never truly understand all that He is and all that He has done & will do. We are ONLY called to have Faith & Believe.

Michele - posted on 08/27/2011

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I fall into the previously mentioned theistic evolution category. I also think that God explained creation to us in Genesis in a way that we were capable of understanding at the time, in the same way that parents explain some concepts to their children in an age-appropriate way. I believe that scientists are given the privilege of trying to understand the ways that God interacts with the physical world. I believe that God is so different than we are that there are no human words that can adequately explain Him and yet we have the capability and desire to learn what he reveals. I think He delights in revealing His ways to us, both in the physical world and the spiritual world. He is good, creative, awesome, powerful, and infinite!

Carla - posted on 08/27/2011

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@Linda, IF God loves us, it stands to reason He would create beauty for us to enjoy. Watching butterflies flit from flower-to-flower, hummingbirds darting around our heads, the beauty and bounty of our gardens, I am in awe of His creativity. God can be above and beyond what we can even imagine--our faith releases what He reveals to us. Ya gotta love God!

Linda - posted on 08/27/2011

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Carla, I LOVE your concept of the "giant Easter egg hunt" with God hiding diamonds and emeralds! It gave me a big smile today---and I do believe God took pleasure in His creation. It's so beautiful, even in its fallen state.

Carla - posted on 08/27/2011

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I personally think it takes MORE faith to believe that the entire universe came into being by a bunch of goo in a pool than to believe God created it. With the discovery of personal DNA for every creature, and knowing the DNA for every single individual is different, evolution makes less sense than Godly Creation. I love thinking about Adam and God sitting under a tree with all the animals being paraded by, and them naming them. I love thinking about our loving Father taking such time with the earth, sculpting each mountain, placing a waterfall in the forests, like a hidden treasure. I love thinking about Him hiding diamonds, gold and emeralds, like a gigantic Easter egg hunt, smiling to Himself as He thinks of the look on the finder's face. God's love and care for us is evident in every creature, every piece of Nature.

Believing in creation means that we totally believe God CAN do WHATEVER He pleases. I am glad we serve such a God.

God bless, sweeties!

Jennifer - posted on 08/26/2011

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I really like the series "species that defy evolution". I have been fascinated by animals my entire life, and studied genetics as a result. Many animals do change over time, and by studing dogs and their 'man-made' evolution, we can learn alot. I do not believe in evolution. I believe 6 days. I have no problems with my kids being taught evolution in schools, because I balance that with 'evidence' about my own beliefs. I also don't think that believing in evolution or questioning any science damns a person to hell.

I do believe that death was introduced with sin. I don't believe we were made to go to heaven. We were made to have a relationship with God, just as Adam did. The bible says the earth will be remade, and I believe we (the body of Christ) will return to it. I also believe that had sin not been introduced, we would have been searching other galaxies and living on other planets. We would have used our God given curisousity in other ways.....not fighting against illnesses and such. Anyway, that's my beliefs, I'm sticking to them, but I enjoy hearing other points of view. I'm just waiting for Jesus to answer all my questions, cause I got a bunch. And if it turns out I am right, I hope He'll let me say, "nah,nah told you so!" lol

Angela - posted on 08/24/2011

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Humankind itself has "evolved" (for want of a better word) into various civilisations, through the ages. This is more about social history though, rather than science.

Although I personally respect Evolution and happily reconcile it with Creation (I don't believe they're at variance with each other), for anyone who doesn't feel they can comfortably accept Evolution, remember it is only a theory, not a proven truth.

Darwin, as someone else pointed out, wasn't a scientist as such. He studied Theology at University. However I would dispute that he was a disillusioned theologian. Writing "The Origin of the Species" was down to his passionate interest as a naturalist. He was a Christian who later became agnostic, not because of his own Evolution theory, but rather because his beloved daughter died at the age of 10.

His remains are buried in Westminster Abbey, one of the most prominent Christian Cathedrals in England.

Linda - posted on 08/23/2011

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Laura, a little self-education can go a long way. While you may not be able, or even willing, to debate this with your husband and sister, you can do your own research (without too much trouble) to support what you know to be true. There is MUCH info out there. A quick search produced the following: http://www.icr.org/recent-creation/
This shows a few evidences for a young earth.
Here is another page of many articles which scientifically back the Genesis account: http://creation.com/articles#journal_arc...

On that page you will find articles (among others) as to the earth's magnetic field as evidence of a young earth, exploding starts pointing to a young universe, fossil evidence, and much more.

Merry - posted on 08/23/2011

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Although my husband and sister both are believers that god created evolution to bring forth the world as we know it. I don't argue them, they don't argue me, it's just they think more scientifically about things and think more abstractly about things. I couldn't tell you whatstrue, but deep down I know what I think.

Merry - posted on 08/23/2011

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I have always believed the bible literally, 6 days. But I see evidence of it being longer so I'm undecided. In a pinch if asked I'd still likely say I believe the literal 6 day creation, poof out of nowhere. But I feel like no one would take me seriously if I said that. Everyone is so hung up on facts and evidences of stuff and I find it much easier to simply believe god spoke and so it appeared.
But I don't nearly know enough about these supposed proofs of evolution to know if I could be wrong.
I don't think in the end it matters much but for what it's worth I'm intrigued by learning.
But honestly I really truly feel like God knew what we would think when he said one day and he wouldn't say one day if he didn't mean one day.

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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I understand your stance Linda, but our views differ. The reality of it is that it doesn't matter what either of us believe as long as we believe in God and have accepted Christ. I understand the fascination and the desire to acquire knowledge, but until we can agree on what was lost in translation from the original Hebrew and the non-inclusion of other books that were left our when the Roman Church put the Bible together, we will never know.

Linda - posted on 08/23/2011

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Nikki, I'm very sorry to have offended you--that wasn't my intent and that was a more general comment, not directed at you.

To answer your question, no. I do not belive there was any death or disease or accidents before Adam sinned. The Bible says that is when death entered the world, not when disease or accidents entered the world. Looking forward to heaven gives life meaning TODAY, but Adam was able to walk with God every evening--he had fellowship with God which is what we look forward to most in heaven.

Genetic mutations are a perfect example of why evolution doesn't work. These mutations are almost without exception harmful. They do not lead to a better quality of life or increased function--they lead to disformity, impaired function, and often death. No new species are being developed--but many are slowly becoming extinct. Creation becomes more disorganized as years go by (probably because of sin), not more so. No missing links have ever been found. Darwin himself assumed these links would be found within a few decades, and it's been over 100 years! The geological record points to a massive flood (Noah's flood) and all the fossils found simply corroborate that idea. There are so many problems with carbon dating that I can't even begin to address--it's only accurate for about 5000 years.

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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I wasn't taught evolution in school I went to school in the Bible belt where they said some people believe evolutionis a theory but God created everything. That was it, one class. I have been doing research since I was 14 when I read The Origin of Species.

Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.

The verse you quoted doesn't reference natural or accidental death but death through sin or death caused by sin, and that death spread to all men. IMO that means death through disease. as Disease spreads from person to person.

Just as a question, can you imagine that before Adam sinned no one and no animal fell and hit their head on a rock and died or drowned because they couldn't swim.

I think that if that was the case, life really would have had no meaning prior to sin, because death and the possibility of entering into Heaven is what gives this life meaning.

And I take the the Bible at more face value than most Christians. I am slightly offended at the insinuation that I don't.

This isn't a debate just a sharing of opinions and views.

One more question, if eveolution can't occur and changes can't occur on a molecular level How do you explain genetic mutations?

Linda - posted on 08/23/2011

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Nikki, the Bible does say that death didn't exist before Adam. See Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned"

This is only one of several references. Evolution has been shoved down the throats of the general population for so long that many people are very misinformed. There is no conflict between science and the Bible at all. In fact, most of the famous scientists throughout history have been devout Christians...thinking God's thoughts after him, as Newton put it. Even today, many elite scientists, Christian and non-Christian, do not believe in evolution. As we have learned more about the earth, space, and the molecular structure of living things, too many questions are unanswered by evolution. Darwin himself was not a scientist, but a disillusioned theologian. There is an excellent book out called "Darwin's Black Box". This was NOT written by a Christian, but by a non-Christian who explains, albeit in a very technical fashion, how evolution could NOT have occurred on a molecular level. There is so much evidence against evolution and for creation, it would be impossible to even cover all the topics on this post.

If you are still holding to what you were taught in school, I would challenge you to do some research. Find out new information not available 20 years ago. It is always a dangerous proposition to try to adapt the Bible to fit the current view of science (since it constantly changes). If you don't take the Word of God at face value, even in Genesis, you are treading dangerous ground.

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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Thanks Angela. I just felt a little weird mentioning it as we just began watching the new series.

I am of the mindset that God can do anything and it isn't always for us to understand every step of the process.

Angela - posted on 08/23/2011

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Hey Nikki
"Time is relative. I know it is probably terrible to reference a cartoon in this but the new Thundercats that was on really showed this. The cats ran into a "people" that had been stranded for generations. On examination they discovered that this species only had a lifespan of one day, but they had a lifetime of experiences and memories within that time."

Why not mention Thundercats? I mentioned the Flintstones in an earlier post on this thread! It's not terrible at all!

Jesus Himself spoke in parables. It's just a story to help understanding of a true value, concept, moral or ethic. Parables are good!!

Totally agree with you on theistic evolution as well. God was the author who led it every step of the way!

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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I have to say the second view of theistic evolution is where I fall. and the Bible doesn't say that death didn't exist before Adam, it does say that disease didn't exist. So natural and accidental deaths could have occured. But I believe that God led evolution every step of the way.

Jenny - posted on 08/23/2011

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Here's an excerpt from gotquestions.org about theistic evolution. Let me know what you think or if you've thought about it to that extent.


What is theistic evolution?


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Question: "What is theistic evolution?"

Answer: Theistic evolution is one of three major origin-of-life worldviews, the other two being atheistic evolution (also commonly known as Darwinian evolution and naturalistic evolution) and special creation.

Atheistic evolution says that there is no God and that life can and did emerge naturally from preexisting, non-living building blocks under the influence of natural laws (like gravity, etc), although the origin of those natural laws is not explained. Special creation says that God created life directly, either from nothing or from preexisting materials.

Theistic evolution says one of two things. The first option is that there is a God, but He was not directly involved in the origin of life. He may have created the building blocks, He may have created the natural laws, He may even have created these things with the eventual emergence of life in mind, but at some point early on He stepped back and let His creation take over. He let it do what it does, whatever that is, and life eventually emerged from non-living material. This view is similar to atheistic evolution in that it presumes a naturalistic origin of life.

The second alternative of theistic evolution is that God did not perform just one or two miracles to bring about the origin of life as we know it. His miracles were constant. He led life step by step down a path that took it from primeval simplicity to contemporary complexity, similar to Darwin’s evolutionary tree of life (fish begot amphibians who begot reptiles who begot birds and mammals, etc). Where life was not able to evolve naturally (how does a reptile's limb evolve into a bird's wing naturally?), God stepped in. This view is similar to special creation in that it presumes that God acted supernaturally in some way to bring about life as we know it.

There are numerous differences between the biblical special creation perspective and the theistic evolution perspective. One significant difference concerns their respective views on death. Theistic evolutionists tend to believe that the earth is billions of years old and that the geologic column containing the fossil record represents long epochs of time. Since man does not appear until late in the fossil record, theistic evolutionists believe that many creatures lived, died, and became extinct long before man’s belated arrival. This means that death existed before Adam and his sin.

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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Creation means to bring somethiing new into being or existence. We aren't given a blueprint for how God did it. But evolution as a vehicle for creation can't be counted out because we don't know that it isn't how it occured. In Genesis 1:20-22 (KJV) the text says: And God sais, Let the waters bring forth life abundantly the moving creature that hat life, and fowl that may fly above the eath in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiplt, and fill the waters of the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

This can be interpreted two ways:

1) God created fish in the seas and then created birds of the air separately.

2) if you read it ver batum, there is no "then" it says God brought forth life from the seas including fish of the seas who multiplied their own kind and birds of the air who mjultiplied their own kind.

So it is possible that God set evolution in motion and man was the culmination of that. His great accomplishment, a creature in his own image. and once that was established, he created woman (afemale of the same species) to procreate and multiply their own kind and to look after and protect the other species and to be stewards and proectors over the earth.

Jenny - posted on 08/23/2011

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How does the common ancestor fit in with how God created Adam & Eve after his own image? Did he create that common ancestor or did he create man as we know him today?

Nikki - posted on 08/23/2011

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I have to agree that God's timeline is different from ours. Time is relative. I know it is probably terrible to reference a cartoon in this but the new Thundercats that was on really showed this. The cats ran into a "people" that had been stranded for generations. On examination they discovered that this species only had a lifespan of one day, but they had a lifetime of experiences and memories within that time.

Our measurement of time is based on what we know. God is not limited to that.

Angela - posted on 08/23/2011

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Hi Katrina, thanks for raising this query:

'how people can take the days of creation as not literal? Especially as it says "then there was evening, and there was morning, the first day".'

Genesis doesn't say the "day" lasted 24 hours (our modern day). It only says a day is when it is light, the darkness was there first. A "day" to God - whether it's a long day as at the beginning of Creation or a modern day of 24 hours (Earth spinning around the Sun on its axis) is just the twinkling of an eye. Same for a lifetime or indeed any period of time!

God's logic differs from human logic. It's superior.

This is quite simple to understand.

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Jenny I think the Answers In Genesis web sight may be of help. Also the Creation Museum web site should help. My husband and I went to the Museum 2 years ago and I was so impressed with how they presented the information and DID NOT BASH the Evolutionists.


Just a reminder Moms Please Keep Posts Kind and do not turn this Conversation into a Debate.
Love in Christ to all.

Jenny - posted on 08/23/2011

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So then we are not to believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis in light of the evidence for evolution? To me that sounds a bit like we are twisting what the bible says to fit with what modern science says instead of the other way around.
I have a hard time believing that Christianity and Science can walk side by side without disproving each other. But that's just my personal journey and everyone is entitled to their current belief.

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Hi Angela,

I don't want to start a debate, but it has been a question in my mind on how people can take the days of creation as not literal? Especially as it says "then there was evening, and there was morning, the first day".

Can you answer this for me? As I said, I'm just curious as to the "other" side of the reasoning...

Thanks :)

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I’m so glad this topic’s been brought up! I do not believe that Evolution and Creation are even at variance with one another! When God had his six days of creation, a “day” didn’t mean a literal day as WE know it – i.e. 24 hours. A “day” just meant a period of time. And the very first part of creation was “Let there be light”. The periods of time where there was light were known as “days”.

The order of everything that God created is said to be the same as Evolution theorists say. What Darwin referred to as “natural selection” or “survival of the fittest” accounts for the success of certain species and the extinction of others. The whole progress of life on Earth is dependent on God’s will of course.

I don't believe humankind was developed or evolved from an ape. Most scientists don't believe that either - whatever their religious stance may be on the matter.

I don’t personally believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, but the human race as we know it may well be about 6,000 years old as this point in history was when the wheel was invented. In our own time chronology, humans were a very recent addition to this planet. Nor do I believe humans and dinosaurs existed side-by-side as the Triassic, Jurassic & Cretaceous periods were several million years ago. But the picture of humans, dinosaurs and now-extinct mammals (like the sabre-toothed tiger and the woolly mammoth) living together on this Earth is a charming one! I just love the Flintstones!!

Of course the “6,000 years as the age of the Earth” belief could actually be proportional to the length of time that a “day” was, in the six days of creation, so it’s not completely without substance.

Evolution is quite hard for many Christians (and believers in other religions) to grasp, or rather to actually embrace. But a few hundred years ago, Christian authorities strongly rebuked Christopher Columbus for saying that the Earth was round (rather than flat). He was accused of all kinds of blasphemy. Times move on!

Jenny - posted on 08/23/2011

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I appreciate your explanation. I have heard this argument and would agree with a literal interpretation if i did not believe in "macro-evolution".

However I am more interested in those Christians that believe in "macro" evolution and how they reconcile that with the Genesis account of creation.

From a correct evolutionary point of view there is no distinction between micro & macro evolution. The evolution theory is that "macro" evolution or rather adaptation of a species into a different spices is the result of micro evolution over a long time frame (millions of years) thus resulting in a different species to the original.

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I don't.

I am a "young earth" believer, and believe in the literal 6 days of Creation, 1 day of rest.

I do not believe in Macro-evolution (monkeys to man) - most of the "evidence" has been disproved, see Creation.com.
I do believe in micro-evolution but I prefer the word "adaptation" to "evolution". The majority of these adaptations actually lose dna data not gain it (which it would have to do to call it evolution). For example, there is a certain moth that has two main types...one lives in sunny areas and has adapted to be a lighter colour...the other lives in darker areas and has adapted to be a darker colour. This is it's personal camouflage but the two "different" moths are actually identical dna-wise.

It's the same for people...the "white" people are were it is colder...the "black" people are generally found were the sun is at it's strongest. This avoids permanent sunburn etc. And this split has happened since the Tower of Babel incident where people grouped together by their new language.

There are also several Bible passages that show that dinosaurs and humans lived side by side...what happened to them will remain a mystery until Jesus returns.

I hope this helps...sorry if it took too long but those are my beliefs in a nutshell.

But do check out creation.com :)

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