HPV vaccine, will you vaccinate your daughter?

April - posted on 03/23/2009 ( 102 moms have responded )

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I have heard a lot of negative things about the HPV vaccination for girls. I dont know if people think that it will encourage them to have sex, or just the general idea of a shot against an std, but I am now torn about it. I plan on talking to my pastor about this, but does anyone have an opinion on doing this? I planned on getting this for my girls when they are old enough in about 3 years, I think there will be more info on side effects, and effectiveness by then so I can decide for sure. I plan on teaching my children God's law, but also knowing that we are all sinful people, many of whom do not wait until marriage (I didnt), I would like to protect them where possible from cervical cancer. I am currently going through treatment because of pap and hpv test. I have been with my hubby for the last 10 years now, and the idea that I've been carrying this around that long with out knowing really bothers me. ( it mostly shows no symptoms unless it is high risk, the kind that can cause cervical cancer) what would you do? so with 1 out of every 4 girls/women having this NOW, what are the odds for my kids when they are grown? if they stay celibate until marriage, what are the odds that all of their spouses did too? sorry to ramble, this whole thing is stressing me out a bit. anyway, any thoughts or info on the vaccine would be appreciated!

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Jodie - posted on 03/30/2009

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I think that I will. I heard that HPV is something that does not show up in males, so even if tests come back negative, they still might have it and pass it on to a woman. That is what happened to my friend. She got HPV from her husband. (They are both Christians, but he become a Christian a little later) He had been with other women, but he was her only sexual partner. He had been tested, but they saw no warning signs. She did not find out that she had it until she was pregnant. Fortunately she does not have cervical cancer (as of yet) and her baby does not appear to be affected, but I think that that means that her baby is now a carrier, too. If the concern is regarding how long it has been around, you could always wait a few more years before making your decision.

Kristi - posted on 03/30/2009

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The video posted is from the same website that I stated earlier is very one-sided about vaccinations.  I KNOW THERE ARE RISKS TO ALL VACCINES, BUT THE RISKS ARE OUTWEIGHED BY THE BENEFITS!!!!!  I don't understand why people don't see this?  If you want to post accurate information, post all the facts, not just the negative ones.  The video made the polio vaccine out to be a bad thing!!!  In 1916, a polio epidemic killed 6,000 people and paralized 27,000.  In 1960, 5 years after immunization began,  there were 2,525 cases of polio in the US.  Today, there are none!  WHY???? BECAUSE OF THE VACCINE!!! IF WE STOP GETTING VACCINATED, POLIO WILL COME BACK.  It is not completely erradicated all over the wolrd.  Also, the video states makes it sound like you can get polio from the vaccine.  There are two kinds of vaccines, the IPV and OPV.  OPV, a live oral vaccine, in rare cases can cause polio.  IPV, a killed vaccine, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED IN THE US, cannot. 



I know the video's focus is not on polio, but I wanted to address this b/c it sets the tone of the video to make parents scared of getting their children vaccinated.  This video is completely one-sided, as is the website of NVIC, the organization which the woman speaking represents. 



Also, note the last thing said in the video was "PLEASE GIVE GENEROUSLY"...HMMM???

Mindy - posted on 03/29/2009

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I am getting this for my daughter when she is old enough, only i am sure by then there will be other vaccines. I had a radical hysterectomy because of cervical cancer. I would rather give my daughter a few shots than put her through surgery and cancer. I believe God is the only one who can tell you for sure what you should do. Pray and ask for guidance.

Keela - posted on 03/28/2009

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FYI.......I had these shots. No reactions or side effects have occured 2 years later.

Jen - posted on 03/26/2009

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Wow, you've had a lot of replies. I'll add mine on there. I am the proud parent of four children, three of which are girls. When I was pregnant with my little boy, I had an abnormal pap smear. After giving birth to him, I went back in and was tested again to find out that I had HPV. My immediate feeling was of being filthy. Would I do anyting to prevent that feeling for my girls, you are d*mn sure. They will get vaccinated when they are old enough (they still have a few years) and by then i'm sure they will have done more research. The only thing about research though, one test shows it's a good thing to do while the next says to not do it. Who do you believe? Trust your own beliefs. I don't feel that getting the shot promotes intercourse. It's for the well-being of my children. That's how I feel. Thanks for listening!

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Lucy - posted on 01/24/2013

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The main risk with this vaccine is impairment of fertility, so it all depends if you you think that your daughter would like to have her own children one day, if not then it won't be a problem.

Jennifer - posted on 03/31/2009

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I am not having to consider the vaccine yet but appreciate ALL the information and sides presented here. I do have two cents worth though with the idea of the vaccine giving girls permission to be sexualy active. Due to severe endrometriosis I have been on birth control since I was 16 years old. As a Christian I had pledged myself to wait for sex until I was married. I cried when I had to be put on birth control because I thought my friends would think I was taking it for that, birth control. The effects of the pills on my being able to function out weighed all of those ideas after a while. I remained confident in my pledge and at the same time was appreciative of how the drugs gave me physical relief and peace of mind in relation to my endometriosis. There were side effects from the birth control, side effects I am still dealing with 20 years later, but it is still worth them to be able to function daily. I think that is the way it is with a lot of drugs/vaccinations and thier effects. You have to weigh it personally, what works for you?

Lori - posted on 03/30/2009

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I've heard of girls actually dying from this vaccine. many had severe side effects. I wound't do it.

Jamie - posted on 03/29/2009

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I have a 15 year old son....15 today. He was a normally developing child. Actually, he was reaching his milestones ahead of time on many things, including crawling, walking and speech. When he was given his big round of vaccines @ his second birthday. He lost speech, eye contact, began to tantrum....you know where this is leading....AUTISM. I also now have a 7 year old daughter and 5 year old son. NO VACCINES, no autism. You should look at sites like SafeMinds, Generation Rescue, www.autismresourceconnection.com (vaccine section)...(I am a volunteer for this group...on the board), Autism Research Institute....Also, there is Schaffer publication you can get thru e-mail. There is a book, Vaccinations, What Your Doctor Won't Tell You...Get all sides of the story before making a decision. There is a LOT of research that suggests there IS a link between Autism and Vaccines. By the way, Thimeresol is not removed. There is still trace ammounts in ALL vaccines. Plus, the ammt. of aluminum in them is now under scientific scrutiny. And yes, like one other mom noted, there have been death's associated with this vaccine.

Pray, Pray, Pray for God's direction on this and don't let MAN influence your decision. The world way is not always God's as we all know.

Amy - posted on 03/29/2009

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I certainly will not have my daughter vaccinated. There is no guarantee with this vaccine so why take the chance on complications. It doesn't even cover all types of the virus. I would rather teach my daughter abstinance.

Shannon - posted on 03/29/2009

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This website has geat info on it!! Love the video and agree with it. I know lots of people and childress not vacconated and they are healthy

Kayla - posted on 03/29/2009

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I have mixed feelings about the vaccine. 1.) you daughter will choose to have sex or not with or without the vaccine 2.) even if she gets the vaccine and choses to have sex what if she gets pregnant the vaccine doesn't prevent that. My advice would just be to raise her in the way the Lord commands if she parts ways that's her choice you did everything you can do to help her. I know this from experience my parents put me on birthcontrol, taught me right from wrong and the importance of saving myself for marriage but that didn't stop me, and now I have a beautiful son, which I wish I would have waited til marriage but I wouldn't trade the world for him.

Kristi - posted on 03/28/2009

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Again, if you don't want your daughter to think the vaccine will protect her from other STD's, pregnancy, etc...then TELL HER THAT!  I don't think you are giving your daughter any credit for intelligence if you think she will believe that this vaccine gives her a right to have sex.  (I feel somewhat different about birth control on this issue, but I haven't had to cross that road yet.) 



Second, I think that it is a good practice to cite Scripture when you use the statement, "Based on God's law" or when you claim that something is a sin.  Often times 'religion' tells us one thing, while His Word tells us another.  His Word is truth and it doesn't change.  While I understand that different people may interpret a scripture differently, I still believe that reading (or posting) the scripture will allow others to see your point of view, and sometimes it will allow you to reconsider what you have heard and believe.  There have been many times when I have had a solid stance on something b/c of what I heard growing up in church, but have changed that stance when I realized that I couldn't back it up in the Bible.  I believe that we can find the answers to ALL of our questions in His Word.  (Also, when I hear scripture that would make me consider changing a stance, I consider the context of that particular chapter, time period, old or new covenant, etc and seek advice from those who are more knowledgeable in the greek/hebrew derivations of the wording b/c that has a part to play also.)  The same goes for what we hear in the media.  I have not seen any research-based evidence that has proven that anyone has died from this vaccine.  (I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, I just haven't seen it.  Nor am I saying that if I did see it that it would change my mind b/c there is evidence that cervical cancer causes death as well.) Of all the young women who have been vaccinated, only 28 (supposedly) have died.  I can see if it were 2800 or even 280, but the odds of those 28 girls having other leading causes to their deaths are extremely high.  Just as drug companies profit by promoting this drug, the media profits by promoting controversy...so keep in mind that not everything you hear is true. 



 As for other vaccines, what are the 'bad' things in them? While most have the actual disease in them, they are almost always 'killed' viruses and there is NO WAY you can get the disease from the vaccine.  You may still get the disease b/c not all vaccines give 100% protection, but if you do - you didn't get it from the vaccine. 



Vaccines are tested for years and after they have went through extensive research/experiments on animals, they are classified as an Investigational New Drug and given a license to research on humans by the FDA. (At this point it is a "new drug" and still goes through extensive research.)  The FDA is not the only agency that clears the drug. They also must receive recommendations from the CDC, AAP, & AAFP.  The licensing and the recommendations look at the risks as well as costs of the drugs to make sure the benefits outweigh the risks.  Then the state legislatures and health dept. decide whether or not the drug will become a 'requirement' (which is not an acurate name b/c there are waivers of the requirement).   Each of these agencies has many employees.  i'm sure most of them enjoy the field that they work in and have a passion for discovering preventive health care for the world.  I find it hard to believe that a drug will be licensed, recommended, and possibly mandated b/c people are being paid to do so.  And NONE of these people who love their work speak up? Unfortunately there are crooked people in the world, not everyone is crooked. 



Finally, I still would like someone who is against all immunizations explain their stance to me.Why do u feel this way? Are you aware of what would happen if everyone stopped getting vaccinated?  My stance is basically that the diseases kill - so, so what if there are side effects to the vaccine b/c your child is way more likely to die from the disease than from the vaccine.  No vaccines are 100% safe/harmless.  But neither is walking down the street, taking a bath, eating food, or riding in a car.    Please explain to me how the risks of a vaccination can outweigh the benefits.

Renee' - posted on 03/28/2009

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I was also torn with this decision. I opted not to have the vaccination for my 12 yr. old daughter and my other daughters as well. I do not want my daughter to think it is ok to have sex, thinking the shot will protect her. I want my daughter to wait until marriage, I know the chances are slim but I am encouraging it. Based on our principles

of God's laws, I am not letting my girls have the vaccination. We also have cervical issues within my family but it is a risk to take. I also want my kids to take responsibility for their actions. There are problems with this vaccination. Girls have had serious side effects and bad reactions. They did not do enough study on this vaccination. Would you risk your daughters health for a vaccine you know God doesn't want us to promote?

Julie - posted on 03/28/2009

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Well thankfully I am passed that and there's nothing I can do about what I don't know. I can only deal with the information that I have.

Shannon - posted on 03/28/2009

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So what if they change ingredients in an OLD vaccinne ....that makes it a NEW vaccine and they dont tell you when they change ingredients!!!

Julie - posted on 03/28/2009

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My now 12 yo son now has migraines and seizures that started when he was 5 and had the varicella vaccine. Most people will tell you it's not from the vaccine, but it was reported to the CDC as a reaction. It's not publicized and people aren't told about it. I will vaccinate my kids for certain things, but this vaccination has not been proven and after what I've experienced, NOT A CHANCE will I give a newer vaccination to my child. We don't know what will happen or if there will be repercussions when these girls have babies. Sometimes side effects don't show up until decades later.

Keela - posted on 03/28/2009

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Girls have died from all the vaccines given. In order to be FDA approved there must be a ratio between people who have survived and deaths from that drug/vaccine. So this vaccine is not different from all the other ones they have already recevied regarding rick factors.

Shannon - posted on 03/28/2009

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Quoting Naomi:



Quoting Shannon:

No dont do it God didnt forget this vaccine when he made your baby so perfect. And I have heard of girls dying from this.





I don't mean to be blunt but this is not true. The side effects are mild if any and Cervical cancer does kill.  It doesn't matter if your daughter has a few sexual partners or just one they can still get HPV. Having watched my husband go though cancer i wouldn't wish that on anyone.  






As for the HPV vaccination might encourage kids to be sexual active. No vaccine is going to do that, its called hormones. We can only teach our children so much. yes we can tell them sex before marrige is not what God had in mind. But they are the ones who then have to make the choice. it is better to give them all the protection that you can.






Accually it is true ......girls HAVE died from this vaccine!!!!!!!!!!

Naomi - posted on 03/28/2009

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Oh i forgot to mention. The HPV was discovered/research in Australia by the CSIRO. This is a goverment funded research organisation that doesn't get kick backs from the big drug companys. In fact it is not allowed to get money from the drug companies. which can course funding problems. ( but that's a side note.) The Dc who found this vaccine later become Australian of the year for his over 10 years of research into Cervical cancer and HPV. As a side note The Australian government believes in this Vaccine so much that it is footing the bill for the immunisation for all girls and women under the age of 26.  Normal it takes years for the government to pay for vaccines. They have only just in the past 3 years included the chicken pox vaccine in their vaccine funding.  So i would suggest before you start going off about the FDA being in the pocket of the drug companies ( which i might very well be) it was not the FDA who first approved this vaccine. This Vaccine has nothing really to do with the USA. It is wholey Australian and not a conspiracy by the FDA and drug companies. This was discovered by the CSIRO with public money.

Naomi - posted on 03/28/2009

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Oh i forgot to mention. The HPV was discovered/research in Australia by the CSIRO. This is a goverment funded research organisation that doesn't get kick backs from the big drug companys. In fact it is not allowed to get money from the drug companies. which can course funding problems. ( but that's a side note.) The Dc who found this vaccine later become Australian of the year for his over 10 years of research into Cervical cancer and HPV. As a side note The Australian government believes in this Vaccine so much that it is footing the bill for the immunisation for all girls and women under the age of 26.  Normal it takes years for the government to pay for vaccines. They have only just in the past 3 years included the chicken pox vaccine in their vaccine funding.  So i would suggest before you start going off about the FDA being in the pocket of the drug companies ( which i might very well be) it was not the FDA who first approved this vaccine. This Vaccine has nothing really to do with the USA. It is wholey Australian and not a conspiracy by the FDA and drug companies. This was discovered by the CSIRO with public money.

Naomi - posted on 03/28/2009

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Quoting Shannon:

No dont do it God didnt forget this vaccine when he made your baby so perfect. And I have heard of girls dying from this.


I don't mean to be blunt but this is not true. The side effects are mild if any and Cervical cancer does kill.  It doesn't matter if your daughter has a few sexual partners or just one they can still get HPV. Having watched my husband go though cancer i wouldn't wish that on anyone.  



As for the HPV vaccination might encourage kids to be sexual active. No vaccine is going to do that, its called hormones. We can only teach our children so much. yes we can tell them sex before marrige is not what God had in mind. But they are the ones who then have to make the choice. it is better to give them all the protection that you can.

Kristi - posted on 03/28/2009

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I agree with April and Sandy.  God has blessed us with the medical technologies of these vaccines,  i don't feel that they are against Gods laws.

Sandy - posted on 03/27/2009

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I'm planning to talk to my daughter's pediatrician about this over the summer when we have our appointment.  She's not quite the age to get the vaccine, but it's something I'm considering.  Do I want my daughter to have premarital sex?  No.  I did and it was an awful mistake with equally awful consequences.  However, as a Mom, if I can protect her from something, shouldn't I do that? 



I personally believe that medical science is a gift of God's knowledge to us in keeping us healthy and safe.  If I find that this vaccine is going to be a blessing and a protection to my child, then YES, I will allow her to be vaccinated.  I'm all for trusting the Lord, but sometimes we have to accept the gifts he's handing to us.

Sandy - posted on 03/27/2009

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I'm planning to talk to my daughter's pediatrician about this over the summer when we have our appointment.  She's not quite the age to get the vaccine, but it's something I'm considering.  Do I want my daughter to have premarital sex?  No.  I did and it was an awful mistake with equally awful consequences.  However, as a Mom, if I can protect her from something, shouldn't I do that? 



I personally believe that medical science is a gift of God's knowledge to us in keeping us healthy and safe.  If I find that this vaccine is going to be a blessing and a protection to my child, then YES, I will allow her to be vaccinated.  I'm all for trusting the Lord, but sometimes we have to accept the gifts he's handing to us.

April - posted on 03/27/2009

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I think its fair to say that all of us are doing the best we can for our kids, and having these discussions whether about simple ideas for discipline or immunizations is a great way to find out all the different ways of doing things, and to give each other advice and to lift each other up in Christ! I am glad to hear all of these ideas and info sites, even if we dont all agree with each other. thank you for being mature and kind,

I agree that God made man and woman perfect and original sin brought death and disease into the world. I also believe that modern medicine CAN BE a wonderful blessing if we weigh it with God's word and intention, and that we need to be careful that we dont put more faith in medicine than in God. but I dont think that vaccines are against God's laws.

Shannon - posted on 03/27/2009

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Quoting Julie:

No, I will not have my daughter vaccinated and they can screen you, but if you opt out of vaccinations for religious beliefs they can not make you vaccinate no matter what state you live in. What really frustrates me is the propoganda making it look like if you don't vaccinate your daughters you are not really concerned for them, etc... I love my daughter and I refuse to bow to the liberal way of thinking.



Totally agree!!!! They make you feel like you have to to it or your a bad mom it is so horable. But once you research you know your doing the right thing.

Julie - posted on 03/27/2009

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No, I will not have my daughter vaccinated and they can screen you, but if you opt out of vaccinations for religious beliefs they can not make you vaccinate no matter what state you live in. What really frustrates me is the propoganda making it look like if you don't vaccinate your daughters you are not really concerned for them, etc... I love my daughter and I refuse to bow to the liberal way of thinking.

Shannon - posted on 03/27/2009

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Quoting Kristi:



I would like to opologize for my initial statement on my post.  I do think that every person's opinions are important.  Again, I have an opinion of being for childhood vaccinations (including HPV).  That is my opinion.  I know that someone isn't going to change my mind by telling me that the vaccine can cause side effects b/c I feel that the positive outweighs the negative.  But I also know that I'm not going to change that person's mind either.  What I was so upset about was that it was the first time that I had ever read any posts on this Christian community....the other Christian communities that I have read have been very positive, uplifting, and encouraging posts, and this seemed to be more like just a debate with some very negative feelings....that is just the vibe that I got, so again, I opologize if I'm the only person that got that vibe. And I also opologize if anyone got that vibe from my letter.  I know that Satan would love nothing better than to destroy this on-line community.  But again, I was posting b/c I knew that SOME of the facts that had been said were a little skewed or incomplete and I wanted to inform those who were seeking knowledge about HPV, the facts that I knew about the vaccine b/c I worked in public health for a few years.  I am not saying that ALL the facts of those who were posting in opposition to the vaccine were incorrect.  Most of them were actually correct, but sometimes there was more to the facts, so I wanted to let those positive aspects be shown as well.  For example,  someone posted that the vaccine  doesn't protect against all strains, only 4 out of 100(which could seem like a rediculous reason to get vaccinated).  I posted that while that is completely true, 2 of those 4 strains cause 70% of all cervical cancer cases and the other 2 cause 90% of all genital warts cases.....that means that IF - EVERY young lady was vaccinated before she became sexually active, 70 & 90% of those cases would have been prevented...I look at this vaccine the same way I do any other.  The fact that it is an STD plays no bearing on my decision on whether or not it is beneficial for my child.  Because whether we like it or not,  there is a possibility that our daughters will, at some point in her life,  be sexually active with a partner that has had a partner before her.  And you would simply be protecting her from a VERY VERY COMMON disease.  The Bible says, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." (Prov. 22:6).  My pastor always says that this verse doesn't say that your child will not stray.  (He is the son of a baptist minister. He had a severe drug addiction as a teenager, and has been living free and delivered from that addiction for 20 years this year and has led a tiny Assembly of God church to grow from 50 (sun. morn. attendance) to 1000 in less than 5 yrs. But he DID stray, it was by God's grace and by the foundation that his mother and father laid for him as a child that he found his way back to Christ.)  Also, we must know that we are living in times which fulfill Scripture prophecy:






"the boy shall act proudly against the old man" (Is. 3:5)






""Knowing this also, that in the last days grievous times will be on us. For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good, traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God..." (2 Tim.3:1-4)






We cannot assume that our children are going to be perfect.  Satan is everywhere, in our schools, on the tv and radio, and he wants to destroy the lives of our children.  I believe that every one of us knows that temptations can be overwhelming at times (especially as a teenager).  It is our job to teach our children how to "resist the devil and he will flee from you" and to "not let sinners entice you".  And I pray that my children will make wise decisions when they are older, but they are going to sin, they are going to fall - they may stuggle with cheating on tests, drugs and alcohol, anger, selfishness, pride, or even sexual sins.  We must prepare them with His Word, to use it as their Sword.  And pray, pray, pray for them .... because of the field that I work in, I find myself praying for my 4 year olds teenage years sometimes :) .....  As far as vaccines are concerned, it is obviously the parents choice.  I would like to encourage you to consider what the world would be like if noone got vaccines (if you are a parent who is totally against all vaccines.)  As far as HPV is concerned, I DO NOT think that it should be made mandatory b/c one must choose to have sexual contact in order to  contract this disease (as opposed to it being airborne like other vaccine-preventable diseases.)  However, I DO think that this vaccine will bring the numbers of cervical cancer and genital warts down tremendously. for that, I am grateful, and consider it a blessing.  I believe the more that are vaccinated, the better off all of our children will be.  But most importantly, I believe that the more of our children that are hearing God's Word, learning how to pray, how to live in righteousness, how to worship and praise thier Almight y God....the better off our children and their children will be. God Bless,
Kristi






This topic is a very important one and I think that is why there are so many opinions on it. And why everyone is so passionate about there issue.  I have checked into vaccines and I dont believe in them. And It trippes me out that anyone who knows about the bad stuff in vaccines and in the pills for adhd ...that someone would still give that to children is crazy to me Just like you believe in vaccines and that probably drives you crazy when people dont give vaccines....I hope that made sence lol



Ill speek for my self about the christion thing....I am a christion and just because we love god doesnt mean we dont get upset when we here about things we can help with.....And I still believe that GOD did not forget all these vaccines when he made us so perfect!!! I believe that he would not like us to take them!!



 



Anyway I hope we all can get out point across without being disrespectfull and I am sorry if I came across like that if I have offended anyone,



 



God bless

Sheila - posted on 03/27/2009

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If you research what is in a vaccine, you would never give your child another. I work in a doctors office and have done the research. My youngest child had not received any vaccine. You have a right to refuse them. They can not keep your kids from going to school. Most people who push for the vaccines are getting kick backs from the manufactors. We do not see or hear of our grandparents and others having these. They lived to really old. People from 1950 til now have more health issues than ever. Read for yourself. All vaccines have the desease itself in them. 28 girls have died from the gardisal shot and so many others with dangerous side effects.

Kristi - posted on 03/27/2009

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I would like to opologize for my initial statement on my post.  I do think that every person's opinions are important.  Again, I have an opinion of being for childhood vaccinations (including HPV).  That is my opinion.  I know that someone isn't going to change my mind by telling me that the vaccine can cause side effects b/c I feel that the positive outweighs the negative.  But I also know that I'm not going to change that person's mind either.  What I was so upset about was that it was the first time that I had ever read any posts on this Christian community....the other Christian communities that I have read have been very positive, uplifting, and encouraging posts, and this seemed to be more like just a debate with some very negative feelings....that is just the vibe that I got, so again, I opologize if I'm the only person that got that vibe. And I also opologize if anyone got that vibe from my letter.  I know that Satan would love nothing better than to destroy this on-line community.  But again, I was posting b/c I knew that SOME of the facts that had been said were a little skewed or incomplete and I wanted to inform those who were seeking knowledge about HPV, the facts that I knew about the vaccine b/c I worked in public health for a few years.  I am not saying that ALL the facts of those who were posting in opposition to the vaccine were incorrect.  Most of them were actually correct, but sometimes there was more to the facts, so I wanted to let those positive aspects be shown as well.  For example,  someone posted that the vaccine  doesn't protect against all strains, only 4 out of 100(which could seem like a rediculous reason to get vaccinated).  I posted that while that is completely true, 2 of those 4 strains cause 70% of all cervical cancer cases and the other 2 cause 90% of all genital warts cases.....that means that IF - EVERY young lady was vaccinated before she became sexually active, 70 & 90% of those cases would have been prevented...I look at this vaccine the same way I do any other.  The fact that it is an STD plays no bearing on my decision on whether or not it is beneficial for my child.  Because whether we like it or not,  there is a possibility that our daughters will, at some point in her life,  be sexually active with a partner that has had a partner before her.  And you would simply be protecting her from a VERY VERY COMMON disease.  The Bible says, "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it." (Prov. 22:6).  My pastor always says that this verse doesn't say that your child will not stray.  (He is the son of a baptist minister. He had a severe drug addiction as a teenager, and has been living free and delivered from that addiction for 20 years this year and has led a tiny Assembly of God church to grow from 50 (sun. morn. attendance) to 1000 in less than 5 yrs. But he DID stray, it was by God's grace and by the foundation that his mother and father laid for him as a child that he found his way back to Christ.)  Also, we must know that we are living in times which fulfill Scripture prophecy:



"the boy shall act proudly against the old man" (Is. 3:5)



""Knowing this also, that in the last days grievous times will be on us. For men will be self-lovers, money-lovers, boasters, proud, blasphemers, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, unyielding, false accusers, without self-control, savage, despisers of good, traitors, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God..." (2 Tim.3:1-4)



We cannot assume that our children are going to be perfect.  Satan is everywhere, in our schools, on the tv and radio, and he wants to destroy the lives of our children.  I believe that every one of us knows that temptations can be overwhelming at times (especially as a teenager).  It is our job to teach our children how to "resist the devil and he will flee from you" and to "not let sinners entice you".  And I pray that my children will make wise decisions when they are older, but they are going to sin, they are going to fall - they may stuggle with cheating on tests, drugs and alcohol, anger, selfishness, pride, or even sexual sins.  We must prepare them with His Word, to use it as their Sword.  And pray, pray, pray for them .... because of the field that I work in, I find myself praying for my 4 year olds teenage years sometimes :) .....  As far as vaccines are concerned, it is obviously the parents choice.  I would like to encourage you to consider what the world would be like if noone got vaccines (if you are a parent who is totally against all vaccines.)  As far as HPV is concerned, I DO NOT think that it should be made mandatory b/c one must choose to have sexual contact in order to  contract this disease (as opposed to it being airborne like other vaccine-preventable diseases.)  However, I DO think that this vaccine will bring the numbers of cervical cancer and genital warts down tremendously. for that, I am grateful, and consider it a blessing.  I believe the more that are vaccinated, the better off all of our children will be.  But most importantly, I believe that the more of our children that are hearing God's Word, learning how to pray, how to live in righteousness, how to worship and praise thier Almight y God....the better off our children and their children will be. God Bless,
Kristi

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I would advise you to call your local Pregnancy Center.  I don't know where you are at, but here in Tucson where I am at they are called The Women's Pregnancy Center or Crisis Pregnancy Center.  wpctucson.com  When I volunteered there, they had a lot of great info on this vaccine that cleared up a lot of the questions I had about it.  #1 being that it doesn't prevent against any of the most common forms of HPV - so it doesn't do as much good as you would think.  you can try calling them or looking up a Christian based pregnancy center in your area.

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thanks so much kristi and chantel for the info on both sides of the vaccine, I really appreciate being able to read it right away, and thanks shannon, I will check out the website. I dont know much about the adhd drugs, we have been fortunate not to have to make that decision for our kids as of yet, I know that there are alternatives to the medicines such as a specific diet and behavior modifications, but it depends on what works best for the child, of course. and I'm sure most parents will definitely pay attention to what ingredients and side affects are in all medicines before giving them to our kids, if we had not been already. there seem to be alot of us out there with different information on the hpv vaccine, I am still not sure what the way to go is, but I definitely agree that children are going to listen to what we advise, even when they dont seem to, we as parents still have the biggest impact on their decisions-and it s good to know that there are so many out here that strive to make sure that reflects God's word and laws. I will definitely be following the examples of dating being for finding a spouse, because that is absolutely true, and chantel, I think what you are doing with your childrens dating is wonderful, and gives them the experience of getting to know the opposite sex in a non pressured way. thanks so much to all of you for great ideas, and lets keep on keeping it friendly and respectful, reguardless of our opinions.

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That is not what this web site says.......http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm ....adderall is a adhd med......http://www.vyvansesideeffects.com/ ....vyvanse is a adhd medication too an they have amphedamines in them and there are more adhd meds that have them in there so I dont know about you but I would not put amphedamines in my childs mouth



http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/aug2003/nida-...



http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/aug2003/nida-...

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As a nursing student, the information that we are getting on the HPV vaccine indicates that it only offers immunity to a limited number of HPV strains, and as with vaccines and virus/bacteria mutations...it is possible that the vaccine will diminish in potency as the virus strains mutate, offering limited or reduced protection, although vaccinated women may feel "protected".  I think I read that only 6 of approx 20 known strains of HPV contribute to cancer.  (I'd have to double check my stats).  The vaccine only works to protect BEFORE coming in contact with the virus, and given that over 50% (I've heard as high as 60%) of adults carry HPV, there is increasing possibility that even one sexual encounter can infect.  Once contracted the vaccine is ineffective.  This is why the suggested vaccination age is 12 - 16 because sexual activity is expected within this age range.



There are physical risks and side effects.



Once contracted, the virus mutates cells in the cervix, causing dysplasia and possibly cancer.  Not all women get cancer from HPV; there is a genetic predisposition which is one of the places research is going (genetic markers). 



Knowing all of this, we choose not to vaccinate our girls for HPV.  Our standards are extremely helpful, as our children do not date at all until 16, and can only group date until 18.  No boyfriends or girlfriends until that time.  We have educated them about their bodies and how they work and reinforce that dating is not a casual experience but a spouse search, so there is no reason to date someone you wouldn't marry *grin*.  They are to avoid sexual contact before marriage, which includes situation that may lead to sexual contact while dating.  We talk about this often, get their input, reinforce standards and educate them on the risks of intimacy, as well as the benefits once married.



In the end, it is their decision...but they make it with as much information as we can possibly get them.



There is no guarantee with the vaccine!  The only guarantee is chastity for both partners until marriage.

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And SHANNON, I did look up the information about ADHD drugs and amphedamines and found the same information Kristi did. Not to sound mean, but you might want to look at the information again because you might be a little confused on the wording of the drug information. I don't mean to sound rude, but Kristi is right.

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THANK YOU KRISTI for posting accurate FACTS, not OPINIONS on this issue. I appreciate it!! :)

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Quoting Kristi:



I have just recently joined this group and honestly am shocked at some of the responses on here - how they are myths, opinions, or rumors, or incorrect information - not biblical whatsoever or even factual whatsoever.  A license to have sex???  Doctors giving kids cocaine??? How could you say that we would not NEED this vaccine if everyone would have their regular pap smears???  Do you realize that HPV is SO COMMON  that most doctors tell young girls that it is NORMAL when they are diagnosed with it.  Yes, pap smears can catch cervical cancerous cells, but I'd rather prevent them before they ever form!    I worked in public health for a few years, and a major part of my job was to conduct home visits of parents with teenagers.  I got HPV questions most often, so I did my research so I could give acurate answers to parents and young girls. 






I also now work for a community anti-drug coalition, and would like to note that amphetemines are not the same as cocaine, not even in the same drug category.  They would be in the same category as crystal meth. But that still doesn't mean that they are as dangerous as crystal meth, which is made on the streets using mulitple poisonous chemicals in addition to the amphetemines.  ANY prescription drug can be dangerous if not taken properly.  While I do agree that there are many doctors who write prescriptions too easily,which plays a huge rising problem in prescription drug abuse,  I lean more towards narcotic pain medication when I say that, not ADHD meds for children.  However, ADHD meds are being abused by teenagers and college students nation-wide, they just aren't as readily available on the streets b/c doctors do not prescribe them near as often as painkillers.  (Do you think that those meds should ever be prescribed or just not as often?)   I would hope that parents research ANY medications before giving them to their children, regardless of what doctors say.






About HPV (and vaccines in general) and the comments surrounding death: 






 Benjamin Franklin, who once strongly opposed vaccination b/c it was '"TOO NEW" and "NOT TESTED ENOUGH" became an advocate after his 4 yr.old son died w/smallpox.  He once stated, "I long regretted bitterly, and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen." .........Vaccination is the safer route.  I don't know why any parent would choose to NOT vaccinate their child unless it was medically necessary, like w/allergies to the vaccine components.  Every child needs to be vaccinated, especially to protect those children who cannot be.  There are always risks of vaccinations, very RARE side effects such as allergic reactions.  Your child is much more likely to die from an unknown food allergy or insect sting than from a vaccine.  You wouldn't keep your child from eating or going outside, would you???  And the ironic part is, you don't want your child to get vaccines, but you depend on ALL the other children getting them so the diseases do not spread into an epidemic.  If everyone chose to not vaccinate their children, we would have millions of deaths each year due to preventable diseases.  Thank God for immunizations and preventive health care!






Further, for those concerned with giving their child a 'free ticket' to have pre-marital sex.  This is absolutely not the case. First of all, the HPV vaccine does not protect against any other STD nor does it protect you from an unwanted pregnancy.  I think it would be absurd to think that our daughters would think that b/c they got a shot preventing them from cervical cancer, that they could go and have unprotected sex.  If you are teaching them the values of pre-marital abstinence, that's all the more reason to trust that they would be smart about their decisions.  Give your daughters a little credit here!  If they do choose to have sex, it's not going to be b/c they got a vaccine!  ....  Second, the HPV Vaccine is MORE EFFECTIVE if given BEFORE your daughter is ever sexually active (with skin-to-skin contact)....that could be when she's 13, or it could be when she's 35, who knows? But it is best to give your daughter the vaccine at the recommended age of 12.  ...... What if your daughter does remain a virgin until her wedding night, but her husband didn't? I think it is wonderful for kids to wait, but what are the odds of both of them waiting?  I know this...If my mother wouldn't have had me vaccinated (if it were available) and I was a virgin, but my future husband was not.  (Remember, we couldn't tell if he had HPV unless he had visible warts.) Then I would go myself and have the vaccination before I ever agreed to have sex with him.  In my opinion, if you DON'T have your daughter vaccinated, you are increasing her odds of  getting HPV some day. Because someday, she WILL have unprotected sex with her husband, and odds are, he could very well be carrying one of the 4 strands of HPV.






I, obviously, am pro-vaccine. While you may believe that the CDC gives innacurate information.  It is unfare to tell mom's on here that the www.nvic.org gives completely accurate information either (youtube videos and all).  While this site states (once) that they neither promote nor advocate against vaccinations, the rest of its content is clearly anti-vaccination.  It only focusses on the dangers, risks & negative aspects of vaccines, no facts like ... in the first 20 years of the measles vaccine, it prevent an estimated 52 million cases and over 5000 deaths in the US. In 2000 measles were considered to be eliminated in the US, but in 2005, 66 cases were reported....over half were linked to ONE UNVACCINATED INDIVIDUAL who acquired measles on a trip to Romania.






A few facts about HPV: 100 different strains can cause genital and non-genital warts, 32 in genital area, of those 32 there are high- and low- risk, the 13 or so high risk strains can cause cervical cancer , vaccine prevents only 4 of these 32 strains. However, 2 of the preventable strains (strains 16 & 18) cause 70% of ALL Cervical Cancer cases, and the other 2 (strains 6 & 11) cause 90% of ALL Genital warts cases...






HPV is extremely common; condoms provide some, but imperfect protection; there is NO test that can guarantee that anyone (particularly men) are NOT infected w/HPV; men can only be diagnosed if warts are present






REGULAR PAP SMEARS SHOULD STILL BE CONDUCTED b/c the vaccine does not prevent all strains or other STD's. 






Even though this was only approved by the FDA in 2006, keep in mind that YEARS of research must take place before this can happen






***ALL THAT SAID, I WILL HIGHLY ENCOURAGE MY STEP-DAUGHTER'S MOTHER TO HAVE HER VACCINATED AT AGE 12 IN 2 YEARS, as well as have the meningococcal vaccine, but that's for a different thread.





Ok so your OPINION is the only one your are right and no one else knows what they are talking about.



 



For your information I have researched all the info I post so maybe you should check it out befor you judge anyone elses info.

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sorry for my novel :)  most importantly, pray for you child's health, safety, protection, wisdom, and knowledge...The Lord is Faithful!

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I have just recently joined this group and honestly am shocked at some of the responses on here - how they are myths, opinions, or rumors, or incorrect information - not biblical whatsoever or even factual whatsoever.  A license to have sex???  Doctors giving kids cocaine??? How could you say that we would not NEED this vaccine if everyone would have their regular pap smears???  Do you realize that HPV is SO COMMON  that most doctors tell young girls that it is NORMAL when they are diagnosed with it.  Yes, pap smears can catch cervical cancerous cells, but I'd rather prevent them before they ever form!    I worked in public health for a few years, and a major part of my job was to conduct home visits of parents with teenagers.  I got HPV questions most often, so I did my research so I could give acurate answers to parents and young girls. 



I also now work for a community anti-drug coalition, and would like to note that amphetemines are not the same as cocaine, not even in the same drug category.  They would be in the same category as crystal meth. But that still doesn't mean that they are as dangerous as crystal meth, which is made on the streets using mulitple poisonous chemicals in addition to the amphetemines.  ANY prescription drug can be dangerous if not taken properly.  While I do agree that there are many doctors who write prescriptions too easily,which plays a huge rising problem in prescription drug abuse,  I lean more towards narcotic pain medication when I say that, not ADHD meds for children.  However, ADHD meds are being abused by teenagers and college students nation-wide, they just aren't as readily available on the streets b/c doctors do not prescribe them near as often as painkillers.  (Do you think that those meds should ever be prescribed or just not as often?)   I would hope that parents research ANY medications before giving them to their children, regardless of what doctors say.



About HPV (and vaccines in general) and the comments surrounding death: 



 Benjamin Franklin, who once strongly opposed vaccination b/c it was '"TOO NEW" and "NOT TESTED ENOUGH" became an advocate after his 4 yr.old son died w/smallpox.  He once stated, "I long regretted bitterly, and still regret that I had not given it to him by inoculation. This I mention for the sake of parents who omit that operation, on the supposition that they should never forgive themselves if a child died under it; my example showing that the regret may be the same either way, and that, therefore, the safer should be chosen." .........Vaccination is the safer route.  I don't know why any parent would choose to NOT vaccinate their child unless it was medically necessary, like w/allergies to the vaccine components.  Every child needs to be vaccinated, especially to protect those children who cannot be.  There are always risks of vaccinations, very RARE side effects such as allergic reactions.  Your child is much more likely to die from an unknown food allergy or insect sting than from a vaccine.  You wouldn't keep your child from eating or going outside, would you???  And the ironic part is, you don't want your child to get vaccines, but you depend on ALL the other children getting them so the diseases do not spread into an epidemic.  If everyone chose to not vaccinate their children, we would have millions of deaths each year due to preventable diseases.  Thank God for immunizations and preventive health care!



Further, for those concerned with giving their child a 'free ticket' to have pre-marital sex.  This is absolutely not the case. First of all, the HPV vaccine does not protect against any other STD nor does it protect you from an unwanted pregnancy.  I think it would be absurd to think that our daughters would think that b/c they got a shot preventing them from cervical cancer, that they could go and have unprotected sex.  If you are teaching them the values of pre-marital abstinence, that's all the more reason to trust that they would be smart about their decisions.  Give your daughters a little credit here!  If they do choose to have sex, it's not going to be b/c they got a vaccine!  ....  Second, the HPV Vaccine is MORE EFFECTIVE if given BEFORE your daughter is ever sexually active (with skin-to-skin contact)....that could be when she's 13, or it could be when she's 35, who knows? But it is best to give your daughter the vaccine at the recommended age of 12.  ...... What if your daughter does remain a virgin until her wedding night, but her husband didn't? I think it is wonderful for kids to wait, but what are the odds of both of them waiting?  I know this...If my mother wouldn't have had me vaccinated (if it were available) and I was a virgin, but my future husband was not.  (Remember, we couldn't tell if he had HPV unless he had visible warts.) Then I would go myself and have the vaccination before I ever agreed to have sex with him.  In my opinion, if you DON'T have your daughter vaccinated, you are increasing her odds of  getting HPV some day. Because someday, she WILL have unprotected sex with her husband, and odds are, he could very well be carrying one of the 4 strands of HPV.



I, obviously, am pro-vaccine. While you may believe that the CDC gives innacurate information.  It is unfare to tell mom's on here that the www.nvic.org gives completely accurate information either (youtube videos and all).  While this site states (once) that they neither promote nor advocate against vaccinations, the rest of its content is clearly anti-vaccination.  It only focusses on the dangers, risks & negative aspects of vaccines, no facts like ... in the first 20 years of the measles vaccine, it prevent an estimated 52 million cases and over 5000 deaths in the US. In 2000 measles were considered to be eliminated in the US, but in 2005, 66 cases were reported....over half were linked to ONE UNVACCINATED INDIVIDUAL who acquired measles on a trip to Romania.



A few facts about HPV: 100 different strains can cause genital and non-genital warts, 32 in genital area, of those 32 there are high- and low- risk, the 13 or so high risk strains can cause cervical cancer , vaccine prevents only 4 of these 32 strains. However, 2 of the preventable strains (strains 16 & 18) cause 70% of ALL Cervical Cancer cases, and the other 2 (strains 6 & 11) cause 90% of ALL Genital warts cases...



HPV is extremely common; condoms provide some, but imperfect protection; there is NO test that can guarantee that anyone (particularly men) are NOT infected w/HPV; men can only be diagnosed if warts are present



REGULAR PAP SMEARS SHOULD STILL BE CONDUCTED b/c the vaccine does not prevent all strains or other STD's. 



Even though this was only approved by the FDA in 2006, keep in mind that YEARS of research must take place before this can happen



***ALL THAT SAID, I WILL HIGHLY ENCOURAGE MY STEP-DAUGHTER'S MOTHER TO HAVE HER VACCINATED AT AGE 12 IN 2 YEARS, as well as have the meningococcal vaccine, but that's for a different thread.

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Julie, thanks for your comment-I agree with you completely! I know most vaccines have some amount of risk, and I agree that the government isn't necessarily out to get us, but does jump the gun often in terms of fda approvals. I still am not sure if my girls will get the shot, I have hpv, high risk, that I have probably had for over 10 years now without knowing. That was likely due to my own sexual behaviour before I met my husband, we might never know. I am having a cone biopsy tomorrow to try to remove moderate to severe cells- and they have mentioned a simple hysterectomy (where they remove uterus and cervix and glands, and leave ovaries) I know that this is my own consequence of my actions many years ago, but I pray that this procedure works and that my children can have their mom for years to come despite that. I also hope that my kids never have to go through this, but like you said, although our kids may remain celibate until marriage (I pray that they do) they will ALL (5) have to choose spouses that do the same. I am weighing the risks and benefits like we all as moms due for any vaccination and with any treatment. I doubt any moms get their children ritalin because they WANT to put them on a drug, I dont want to be on anti anxiety meds either, but the benefits out weigh the risks in that instance. Shannon--thank you so much for the website-I will definitely look at that!

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I am praying for a girl named Gabi Swank who lives here in Wichita,Kansas.Google her and read about her story.Its very sad.My daughter had the shot and is fine.If i had to do it over i don't think i would.

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The reason sex is being brought up is daaa the shot is to prevent an STD......SEXUALLY transmitted disease.........Its in the title........Giving your kid the vaccine is like just handing then a condom and saying here just incase!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Yes, HPV is sexually transmitted.  But I disagree that allowing our daughters to receive the vaccinations is like handing them a condom. 



Is getting a tetanus vaccine the same as handing your child a pair on sturdy construction boots just in case they get the urge to run barefoot over a field of rusty tacks?



It's not likely that anyone would succumb to the urge to run barefoot over a field of rusty tacks, and most people today live in areas where their exposure to tetanus is limited, but it IS a risk that many people vaccinate their children against. 



You can prevent both HPV and tetanus through behavior, theoretically, but you can only control your own behavior.  You have no control over the behavior of others. 



Being exposed to HPV is more common today than 50 years ago.



I've read posts from ladies who have been raped. 



I have a friend who was lucky to have her pre-cancerous cervical cells caught, but may need a hysterectomy due to the high level of the pre cancerous cells- caused by HPV she got through MARITAL sex.  She was a virgin when she married.



In this day and age, taking precautions seems to be a wise choice. 



My daughter was and is a virgin.  I hope and pray she will remain so until her marriage.



But the odds are that her husband may not be.  Hence the decision, made jointly with my daughter, to get vaccinated. 



There are risks with any vaccine.  There is risk in taking the vaccine, and there is risk in not getting the vaccine.  I agree though, that nobody desires to risk their daughter's life.



One must weigh the risks and prayerfully decide for one's self. 



Our experience was eye-opening, and I've learned that trusting the press & media info. regarding your health is a risky proposition...



But I was in no way condoning premarital sex by getting my daughter vaccinated, and she knows that...



For the record, I am not suggesting that Gardasil is safe for everyone, or safe at all.



I think our government puts the cart before the horse, and there is a tendency to jump on the bandwagon because idealistically we all want to try to make this world a safer place for our kids, and we hope that a vaccine can help us do that. 

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i have a hard time finding reliable resources to state whether it is safe or not- I dont trust the fda in their approvals, because they dont test things for long enough in my opinion, but most of the articles I've seen on adverse reactions are from news reels, who I dont really believe either, their purpose is to get ratings, or to scare people into panic so they will do x y or z. anyone know of a RELIABLE source that is independent of either of these groups I could research????

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THEY DONT PUT KIDS ON COCAINE! she was saying that it is LIKE putting kids on cocaine, meaning putting them on an addictive drug that is no good for them. THEY DONT PUT THEM ON COCAINE! ITS A FIGURE OF SPEECH>






Accually that IS what I ment amphetamines are like cocainne......look it up they are adictive and distroy your childrens brains

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I don't believe in sex before marriage, but as we are seeing, that is not an affective way of "preventing" sex before marriage. SO many kids are having sex, getting an std, or getting pregnant, or even worse, loosing a part of themselves that is meant for the person God has designed for them. We need to find a more realistic approach to this issue than to just say "you cant have sex, you need to wait, because GOd says."  Its true, but its not working with our kids today. I didn't have sex in high school because SO many of my friends ended up getting pregnant in high school. I was and am a very strong Christian during high school and now as well, but that wasn't why I felt like I needed to wait. The fear of getting pregnant like my friends was more of a motivator than because God says so. Im just saying, we need to find a more realistic and practical approach to this issue. We are only human, and we Christians make mistakes, and many times for many strong Christians this is the mistake that they end up making. How can we as parents make this more practical and realistic?

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THEY DONT PUT KIDS ON COCAINE! she was saying that it is LIKE putting kids on cocaine, meaning putting them on an addictive drug that is no good for them. THEY DONT PUT THEM ON COCAINE! ITS A FIGURE OF SPEECH>

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Quoting Ashley:

I will definitely get my daughter vaccinated. If there is even the smallest possibility I can prevent her getting cervical cancer I will do it, but not until she is older.






So your willing to risk her life so she will not get hpv?? Girls have died from getting this shot



 






I got it and I'm fine. Plus, like I said-- we'd wait until she was a little older. That way they can impove upon it and she and I can have the sex talk around the same time.





 





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Good luck keeping your girls celibant. I was raised in church and taught gods law,but I did it anyways. Do what you feel is right for your children, I dont believe protecting them is granting permission to have sex. If you raise your children the right way and teach them your values regardless of giving them a shot (which they dont need to know what it is for,they get lots of shots do they know what everyone is exactly for) there behavior will reflect your parenting. Where you a virgin when you got married and how about all of your friends? i think its ideal to wait... I believe very few acutally do.

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