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i dont understand how someone can say they are both christian and pro choice. i'm not trying to start a war, i just want someone to explain it to me. ..i'm very willing to listen to logic, but keep in mind that does not mean i am going to waver on my views...i just want to understand this, because i cant seem to wrap my brain around it...anyone?????

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Darcel - posted on 03/08/2010

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I think that the counseling begins long before the pregnancy happends not once a young woman is pregnant and considering abortion. In my minds perfect eye every young girl would know from birth that her family, friends, church etc will support her and love her no matter what situation she puts herself in. That no matter how rough times are or how "wrong and sinful" her actions where, she can go to her family and be supported and loved; not rejected and reticuled.

It is my firm belief, that if every young woman had this kind of support system in her life, abortions could be legal and 100% free and very very few would consider the choice.

Sadly reality does not meet my dream expectations. In the real world, young women get molested by step brothers and step fathers, boyfriends provide money to "get rid of the problem" ( I HATE THAT BY THE WAY,) good friends convience the woman that an abortion is a good thing, parents kick their daughters out of the house, churches disfellowship/ex-communicate pregnant girls, some christian/catholic schools require the pregnant girl drop out , some jobs have morality clauses and the woman will lose her job for being an unwed mother, and the list goes on and on.

I am not saying abortion is a right choice, but in order for everyone agree with 100% pro - life views American society must also make it 100% shameful for us to treat pregnant women so badly. Again - if every woman had love and a support system, abortion could be legal and 100% free, and the clinics would stay empty.

Cindy - posted on 03/08/2010

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I totally agree that women need to be councelled before an abortion happens,. I think that they need to see the reality of abortion, giving bith, adoption, keeping the baby, etv. I have councelled people (for 1 my SIL) who have had an abortion and heped work thim throught the trama of their actions. Helped them forgive themselves, let them know that God still loves them, etc. There are hardships that need to be dealt with on both sides and none are easy. I deal with my rape every day and is will be 20 years on May 15. You never forget, you just learn to move on. I don't think about it everyday but as May 15 moves closer, I get more and more stressed and I know that is what it is and these women go through the same thing. They need to have unbiased information given to them so they can make the decision but to know that they have support after the decision is made, whatever it may be and that GOD loves them.

Sheri - posted on 03/08/2010

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hmmm, so I am pro-life, and as such, I would help & mentor a female who came to me and is pregnant, her parents/husband or whomever has kicked her out of the house and left them with nothing. They have no insurance, no family and no where to go...

My questions is this: What do people who are pro-choice do to help those whom have "chosen" abortion, only to dramatically face emotional trauma from it (sometimes right away, sometimes in a silent pain for years, for some it "hits" years later). There is a high cost and painful price to pay for something that was thought to be the quick or right fix for that person. Sin IS sin, and one can be forgiven, but try to mentor one whom can't forgive themselves. I think more thoughtful counseling BEFORE such a choice as abortion is chosen is extremely necessary. The body heals quickly, but the tear in the heart seems to scar deeply. imho....

~Sheri

Cindy - posted on 03/07/2010

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I believe the issue is deeper than being pro-life/pro-choice. There are so many facets in the issue. I am a very strong Christian and I am pretty much on the fence with this issue. I do not believe that an abortion is the answer for a women who ends up getting pregnant whether she is raped, single or married. Unless you have lived in the shoes of someone who has been raped (I Have) you have no idea the thoughts that go through your mind much less if you end up pregnant for your rape ( I Did). I have an amazing husband who supported me (us) and I did have the baby (a boy) who is the light of my life, along with his 2 sisters and 1 brother. It put our marriage very much to the test and Praise the Lord, we have come out still together but it came really close to ending. So I empathize with women who have been and will be in those shoes. It is VERY HARD ROAD TO WALK, That being said, many women.

You say you are pro-life and that is awesome. My question is that when a female comes to you and is pregnant, her parents/husband or whomever has kicked her out of the house and left them with nothing. They have no insurance, no family and no where to go. What do you tell her/what do you do for her? The problem is bigger than just being pro-life/pro-choice. It is easy to say "I am pro-life'" but then what?

Please don't think that I am saying that is what you do/say but I have heard it said. "I am pro-life and abortion is wrong/it is murder.' And then they turn there back on the female who ends up pregnant. In my mind that is a double standard.

Sin is sin is sin is sin. Judgement of another is a sin, murder is a sin, cursing is a sin, lust is a sin, etc. Instead of judging we need as a society to stand up and support these women.

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I have to say Cindy wow, God has really given you a lot of grace and courage. I know many people use rape in the choice argument, which only accounts for less then 1% of abortions, where about 93% are forms of birth control. That being said any of those women should be supported and prayed for. I have noticed a detachment from the choicer's, and i have heard it before we are not for abortion we are for a womens right to choose. Well what are they choosing? They are choosing to kill there child. That child genetically is no different from you or me now. Its just growth and development. No child is a mistake just conceived in a inconvenient circumstance. Why hurt one of Gods children. Why feed the demon of abortion and make him stronger? I once heard abortions clinics compared to a evil church you have your building, the clinic, a doctor if you can call them that would be the paster, then you have your alter and a human killing. Thats not of God. So if you havent figured it out i am probaby.

Amy - posted on 03/08/2010

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My experience in general has been that people who say that they are "Pro-Life" believe that people who say that they are "Pro-Choice" are pro-abortion. Perhaps some are, but I've never met a "Pro-Choicer" who was pro-abortion. Abortion is absolutely haneous, and I would never encourage any woman to have one. In fact I would do everything I could to encourage her to carry her baby to term wether she decided to keep the baby herself or allow her child to be adopted. That being said, it's not my choice to make for anyone but myself. God gives us free will. We get to make the choices, and we get to reap the rewards or suffer the consequences. He is the one that we have to answer to. Most women who are considering having an abortion are not thinking to themselves, "Uh-oh! I'm pregnant. I think I'll go and have a abortion today." Women who find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy are struggling in ways that some of us will hopefully never know, shame, guilt, fear, etc. Yes, they probably should have thought about that before hand. But here we are.

I am a Christian. I have a wonderful walk with God including my flaws, my faults and my all, my poor choices and my good choices. I believe His word. I believe His grace. I believe He died for me. I believe that abortion is a sin. I do not condone abortion. I do not believe that being pro-choice means being pro-abortion. I believe that if a woman is considering abortion that she receives godly counsel. The choice is ultimately hers to make.

I like to call myself a pro-choicer for LIFE!

Lindella - posted on 03/08/2010

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I once was pro- choice until after I was educated about abortion and what it really is. Abortion meaning: Induced termination of pregnancy before the fetus is capable of survival as an INDIVIDUAL. Individual meaning: Of or relating to a single HUMAN BEING. Now, not just because I am a Christian but have been educated on abortion I am pro-life and stand firm on that. Some one asked me a long time ago "What do HUMANS look like when they are a day old"? I pictured a new born in my mind. But really thinking about it, HUMANS look like a "bunch of cells". Once the sperm hits the egg life begins. After 24hrs of conception that is what we humans look like at a day old. When I was pregnant I correct people when they said to me "when the baby gets here". I told them "The baby is already here you just can't touch him or see him yet." Some people believe once fingers, toes eyes and ears are developed then he or she is considered to be a baby. But in reality we HUMANS start off looking like a "bunch of cells" A HUMAN LIFE is what I call it. Just because the child in the womb doesn't look like me or his or her father YET doesn't mean he or she is any less of a person. Just because the child can not breath on his or her owen doesn't mean he or she is less of a HUMANBEING. When a woman becomes pregnant her body is not just hers anymore. She is now sharing her body with her child who is relying on her to nurture and protect his or her maturity into individual life. One reason why some say to a woman "you are eating for TWO." Her body is not just hers.

People who are unfit alcohol and drug addicts, or immature people shouldn't be having sex to avoid having a child they can not care for.

I would say to a raped victom if she ask for my true opinion on abortion? I would say please don't abort the child. The child did nothing wrong. A child is a blessing from God a true beautiful gift.

Stephanie - posted on 03/08/2010

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Cindy ; Your post made me tear up.
I hate how women often get pushed out of their homes as if their homes we never thier's tobegin with. I my self have been raped and as You said befor i do get stressed when the spring and erly summer comes around..
about the question You brought up. what would i do if there was a young(or old) woman who i met with out a place to go becouse she was thrown out becouse she got pregnant; or jsut never had a place to stay. i sure hope i would be strong enuf to let her stay with me. at the lest till she could take care of her self..

Stephanie - posted on 03/08/2010

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Darcel ; I havent been able to split the two veiw points apart. tho i disagree that its becouse im already "pro-life"
I hate how ppl treat unwed mothers. mother hood is more then just having kids it is how we raise them and teach them that make us good mothers(or panrets in gen) a mother who is unloveing and or abusive to their children should be the ones told to leave the church or told to drop out of a chatholic school.(tho every group/organision has there right here in amaerica) idealy mother hood wouldn't be such a 'drage. ..=(

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I'm not reading any responses yet. Since I'm 100% pro-life in any and all circumstances I probably can't answer your question, but after reading the rest of that other post I feel compelled to say....



I don't know the verse, but isn't there something in the Bible about how all sin is equal in God's eyes? Hate, murder, lies, etc.... all the same to Him. It's humans that put different pricetags on sins. Now, I would never agree w/ someone's choice to have an abortion, but all of you (whoever that may have been) that were so quick to attack that wrong choice (abortion).... have you ever in your life told a lie? Just something to think about and I don't think I worded it quite as well as I wanted. Hope it still makes enough sense though.

Bethany - posted on 03/07/2010

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As someone who believes that life begins at conception, I am pro-life. I believe that God grants us the ability to choose as we will, and this means that I am pro-choice.

But when my choice conflicts with something that God says is very wrong, do I go with choice? Or do I stand with God when He makes his view on the matter very clear?

I considered the idea of an abortion for a time as continuing my pregnancy put my life at risk. The doctors had given me 30% chance of living if I chose not to have one. I talked with God and knew that He wanted me to give my unborn child a chance at life, even if that meant me risking my own. And so I had him. My beautiful baby boy is 15 months old, and I am so glad that I chose to follow Christ in this matter. He provided and took care of us both.

I believe that everyone has a choice, and that God will allow them to make those choices. But there are always consequences and results to those choices, and these consequences can affect us for the rest of our lives. Knowing this, and believing that life begins at conception, I feel that it would be difficult for any mother to give up her child's life in this manner.

We are all at different points in our walks with Christ, and He changes us as we get to know Him more. Not every Christian is to the point where they value life as others do, they aren't willing to see the worth of the unborn. Or they simply don't believe that it is in fact a living being while the child is in the womb. Thus, abortion is okay.

Darcel - posted on 03/07/2010

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Admiting to being intolerant to the idea of pro-choice limits your ability to understand. If you feel in your heart, your conviction is that pro-choice is murder you will never understand how a God fearing Christian can be pro choice. But I will try to explain it to you.



Being pro choice admits the reality that every woman does not have the convictions I have. I do not believe I can force my views on others in the name of Jesus, everyone must make there own choice.



Someone who is pro-choice accepts the fact that everyone does not share their values. Everyone does not agree life begins at conception. Although I may feel strongly about when life begins and you consider abortion as murder everyone honestly does not agree with that view. People who do not share your convictions are not evil, murders, crimminals, or going to hell in a hand basket. They are just people who do not share your point of view.

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i never said that you did, janessa. i'm trying to understand how someone can be a christian and still condone murder. by being pro-choice, you are saying that it's ok to kill an innocent child. in my book, that's murder. whether you are the one doing so or not, you are still condoning it. i'm not judging anyone. i'm trying to understand the viewpoint. i know this is a topic that raises everyone's emotions. i will freely admit that i am very intolerant about this topic. i'm not claiming to be blameless or sin free here either, i'm just, as i said, trying to understand the other side. darcel-in my eyes, being pro choice is being pro abortion. even if you would never have one yourself, you are condoning the action, and if you are condoning it, you're not condemning it. would you condone a mother leaving her child out to die? would you condone someone killing another for a loaf of bread? would you condone any other murder? as i said before, i'm not trying to start a war, i'm just trying to understand.

Janessa - posted on 03/07/2010

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well said Darcel i agree with all you had to say,. i am also pro-choice how dear anyone said you have to be a non christian to be pro choice jugding my faith and my walk with god. That is between God and myself anyone without sin cast the first stone.

Darcel - posted on 03/06/2010

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Easy. Pro-choice does not equal pro - abortion.

Pro choice means that I do not believe that I should force my convictions and my choices on another person. Pro choice does not mean that I have to agree with anothers decision to have an abortion, I just acknowledge other women have the freedom to make the choice for themselves.

Anne - posted on 03/06/2010

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Allison I had responded to that post. I will repeat word for word my response, but I do think that just as non-Christians can be told and believe the lies about what a pre-born baby is or is not, Christians for what ever their reason can also believe those same lies.

Heather - posted on 03/06/2010

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I'm not sure if I am the one to help you or not. I believe that non-believers make worldly choices because they don't know God's Truth. That is their choice, and since they don't know God or His Word, they can't make the choice that He would want. I do not believe that there is a rating system to sin. Non-Christians can't be expected to make Christian choices. However I would not support it or encourage them to do so. God is the creator of life, and he has a purpose for everyone before he even places them in the womb. I would try to use it as a witnessing opportunity.

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