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Angela - posted on 03/29/2013
QUOTE: (from Krista-Travis Addison)
“It is not natural to be gay, no animal in nature purposely goes out and tries to make its bloodline go extinct by not breeding with the opposite sex. If everyone were gay the human race would go extinct, how is this natural?”
Everyone is NOT gay though – just like all the animal kingdom are not gay either. Up to 10% of humans MAY be homosexual. There IS evidence of same sex partnerships in the animal kingdom too. People do not get married in order to produce children, they marry because they have met someone with whom they want to be an equal life partner – a great many couples of course DO have children but (for those of us who are married) I would hate to feel that my spouse married me with the aim of entering a breeding programme together!
If it’s “natural” to breed with the opposite sex, what does this say about heterosexual couples who make a conscious decision not to have a family? About heterosexual individuals who do not pair up with a partner anyway? What about couples who are unable to reproduce? Or those who marry later in life and are too old to have children? Are all of these people going against nature? Do we only exist to breed?
Over the years, Nature has always produced “riddles” and will go on doing so. I have already said several times on this thread that gay people do not choose to be homosexual! Are you straight? Did you choose to be straight? Of course you didn’t! You just found that you were! Surely if any of us had any choice about our sexuality, we would ALL choose the easier, mainstream option! No-one chooses to make their lives more difficult! Gay people face enough hatred, bigotry and misunderstanding – no-one would CHOOSE this!
There are many heterosexual couples that elect NOT to have children. It is not necessarily a natural, inbuilt instinct to reproduce! I know DOZENS of couples that are proudly childfree by choice! There are also many gay couples who raise families together, either through assisted conception (donor eggs, donor sperm etc), fostering or adoption. So the breeding argument is pretty well null & void! Indeed, there are so many children who need a family home that it would probably be better if more people refrained from producing further children on this overpopulated earth and took action to help those that were already here!
Krista-Travis - posted on 03/28/2013
This issue has already been judged
Krista-Travis - posted on 03/28/2013
Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet and show my people their transgression, and their sins".
No one is born gay, it is a decision and the bible says it is the wrong one. It is not Judging to let some one know they are wrong because God has already judged this issue. Now its all about warning people, you do not watch your kids head for an interstate on their bike without warning them of the danger. God calls on christians to stand up against evil and to speak up on what is right and what is wrong. The saying "Judge not lest ye be judged first" we our very morals are being Judged in a court this very moment as to what will be the new standard for marriage. Like it or not you are being judged. It is not natural to be gay, no animal in nature purposely goes out and tries to make its bloodline go extinct by not breeding with the opposite sex. If every one were gay the human race would go extinct, how is this natural?
Kayla - posted on 03/05/2013
Interesting comments being posted. In my opinion, as Christians, we are to believe that the Bible is the infalliable truth- breathed by the Holy Spirit- no matter when it was written or where we are, what it says is right. Well if the Bible, which is God's word, says homosexuality is wrong, than it is wrong. Period. The topic of homosexuality is so touchy because we all know someone who is gay- we can put a face to it- it is personal. Also as Chrisitians we are to walk on forgiveness and in love. God views all sins the same- if being gay is a sin, it is just as bad as lying, jealousy, etc love them and forgive them. As far as the original question goes, my sis in law is engaged to a woman.. My husband and agreed that they are not allowed to stay the night in our home and our kids are not allowed to stay the night at their place. We have agree that Sam will be My sis's friend and when at the right age we will advise them of what it means and so on. I am all about being up front and forward, to an extent, with my kids--- afterall I would rather them hear the truth from me than the seniors on the back of the school bus lol
Anywho that's my rambling---
Angela - posted on 01/07/2013
Daniel, my children are adults and have their own opinions and choices - I do not plant "seeds" or ideas in their minds. Not really sure what you're speaking of. Generally I try not to judge people because as the Bible says, I'd need to take the log out of my own eye in order to see properly to remove the speck out of someone else's eye! (Matthew 7:5)
You have said you are gay - I don't judge you for that. Why should I? None of us chooses our sexuality. I happen to be straight - I didn't choose to be straight, that's just the way I am.
Not really sure what you're saying here, Daniel. Please post again & explain. Thanks.
Daniel - posted on 01/06/2013
And finally all your doing is growing ideas in Your children's minds taking there right to decide what they believe which is a reusable thing that hurts many people how do we grow if were stuck on a petty thing like this
Daniel - posted on 01/06/2013
You people can't be Christian and judge that is good job and if you think you have the right to judge then you aren't a true Christian
Angela - posted on 01/06/2013
Who are you asking Terri?
Terri - posted on 01/06/2013
times might of changed but gods word neither changes do u mean christian as some1 who is born again of the sprit of god and living every day 4 christ
Angela - posted on 01/05/2013
In the UK, we've had gay "marriage" for a few years now. Except it isn't called "Marriage", it's called "Civil Partnership". A same sex couple cannot have a marriage and a heterosexual couple cannot have a civil partnership. Otherwise, the legal stance on property, children, inheritance, employment, benefits etc ... is exactly the same with both. Almost ....
One of the biggest bugbears with the gay community is that the Civil Partnership union is not (officially) known as marriage. Amongst gay AND straight people, it may be popularly known as marriage though. Generally, if a same sex couple plan to become Civil Partners and arrange their ceremony, invite their friends etc .... people speak of them "getting married" and say "ooh! we're invited to a wedding...." Many gay people feel they will not have true equality if they cannot officially have the same word as heterosexual couples to describe their legal commitment to their chosen life partner.
My friend, who is a lesbian, was in a relationship and they were planning a Civil Partnership. She phoned me about it one day. I told my husband - said a couple of our friends were getting married and I'd been asked to "give away" the Bride. This information sunk in briefly with my husband and I then announced "And YOU are 'giving away' the OTHER Bride!!" Now this Civil Partnership ceremony didn't go ahead - like many other couples, both straight and gay, they were possibly not ready for commitment, fair enough. At least they were mature enough to cancel their plans.
If you want to enter a Civil Partnership, any previous Civil Partnerships must be dissolved - otherwise it would be like a straight person re-marrying before they'd divorced the first spouse. In fact if you're entering a Civil Partnership and you've previously been married to someone of the opposite sex, you must be divorced before going ahead with the next commitment. And the same applies to marriage - you can't marry if you're still legally bound to your previous spouse OR if you're still legally bound to a previous Civil Partner! They don't stop a person who is properly divorced from an opposite sex partner entering into a new same sex civil partnership!
Civil Partnership has opened new scope for illegal immigrants wanting UK citizenship. They can "marry" a same sex partner enabling them to stay in the country - and this may well be carried out with more ease than an opposite sex legal contract (e.g. heterosexual marriage!). Imagine you have long-term plans to settle into a country (like the UK) and you ultimately want to bring over your opposite sex partner. Let's say you're male. Your girlfriend back in your own home country isn't going to be 100% pleased if you secure your plans by marrying a woman in an ordinary "legal" marriage. But if you marry a MAN in a civil partnership, wait the statutory 2 years, divorce your civil partner etc ..... Then you have British Citizenship! It's even better if your civil partnership (which was only carried out to get citizenship) is with someone who isn't gay themselves either! Then the TRUE (opposite sex) partners of both of you are NOT going to feel threatened! And then you can arrange to bring your girlfriend over & marry her (or perhaps marry her in your home country - once you're a UK citizen, your spouse is as well - wherever you marry!).
Now, I know it's not legal to either marry OR become someone's civil partner in order to gain citizenship of a country in which you desire to live. But it's been going on for years and will doubtless continue. Large sums of money are on offer for those who are established citizens and are willing to marry someone from another country to help them. Long before Civil Partnership was an actuality, both gay and straight people from other countries were getting married to opposite sex partners to help their applications for citizenship.
One area of inequality between same sex and opposite sex couples is with the benefits system. Generally, couples are treated as couples and can claim as couples - but get more money overall if they claim as individuals. Once you're either married or in a Civil Partnership, then you're very obviously a couple and will be treated as a couple. Many couples therefore decide not to commit in marriage or civil partnership and just live together - but have a separate, second address for one of them to claim benefits from. At least this is what they do if they're a heterosexual couple - and it only works until they're found out! A same sex couple can share a home together quite openly and still claim as 2 individuals from the same address. Because 2 women (or 2 men) can also share a home as friends or housemates - generally the Benefits Agency will not question whether 2 people of the same sex sharing a home are in a relationship. However, two people of the opposite sex (who CAN be friends and NOT romantically involved) cannot claim benefit as 2 individuals. They assume they're a couple and say there is no reason for them to be living together if they're NOT a couple.
So, aside from religious considerations and what may be the perceived "rights" and "wrongs" of gay relationships, there are a few areas of concern both both the gay community and for straight people.
Daniel - posted on 01/04/2013
I am a crhistain man who is gay and the argument that it is unnatural is invalid wasent women's rights unnatural what about racial equality stop being haters and
Accept that times have changed. Also why would the god I love make me this way if it was not intended. My god is fair . I don't know who you worship
Teresa - posted on 09/03/2012
I think it is the "in" thing to be anti-gay right now. There are many other "sins" isues that we need to worry about. This subject is so played over. If any has no sin, let them throw the first stone. Just because its not your sin, doesn' mean it not forgiven, and don't tell me there aren't sins you repeat even after asking for help or forgiveness.
Angela - posted on 08/30/2012
Looks like someone needs to present the 10 reasons here on this thread .....
..... so here we go!
01) Being gay is not natural.
♥ And real Americans always reject unnatural things like polyester, and air conditioning, tattoos, piercings
02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay,
♥in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior.
♥People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all;
♥Hence why women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed;
♥And we can't let the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage be destroyed.
06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children.
♥So therefore, gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our population isn't out of control, our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children,
♥Since of course straight parents only raise straight children.
08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion.
♥In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home.
♥ Which is exactly why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms.
♥Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
Ally - posted on 08/28/2012
I know this wasn't possibly mentioned but.... My parents were two, loving and religouse straight men and woman - for the comment somewhere where mentioned, "straight parents raise straight children, and gays raise gay children..":
1) bs... Who you think birthed them - only 20% by lesbians or STRAIGHT surgest (Just saying)
2) I'm gay, I have a loving wife and husband (long story) with a two beautiful little girl named Julia and Grace (After some remark in the bible) and se developed easily:
Both Getting Amazing grades, loved by everyone they meet, popular, dresses respectful and always helping others - we raised them since birth, the turned out fine.
Thank You, just wanted to share this :)
Carla - posted on 07/27/2011
@Hannah--first of all, see Angela's post, and second, read mine. We did not bash or degrade. True Christians recognize that there is a separation between a person's sin and themselves. We hate sin, because it separates us from God, but BECAUSE we love God, we LOVE the sinner. This is what is going to draw a person, whether gay or not, to Jesus.
If you have read the Bible many times, you can't have missed how much Jesus loves us and wants us all to be with Him forever. The Bible is the guide we were given to accomplish that goal. I pray the Holy Spirit speak to you and help you understand we want the very best for ALL people.
God bless, hon
Angela - posted on 07/27/2011
Hannah, the title of t his thread - "10 reasons why being gay is wrong!!!" is actually the title of another thread, and the link to this other thread is in the opening post.
Go to the other thread of the same title, read the "ten reasons" and the irony and wit of each of those "reasons" will amuse and entertain you!
You must have noticed that the ten reasons of the thread title here, aren't even published on THIS particular thread!
THIS thread is a sort of response to the other thread.
Hannah - posted on 07/26/2011
I have read it, many times, and it is fascinating. A master piece. Carla: so because this is a 'christian's only' thread you can say horrible ignorant hateful crap like "10 reasons why being gay is wrong!!!" ? hmmmmm
Angela - posted on 07/26/2011
@Hannah, hi there, as Christians, the Bible is not fiction to us. I appreciate that some meanings may get lost in the translation or that there are some words in the original tongues where there might not be an exact equivalent word in modern languages but the essence is pretty constant. It serves as our guideline in the Christian life. I take exception at your description of it as "fiction".
I totally agree that discrimination and hate is contrary to the example of our Saviour. It's easy to fall into the trap of acting towards gay people that has more in common with those who hate people for being "different". As a Christian, nay - as a HUMAN BEING I really feel strongly about the persecution gay people endure. No one should have to go through that. It's just as cruel and shameful as targetting people of a different ethnicity to oneself, or disabled people or any group that are "different".
Jesus extended his love, friendship (and salvation) to all. During his time as living on Earth as one of us, he had friends which included despised "foreigners" (Samaritans), tax-collectors, prostitutes and others - many of whom were from groups marginalised by others. I like to think he would have gay friends, former jailbirds, drug addicts, striptease/burlesque performers etc ... amongst his companions if he was living amongst us on Earth today.
Read my own earlier post ... In it I say that as a heterosexual ("straight") person, fortunate enough to be married to a wonderful Christian man, it would be very easy for me to take the attitude that homosexuality/gay issues did not affect me as it was not a battle I personally faced. That wouldn't be an honest or righteous thing to do.
I've locked horns with other Christians on many occasions over my acceptance and support for gay people. Not least on these threads!!
Back to the Bible though. Many non-believers read it and comment on the stories of hate, murder, adultery, incest, dishonesty, betrayal etc .... that pop up on a great many of its pages - then they question how it is a "holy" book! Well Solomon said, "There is nothing new under the sun". All this sin and debauchery isn't a sign of modern times, it's been going on from the year dot! Adam and Eve were the first couple and their first-born child was the human race's first murderer. We haven't degenerated to the sinners we are as a result of modern times, it's always been going on! This is just one of the simple and very obvious truths in the Bible.
Pick it up and read it, Hannah! I can guarantee you will be fascinated.
Carla - posted on 07/26/2011
@Hannah--darling, I don't know if you realize this, but this is a Christian community, and as such, we believe the unerring Truths of the Bible. It was written by Man, but the Holy Ghost inspired it.
Our community adheres to the motto below where we post 'powered by RESPECT not THUMPS. We all would appreciate if this was followed.
Thanks, Carla Allaire
Hannah - posted on 07/25/2011
Before I get to angry at the level of ignorance being displayed here, I remind myself that the bible is a fictional master piece that was written and rewritten then re-translated then re-re-re-translated before being given to certain kings and popes to pick their favorite parts out and write the rest around, then re written and re translated all based off of stories told orally 50 years after they had happened to people who couldn't write...I'm all good with you guys wanting to base your lives off of whatever dogma you please but why would you go against your own belief system to so purposefully hate other people for being different than you. SHAME on you
Carla - posted on 07/18/2011
@Angela--Romans 1:26 talks about 'women did change the natural use into that which is against nature--' the rest then goes into men with men. Any deviation of the God-given women being virgins until they are married, then marry and raise another generation of Godly adults to carry on the message of the Gospel is not his Plan. Marriage, then sex is God's perfect will for Godly couples. So we have to assume that being lesbian or a prostitute or just single and not feeling marriage is needed to have children is contrary to the Plan God has for our lives. Being gay does not produce children from a union.
Read Romans 1, the entire chapter. It explains, very plainly, God's feelings about sexual sin, whether gay or outside marriage. God wants only the best for His children, and the best He designed was a husband, wife and children. David said children were the blessing from the Lord, happy is the man who's quiver is full (of children).
All that being said, God loves the sinner. As Christians, we are to love the gay and lesbian, and treat them gently and lovingly. I fully believe making Jesus attractive to the sinner will bring them to Him a whole lot faster than yelling and name-calling.
God bless all
Angela - posted on 07/18/2011
Great posts there from Uname Name and Victoria Vance.
I want to add this, I admit there are a few sections of scripture where the act of "men lying with men" is said to be detestable etc ... but NEVER is there anything about women lying with women! So what about lesbians? Did gay women not exist in Old Testament times? Or is it OK for ladies to be gay (but not men)?
It has been said by many Christians that it's not a sin to BE a homosexual, only to carry out homosexual ACTS - i.e. be sexually active with a person of the same gender. Firstly, I feel that for any person, heterosexual or homosexual, to form a loving relationship with a life partner, share a home and plan a future together, to all intents and purposes is positive? Remember that a significant minority of heterosexual couples do NOT have sex as part of their relationship (including some legally married, Christian couples). This could be for medical reasons, through choice, etc ... It's a private matter and they don't generally advertise this fact. Similarly, there must be many homosexual couples who also don't have sex in their relationship. So, since we don't know exactly which couples have a sex life and which couples don't, how can we judge any gay couple for the sin of homosexual sex? We don't know!!!
Also the use of words like "lifestyle" and "choice" are quite inflammatory to the gay community and others. People find they are gay, they don't choose this. If they had a choice, life would be so much easier to choose heterosexuality. Aside from the disapproval and judgement of various religious groups (Christians are by no means the only ones) they face real hatred and prejudice from some sections of society.
I'm not gay, none of my family is gay and I'm happily married to a wonderful Christian man. I could say "I'm happy, I don't have this dilemma, it's not my problem ...." That would be moral abdication - like saying "I'm alright Jack, I'm 'straight', so I'll get on with my own life and this is one 'sin' that the Lord isn't going to lay at my door ...." That's why I've spoken out for gay people in a few of these Christian discussion threads.
My intention was to speak out in the way I have. I hope I have not offended anyone - gay OR straight - by giving my opinion.
I pray for harmony and for understanding towards all minority groups that are targeted by mainstream groups.
Victoria - posted on 07/17/2011
I would just like to say that my sister is gay and I really struggled with it. Finally I realized that it is a sin...no different in God's eyes than my sin. A sin is a sin, dirty and black. I told my sis that Yes I felt it was a sin but that if it was her only sin then she was way ahead of me. I love her, I hate the lifestyle. I will not presume to try to convince her until I have the log out of my eye and I'm afraid that will be a long time coming. That said I just love her and treat her with respect and she and her "friends" do the same to me.
Uname - posted on 07/03/2011
"Lastly, can anyone explain to me just how loving it really is to encourage someone to engage in a behavior that is known to Decrease a mans life expectancey by at least 20 years? It's like saying.." I love you so much I want you to kick the bucket 2 decades earlier than anyone else!" I'm just not feelin' the love there" -Tammy
That study was done by the Family Research Institute and their mission statement is "The Family Research Institute was founded in 1982 with one overriding mission: to generate empirical research on issues that threaten the traditional family, particularly homosexuality, AIDS, sexual social policy, and drug abuse."
Obviously their results are going to mirror exactly what their mission statement says.
It might be better to use a more scientific unbiased source rather than a biased religious organization's research.
The 20 years less life expectancy rate is for homosexuals that partake in risky behavior (unprotected sex, heavy drug and alcohol use, sharing needles, etc.) I can definitely see them having a lesser life expectancy, but these studies are trying to generalize one group of homosexual's activities and make it true for all homosexuals. Which is extremely far from the truth.
There are always bad apples in every group, same with heterosexuals. Heterosexuals who partake in risky behavior are likely to live a shorter life as well. Thats just common sense, it doesn't mean that all heterosexuals are going to have a shorter life.
You may not agree with the homosexual line of thinking, but at least try to get to know someone who considers themselves a homosexual instead of just rushing to judge them with generalized statements that aren't true for everyone in that group.
Tammy - posted on 06/29/2011
While the Bible does truthfully state that there were men who chose more than one wife it also states that that was not Gods perfect will. You will also notice that in every instance of more than one wife it wasn't all a bed of roses. It showed just how that messes up relationships. Because that is what it all comes down to.
God did not create us to institute "religion" or give us a big list of "do's and don't's". He created us to have a relationship with him. He gave us the Bible so that we could learn more about him. Just like when you have a relationship with your husband or a parent, you learn what they like and dislike and you try to avoid doing anything they dislike because it effects the relationship in a bad way. Same with God. HE let us know what his likes and dislikes are. He never forces us to enter into a relationship with him. We have a choice. When we do choose to enter into that relationship (Salvation and Justification), we have a responsibility to learn more about him so that we can have a right relationship with him. What you then find is that it isn't about not being "allowed" to do certian things but that you no longer want to. Why? Because who wants to damage a relationship? If you have a good relationship with your spouse would you ever purposely do anything to harm it? We are human so mistakes do happen, he knows this, so he allows for us to admit we missed the mark, "turn away form the sin" and back towards him (repentance) Which is what we initially do when we begin our relationship with him, but once you begin the relationship now you need to maintain the relationship.
As to what all that has to do with homosexuality, it is simply this. God has said he does not like that behavior. As Christians it would harm our relationship with God to embrace, condone, or encourage a behavior he is so adamentally (sp?) opposed to. However, we have to expect unsaved behavior from the unsaved. We are to hate the sin, not encourage it, and try to bring them into the saving knowledge of Christ. Then God can work on their hearts. As for Christians who do encourage people to engage in sinful behavior, they are to be reminded of what Gods word says, if they truley are his then hopefully they'll listen to the Holy Spirit working on their heart.
Lastly, can anyone explain to me just how loving it really is to encourage someone to engage in a behavior that is known to Decrease a mans life expectancey by at least 20 years? It's like saying.." I love you so much I want you to kick the bucket 2 decades earlier than anyone else!" I'm just not feelin' the love there.....
Prudence - posted on 03/10/2011
For God so LOVED the world... we all have done and continue to do the wrong thing...as Non-Christians they are just acting like non-Christians. I dont think we really need to get into debate about this issue as we should all know what it says in the Bible and what we believe.
Carla - posted on 02/25/2011
Melissa, God is, above all else, faithful. If we even meet Him half-way, He comes running to throw His arms around us, joyfully. Every day you trust Him, He shows you that you can trust Him more, so you trust more for tomorrow, and so on. Great faith doesn't come overnight, it comes through our daily struggles, failures and triumphs. If He gave you a list of everything that you are doing that is 'not right', you would get discouraged and give up. He lovingly reveals things to us, as we grow in our faith, and as we are able to handle it.
He is bring you forward, leaps and bounds. I KNOW He has great things ahead for you and your husband, and that's why He is kind of accelerating your progress. Praise God! I have posted in the past, that I believe we are getting to the End Days, and we are in the position to achieve great things for the Kingdom--IF we are willing. We can accomplish whatever we have faith for. I find this thrilling!
God bless, honey, you are on the right road.
Melissa - posted on 02/24/2011
@Carla and I guess anyone else.....So after posting what I did God spoke to me and told me that He does have deliverance for me in this area YEAH!! I just have never asked or done my "part" at giving it to Him. So on the way to see my sponsor/counselor/friend for our weekly mtg I gave it to Him. My husband and I both struggle with looking at innapropriate things and (side story) he just got out of jail today but I had to drive him to rehab and on the way we had a conversation about all of this and he actually said out loud that he is addicted to it (something I already knew) which opened the conversation about all of this. When I was on drugs "open" relationships and promiscuity was "normal" but now I want what God has for me and through everything that I have been, am currently and will go through God is just doing a great work. I do not know how long it will take for God to remove this particular "sin" or how many times I will have to admit to Him that I am at the end of me so He can pick up now. But I know that He is faithful and see this great work in me through that He is started!!
♥ Living 4 HIM ♥
Carla - posted on 02/24/2011
@Melissa, I just LOVE your honesty! And if we are all honest, there are things we battle, and will battle until we are changed in the Resurrection. I do not hang with people who drink. Yes, the Lord was very gracious to me in helping me quit, but He also said 'don't ever get yourself into this again!' I pray when I'm taking Nyquil, telling Him I'm taking it because I can't breathe. I DO NOT have male friends apart from my husband. We counsel several couples, and I've had a man call to talk, but I never meet with one alone. I don't dance with any other man than my husband. I know my limits, and I don't want to push the envelope. Grace is there for us, but we HAVE to be responsible.
We had an ex-gay guy in our church, and we just loved him. He would get to clowning and put on his 'swish' and we would be in the floor cracking up! But, sin is sin. Lying will land ya in hell as quick as homosexuality, or coveting a new car. We love the sinner, but hate the sin. I believe that is Jesus' call to us.
God bless, all
Melissa - posted on 02/22/2011
All I know is that if I wasn't a Christian I would be gay. It is my thorn in my side, but just that, its a thorn in my side. We all struggle with different sins. I mean come on as many of you have read I was cooking meth 5 years ago, I know about sinning. Addiction is something that I have come to terms with having to have to deal with for the rest of my life, just like my sexual desires that are not of God. Im not saying Im perfect now LOL @ that!!! But I try to live radically obedient to God. I am friends with a couple on myspace that are a married woman and man that use to be gay and God changed them. I have not talked personally enough to know if God removed that desire or if they just allow God to be there strength in that area. Wow, didn't think I was going to write half of this stuff. It's just life on lifes terms
♥ Living 4 Him ♥
Sarah - posted on 02/17/2011
Although I am 100% against Gay marriage or being gay, period, I also try not to judge others. The Bible says to love everyone, even our enemies. We should pray for them, not hate them...they are just caught up in their sin...just like the rest of us. Yes being gay is wrong, but if we would stop judging others and focus more on loving others and praying for them and spreading the true word of God, the world would be a much happier place.
Pat - posted on 02/06/2011
1 Corinthians 6:9 Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, not theives....will inherit the kindgom of God. this is one of those topics, you either believe the bible and what God says or you dont. there doesnt need to be a debate.
Carla - posted on 02/06/2011
This is an old post, but it doesn't seem to have died down. I believe that most of the Christian women on this thread are Gentile believers, so we follow Paul's teachings as he received them straight from Jesus. The Old Testament was broken when Jesus died on the cross and through His blood we were grafted into the Chosen People. Romans 1:20:32 speaks of a wide range of sin including men with men working that which is unseemly. I've heard a lot of research here about what the original said and what it meant, but this seems very clear and blunt, homosexuality is not God's will for us. I Corinthians 5:9-13 tells us not to company with people who are committing sin in the church. Verse 12 says we are to judge those inside the church, and 13 says those that are outside the church God will judge.
I have heard so much about 'you can't judge me!' Oh yes, we can! Paul was very adamant about purity in the church. A little leaven (sin) leavens the whole lump. Pretty soon you've got more sin in the church than you have on the outside!
We are to be salt and light to the world. We are to love the person, but HATE the sin. Do not tell them it's okay. The Romans verses above say if you okay their actions you partake in their sins. You may not be an adulterer, but if you protect one, you might as well join the party. We are to act lovingly and be compassionate to the sinner, but at the same time tell them there is a better way. If they won't listen, walk away. I know a lot of Christians who say they have gay friends. If they are NOT telling them about Jesus and how He tells us to come out from among them and be ye separate, we are doing our friends a disservice and maybe condemning them to hell. If a person were getting ready to walk off a cliff, would you not warn them? Why is sin any different? But, as one of the sisters below said, if you believe homosexuality is okay, that is your opinion; but as Christians, it is our duty to warn those who are heading down the wrong path. But, and if you are in homosexuality and someone tells you it is against God's Word, IF you turn and repent of your ways, what have you lost? Do you think God will say 'how come you quit this?' Do you think He will say you went overboard on your faith? I doubt it. I don't think He EVER will say 'man, you took this religion-stuff way too far!'. This does NOT mean that we get all tangled up in can't wear your hair short, or can't wear pants, or can't do this or that' because that is Religion, not Godliness. But to observe and do the things written in the New Testament, which is our guideline for daily living, God will be pleased.
God is Love. We are to conduct ourselves as purely and holily as we possibly can. We are to love Him with all our heart, soul and mind. We are to love our neighbors as ourselves. THIS is the will of God for our lives.
God bless, all
Uname - posted on 02/05/2011
In reply to:
"Jane Edwards - posted on 03/29/2010
You said it diane, but there are verses in the bible on homosexuality. Leviticus 18: 22 Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. what about jude 7-16 and romans 1: 21-32. romans 1:27 pretty much sums that up."
Often bible verses are taken out of context.
Leviticus 18: 22 is a passage from the Mosaic Code that is often used to condemn all sexual behavior between two men. Although it obviously refers to male-male sex, it is sometimes also used to condemn lesbian activity.
The chapters before and after chapter 18 deal extensively with idolatry. We can therefore expect that much of chapter 18 will deal with the same topic.
Leviticus 18, verses 6 to 21, contain a whole series of forbidden forms of incest with one's:
Verse 6: relatives that are "near of kin."
Verse 7: father or mother.
Verse 8: father's wife.
Verse 9: sister or step sister.
Verse 10: granddaughter.
Verse 11: sister or step sister.
Verse 12: aunt on the father's side of the family.
Verse 13: aunt on the mother's side of the family.
Verse 14: uncle or aunt.
Verse 15: daughter-in-law.
Verse 16: sister-in-law.
Verse 17: female friend together with a close female relative of the friend.
Verse 18: wife's sister.
Verses 19 and 20 leave the topic of incest but continue the theme of forbidden sexual activity:
Verse 19 forbids sexual activity with a menstruating woman.
Verse 20 forbids adultery with a neighbor's wife.
At this point, there is a break in topic being discussed. The chapter switches to a condemnation of false forms of worship in general, and the worship of the Pagan god Molech in particular. Like many other Pagan temples, those dedicated to Molech had temple prostitutes. His followers believed that engaging in sexual activity with these prostitutes would please Molech and "... increase the fertility of themselves, their spouses, their livestock and their fields."
Verse 21 forbids ritual child sacrifice and names a Pagan god Molech to whom children were believed to have been sacrificed. The verse also forbids blasphemy against Yahweh.
Verse 22 is translated in the King James Version as: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
If the verse is considered in isolation -- as it is most often done -- then a logical interpretation is that the verse condemns all sexual activity between two males.
If Leviticus 18:22 is considered in the context of its surrounding chapters and previous verse, then one might expect that it refers to some forbidden idolatrous activity in a Pagan temple from which the ancient Israelites must separate themselves.
If you analyze the verse more...
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: "V'et zachar lo tishkav mishk'vey eeshah toeyvah hee."
The first part of this verse is literally translated as "And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman" Many, probably most, theologians, Bible translations and biblical commentators agree that the verse is directed at men who engage in at least some form of anal sex with other men. But they do not agree on the full scope of the forbidden activities.
The Living Bible greatly widens the scope of the original Hebrew to include all homosexual acts by both men and women. They confuse the matter further by not differentiating between homosexual orientation and homosexual behavior. They render the first part of this verse as: "Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden."
On the other hand, many religious liberals have interpreted the beginning of this verse as referring only to sexual activities between two males during a Pagan temple ritual. If there were a liberal translation of the Bible, it might say "Ritual anal sex between two men in a Pagan temple is forbidden."
The second part of this verse explains what type of sin this transgression falls under. There are two types of sin in the Mosaic Code:
Moral sin is produced by rebellion against God. This seems to be the interpretation of most biblical translations imply when they translate the Hebrew "toeyvah" in this verse into English words such as "abomination," "enormous sin," or "detestable."
Ceremonial uncleanliness is caused by contact with a forbidden object or by engaging in a behavior which might be quite acceptable to non-Hebrews, but which was forbidden to the Children of Israel. Eating birds of prey, eating shellfish, cross breeding livestock, picking up sticks on a Saturday, planting a mixture of seeds in a field, and wearing clothing that is a blend of two textiles are examples of acts of ritual impurity which made a Child of Israel unclean. These were not necessarily minor sins; some called for the ancient Israelite to be executed or expelled from the tribe.
The verse is, unfortunately, incomplete. Its precise meaning is ambiguous. The phrase "lay lyings" has no obvious interpretation. Attempts have been made to make sense out of the original Hebrew by inserting a short phrase into the verse. For example:
The Net Bible translation inserts two words to produce "And with a male you shall not lay [as the] lyings of a woman." A man must not have sexual intercourse with another man as he would normally have with a woman. i.e. anal intercourse between two men is not permitted. From this literal, word for word translation, they produce a smoother English version: "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman."
An alternative translation would insert a different pair of words to produce: "And with a male you shall not lay [in the] lyings of a woman." That is, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on a woman's bed. Presumably, they must go elsewhere to have sex; a woman's bed was sacred and was to be reserved for heterosexual sex.
Verses are often taken out of context and used to condem such topics as homosexuality.
There are verses like the ones below that are often forgotten and not used in todays world.
"If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately." Deuteronomy 22:13-21
"If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death." Deuteronomy 22:22
"If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her." Deuteronomy 25:11-12
How is it right to pick and choose what verses you use? You choose Leviticus 18: 22 to condem homosexuality but you forget about the other verses in the bible that say that a bride should be stoned if she is not a virgin, or that adulterers should be stoned.
Janet - posted on 04/23/2010
God made Man and Woman for each other not man and man or woman and woman. Read your Bible it tells us it is wrong.
Alicia - posted on 04/13/2010
It is very clear in the bible that the choice to be involved in homosexuality is wrong. And it is a choice, just like every other sin. Now I do agree with others on this page who say that it is important as Christians to love these people. We are called to love others and to try to reach them with the word of God. I do not condone what they do nor will I tell them that I do so that we may have a conversation. I will however tell them about what our loving God in heaven has done for them and why it is important to them. None of us are perfect, nor should we act like it. We all sin in different ways. The difference is that when you are a Christian, you know that your sins have been covered with the blood of Christ. We ask for forgivness and try harder. Now, we will fail. None of us will ever reach the level of perfection that is God. It is important to let these lost people understand that. We should not be snobs and look down on others. Live by Jesus' example. He came into this world as a servant. If we put ourselves below others and truly humble ourselves we might be able to reach out to these people. On another note, I also don't agree with gay marriage. Just to get facts straight, marriage is a union before God. They are allowed to have a civil union and have everything legally that a "normal" husband and wife can have. The fact that they want to be able to get married doesn't even make sense to me to begin with. Since God doesn't condone homosexuality, I don't think he would condone homosexual marriage either. I think it is very sad that our country has gotten this far away from it's Christian roots.
Jade - posted on 04/13/2010
thank you Jen reed for saying what needed to be said!!
Evelyn - posted on 04/11/2010
Sometimes I wonder why we need to go back and forth on issues like this. If you believe Gay marriage is right, so be it. If you don't like I do, so be it. One day, not too long from now, we'll find out who is right.
Amy - posted on 04/10/2010
There are lots of people in the world that call themselves Christians, yet they are not; they don't believe what God has told us in the Bible. Yet it is not our job to determine if they go to Heaven or not, or to pass judgment on their relationship with God, but simply to gently correct them and to be good examples.
I'll be honest, I struggle with frustration when people say they are Christian and "I support [enter contradiction to the Bible here.]." What point is there in "having faith" in something so wishy washy? There's no faith in that. Ethical relativism... otherwise known as Sophism. Latin for Silly. It's a reason philosophy classes glaze over the Sophists. They weren't wise. Unfortunately, it seems to be the turn our culture is taking.
Kellean - posted on 04/10/2010
Hate the sin love the sinner!
Patsy - posted on 03/31/2010
The BIBLE: ROAMANS 1:5-7
Diane - posted on 03/31/2010
Iysha........Hmmmmm? Could you support your claim? Give us how you came to that conclusion...please give examples and scripture passages. Thanks
Kathryn you are so right and I stand corrected thank you. There are marriages with more than one wife and I believe they are in the Old Testament before Christ came. We should look to what directions Christ gave us......He said for a man to leave and parents and join his one wife. In the entire Bible there is not ONE instance of two women or two men in marriage.
Kim - posted on 03/31/2010
As a Christian, I believe this(that being gay is wrong). I also believe that it is through love we can reach the heart. We all have sinned and why should homosexuals be any different it is not for me to change them only God can do that, I inform and move on and I truly believe that God will deal with them in his time, just as he will all. Please if you are christian don't get caught up in this, it is a trap. Work on getting yourself together and let God judge and punish, because no one does it better than God!
Katherine - posted on 03/30/2010
Iysha, if you are truly christian you know it is wrong and you are wrong for supporting gay marriage, those are not my views but the views of my father in heaven and i don't care how you try to make it right it is wrong, wrong, wrong, and you cannot justify it, read your bible sweetie, go to church, PRAY!!! i have a couple of family members that are gay, i do not support them, yes, i love them, but i pray for them, i don't live by my rules, i live by his, yes i make mistakes, we all do, all of us fall short of the glory of God, we cannot uphold what is wrong, i am against abortionist, murders, and rapist too, along with men who beat their wives, are those people going to hell, of course, unless they get right with God, so will gays, like it or not that is what the bible says, again not my words, GODS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can argue with anyone but him, and he does have final say!
Iysha - posted on 03/29/2010
I am a Christian AND I SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE!!!
Katherine - posted on 03/29/2010
diane just so people are not mislead, in the bible plenty of mentions about a man taking more than one wife, not just a marriage between one man and one woman as you stated, i agree that gay marriage is wrong, gay partnership is wrong and gay actions are wrong, anyone who is gay reading this if you are secure in your belief, why bother reading these posts, why debate the issues you will never change our minds, we say these things because this is our religion and it is unacceptable to our father in heaven and therefore unacceptable to us. it is not passing judgement, it is stating the facts we know, it is an abomination before GOD. we are posting to statements made on our page by someone who obviously is not christian, if they were we wouldn't be having this discussion. the bible is one book that will never be out of date and if you think rules that were made for people back then do not apply to us today, then you are indeed mistaken, we have adapted our own ways of living, that doesn't make it right, and we will all pay for the mistakes we've made, it doesn't matter to me if anyone is gay or green with purple spots, i don't dislike anyone for who or what they are, but that also doesn't mean that i accept things i know to be wrong according to the bible i read. i will never accept it and i don't care how many gay pride parades are held, to me those parades are mocking the word of GOD and he will deal with it, its not my place to judge, but it is every christians place to help others stay on track, and if what we as christians do offends anyone, read the bible, king james version, just the first few books will answer any questions about this topic, and the best thing to do is to not try to get us fired up, in other words, if you don't want to know you are on your way to hell, don't ask.
Jane - posted on 03/29/2010
You said it diane, but there are verses in the bible on homosexuality. Leviticus 18: 22 Thou shall not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. what about jude 7-16 and romans 1: 21-32. romans 1:27 pretty much sums that up.
Diane - posted on 03/29/2010
Jen, this issue does not have anything to do with hating someone, it deals with love. Sin is sin and God spells out exactly what it is in the Bible. He says ALL SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE is sin. That includes premarital sex between heterosexuals as well.
If you love someone you do not want them hurt and lets fave it sin splashes, it destroys people and lives. It is disobedience towards God. We have every right as Christians to judge actions with righteous judgement. How else do we protect ourselves from the enemy? We can not judge another persons heart however that God will do.
Like Jane said.........we should NOT accept sin.
Eliese you said, "But nowhere in his words do I find anything about condemning homosexuality."
He did not talk about child abuse either but should we accept that? There are enough verses in the scriptures both Old and New where He does talk about what marriage is, and how sex should take place. Could you site just once where He talked about two same sex people who got married? Could you explain why when He talked about marriage it was ONLY between ONE woman and ONE man?
We should not change scripture to fit our culture because our culture is sick and sinful. It’s not about our standards but rather Gods standards of right and wrong.
You talk about the Law in the OT and about laws the Jews tried to follow.
The Old Covenant is to the New Covenant what promise is to fulfillment. How did,does, and shall Jesus Christ fulfill the promises of the Old Covenant? We should honor the Old Testament as the Word of God, just as Jesus did. Jesus was a Jew and He honored the law. But His mission was to change from Old Covenant to New Covenant from the laws of Moses to the law of Christ. Christ said I HAVE COME. He is the one who fulfilled the Old Testament by his sinless life. He is the one to fulfill its prophecies about his first coming. He fulfilled it by his death and resurrection. He fulfilled it by the establishment of his worldwide church. And he will fulfill it at his Second Coming.
Jane - posted on 03/26/2010
also, gay pride is saying your are proud of your sin. should we have an adultary pride day? no sin is something you should be proud of.
Jane - posted on 03/26/2010
jen, we don't asume being gay is a sin, God said it was. we don't need to be accepting to sin. we should love the sinner and Hate the sin. we are all sinners so I feel being gay is no different that the sins we all make, but it doesn't mean we have to be accepting of sin, just the people. It is between them and God.