Abortion - Touchy subject!

Jamie - posted on 03/28/2010 ( 189 moms have responded )

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As Christains, what are your feeling on abortion when the pregnancy is caused by rape?



To me, it makes it more understandable why the woman would want an abortion, but I still think it is wrong to take that life. Even if you don't want the baby there are plenty of couples who would love to adopt, right?



Just wondering what other christians think about it!

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Yolanda - posted on 03/30/2010

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Wow! I'm now 16 weeks pregnant w/ me third baby and if Iysha thinks a baby isn't a baby till after 24 weeks my heart breaks. I've heard the heart beat, seen ultrasound pics and in the next few weeks I'm sure I'll feel a kick or jab. God does have a plan for each of us but how many time have we gone astray and done our own will and sinned against God? Too many! Personally I think women use abortions as a form of birth control and it sickens me. The case for rape and incest are rare but they do happen and God has a perfect plan for that precious baby He created! Just another situation where we think we know what is better for us then God. We can be foolish but God always forgives us if we repent.

Iysha - posted on 03/29/2010

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I am very pro choice. I believe that a woman has the right to terminate a pregnancy within the dates that are legally accepted (before 24 weeks). I Believe that for whatever reason, if a woman does not want to bear a child, she should not be forced to...her decisions should be accepted and respected by others. They don't necessarily agree with her decision but they should respect the fact that she made her own decision and that we all have the right to make our own decisions. I do not believe that life begins at conception...I believe that life begins at a later stage in pregnancy...the stage where neonatalogists and scientists and health care professionals say it begins( implantation). I believe that if God has a plan for all of us, who are outsiders of a situation to disrupt that plan? That plan for the woman may not involve a child...

Carla - posted on 03/29/2010

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There is a woman who posted on our Christian moms site a couple weeks ago that had actually gone through a rape and kept the baby. I find her a source of strength. As the old saying goes, stuff happens. We can't always control the event, but we can control the outcome. This woman was incredibly strong, and kept her baby and raised her/him with love. If this is not possible, carrying the child to term and giving another couple a chance at raising the child is the next best solution. My daughter and son-in-law have adopted two children the biological mother carried and gave to someone thrilled to have them.



Abortion is horrid --murder notwithstanding. The price the woman pays in emotional distress is 10x worse than carrying the child and giving it up. Women are told it is a piece of tissue, and worth nothing. We know better, and carry the guilt and shame the rest of our lives.



The physical act against the woman is violent and awful--that does not mean we respond by a violent and awful act to 'erase' the problem.



I hope that answers your questions, Jamie. God bless

Denese - posted on 03/31/2010

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I have soo much to say on this topic and dont even know how to put it into words. First off I ve never actually had a tubal pregnancy and dont know how that feel so on that ive jsut got the research ive done many times. But i was out in a postion by my Dr while I was only 15 and pregnant with my first son who is now 11. i was only 3 months pregnant and found out I was Pre-Eclamptic and turning Toxomic quickly and that this would kill us both if I did not terminate the pregnancy as he called it. I was young and soo scared and yet so firm in My faith that I knew instantly my response and that we would both make it thru. I also knew at all cost including my life I would not abort my son. It was the toughest pregnancy ive ever experienced and by Gods will we both survived. I went toximic at 4 months and went on to carry him till i was 7 months and then we induced an had a 36 hour hard labor to wear I delivered and my son was a fighter. he stopped breathing in my arms and as they grabbed him I coded too. I remember praying before I coded and the whole time I could here them working on me. I just told GOD I knew there was a bigger plan and I know in my heart his will be done and not my own. I came too 6 hours later in agony and screeching for my son to find him sound asleep in the nursery doing great.We stayed their 14 days and it took me four years before I recovered but God hold me everyday and we are here for a reason. I knew from the instance I found out I was pregnant i would give my life for my children and I did just that. I couldnt imagine my life without my son or the incredible fight we gave for it to be.My father even disowned me for about 4 years because of my decision to fight for my son and to raise him as a teenage mother. But every bit of our struggle is worth it. I know have three sons and a wonderful husband. Those pregnancies were hard but none compare to my glorious fight for my son nathan.
I say all that to say sometimes Dr's are wrong in there assumption that we must give up or precious babies to live to fight another day and raise a different child later in life. With great intentions they suggested my son be terminated before he even had a chance to fight for himself and I refused. I knew in that moment a glorious day would come of it and so we fought together till the day had to come when he graced us with his presence and fought so brilianlty with God holding onto us every step of they way. So each case is a decision we are forced to make and I hope its a decision of life but know Either way to give it to God and let him walk you through and restore you in the decisions we make whether or not to have our children.
I can no longer have children as my doctor took that right away from me as it was medically neccessary but none the less for two years i felt ripped from my God given right and choice to decide if I want to have more which I did and the decision and risk was mine to make. So one day I will adopt a precious child and love them as my own.

Angela - posted on 04/26/2012

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There is evidence that if no-one who wanted an abortion actually got an abortion and all the babies destined to be aborted were, in fact adopted by couples who wanted to adopt a baby, there would be far more babies available for adoption than parents who wanted to adopt - thousands in fact - and that's in the UK alone. Therefore more babies are being conceived than are wanted by anyone! And that's BABIES - it's doesn't even begin to address the issues of older children who are waiting for adoptive parents.

I am opposed to abortion but I feel it's very dishonest not to take stock of the full facts.

Abortion is not going to be stopped by offering adoption as an alternative; abortion will only be curtailed by more education for women (and couples) before they even get pregnant. Plain cold facts rather than emotive presentations will be more effective. Offering adoption as an alternative may work for one pregnant woman/girl at a time (and not many will embrace the idea). On a grand scale, even if every single woman considering abortion went down the adoption route - it doesn't work, the sheer numbers show it wouldn't work.

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Kim - posted on 01/04/2014

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Praise god.!! Thank u for trusting in the lord and protecting ur babies. Xxxooo

I agree..

I think Most dr. Are self righteous and I believe like to play god.

Kim - posted on 01/04/2014

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I'm a Christian . I was a Christian before a 6 week abortion (pill given for a miscarriage at home)...I believe abortion is wrong. In any form. I believe we r humans and we make mistakes. But after this I believe life is fragile and was shown this through my mistakes. I've since been baptized and am so. Close in my walk with the lord. Through my suffering g he's shown himself to me as a compassionately loving and understanding father.....I am pro life. And I know with an option to abort there will always be ppl who take the offer....I believe without facilities n the dr. To do the. Abirtions...There will barely be none done at all......xxo

Kimberley - posted on 01/02/2014

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Jesus did say in Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

In John 8:11 Jesus said to the adulteress "....Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

When we accept Jesus into our hearts our sins are forgiven, but that does not give us authority to keep living sinful lives. We are to strive to live as sinless as a life as possible. If we do mess up we need to repent and ask for forgiveness.

On the subject of judging others, we are not supposed to judge others but we are allowed to rebuke or reprove others on how God expects us to live our lives.

LalaBoom - posted on 01/02/2014

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HahahaHaha.... Judging you? Carla, sweetheart, I don't even know you. Have you noticed that everything I wrote is entirely in response to your post? What I did was correct you so that your skewed interpretations don't continue to alianate and confuse non-believers. What I didn't do was judge you, miss "you must have been badly wounded" simply because I confronted your rhetoric. It's funny, really. You backtracked and indirectly agreed with me while pulling off some sort of "victimhood" with the "I think you have judged me already..." and yet, you have the audacity to assume that I must be some wounded bird for calling you out of your judgemental throne. LOL!

Too bad my bluntness offends you. But if there's one thing God has given me, is ZERO patience and tolerance for those who feel they are above non-believers.

"Judging without having your own life in as much order as humanly possible WITH the help of the Spirit is wrong. Jesus said 'clean up your own back yard'. IF we are striving for righteousness and holy living, it wouldn't make sense to hang around with those who's actions might cause us to slip. As for judging those I know nothing about---I don't. I DO pay very close attention to those I have around me, and if they are tearing me down instead of lifting me up, they aren't good for me, and I'd better back off."

THAT was my point all along and exactly what I said in earlier posts. Jesus/God doesn't give us authority to judge others the way you stated in your earlier posts. Actually He quite blatantly makes it clear that we are not to do so. We are to judge ourselves by the company we keep. Period.

As for praying for me- THANK YOU :)

Carla - posted on 01/01/2014

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I think you have judged me already, LalaBoom.

Judging without having your own life in as much order as humanly possible WITH the help of the Spirit is wrong. Jesus said 'clean up your own back yard'. IF we are striving for righteousness and holy living, it wouldn't make sense to hang around with those who's actions might cause us to slip. As for judging those I know nothing about---I don't. I DO pay very close attention to those I have around me, and if they are tearing me down instead of lifting me up, they aren't good for me, and I'd better back off.

I am praying for you, Lala. You must have been badly wounded somewhere along the line. I pray for restoration and healing for you, mind, body and spirit.

LalaBoom - posted on 12/31/2013

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Its clear as water, and yet you're missing the point because you rather play 'god' and judge other people who you know nothing about.

Since you refuse to put the verse into context, please spew your rhetoric in response to these verses. Translate these for me because I seem to be missing the point.....

Matthew 7:1-5
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Carla - posted on 12/31/2013

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I gave you a Scripture where Paul said we are to judge those of the church and if they are among the persons who are fornicating, extorting, etc, we are to put them out. I don't think it gets much clearer than that.

You are absolutely right on one thing, though, and that is that each of us has their own opinion. I happen to line my opinions up according to Biblical standards. I have never read anywhere in the Bible where it says God makes allowances for where we live or what timeline we are in.

Sorry you thought my post was too long. This one will be short and to the point.

LalaBoom - posted on 12/30/2013

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Carla,

Your post is unnecessarily long. You should take your own advice and re-read the chapter for context.

I don't think you have a clear understanding of what "living under grace" means. We were granted God's grace via Jesus' death. Grace is the only reason why humans (believers and non-) have the opportunity to have a "hearing" before we are doomed for all eternity. As Christians, we don't "stop" being sinners, we were branded such since Adam and Eve with mortal death and illnesses, etc being our punishment. The difference between believers and non is that we simply lead a life according to what we think God would want from us, free of behaving in a sinful manner. The fact that sin is in our very core and part of our nature prevents us from doing what you did: elevate ourselves from among other sinners and applying blanket Christian standards that don't apply to the other part of the world with different upbringings and cultural variations.

Now, the verse you cited:

I Corinthians 5:9-13
This verse is a message clarifying one of the earlier letters that he had sent. In this verse he clarifies that he did not mean to say Christians shouldn't be amongst these sinners, because realistically, that meant we'd have to leave the world since the ENTIRE world (Christian or not) is full of sin ("I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; FOR THEN MUST YE NEEDS GO OUT OF THE WORLD."). He sends us the message that WE, meaning, YOU the individual, in the presence of such sin should not allow it. Not that you should "judge" it, that you, as a Christian should not condone it by participating in it or allowing it in your life ("But now I have written unto you NOT TO KEEP COMPANY, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one, not to eat"). You can find further connections and clarifications in Deutoronomy 19, 21, 22 (but I can't remember the specific verses).

I dare you to find a verse where God EVER gives us any power to JUDGE anyone other than ourselves, I dare you. Like I said earlier, Bible thumpers LOVE to have a reason to point a finger even when the Bible makes CLEAR statements about our behavior as Christians.

I have my opinions on abortions- and they are MINE to have, not mine to impose on anyone. What would God have me do instead? Pray for the person having to face an abortion that God may grant wisdom and peace of mind.

Carla - posted on 12/27/2013

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As a Bible thumper, I can categorically state that it is ABSOLUTELY our position to judge others who claim the Name of Jesus. I Corinthians 5:9-13, talks about the unbelievers and believers (read the entire chapter for clarity and context), 'I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one, not to eat. For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.' The Holy Spirit is telling us, very specifically, that it's HIS job to judge the unbelievers--but it is OUR job to judge the ones we hang with that call themselves Christians.

When Jesus died, and the New Testament was invoked, the Mosaic Law was done away with, and we were grafted into the Family of God through Jesus. THIS is the Grace we have been given. Our past sins are washed away, but from the day of our conversion we are to start transforming ourselves into the Image of God. But when God said 'do not take the Lord's name in vain', He wasn't talking about swearing, which this passage has been translated to mean. He was talking about calling yourself a Christian, but not having the heart relationship with Jesus--which does a body no good. Just standing in the garage doesn't make me a car.

Grace is given to those who walk the path Jesus has shown us. We still are accountable for our lives. Grace is not a blanket to cover sin. The Scripture above says put those people out. This tells me God doesn't think His Grace covers or excuses sin.

Now, I understand the dilemma of abortion. Being alone, scared, young maybe, feeling dirty from a rape, whatever the feeling. I thought one way when I was young, but I feel another way now that I have lived longer than two (or maybe 3) of your lives put together. There is always a way out. Adoption is a wonderful option. We have two adopted grandchildren we love to distraction, and thank God the young woman made the hard decision. It was an answer to prayer for my darling daughter, who couldn't physically bear a child. There are always options, and I pray those faced with this decision will at least consider all the options.

I pray wisdom and guidance for any young woman facing this today. As a grandmother who loves two of these little ones that could have been aborted, I thank God one woman listened to Him.

God bless, all

LalaBoom - posted on 12/27/2013

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I'm a Christian, and one of the things I see from Bible thumpers is their lack of Biblical understanding.

Our feelings on abortion, whether applied to a pregnancy caused by rape of otherwise, are irrelevant.

If you truly believe in the Bible, then you know after Jesus' death we live under grace. Meaning, we do not live by the laws but under his grace. Why? Because God knows culture plays a role on beliefs and therefore no one but him is in a position to judge.

Yolanda - posted on 11/07/2013

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If we truly believe God is the creator of life, we will not abort our children. The only person given a choice is the mother. The baby has none. I'm so glad my mother valued me. America no longer looks to the God of heaven, that's why we justify abortion.

Gayle - posted on 11/01/2013

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I just want to add one more thing. I have had four children. My first three are triplets. To make a long story short, I am a diabetic, and a diabetic mother carrying multiples, to my doctor was extremely dangerous, not for me but for the development of my babies. My doctor was very adament on me 'selectively reducing' (aborting) one of my babies because they had the potential to have a birth defect (because I am diabetic; not that they were shown to have any on ultrasounds.) I had trouble getting pregnant and didnt believe in abortion. I wasnt about to destroy a baby because of something that MIGHT happen.I was one of the women who would have LOVED to adopt one of these precious unwanted children. After going through a pregnancy with my doctor making comments like "Well we can only hope that one of them dies on their own" I gave birth to three beautiful, perfectly formed children. The child I believe they would have killed because he was on the bottom of my uterus is a quick witted, smart, type one personality with a quick smile and active creative mind. My other two children are perfect too. Doctors dont know everything and arent in control. God is. If I had listened to our doctor (the formost expert in the Chicago area) I would have missed out on one of my precious children. I know they all will grow up to be something great and a benefit to the world. They are already deciding that they want to be a vetrenarian, a teacher, and a parametic or a doctor.

Carla - posted on 11/01/2013

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This is a good video of conception to birth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fKyljukBE70

Carla - posted on 11/01/2013

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When a person is declared brain dead, the essence of that person, his soul/consciousness is gone. When an egg and a sperm come together, it produces a child. Not a toaster, not a dog, it's always a child. And we know, with all the medical technology now available, that the little clump of cells is recognizable as a child at 3 months. There was a theory going around not too long ago saying an embryo for a short time has a tail, as evidence of evolution. That has, of course, been disproved as nonsense.

There was a video out, and I'm sure probably all of you saw it, where a doctor was operating on a baby invitro. The baby reached out and grabbed the doctor's finger and held it, giving the doctor a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

This IS a touchy subject, and I have given my own experience as an example of the desperation of an unexpected pregnancy. I thank God every day that He helped me decide to take a chance on having our precious baby girl, and He DID protect us, and though my ex DID take the children and keep them in hiding, I was able to find them and bring them home. My baby girl, now 40, has been a continual source of love, comfort and compassion.

You never know what the child you are carrying is going to be. Each child deserves a chance, whether with his birth mother or with another family who is aching to hold a child. We are grateful beyond description that a woman and her mother made the hard decision and allowed my baby girl to adopt our precious grandchildren. I look back and think if we hadn't made the right choice, we would have been deprived of the joy of our precious daughter and then our grandchildren, who all are great joys in our lives.

Sometimes doing the right thing is hard. But God watches over these little ones, and whatever we do for them is rewarded.

God bless, all

Tina - posted on 10/31/2013

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But human life is nowadays not determinded by the beating of a heart. A brain-dead person still has a heart beat. And yet most people would agree that this person isn`t alive.

I think saying life is determined by the beating of a heart is simplifying things.

So, if you are saying that the possibility of "this lump of cells" becoming human is enough to already make it human... Well, then I have to disagree. An apple seed may become and apple tree. But does this mean t the seed IS a tree?

I think abortions are terrible. But the consequences of not having an abortion may sometimes be worse than the consequences of having one.
And no, abortion shouldn`t be used as a contraceptive. Abortion should be the last way out of a desperate situation.

Gayle - posted on 10/31/2013

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I may be repeating what other people have said, but here is my two cents worth:

I understand why a woman would want to have an abortion if she had been raped because she would not want to have a constant reminder of the violation of her body. BUT . . .

The Bible is very clear when it talks about life and babies. While in my mother's womb he knew me, he knew the number of hairs on my head. . . etc. If life is determined by the beating of a heart, and death by the cessation of a beating heart, then that little clump of "cells" inside of a woman, is a baby, in as little as 6 weeks after actual conception. It is a life and ALL life is valuable. You aren't getting rid of a clump of cells, you are getting rid of a human child. An INNOCENT human child. Our world has become so backwards to think that an animals rights are more important than a humans.

If you are a CHRISTIAN, your requirements in this area goes up. You cannot choose to believe certain parts of the Bible and ignore other parts of the Bible to suit whatever beliefs make you most comfortable. Either the Bible is the word of God, or it isn't. You can't pick and choose the nice verses and ignore the bad ones. Killing a child, whether inside the mother, or outside, is still a sin. A horrible sin.

There are so many women now days who cannot have a child and would LOVE to love your child if you just decided to give it a chance.

Carla - posted on 10/29/2013

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IF rape were the only reason women got an abortion, this probably wouldn't be such an issue. I have seen women have multiple abortions--they are using abortion as birth control.

I understand contemplating abortion, I did too, once. I was 21, with a 5 and 3 y/o, just recently separated. I met my now husband, and got pregnant almost immediately. My soon-to-be ex was a very controlling, and I was terrified he would find out I was pregnant and try to take my children away. I was not living for the Lord at that time, but I think He spoke to me anyway. We ended up going through with the pregnancy, and I can tell you frankly, it makes me sweat thinking I could have lost the chance to know and raise this awesome little person. She's smart, funny, beautiful, and loves God. She is now 40 and an awesome mama and wife.

Women DO have a choice--you can have sex and accept the consequences, or you can abstain. Once you have made the choice, and a baby is conceived, that choice is taken away, at least in God's eyes. This is why God tells us not to have sex until we are married. But the world, even the Church world, has forgotten this command, and now we have millions and millions of little souls that never got the chance to choose for themselves.

I know this answer isn't popular, but we are a Christian community, and it is our responsibility to give God's viewpoint of life.

God bless, all.

Tina - posted on 10/29/2013

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I believe life starts with conception (When the sperm joins the egg cell).
And yet I am still pro choice. Why?

Even though I personally wouldn`t get an abortion, I do not feel like it is my place to decide for other people what they want to do. I do not know what they are feeling, what they are going through. Maybe they are really unable to go through with the pregnancy. This may have physical, psychological or financial reasons.

And the results of prohibiting abortions are in my opinion really bad.

1rst reason: The mother gets some kind of illegal abortion (like they did in the old days). I believe this is very dangerous for her. And I fear that it might be very painful for the kid. And if it fails the kid will probably have some deformations or something.

2nd reason: A woman that doesn`t want to be a mother will probably not take care of herself when she is pregnant. She may even consume alcohol, smoke or take other drugs.

3rd reason: And even if the pregnancy goes well, I could imagine that many women (especially) young ones might keep the baby because they already love it. But they are overstrained, unable to cope. And they might end up abusing or neglecting the kid.

I believe that every abortion is tragic. But I am sure that the little baby goes straight to God. And I think that is certainly less painful than the misery an unwanted child may have togo through.

I am 20 now, and I might be pregnant, I don't know yet. But I already know this: If I am I won`t get an abortion. Because I know that I have the mental stability to go through a pregnancy and raise a child. Even though this child wasn`t plans (if I really am pregnant) and even though I think it would be better if I waited for some years to become a mum.
But I understand that not everybody is in the same situation as I am.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say. English isn`t my first language...

So, in my opinion it doesn`t matter whether the baby is conceived because the woman was raped or because she had consensual sex. I think she should be able to decide in both cases whether she wants an abortion or not.

Marilyn - posted on 07/25/2013

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Wow, this thread has been going for more than three years! Quite a long time!

My feelings about rape followed by pregnancy are this: There are two victims, the person who was raped and the child conceived as a result of the violence. Killing the child will not reverse the rape. It is not the child's fault for being conceived. A woman's own hurt from being raped does not excuse her perpetrating violence on another innocent being.

Also, women who have had abortions are much more likely to commit suicide within a year of the abortion than women who choose to give birth. Encourage women's health, bodily and mentally.

Linda - posted on 07/21/2013

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Tegan, women are dying NOW from "legal" abortion. See "Kermit Gosnell". Also, lots of babies are dying from legal abortion.

As far as keeping your opinion private, that is everyone's choice. However, when you post on a public forum, that's not very private!

Finally, I DO know that I would never get an abortion for any reason. I would rather die than take my baby's life.

Tegan - posted on 07/21/2013

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Abortion is best legal for we don't want women dying from backyard jobs. As for opinion, keep it private because one never knows until they are in a situation.

Teresa - posted on 05/10/2012

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Abortion IS a touchy subject and I can only speak from experience. I have asked for forgiveness for my past abortions, one was for a medical reasson, it was killing me, literally. I had been raped and was going to carry it and give it up for adoption but it was literally killing me. SO it was me or nothing. ANother was elective and it was so early that I have never felt any remorse. I did get pregnant again and gave it to my friends to adopt because I was young and the father was not helping and I wanted a better life for him. I have been in contact with the family since the beginning and I know God had his hand in that. Now, I am against abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. Even with rape, people have been born from it and have become excellent people. If you're willing to play then you must be willing to pay. If you are unfortunate enough to get raped like I was then don't make it even more traumatic by adding abortion to the situation, make something better of it and give a good couple a baby to raise. It can be so healing to see something so good come out of a bad situation.

Candyce - posted on 05/07/2012

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I agree with what you said! In fact I know of a woman that got pregnant due to rape and she kept the baby! He is her world now. I know she wouldn't change her decision for the world! I believe that God has a purpose and a plan for every life. :)

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The original question was

As Christains, what are your feeling on abortion when the pregnancy is caused by rape?

And I answered that question

Angela - posted on 05/06/2012

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Your answer is too simplistic Shyla and doesn't show consideration research based on empirical evidence that it's an effective and realistic answer.

I get the impression that most of the contributors to this thread are thinking is that women who get abortions do so because they don't want a baby. This (so I've heard) isn't the truth. Women who get abortions do so because they don't want to be pregnant.

To suggest the pregnant mother should "keep the child or give it up for adoption" doesn't address this. Also, as I stated in an earlier post, there are far, far more babies aborted than there are prospective adoptive parents. If every single couple who wanted a family via adoption got to adopt 4 babies who would have otherwise been aborted, there would still be vast numbers of unwanted children (or vast numbers of abortions). And I actually mean young unwanted BABIES and NOT older children awaiting adoption (of whom there are far too many). An over-abundance of small babies available for adoption would also completely eliminate the already very slim chances of those older children seeking a family.

My solution to the abortion problem is education. Educate people about what really happens in abortion. Educate them so they don't get pregnant in the first place. Educate truthfully without drama or propaganda. Plain, honest, unvarnished facts without either exaggeration or understatement. And educate them before they're old enough to get pregnant (or get anyone pregnant). Keep updating the information as they get older.

That's my "solution". But I'm not holding my breath!

Angela - posted on 04/30/2012

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Most of us on a Christian Chat Forum feel abortion is wrong, Shyla. What's your solution though?

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Megan havemyou read the statistics! 20,000 children will age out of foster care this year alone. Most wont finish high school let alone college, they will be homeless poverty stricken, drug abusers the list goes on andm ost of the girls, because at 18 these girls have had no chance to become women, pregnant within a year. I comend your parents for adopting children. My husband and i will be foster parents as soon as i finish school. I hope to take care of as many kids as i can. (ill be a nurse) I just recently did a paper on adoption and foster care. Dont get me wrong there are good foster parents but there are so many bad ones who want to be paid. For me i will be probably trying to explain to my husband we cant afford to adopt them all.

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Tina, why would you say that when you don't know?? My parents fostered two children before adopting THREE of their own. There are many people who would be more than happy to adopt any child.

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So everyone is saying adoption is the answer right well tell me what happens after a mom gives up their child? I know foster kids my father being one and the horror stories they could tell you!if your child isnt perfect, pretty, or whatever enou he /she may never be adopted. My father was lucky he was placed with a family that didnt care about anything but that you needed family, they adopted my aunt who was mentally ill, my gay uncle, and fostered my dad until he aged out. Before you all talk about adoption and no abortions you should do something about those kids in foster care. Not just the perfct babies but the older ones or the sickly ones or the disabled. Dont say adoption until you know the truth about it and do something to help!

http://www.childrensaidsociety.org/issue...

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Regardless of how a child is created, it has a right to live and no one should take that right away from the baby. Does it make the baby any different than a baby who was conceived in love?



Carla, I have stood outside many an abortion clinic and never have I nor any of the people I was there with, shouted or acted out in any manner. We simply stood there, praying for the mother to change her mind. I think people need to stop perpetuating this crazy picture of pro-life advocates.

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Sarah, we have all made choices we later regretted, especially when we were younger. What you went through was horrific and you are right, one has to have walked in these shoes to really understand. God sees how you feel now about terminating the pregnancy and He does not see you as a murderer because you understood nothing of how soon a baby is a life, as many did not. When we innocently do something because of lack of knowledge, God does not hold us accountable. Now today I would think almost everyone understands that a baby is a life at the very firt moment of conception. So that is a different story and yet if a woman has endured a horrific experience such as incest or rape then God will help guide that woman or girl if she will only look to Him. God is wanting me to reassure you at this moment how much He loves you and He is taking good care of your little one. Serve Christ continually and you will be reunited one day as I will be with my baby that was from a rape. May God give you peace as you read this.

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I am a rape survivor and I was pregnant with his child. I was only thirteen and cried every night after the doctor confirmed my pregnancy. I was afraid I would not love the baby or that it would remind me of him. Abortion was one option I could not look at because this was a life inside of me that had not asked to come about and I knew did not deserve to die at my hands. I prayed every night for God to exact venge on my rapist if he was never going to be saved, and to do what He knew was best for my baby. At three months I miscarried late in the night and God took the little one home to be with him. One year later the rapist died in his vehicle from an apparent heart attack, but they were not for sure. God does not allow a baby to be conceived without a reason and who are we to play God and decide to gets to live and who gets to die? I will pray for anyone facing this issue that they allow God's will to be done.

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I have read all these posts and I understand where you are coming from however I also think that you forget that this is a very hard choice to make. I do not believe in abortion however I was raped when I was 15 and if a child resulted from this event I don't know that I could have kept the baby or even gone to term to give it up for adoption. I think I would have lost my own mind. TO have a reminder everyday growing inside of me of what that man did to me. To know that a part of him was growing in me. After it happened I wanted to scrape my skin off from the inside out. To make sure every reminder of this person was no where near me. As a woman who was raped I want to say that I could go through with the pregnancy and either keep the baby or give it away but I truly don't think I could. I took the morning after pill so that I could ensure that I didn't conceive.



All that being said I think Jamie you handled a difficult decision very well. When your friend calls you and wants to talk let her know that even though you may not agree with her choice you are there for you and your still her friend.

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Sarah, I am against abortion but I'll be honest enough to say that I've never been in a position when pregnant where there were problems and difficulties making abortion a possible option. I always think talk is cheap when you've not walked a mile in the other person's shoes.



I totally agree that people who canvas outside abortion clinics and harass the patients are wrong. I've heard a few stories in my time that horrified me.



Equally, people who canvas for "Pro-Abortion rights" in a busy town centre even approaching pregnant women for signatures are wrong. This happened to me when I was pregnant with my 3rd child. Firstly a man who was part of their group stepped forward towards me. As soon as he noticed I was pregnant, at least he had the good manners to retreat! One of his fellow demonstators (female) was far bolder though and came up to me nevertheless, I didn't sign the petition but didn't have the courage to say anything other than "not today, thankyou!" then I hurried off to do my shopping.



I hope you can find healing and peace of mind after your ordeal of rape and then abortion. As Carla says there is help available.



http://www.victimsofabortionspeakout.org...



http://www.victimsofabortion.com.au/



http://www.archtrust.org.uk/



http://www.victimsofchoice.org/

Carla - posted on 04/01/2012

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Sarah, honey, NO ONE can know what trauma is until they have gone through it themselves. And for people who claim the Name of Jesus, to judge these women, is shameful. Standing outside an abortion facility screaming, calling names, etc. is NOT the way to tell the world we have the Love of Jesus!



We should be praying for ALL those involved, the victim, the perpetrator (if rape), the child, and lastly, those who have found such a lucrative business out of peoples' dire situations.



I would urge you to find an abortion recovery group and attend a meeting. As I said in my post of 12/23/11, the pain sometimes lasts a lifetime. There IS help, honey, you don't have to go through this alone.



I pray God bless you with peace.

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virginia how can you acknowledge that if you have never been raped, you dont know what your talking about

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hi, im not a christian, but i am a rape victim. i was gang raped back in 2001 and i had a termination. when i was pregnant with my daughter i have now, to think when i read books and things and realised that this tiny thing even at implantation is working so hard to become a person. i feel so guilty about it now.

i dont think terminations are wrong but i do think that people who are getting one should be aware of exactly what is inside them, as nothing was explained to me at all.

i feel guilty everyday and feel like a murderer. i dont appreciate people judging and standing outside the clinic with their rosary beads and placards. i would not wish rape on anyone but i would like for once these people who stand outside could be in my shoes for just ten minutes to understand the reasons at the time.

im not looking for justification but im explaining it from my point of view.

to bring a baby into this world and then that baby asking you who their daddy is, to have to sit down and explain that, would be so hard. and unless anybody on this reply section has been raped then i dont really see why you should have an opinion on the subject at all.

i know their are adoptions, but to be raped is the hardest thing in the world, and to carry a baby who is the outcome of that rape would be unimaginable, its hard enough trying to get over it (which i never ever will) but to carry a child for 9 months would be horrific. live it, learn it!!

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I have a friend that was adopted. His birth mother was raped as a minor by a police officer she did not know well.



He's glad she stood by her beliefs and had the baby- put him up for adoption. He is a wonderful man of God. They have met, and she is so grateful she did what she knew was right.



I have trouble with abortion. I was 100% sure it was wrong. I even hated when people said "if the mother's life was at stake" Well, that is just called an early delivery, even if the baby has 0% chance of survival at their gestational age. My life was at stake and I guess I had an "abortion," but my child was given life saving measures! There is a huge difference between that and killing the child in utero before aborting. And what I have witnessed them do when the child happens to be born alive. It is criminal.



However, I am slowly changing to more of a "pro-choice" view. Not of abortion as a means to take a life, but for the woman to have say over her body. If I had my say in my own delivery my child would have been delivered a day early, and I would have suffered much less extreme version of what I had. I would not have dealt with the PTSD of almost dying, and I would have been able to see my child the day he was born rather than three days later. Women know their bodies. They should have say if there is an issue, and when the delivery should happen (I guess you could call that a termination of pregnancy)-



So, in the aspect of a woman having complete control over her body, I would say i'm pro-choice.

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You are an amazing friend you were there for her and maybe some day the friendship can be saved as it is not our place to judge But Gods that being said there is an amazing book out there called the atonment child By F Rivers and another story about a mother finding her Daughter that was put up for adoption after 77 years yes mom was raped but always felt part of her was missing when she thought about her baby for 77 years. In my heart i was not truly a christian till i truly became a mom and Saw my daugters heart beating when I was 8 weeks along up in till then i would of said it was okay but now knowing no abortion is wrong 100% of the time but in todays society so many have been numbed to the issues that if socity says its okay its okay no matter what the bible says,

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Ikia, I am very sorry for your loss. I would strongly urge you to ask your pastor to put you in touch with an abortion recovery group in your area. Women are finding out, even if they WANTED the abortion, that even years later, they are overcome with sorrow and loss, plus another emotion they didn't think would be there--guilt. Now in your case, your mother made the decision, so you have nothing to feel guilty about. If you can't find an agency in your area, message me back and I'll look, just let me know what state you are in.

God bless, honey, God CAN heal the ache in your heart. Get you and your boyfriend into church and ask for help. Get prayer, get counseling, then get better.

God bless, little darlin'.

Ikia - posted on 12/23/2011

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I think abortion is wrong.If it is the case is rape I think it is up to the mother what she wants to do cause you never know the baby may just bring her bad memories and what if she never grows to love the child after all. Now I will say this going through an abortion is hard I only know this because recently my mother forced me to have an abortion and im against it and now I can barely sleep or even look at a baby without wanting to cry. Me and my boyfriend are having a hard time through it. So I would not advise ANY women to get one.ITS PAINFUL!!

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I am so sorry for your loss of a good friend. I know personally that its a hard decision to make when a friend is considering abortion. I personally feel that there are 2 times when abortion is acceptable. 1 is when a mother is physically incapable of carrying and both child and mother would be lost. 2 is from a pregnancy resulted I'm a rape. A rape more then a violation of ones physical self, but also their spirit. It takes most rape victims years to trust or move on from what occurred. With that being said I know some out there would not only carry but keep the child that was a product of a rape, and for them I have the utmost respect. And I pray God keeps them close and gives them continued peace.

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Adoption always. This isn't really about rape really just an in general about it abortions/ adoption then i will get to what i think about rape.... In my family my mom always said if we EVER made a baby adoption or abortion was not an option that we were to raise the baby no matter what. She didn't want her grand baby off with someone else. That being said I am a mother now I got pregnant and although i was not raped i love my daughter more than ANYTHING. I look at her and see her father who i dislike greatly. I am reminded everyday of the situation and she looks exactly like him. But i love her so much that it doesn't matter she is a JOY! I was so blessed to have her given to me she changed me life and brought me to know God even more. She will be 3 in 2 weeks, I can't imagine my life without her.

A month after i had her I started to "date" my now husband we have an adorable son together and a little girl on the way. We met when i as pregnant but i was in no way able to be in a relationship at that point. My daughter knows him as her daddy and he has ALWAYS claimed her as his own. I am so blessed

In the case of rape.... I would hope the mother would see it as a blessing to them because children are truly a GIFT from God... and if they couldn't handle to keep the baby to give it to a person who was unable to have children through adoption... Abortion doesn't solve the "problem" it just creates another...

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I feel that if you were raped or if you feel like you couldn't be a good parent, the best choice is always adoption. Killing an innocent child should never be allowed to happen.

Carla - posted on 11/26/2011

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Thanks for your testimony, Teresa. That must have been devastating for you. I'm glad you have turned to the Father for comfort. My daughter and son-in-law adopted two beautiful children who are absolutely the apple of everyone's eyes. We couldn't possibly love them more, and usually I forget they ARE adopted. Some woman listened to the Lord and fulfilled my daughter's life--and ours. We are forever grateful.

As a Christian, Teresa, you can have hope for the baby that is in Heaven. You will be able to see him/her again, and until then, you know He rests in our Father's arms. I'm glad we had the good sense to run to a Father Who loves us more than anyone else ever could.

God bless, honey

Teresa - posted on 11/25/2011

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I was raped as a young teen AND got pregnant and had to get an abortion for health reasons. I also got pregnant at 20 and gacve a child up for adoption to a christian family that gave him what I coukdn't, a stable homelife. Iv'e done both and the abortion is much harder to get over, at least with the adoption, i had hope. I want more youn women to knoe that they are more than their bodies and that adoption is a very sensable and self-sacrificing act.

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I am pro-life. I'm not one to judge because that's not my jOb to do so. Being a rape victim myself (did not get pregnant because I was only 12 and hadn't gone through "the change") I could never imagine aborting a child that was placed in my body. It would be a sign to me that I am a survivor and I can make it through anything.
Just like it is not my job to judge, it is not my job to kill either.
About two year ago a friend of mine got pregnant (not by rape) and was considering abortion. I sat down and talked with her (I was very emotional) and pleaded and prayed for her and with her to help change her heart and mind. At the time I didn't think it had worked. So I told her that my husband and I would adopt the baby and foot all the medical bills if she would just be safe and healthy. A few days later she said she was going to abort the baby. To make a long story short we talked again before the appointment and now almost two years later (tomorrow on 11/12/11) we are celebrating the baby girls 2nd birthday!!
She is my best friend and we have talked about that time often and she thanks me every day for sticking by her and helping her make the right choice. She is a wonderful SINGLE strong mother.
So for me I'm always going to be prolife and will try to talk and inform people about other options like adoption! I can't imagine killing such a sweet innocent baby for my careless ways!!!

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