Abortion - Touchy subject!

Teresa - posted on 05/10/2012

Abortion IS a touchy subject and I can only speak from experience. I have asked for forgiveness for my past abortions, one was for a medical reasson, it was killing me, literally. I had been raped and was going to carry it and give it up for adoption but it was literally killing me. SO it was me or nothing. ANother was elective and it was so early that I have never felt any remorse. I did get pregnant again and gave it to my friends to adopt because I was young and the father was not helping and I wanted a better life for him. I have been in contact with the family since the beginning and I know God had his hand in that. Now, I am against abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. Even with rape, people have been born from it and have become excellent people. If you're willing to play then you must be willing to pay. If you are unfortunate enough to get raped like I was then don't make it even more traumatic by adding abortion to the situation, make something better of it and give a good couple a baby to raise. It can be so healing to see something so good come out of a bad situation.

Candyce - posted on 05/07/2012

I agree with what you said! In fact I know of a woman that got pregnant due to rape and she kept the baby! He is her world now. I know she wouldn't change her decision for the world! I believe that God has a purpose and a plan for every life. :)

Proud - posted on 05/07/2012

The original question was

As Christains, what are your feeling on abortion when the pregnancy is caused by rape?

And I answered that question

Angela - posted on 05/06/2012

Your answer is too simplistic Shyla and doesn't show consideration research based on empirical evidence that it's an effective and realistic answer.

I get the impression that most of the contributors to this thread are thinking is that women who get abortions do so because they don't want a baby. This (so I've heard) isn't the truth. Women who get abortions do so because they don't want to be pregnant.

To suggest the pregnant mother should "keep the child or give it up for adoption" doesn't address this. Also, as I stated in an earlier post, there are far, far more babies aborted than there are prospective adoptive parents. If every single couple who wanted a family via adoption got to adopt 4 babies who would have otherwise been aborted, there would still be vast numbers of unwanted children (or vast numbers of abortions). And I actually mean young unwanted BABIES and NOT older children awaiting adoption (of whom there are far too many). An over-abundance of small babies available for adoption would also completely eliminate the already very slim chances of those older children seeking a family.

My solution to the abortion problem is education. Educate people about what really happens in abortion. Educate them so they don't get pregnant in the first place. Educate truthfully without drama or propaganda. Plain, honest, unvarnished facts without either exaggeration or understatement. And educate them before they're old enough to get pregnant (or get anyone pregnant). Keep updating the information as they get older.

That's my "solution". But I'm not holding my breath!

Proud - posted on 04/30/2012

Keep the child or give it up for adoption

Angela - posted on 04/30/2012

Most of us on a Christian Chat Forum feel abortion is wrong, Shyla. What's your solution though?

Proud - posted on 04/29/2012

I feel abortion is wrong no matter what the situation.

TINA - posted on 04/26/2012

Megan havemyou read the statistics! 20,000 children will age out of foster care this year alone. Most wont finish high school let alone college, they will be homeless poverty stricken, drug abusers the list goes on andm ost of the girls, because at 18 these girls have had no chance to become women, pregnant within a year. I comend your parents for adopting children. My husband and i will be foster parents as soon as i finish school. I hope to take care of as many kids as i can. (ill be a nurse) I just recently did a paper on adoption and foster care. Dont get me wrong there are good foster parents but there are so many bad ones who want to be paid. For me i will be probably trying to explain to my husband we cant afford to adopt them all.

Megan - posted on 04/26/2012

Tina, why would you say that when you don't know?? My parents fostered two children before adopting THREE of their own. There are many people who would be more than happy to adopt any child.

Angela - posted on 04/26/2012

There is evidence that if no-one who wanted an abortion actually got an abortion and all the babies destined to be aborted were, in fact adopted by couples who wanted to adopt a baby, there would be far more babies available for adoption than parents who wanted to adopt - thousands in fact - and that's in the UK alone. Therefore more babies are being conceived than are wanted by anyone! And that's BABIES - it's doesn't even begin to address the issues of older children who are waiting for adoptive parents.

I am opposed to abortion but I feel it's very dishonest not to take stock of the full facts.

Abortion is not going to be stopped by offering adoption as an alternative; abortion will only be curtailed by more education for women (and couples) before they even get pregnant. Plain cold facts rather than emotive presentations will be more effective. Offering adoption as an alternative may work for one pregnant woman/girl at a time (and not many will embrace the idea). On a grand scale, even if every single woman considering abortion went down the adoption route - it doesn't work, the sheer numbers show it wouldn't work.

TINA - posted on 04/25/2012

So everyone is saying adoption is the answer right well tell me what happens after a mom gives up their child? I know foster kids my father being one and the horror stories they could tell you!if your child isnt perfect, pretty, or whatever enou he /she may never be adopted. My father was lucky he was placed with a family that didnt care about anything but that you needed family, they adopted my aunt who was mentally ill, my gay uncle, and fostered my dad until he aged out. Before you all talk about adoption and no abortions you should do something about those kids in foster care. Not just the perfct babies but the older ones or the sickly ones or the disabled. Dont say adoption until you know the truth about it and do something to help!

http://www.childrensaidsociety.org/issue...

Megan - posted on 04/25/2012

Two wrongs don't make a right. Regardless of how a child is created, it has a right to live and no one should take that right away from the baby. Does it make the baby any different than a baby who was conceived in love?



Carla, I have stood outside many an abortion clinic and never have I nor any of the people I was there with, shouted or acted out in any manner. We simply stood there, praying for the mother to change her mind. I think people need to stop perpetuating this crazy picture of pro-life advocates.

Carol - posted on 04/21/2012

Sarah, we have all made choices we later regretted, especially when we were younger. What you went through was horrific and you are right, one has to have walked in these shoes to really understand. God sees how you feel now about terminating the pregnancy and He does not see you as a murderer because you understood nothing of how soon a baby is a life, as many did not. When we innocently do something because of lack of knowledge, God does not hold us accountable. Now today I would think almost everyone understands that a baby is a life at the very firt moment of conception. So that is a different story and yet if a woman has endured a horrific experience such as incest or rape then God will help guide that woman or girl if she will only look to Him. God is wanting me to reassure you at this moment how much He loves you and He is taking good care of your little one. Serve Christ continually and you will be reunited one day as I will be with my baby that was from a rape. May God give you peace as you read this.

Carol - posted on 04/21/2012

I am a rape survivor and I was pregnant with his child. I was only thirteen and cried every night after the doctor confirmed my pregnancy. I was afraid I would not love the baby or that it would remind me of him. Abortion was one option I could not look at because this was a life inside of me that had not asked to come about and I knew did not deserve to die at my hands. I prayed every night for God to exact venge on my rapist if he was never going to be saved, and to do what He knew was best for my baby. At three months I miscarried late in the night and God took the little one home to be with him. One year later the rapist died in his vehicle from an apparent heart attack, but they were not for sure. God does not allow a baby to be conceived without a reason and who are we to play God and decide to gets to live and who gets to die? I will pray for anyone facing this issue that they allow God's will to be done.

Lori - posted on 04/20/2012

This is such a subject for prayer isn't it. Wow. I agree with you

lori



http://myseedsoffaith.com/

TINA - posted on 04/06/2012

I have read all these posts and I understand where you are coming from however I also think that you forget that this is a very hard choice to make. I do not believe in abortion however I was raped when I was 15 and if a child resulted from this event I don't know that I could have kept the baby or even gone to term to give it up for adoption. I think I would have lost my own mind. TO have a reminder everyday growing inside of me of what that man did to me. To know that a part of him was growing in me. After it happened I wanted to scrape my skin off from the inside out. To make sure every reminder of this person was no where near me. As a woman who was raped I want to say that I could go through with the pregnancy and either keep the baby or give it away but I truly don't think I could. I took the morning after pill so that I could ensure that I didn't conceive.



All that being said I think Jamie you handled a difficult decision very well. When your friend calls you and wants to talk let her know that even though you may not agree with her choice you are there for you and your still her friend.

Angela - posted on 04/01/2012

Sarah, I am against abortion but I'll be honest enough to say that I've never been in a position when pregnant where there were problems and difficulties making abortion a possible option. I always think talk is cheap when you've not walked a mile in the other person's shoes.



I totally agree that people who canvas outside abortion clinics and harass the patients are wrong. I've heard a few stories in my time that horrified me.



Equally, people who canvas for "Pro-Abortion rights" in a busy town centre even approaching pregnant women for signatures are wrong. This happened to me when I was pregnant with my 3rd child. Firstly a man who was part of their group stepped forward towards me. As soon as he noticed I was pregnant, at least he had the good manners to retreat! One of his fellow demonstators (female) was far bolder though and came up to me nevertheless, I didn't sign the petition but didn't have the courage to say anything other than "not today, thankyou!" then I hurried off to do my shopping.



I hope you can find healing and peace of mind after your ordeal of rape and then abortion. As Carla says there is help available.



http://www.victimsofabortionspeakout.org...



http://www.victimsofabortion.com.au/



http://www.archtrust.org.uk/



http://www.victimsofchoice.org/

Carla - posted on 04/01/2012

Sarah, honey, NO ONE can know what trauma is until they have gone through it themselves. And for people who claim the Name of Jesus, to judge these women, is shameful. Standing outside an abortion facility screaming, calling names, etc. is NOT the way to tell the world we have the Love of Jesus!



We should be praying for ALL those involved, the victim, the perpetrator (if rape), the child, and lastly, those who have found such a lucrative business out of peoples' dire situations.



I would urge you to find an abortion recovery group and attend a meeting. As I said in my post of 12/23/11, the pain sometimes lasts a lifetime. There IS help, honey, you don't have to go through this alone.



I pray God bless you with peace.

Sarah - posted on 03/31/2012

virginia how can you acknowledge that if you have never been raped, you dont know what your talking about

Sarah - posted on 03/31/2012

hi, im not a christian, but i am a rape victim. i was gang raped back in 2001 and i had a termination. when i was pregnant with my daughter i have now, to think when i read books and things and realised that this tiny thing even at implantation is working so hard to become a person. i feel so guilty about it now.

i dont think terminations are wrong but i do think that people who are getting one should be aware of exactly what is inside them, as nothing was explained to me at all.

i feel guilty everyday and feel like a murderer. i dont appreciate people judging and standing outside the clinic with their rosary beads and placards. i would not wish rape on anyone but i would like for once these people who stand outside could be in my shoes for just ten minutes to understand the reasons at the time.

im not looking for justification but im explaining it from my point of view.

to bring a baby into this world and then that baby asking you who their daddy is, to have to sit down and explain that, would be so hard. and unless anybody on this reply section has been raped then i dont really see why you should have an opinion on the subject at all.

i know their are adoptions, but to be raped is the hardest thing in the world, and to carry a baby who is the outcome of that rape would be unimaginable, its hard enough trying to get over it (which i never ever will) but to carry a child for 9 months would be horrific. live it, learn it!!

Jamie - posted on 01/14/2012

I have a friend that was adopted. His birth mother was raped as a minor by a police officer she did not know well.



He's glad she stood by her beliefs and had the baby- put him up for adoption. He is a wonderful man of God. They have met, and she is so grateful she did what she knew was right.



I have trouble with abortion. I was 100% sure it was wrong. I even hated when people said "if the mother's life was at stake" Well, that is just called an early delivery, even if the baby has 0% chance of survival at their gestational age. My life was at stake and I guess I had an "abortion," but my child was given life saving measures! There is a huge difference between that and killing the child in utero before aborting. And what I have witnessed them do when the child happens to be born alive. It is criminal.



However, I am slowly changing to more of a "pro-choice" view. Not of abortion as a means to take a life, but for the woman to have say over her body. If I had my say in my own delivery my child would have been delivered a day early, and I would have suffered much less extreme version of what I had. I would not have dealt with the PTSD of almost dying, and I would have been able to see my child the day he was born rather than three days later. Women know their bodies. They should have say if there is an issue, and when the delivery should happen (I guess you could call that a termination of pregnancy)-



So, in the aspect of a woman having complete control over her body, I would say i'm pro-choice.

Suzie - posted on 01/05/2012

You are an amazing friend you were there for her and maybe some day the friendship can be saved as it is not our place to judge But Gods that being said there is an amazing book out there called the atonment child By F Rivers and another story about a mother finding her Daughter that was put up for adoption after 77 years yes mom was raped but always felt part of her was missing when she thought about her baby for 77 years. In my heart i was not truly a christian till i truly became a mom and Saw my daugters heart beating when I was 8 weeks along up in till then i would of said it was okay but now knowing no abortion is wrong 100% of the time but in todays society so many have been numbed to the issues that if socity says its okay its okay no matter what the bible says,

Carla - posted on 12/23/2011

Ikia, I am very sorry for your loss. I would strongly urge you to ask your pastor to put you in touch with an abortion recovery group in your area. Women are finding out, even if they WANTED the abortion, that even years later, they are overcome with sorrow and loss, plus another emotion they didn't think would be there--guilt. Now in your case, your mother made the decision, so you have nothing to feel guilty about. If you can't find an agency in your area, message me back and I'll look, just let me know what state you are in.

God bless, honey, God CAN heal the ache in your heart. Get you and your boyfriend into church and ask for help. Get prayer, get counseling, then get better.

God bless, little darlin'.

Ikia - posted on 12/23/2011

I think abortion is wrong.If it is the case is rape I think it is up to the mother what she wants to do cause you never know the baby may just bring her bad memories and what if she never grows to love the child after all. Now I will say this going through an abortion is hard I only know this because recently my mother forced me to have an abortion and im against it and now I can barely sleep or even look at a baby without wanting to cry. Me and my boyfriend are having a hard time through it. So I would not advise ANY women to get one.ITS PAINFUL!!

Christyanna - posted on 12/05/2011

I am so sorry for your loss of a good friend. I know personally that its a hard decision to make when a friend is considering abortion. I personally feel that there are 2 times when abortion is acceptable. 1 is when a mother is physically incapable of carrying and both child and mother would be lost. 2 is from a pregnancy resulted I'm a rape. A rape more then a violation of ones physical self, but also their spirit. It takes most rape victims years to trust or move on from what occurred. With that being said I know some out there would not only carry but keep the child that was a product of a rape, and for them I have the utmost respect. And I pray God keeps them close and gives them continued peace.

Lindsey - posted on 12/02/2011

Adoption always. This isn't really about rape really just an in general about it abortions/ adoption then i will get to what i think about rape.... In my family my mom always said if we EVER made a baby adoption or abortion was not an option that we were to raise the baby no matter what. She didn't want her grand baby off with someone else. That being said I am a mother now I got pregnant and although i was not raped i love my daughter more than ANYTHING. I look at her and see her father who i dislike greatly. I am reminded everyday of the situation and she looks exactly like him. But i love her so much that it doesn't matter she is a JOY! I was so blessed to have her given to me she changed me life and brought me to know God even more. She will be 3 in 2 weeks, I can't imagine my life without her.

A month after i had her I started to "date" my now husband we have an adorable son together and a little girl on the way. We met when i as pregnant but i was in no way able to be in a relationship at that point. My daughter knows him as her daddy and he has ALWAYS claimed her as his own. I am so blessed

In the case of rape.... I would hope the mother would see it as a blessing to them because children are truly a GIFT from God... and if they couldn't handle to keep the baby to give it to a person who was unable to have children through adoption... Abortion doesn't solve the "problem" it just creates another...

Jen - posted on 11/28/2011

I feel that if you were raped or if you feel like you couldn't be a good parent, the best choice is always adoption. Killing an innocent child should never be allowed to happen.

Carla - posted on 11/26/2011

Thanks for your testimony, Teresa. That must have been devastating for you. I'm glad you have turned to the Father for comfort. My daughter and son-in-law adopted two beautiful children who are absolutely the apple of everyone's eyes. We couldn't possibly love them more, and usually I forget they ARE adopted. Some woman listened to the Lord and fulfilled my daughter's life--and ours. We are forever grateful.

As a Christian, Teresa, you can have hope for the baby that is in Heaven. You will be able to see him/her again, and until then, you know He rests in our Father's arms. I'm glad we had the good sense to run to a Father Who loves us more than anyone else ever could.

God bless, honey

Teresa - posted on 11/25/2011

I was raped as a young teen AND got pregnant and had to get an abortion for health reasons. I also got pregnant at 20 and gacve a child up for adoption to a christian family that gave him what I coukdn't, a stable homelife. Iv'e done both and the abortion is much harder to get over, at least with the adoption, i had hope. I want more youn women to knoe that they are more than their bodies and that adoption is a very sensable and self-sacrificing act.

Jaycee - posted on 11/11/2011

I am pro-life. I'm not one to judge because that's not my jOb to do so. Being a rape victim myself (did not get pregnant because I was only 12 and hadn't gone through "the change") I could never imagine aborting a child that was placed in my body. It would be a sign to me that I am a survivor and I can make it through anything.
Just like it is not my job to judge, it is not my job to kill either.
About two year ago a friend of mine got pregnant (not by rape) and was considering abortion. I sat down and talked with her (I was very emotional) and pleaded and prayed for her and with her to help change her heart and mind. At the time I didn't think it had worked. So I told her that my husband and I would adopt the baby and foot all the medical bills if she would just be safe and healthy. A few days later she said she was going to abort the baby. To make a long story short we talked again before the appointment and now almost two years later (tomorrow on 11/12/11) we are celebrating the baby girls 2nd birthday!!
She is my best friend and we have talked about that time often and she thanks me every day for sticking by her and helping her make the right choice. She is a wonderful SINGLE strong mother.
So for me I'm always going to be prolife and will try to talk and inform people about other options like adoption! I can't imagine killing such a sweet innocent baby for my careless ways!!!

Carla - posted on 11/08/2011

Dear User--your sarcasm is not lost here. I have a feeling you have been very hurt by the Church. For that I'm sorry. But the post was in poor taste. Maybe you should think about deleting it. At any rate, whether you do or don't, we will pray for the bitterness you feel. God didn't hurt you, people did. People are human, and do make mistakes. I pray you are able to forgive them and move on. If you wish to speak privately, you can message me.

God bless

Jeannette - posted on 11/08/2011

@User, I am not sure I get what all you are trying to say. Your example for example, should she have been getting abortions all along? Or are you just thanking God she and some of her "brood" caught AIDS and died?
I also do not understand the part about the church and rape and how the church is the second rapist and the real rapist goes to prison. Could you repost with a better breakdown?

Jeannette - posted on 11/04/2011

I personally could not have an abortion, even in the case of rape. It is extremely likely that I would give the baby up for adoption. I am a different woman than many. I do not assume that all women can handle, or would choose to handle, what I can/would. So, if another person were to be raped and became pregnant and went on to have an abortion...it is about what they can handle I think.

Teresa - posted on 11/03/2011

Unless you walk in her shoes, don't judge.

Cyndel - posted on 10/20/2011

There own decision but my thought is this a)"why punish the child for the sin of the father...it is the father that deserves to die not the baby." b)"will it really make her feel any better, make things any easier to kill an innocent child? Yeah she will live with the reminder of the rape through out her pregnancy and the life of the child should she choose to keep it and not give it up for adoption, but with the trauma I've seen women who willingly had sex then had an abortion go through because of the guilt for the abortion, I can only imagine that trauma on top of the trauma of the rape."

Ivana - posted on 10/20/2011

Hey Mom.

I'm your baby. You do not know me,I am just a couple weeks old. Soon you will know Me, I promise. Let me tell you something about yourself? I am girl ,You will call me Dora , I have beautiful blue eyes and brown hair. I do not have, but I'll have after delivery. I want to be a doctor when I grow up, you will become supported me. Right? I love you mom!

Mom, now you were so happy, all you're talking about me, you have a beautiful smile when you talk about me so you're happy. Today you told dad that you were pregnant, did not seem happy, seemed to be angry, why mama? Does he not love me,? He was not happy as you. Then he did something terrible, and hit you , I felt you, fell and how you protect my hands, I'm fine, but I fear for you, say you forgive me and you loves you, but why was it done?I do not like mama!

Finally I can see, you stomach is a little bigger, and you are very proud of me. Today you went with your mom and bought cloth for me, you were so happy. I also sing, you have the most beautiful voice in the world. And when you talk to me I feel so safe, I love you all my little heart!

Mom, I can move arms and legs! When you put your hands on your stomach, you tickle me and move, and then you laugh, I love you mom!

Today's dad came again, and again hit you, he said that you had to abort and he does not want me, saddened me, but my mom, what means an abortion? Tell me, why he does not love me?

You have not told me, mama, is everithyng all right?

It's been three days since you've seen my dad, you touched your stomach, you sang to me, you told me nothing, right you love me? I still love you with all your heart. I think you're sad!

I was 21 weeks old, mom, are you proud of me? Let's go somewhere, somewhere where we never been , I am excited, it looks like a hospital! Have I told you when I grow up I want to be a doctor? I hope you are as excited as I do, I can not wait!

Mama, I'm afraid. Your heart is rapidly beating, Doctors talking with you, I have a feeling that something bad will happen. Very, very, very, very, scared mama, tell me you love me please, please you! I love you!

Mamaaaaaa, what are they doing? It hurts mee, tell them to stop, terribly hurt me, please, Mommy, help me, pleaseeee.

Do not worry Mom, I'm safe, now I am with the angels in heaven. They told me what you did, and it's called an abortion!
Why, why? Why did you do that? Don't you love me? Mama, I'm very sorry, am I done something wrong? I love you. I love you with all my heart, but why did you kill me?What do I do if I make it? Mama, I want to live. It hurts when you do not care for me, I do not wish to be there, I want you to love me again, I want to be a doctor, what have I done to have me killed? Mama, I love you.

I really love you mama!

HEART that will not knock.
Eyes that will not look.
Hand that it will never touch them.
Legs that will not run.
Mouth will speak.

Heather - posted on 09/06/2011

I hope that all of you will indulge me a moment to tell a little of my story. I have been a Christian ever since I was about 7 years old. It wasn't until I was in high school and had some very liberal teachers when I became a "fence post Christian" when it came to abortion. What I mean by "fence post Christian" is that I felt that abortion was wrong in any situation except in those that involved rape and incest. I had the opportunity to work with two absolutely wonderful and dear Christian women when I worked in the hospital doing ultrasounds. You name it, I probably scanned it. OB work eventually became my favorite exam to do. Not only did I enjoy interacting with the families, but what always had me in awe (and still does) is to see a fetal heart beat for the very first moment. I have since had the opportunity to show this to women who are contimplating abortion and even to a woman who went through the process, but the physician performing the procedure was in too much of a hurry and the abortion wasn't done like he thought it was. (Praise God!) It was through this process and through my co-workers that my eyes were opened and I began to understand that no matter how a baby is conceived, only God knows the plans that He has for that child and not us. It is not up to us to decide who is to live and who is to die. Now, with that being said, I do know what it is like to help fund an abortion. I'm not proud of it and it saddens me every day that I was forced to do something that I abhor. I don't want to get into anymore details than that. I will say that I do wish that I would have had enough of a backbone at that time of my young age to stand up to the person who was forcing me to "help" in this situation. I hope that this was helpful and thank you for indulging me in allowing me to tell my story.

Andrea - posted on 09/04/2011

I think the rape victim should ask Jaycee Duggard, the kidknapped child of untold horrible afflictions. In an interview she shares "How do you get through things you dont want to do? You just do. I would do it all over again. The most precious thing in the world came out of it...my daughters."
I do not know if Jaycee is a Believer, but I do know that she has seen the hand of God through the mothering of her children... Out of unmeasurable evil came good in the form of motherhood. Everyone should read her story.

Shanea - posted on 09/02/2011

As christians abortion is not a touchy subject at all! Or should I say true followers of Christ beacuse everyone is a "christian" these days. But as followers of christ WHAT DOES GOD's WORD SAY ABOUT ABORTION? God has a purpose and plan for every life no matter how it came about. But in the case of rape Deuteronomy 24:16 says Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers, each is to die for his own sin. Rape is trumatic enough by itself so does adding an abortion which is also trumatic to the situation take away the first violation that has happened? Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death. I don't say this to judge for women who have had an abortion(s) God is loving and forgiving and he will heal. But at the same time as belivers we have to stop looking to the ways of this world for our answers God sets the standard that we live by not this world. We are in this world but not of it. Just sharing the truth in love.

Lindsey - posted on 09/01/2011

I've thought of this a million times. I think I would have to be in the situation to honestly say what I would do. I don;t think I oculd ever even consider it. It would be difficult to carry ones child who did that to me, but what if timing was so close to you being with your husband that you didn't know whose it was. I think I would have the baby,and decide later to keep or place he or she for adoption

Toni - posted on 08/26/2011

I agree. In my opinion, it is always wrong to take the life of an unborn baby. Rape isn't something I wish upon anyone, but if there is a baby produced, like you said, there is always adoption. Or you could look at that baby and know that you survived and love that baby 10 times more! It is NOT the baby's fault.

Carla - posted on 08/24/2011

Grace abounds when we accidentally sin, Teresa, but I wouldn't want to test that theory of abounding grace when we deliberately sin. A situation of rape does not take God by surprise, and He always has a solution to a situation if we take the time to listen for it.

Is rape heinous? Yes. But if we were attacked in, say, a robbery, and our arm was damaged, would we cut the arm off so we weren't reminded of the attack? The world has introduced something vile and evil in allowing women to abort their babies, and we could see it back in the 50s and 60s when abortion was first legal just for when the mother's life was in jeopardy. Once sin has the door opened, it knocks it down and comes in with a bang. Again I say, committing a sin to cover up another's sin doesn't make sense. We are called to be better. If we are Christians, we HAVE to believe in the sanctity of Life, all Life, not just the ones we feel are worthy, or that fit in with our lives.

God bless, all

Teresa - posted on 08/24/2011

It's still wrong. taking human life is never right but I would certainly understand a woman who could not carry her rapists child. Grace abounds.

Lareashia - posted on 08/23/2011

Falls under thou shall not kill in the 10 commandments. Opens a door to condone murder

Sheila - posted on 08/21/2011

The baby is not just made of him, but also of you. Although it's sad how it happen, it's not the fault of the child that it should have to die. Find the child a good home if it is more then you can handle and ask God for healing and peace in your heart.

Sheila - posted on 08/21/2011

The baby is not just made of him, but also of you. Although it's sad how it happen, it's not the fault of the child that it should have to die. Find the child a good home if it is more then you can handle and ask God for healing and peace in your heart.

Angie - posted on 08/21/2011

It is wrong to take a life no matter what, to me it is selfishness, it wasn't the baby fault, I say give it to a loving family.

Carla - posted on 08/19/2011

@Angela, I guess this is another topic where we will agree to disagree. Any group that urges to leave my Christian testimony out of a dangerous situation in order to increase the numbers is not where I am going to put my time and efforts. I may never get to speak to that woman again. How could I look myself in the mirror if I didn't tell her, just not to abort her baby, but how to cope with the life she created as well? Abortion is not just something you 'come up' with--it's a symptom of the larger heart issue underneath. Abortion is selfish. 'I don't care about a baby, I don't care about the father, I don't care about another couple that would die for a baby, it's all about me'. This mind set is completely contrary to God's will, and THIS is what needs to be dealt with.

God bless, all

Angela - posted on 08/19/2011

@Julie - I understand what you mean. However the whole abortion debate would be much clearer with more honesty from those on both sides about what abortion actually involves. Years ago, the pro-lifers used pictures of foetuses in various stages of development saying these were aborted babies. The Pro-choice lobby said this was "propoganda" the photos weren't accurate etc ... Then it was admitted that the photos of these foetuses WERE accurate and true but WEREN'T photos of aborted babies, they were photos of miscarried babies. Unfortunately, this was true. The fact is, aborted infants may have looked like that before the abortion was carried out but when the means of abortion is surgical, they are torn to pieces - the photos of this are far worse than photos of miscarried children! The damage to the foetus where abortion is carried out medically (rather than surgically) is less - but still isn't pretty. And of course genuine abortion photos are a lot harder to get hold of to use in the debate.

Since that time, the genuine photos are now available for viewing on websites etc ... Many pro-lifers and pro-choicers alike have never seen such photos. Most would be shocked to the core upon viewing these pictures.

Although I have always been against abortion and have never had one myself, I found myself mellowing at one point a couple of years ago and thinking that perhaps abortion was a "necessary evil". That was before I saw these photos. I truly believe that most potential candidates for abortion would think differently if they saw these photos. Not only would they have their babies, but also be glad they saw these pictures and got the chance to opt out of being part of that carnage.

My guess is that the Christian people you know who have had abortions or pushed their daughters into abortion haven't seen these pictures. A picture paints a thousand words. But be warned - it's distressing even if you HAVEN'T had an abortion yourself.

It's also VERY wrong to push another person into abortion. Even the "pro-choice" lobby will tell you that.

Stacie - posted on 08/19/2011

Carla has a good point. All the women I corresponded with about their abortion experiences could only find a way to deal with their guilt, pain, remorse was to turn to God. They all wish abortion wasn't an option, and how much better it would have been for all of them to have that religious conviction prior and never had the abortion.

But Angela is on to something as well. I found through my limited research that women turn to abortion out of fear or desperation. Most know deep down it's wrong, but rationalize it, or believe what abortionists tell them about their baby being a mass of cells and not human. (Not sure how that logically makes sense, but there it is.) I think what would help the most is to have someone to listen to situation, and provide some viable options, which is something sidewalk couselors do. The Austin Coalition for Life is great about this. They have volunteers as sidewalk counselors, and others who simple stand near abortion clinics and pray. It doesn't save every woman from that wretched experience, but it does save some.