Confused...

Krys - posted on 08/20/2010

Ty for your response and as i read it i was sorta confused bc i read the chapter of 2 peter chp 2 and i didnt think this was talking of "salvation" but of teachers and false teachers..and i have never bashed any gay or bi ppl and i would never rather i knew them or i didnt. I realize everyone is going to believe different on many different levels but i really would like to understand how that scripture refers to "salvation" ..i was always taught that Being a child of God.. if you continue to sin that he would take you out ..(as in death) and that it was like you cant take a child from its mother they will always be blood related , and a preacher use to use this quote and if i find its a verse ill try to find it but it talks abt how no one can pluck you out of Gods hands... i am not debating ..i just would like to know how that scripture lays this out for you to interpret it that way. Myself i was saved when i was 22 and although my life has never been perfect God has never left me and i believe in the forgiveness of sin..i dont take it lightly. I really fear for those who take it so lightly and i never judged anyone during this just more of a wonder really bc i know when i sin i feel convicted. Bt ty again and hope my questions have not offended anyone.

Lacy - posted on 08/20/2010

Our church does not believe in the concept "once saved, always saved" And u are right...it is an abomination...and we didn't say it, the scripture does...I mean, that is the way, the truth, and the, light....NOW....we are to love everyone, including those who are commiting sins...Jesus hung out with sinners...aren't they the ones who truly need him? As far as your beliefs, continue to stand by them...And remember...just because someone is a good person, doesn't make them a Christian...there is a HUGE difference..

Carla - posted on 08/20/2010

There is a very fine line here, Kyrs. First, it sounds like this friend of yours is trying to cause a little trouble. First she says your profile sounds gay, then when you respond, she criticizes because you sound repulsed. I think delete your response to the first attack, and let it go. People are going to think what they want to think.



Second, homosexuality is an abomination to God. Romans talks in depth about this (Romans 1:24-32). IF you base your life according to the New Testament, gay or bi does not fit in. We are told, over and over, to marry, be a Godly wife, and bear Godly children. We have a husband and wife, not wife/wife or husband/husband.



We can lose our salvation through continued sin after we come to Christ ( 2 Peter 2:20-22) 'For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.' This chapter also deals with homosexuals, too, so it's good to read the entire chapter. That being said, we are to love them, and win them to Christ, not call them names. We live our lives before them in love. Love will bring them to Jesus, not being mean to them.



As for judging others in the church, we have had an in-depth conversation about that on Christian mommies: I Corinthians 6:12-13: 'For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are WITHOUT God judges. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.' (emphasis mine) Paul is saying that we are to judge the people in our church that say they are Christians, but not walking according to the Word. GOD judges the people outside the church, we MUST judge the ones that affect our church.



I hope this clears things up, God bless!

Theresa - posted on 08/20/2010

I think there are two different things here, being gay (having feelings toward someone of the same sex) and acting on it. I belive you can have gay tendencies and still be Christian and saved, however if you are acting on those tendencies you are sinning. However that sinning is no worse then someone lieing, cheating, stealing, etc. A sin is a sin is a sin. God says all sins are equal. I think gay people have to face the same dilemmas that straight people have to face. There is sexual immorality in just as many straight people. I know lots of "Christians" that are having sex outside of marriage. That is also a sin (not condeming, been there done that). Bottom line is EVERYONE sins and we have no right to judge another for their sins, that is God's job. You have every right to have your beliefs on different issues, including homosexuality, just remember even though God hates the sin he LOVES the sinner. I hear lots of "Christians" gay bashing. I believe they are sinning just as much (maybe more) as the gays that they're bashing. We can love a person without loving the choices they make.