10 Reasons Why Being Gay is WRONG!!!

Sara - posted on 03/02/2010 ( 333 moms have responded )

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01) Being gay is not natural.
♥ And real Americans always reject unnatural things like polyester, and air conditioning, tattoos, piercings


02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay,
♥in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.


03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior.
♥People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.


04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all;
♥Hence why women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.


05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed;
♥And we can't let the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage be destroyed.


06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children.
♥So therefore, gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our population isn't out of control, our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.


07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children,
♥Since of course straight parents only raise straight children.


08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion.
♥In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.


09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home.
♥ Which is exactly why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.


10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms.
♥Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

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Shelley - posted on 03/18/2010

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Iris,
you bring up a great point
I can't accept any sin. i know that i sin and that no sin is greater than any other. the punishment that i am truely deserving of is death/hell but by the grace of my lord and savior he has taken the punishment for me that i may have eternal life.

I appreciate their honesty and i do not stand to judge them but the bible tells me to not condone it to not take part in it.

Iris - posted on 03/18/2010

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Michelle,

What makes yours sins so much less than your homosexual friends that you wouldn't grant them your vote to become equal to the rest of us?

Like you said "i know that i do lots of things wrong i get angry too quickly, i listen to gossip, i tell the occaisional lie ect i think when we are honest with ourselves we would all agree we do wrong things" So what makes homosexuality such a big sin that we can not grant them the same quality of life as we have? Is it because they don't "hide" their "sin"? Because it's going to be public?

Shelley - posted on 03/17/2010

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Hi Kathy,
I'm sorry if i came across uncaring i wasn't meaning to preach to you but to explain my opinion. i know that i do lots of things wrong i get angry too quickly, i listen to gossip, i tell the occaisional lie ect i think when we are honest with ourselves we would all agree we do wrong things this by no means is to put you down but to lift you up in that through gods grace if you believe that christ was perfect and died to take away our sins then you shall inherit the kingdom of heaven Salvation is sweet.
i'm coming from a place of love not trying to put you or anyone else down

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Hi Michelle,

I must admit that I've always felt a bit put down by the constant preaching that we are all sinners. Not a very caring attitude!

Johnny - posted on 03/17/2010

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I also think it is important to address the fact that many Christian denominations do not feel that homosexuality is wrong nor that same sex marriages should be forbidden. If a Christian chooses to believe this, that is on them as an individual, even if they choose to use faith as the reason for those beliefs. I've never met a Christian who does not "pick and choose" which biblical passages to follow.

From the United Church of Canada website:

Marriage

We see people as unique, loved creations of God and welcome all people to the full life of Christian community, including marriage. We believe God intends loving relationships to be faithful, responsible, just, healing, and sustaining of the couple and those around them, and that such relationships require preparation and nurture.
The United Church celebrates the marriage of

* same-sex couples
* previously divorced people
* couples of different religions
* all people who believe in Jesus Christ and want to live faithful to his way

General Council—the governing council of The United Church of Canada—makes some decisions about marriage, and local United Church congregations make other decisions. This reflects the wisdom that some decisions are best made as a denomination and others are best made locally. Our denomination has followed this wisdom since our founding in 1925.

Marriages (in fact, all worship services) are performed with the permission of and under the responsibility of the local congregation’s church council. This means that while General Council welcomes same-sex marriage, it does not make same-sex marriage the norm in congregations. Congregations develop their own marriage policy and practices.

Johnny - posted on 03/17/2010

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LOVE the clip Helen. I never watched the show, but that was great.

Are there any passages in the bible about hypocrisy?

Rosie - posted on 03/17/2010

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that was a great clip helen!! i truly don't understand the way alot of christians feel that homosexuality should be punished more than any other "sinner". murderers have the right to marry, yet a gay person doesn't? how is homosexuality more horrible than murder? how is it horrible at all?

Shelley - posted on 03/17/2010

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Hi Jodi and others who have asked questions in reguards to christianity. The bible was written by men but we are told it was God inspired John 1vs 1 states "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God"

here are some verses that do describe homosexuality as a sin

Romans 1vs 27 "In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with wemon and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men commited indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves due penalty for their perversion."

Corinthians 1vs 9 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do not be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders."

(There are a few more if anyone is interested.)

I know that Christians or so called Christians have done awful things in the past in the name of god and the bible for this i apologise as it has given us a bad name.



Having said this no i would not vote for homosexuals to be able to legaly marry but i know many homosexual people and truly love them as friends. It is my belief and the bibles teaching that we are all sinners and no sin is greater than any other therfor i would not judge or treat any other human being with anything but love and respect as christ has commandes us to.

Dana - posted on 03/17/2010

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THAT WAS AWESOME!!! I wish I had watched the show, looks like I would have liked it.

Helen - posted on 03/17/2010

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Well said! I was horrified when I read the title of your post but now I want to cut and paste it into my own page! You forgot to mention the obvious necessity to avoid garments of two different threads and of course shellfish, both of which are mentioned in the Old Testament. I'm more of a Red Letter Christian myself. I like to know what Christ actually said.

Esther - posted on 03/15/2010

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Susanne - this is one topic that I'm not going to debate extensively, but I just wanted to add that any responses to these posts were also deleted. There is a difference between personal attacks/being insulting and disagreeing with someone. People may disagree on where the line is but that's a call that I and the moderators make and we made it. I also did not send out PMs to anyone in this particular case because as I stated in my "keep it classy" posts, these types of posts will be deleted without discussion. And so I did.

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Well seems as the posts have been deleted then we shall all have to trust your judgement on this whether we like it or not but i do think it would be better to leave them up for all to see and judge for themselves. I dont recall demanding peoples posts be deleted when i thought they were insulting towards me so i dont see what the problem is.

Esther - posted on 03/15/2010

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Actually Susanne - I was the one who deleted those posts. These posts contributed absolutely nothing to this conversation. The initial poster who got things off track was spoken to and she has since apologized. The other posters posted in support of her but clearly had no understanding of the contents of even the OP. We try to be fair in DMs but ultimately it is our call which posts are deleted. We don't run those decisions by our 398 members and put them up for a vote. If people disagree with the decision, so be it. I'm very comfortable that deleting these posts was entirely fair. Had they contained any contribution to the conversation we're trying to have here I would have happily left them up (minus the personal attacks) but they did not. You'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. Up to you.

Krista - posted on 03/13/2010

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Basically, if someone said, "Krista Elliott, I think you're rude, overbearing, opinionated, and a complete bitch", then that would be a personal attack.



It'd be TRUE, but still outside of the bounds of debate etiquette.

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Ive been told by people that posts they made were deleted i find it quite annoying. Also if only direct attacks on people are deleted how do you define a direct attack?

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What comments Susanne? Didn't realise anything had been deleted from this debate.

We don't delete opinions, only posts with direct attacks on other members.

Sara - posted on 03/11/2010

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I do agree with Krista, it is a fine line here in DMs, or in any debating community really in having a spirited debate and having someone feel like they are ganged up on. I know me and some of the other mods are trying to work on this, because we want all members to be comfortable expressing their opinions here (as long as they don't violate the No T.H.U.M.P.S. rule for all of COMs), because it is what keeps this group interesting and relevant. If you have any suggestions about how to improve our group I know that I, as well as other mods, would be happy to hear them.

Krista - posted on 03/11/2010

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This particular debate did sort of wind up like that, Cynthia. Many of us here are very passionate about equal rights, and speaking solely for myself, I just cannot understand the mindset of someone who would deny human rights to someone who has done absolutely nothing to harm them.



The arguments put forth against gay marriage are so illogical and absurd to me, that I (and others) were quite vehement in rebutting them, which led to that sense of someone being "ganged up on."



It's a fine balance, and one that we'll probably always struggle with on DM anytime we have one or two people who hold wildly unpopular opinions. For example, if we have a thread about interracial marriage, and most everybody has no issue with it, but one or two people DO, then how to handle it?



I'd have a very difficult time biting my tongue and not responding to someone who is espousing prejudice. But if everybody else has an equally hard time biting their respective tongues, then we wind up "jumping all over" that person, like you said.



I don't see an easy solution to this, but if you have suggestions, I'm all ears.

Cynthia - posted on 03/11/2010

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I do enjoy reading past posts on Debating Mums. But, one thing I notice anytime ANYONE speaks AGAINST what "everyone else" feels you all jump all over that ONE person! That is just not fair. How is it a debate when you are all jumping on ONE person for making a comment.

As far as the 'gay' thing - hey to each their own... As long as your happy whatever who cares what anyone else thinks

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yes it does! All this happened only 6 mths ago......still people need to open their minds and accept that the world is changing they need to change with it.

Jodi - posted on 03/09/2010

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Debbie, I have heard of situations like that before. It is sad and it is wrong.

From what I gather, however, the law in Australia has changed recently, and same sex relationships now have the same rights as a de facto partner. But I still think it needs to go further.

Debbie - posted on 03/09/2010

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I have a little story for you. Im in Australia and my best friend was in a same sex relationship for two years, they shared everything, bills, car and rent etc. They were saving to buy a house together. Well they were going through a rough patch and her partner committed suicide, I was the first one there, informed police that M was next of kin, my hubby and M's boss all had to EXPLAIN the relationship numerous times each. T's mum was also there and the police ended up putting her down as next of kin. With the police doing this all M's rights went out the window, she has no say in the furneral, almost wasn't allowed to go, couldnt have a veiwing, lost all her savings, the family even broke into the house and stole all of T's and M's stuff and the police wouldn't charge the family, M lost the car, photo's and clothes. The family even took sheets and towels WTF!!!
For M to regain this stuff she has to go to civil court, she just lost her loved one and she had to deal with all this crap, even the local paper gave her a hard time over putting in a memorial peice. You just dont realise how backward society is in same sex relationships untill its shoved in your face. Now if society recognised same sex relationships this would never have happened

Katherine - posted on 03/09/2010

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I think that people dehumanize gays, and that's the governments excuse. They aren't human, why should they be able to get married?

Now I've come full circle.

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Hmmm, let's see.....

If you are a citizen, and are gay, you can still vote
If you are a citizen, and are gay, you can still serve in the military (shhhh.....don't tell!)
If you are a citizen, and are gay, you still pay taxes
If you are a citizen, and are gay, you can still purchase a home
If you are a citizen, and are gay, you can legally get married....OOOPS....NOPE, that would be so silly, right? Silly gays cannot get married! Why? Because the hypocritical lawmakers said so @@

Jodi - posted on 03/09/2010

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Haha, Love it! I immediately got angry when I read the title, and very willing to put my 2 cents in, but was very pleasantly surprised!! Good job :)

Traci - posted on 03/09/2010

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I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but adultery is actually a crime in some states: http://law.jrank.org/pages/4107/Adultery...



And from Wiki:



In the United States, laws vary from state to state. In those states where adultery is still on the statute book (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan), to a fine of $10 (Maryland), to a Class I felony (Wisconsin). In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense. The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States has been / is being questioned following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults, in cases such as Lawrence v. Texas; however, occasional prosecutions occur.




.... and I know of people (my husband and mother) who have seen soldiers court marshaled and dishonorably discharged for adultery. So, you know...just sayin' is all.



That's all... I don't really care either way. What you do in your bedroom is your business.

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Anyone want to create a top 10 list of why being gay is RIGHT?! Lol!

#1 reason-to piss off hypocrites! Ha-ha-ha!

Lisamarie - posted on 03/09/2010

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Just thought I'd outline the differences between civil partnerships and civil marriages in England! The word marriage is a religious word and most civil partnerships don't have anything to do with marriage.

I totally agree that homosexuals should have equal rights as everyone else and should definetely be allowed to have a marriage! Just thought I'd update people on our laws in England and this is what I found;



Differences between Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages



"Although a civil partnership is essentially viewed as a “gay marriage”, between same sex partners, the reason it is not called a “gay marriage”, is that there are a few differences between a partnership and a marriage on a technical level.



A civil partnership becomes legal when the registration certificate is signed by both partners. This does not mean that it must be signed during a ceremony that is public or during any specific event. This allows the partner to enter into the partnership on a private basis. There need be no words exchanged. During a civil marriage, typically words are exchanged and then the register is signed.



A vast difference between a civil partnership and a civil marriage is that a civil marriage almost always contains religious aspects during the marriage. The word marriage is a religious word in itself. Additionally, a clergy can perform civil marriages, whereas only specified registrars can perform a civil partnership.



There are also vast similarities between the two. In both a civil partnership and a civil marriage, the couples are required to give public notice of the intentions. The records of both are kept as official and public documents with the registry offices. Couples are required to wait a total of 15 days prior to registration but after giving notice of the partnership. After the 15 day waiting period the registration is given, and then it is valid for one full year after the date of registration."



Rules



"In order to enter into a civil partnership in the UK there are certain rules both participants must follow:



Both parties will need to enter the registrar’s office, in person

Y ou will then have a 7-day qualification of residence, to make sure there is a registrar available to perform your ceremony

There are special offices you need to register at if either party is an immigrant

You must be over the age of 18, or have written permission if you are between the ages of 16 and 18

You must be free of any previous partnerships or civil marriages

The notice must be made public during a 15-day period of waiting, so that any objections to the union are allowed to be made ."



Pretty much the same as heterosexual marriages!



"It is important to remember that a civil partnership is a legally binding agreement, working in the same way as that of a civil marriage. The extent of the similarities between civil partnerships and civil marriages deserve to be known, because with civil partnership not being specifically named, "marriage", many people assume that it does not require the same honor and commitment as a civil marriage would.



Entering into a civil partnership should not be taken lightly and should be weighed heavily by both parties. Once a civil partnership is entered, both partners have the same rights and responsibilities. There is gain in responsibilities with regards to parental activities and requirements, as well as requirements to your partner. It is important to understand that this partnership will not end just because you want it to, if a dissolution of the partnership is wanted by the partners, then court proceedings must take place.



If one partner is from another country, that person will have to follow all of the rules and regulations for entering the country. The same rules will apply to same sex unions as those of civil marriages.



If couples have entered into a civil partnership in a country other than the UK, the partnership may still be recognised within the UK, if the country in which you were registered followed the same general guidelines. It is important to seek counsel if you are in this situation, to make sure your civil partnership is recognised in the UK."



It's sounds pretty similar to me but they should DEFINETELY be allowed the choice!! No doubt about it!! :)

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I like Sharon Cohen- Fonzo's thinking.
I've posted before on a debate on Gay marriage.
To think that criminals who are in prision and have the slimist chance in hell of getting out, can still get married yet gay couples cannot.
Criminals can get degrees in prison (In my country they can), courtesy of a taxpayer that including homosexuals- yet homosexual's cannot marry.
If gay's could marry world wide (meaning every country let that happen), I bet many of those marriages would last alot longer then most straight couples.
They can also make better parents then some.
I believe they are born gay, just like I'm born straight.

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=) I like this post. And I hope that one day my friends and family members and others' friends and family members can enjoy the same rights that I do. Because that's what this is really about. It's about equal rights. It's about the right of my friend Courtney to marry her partner Cherie and not have to worry that if something happens to one of them then their property won't legally defect to the other and their son won't either. And it's about couples like them. It's about men and women who have been beaten, raped, killed, and spat on for years just because they loved someone of the same sex. They deserve equality. Complete equality. Their union doesn't hamper anyone else's. And as long as they're consenting adults, who really gives one flying fuck what they're doing at home? Geez...

~Jennifer - posted on 03/08/2010

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...maybe it was just your little lecture that came off wrong.



Sorry, but I thought the other 2 were holding their ground just fine and didn't require you to swoop in with your red cape and big S on your chest to 'save them', have NO opinion on the topic at hand, and basically just come here to bitch everyone out (especially when you aren't exactly an active member of 'our' community).



I'm not your kid, and no one else here is either - and no one needs your lectures on how to treat other people when you basically suck at the task yourself.

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not sure what dinner party I go to.....usually consists of my husband, myself and our five kids. we do consider ourselves a clique....called a family. not trying to imply that I am stupid...but I am not a news watcher nor do I read the paper on a daily basis...so I have no clue what proposition 8 is. and the only rallies I go to are at our local school around tournament time to show our town pride. as for the posting from another thread....I was giving my opinion....not a lesson. not going to take any of this personally; because personally I do not care what any of you think of me. however, there is not one of you here that know about me or my life.....so please don't assume that you know me or what I think or how I feel or what I stand for. because when we ASSUME....it make an ASS of U and ME!!

~Jennifer - posted on 03/08/2010

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Quoting Christa



As soon as I read the title....I knew the "clique" was all going to be in agreement with eachother. I was rather surprised that in our debate forum they actually thought they would get a debate.



Poor Suzanne....went again the clique and got verbally abused.



Not sure why Veronica came back for more.....she should know by now that the clique is always against her.



The reason why this issue is not being debating is because people have become way to smart. They know this isn't a debate forum anymore....this is just a place for the clique to share their opinions....is a nice friendly manner. The only arguments that are ever held here anymore are when someone speaks out against them and they feed on their prey.



Like poor Suzanne and Veronica.








....Wow....LOVE the 'clique' theory.



That would almost be like saying the same thing about that little 'clique' that banded together to pass proposition 8 and tell everyone that was against it how WRONG they were. Did you see any of the coverage of the rallies against Prop 8?

Poor 'Fred and George'; poor 'Lynne and Melinda' - they went against "THE CLIQUE" too. I wonder how 'the clique' enjoyed feeding on them.....

......what was the name of that 'clique' again......?

(I figure you'd know b/c **you** are part of THAT one.)



....I guess it just hinges on whose dinner party you show up to.



I must say - it's an interesting comparison, isn't it? Labeling people that agree with 'each other' as a clique to belittle them for a different point of view or set of beliefs........



Quoting Christa (from another thread on the forum):



A true Christian should not be afraid of criticism. In fact, as a Christian one should regularly (daily) examine their conscience and find their faults and try to become a better person. A Christian person should be a humble person. Someone not afraid to admit that they are not perfect and have failures. But are trying to change that part of their life to become a better person. Religion is like politics.....we all have our spin on what we believe. We don't all have to agree with eachother....we just have to respect eachother.




.....thanks for all the respect as well as the insight on 'how a true Christian 'should' act..

It's been a very informative 'lesson'.

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Speaking from the Fantasy World where I am NOT happily married and COMPLETELY in love with my husband, and I actually stood a change: I wish Adam Lambert wasn't gay...He's so purdy...
MUAH HAHAHAHA!!

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I didnt read it because when i tried it knocked me off facebook etc. Im quite happy for gay people to have marraiges i was just confused as to what the difference is it seems to me that its just down to the name as every thing else seems to be the same and if its all the same they might as well call it a marraige and be done with it.

Esther - posted on 03/08/2010

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Susanne - did you read the article I posted above. It was written by Andrew Sullivan who is British. I think he explained better than anyone why it's not good enough to only allow civil unions. I'll link it again here: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl...,9171,1101040216-588877,00.html

The link may not work (because of the commas in it) so if it doesn't, do a search for "why the M word matters to me". You'll find the Time Magazine article.

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Well over here they have legalised it all to the point where it is a marraige in everything but legal name so they might as well go the whole hog and call it a marraige and get it over with then everyone can get on with their lives instead of worrying about what its called. I find it hard to understand why its legal over here when america still bans it in certain parts i thought america would be a lot more accepting of gay people than us brits.

Krista - posted on 03/08/2010

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I think the difference between marriage and civil unions in the UK is lesser, Susanne. It seems like it all comes down to semantics. And if that's the case, then why bother having the two separate things? It'd be like giving a straight couple a car, and then saying to a gay couple, "Well, you can't have a car, 'cause you're gay, but here's a flugelschnitz!" And they look, and it's a car. And they're thinking, "WTF? The only reason we can't call it a car is 'cause we're gay? Are you serious?"

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In the UK if they have a civil partnership they have the same rights as a married couple the only difference is the technical term marraige. They can even co habitate and be classed as partners the same as heterosexuals. So I dont know if its the same in the states and our politicians do support it as ive said my local mp (member of parliament) is getting married and hes doing it in Westminster in the houses of parliament lol.

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A marriage license is a legally binding contract-a union binding 2 people, man and woman, together. A gay couple is denied that marriage license. They can have a civil marriage with all of the big bang wedding party to it. They may also get married in front of a justice of teh peace or even a member of the clergy who supports gay marriage. They may receive an unofficial marriage certificaite. BUT, it is not a marriage license in the same way that has a raised seal and authorized by the state. A marriage certificate is considered "second-best, lesser than" by the gay community. Now tell me why this is equal rights for all citizens? I hate bigots!

Krista - posted on 03/08/2010

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And Christa? Blow me. Susanne and Veronica have both shown themselves beyond capable of holding their own. Visit some of the other threads in this group and you'll see cases where we're agreeing with them, and quite heartily.



And if you think that believing in human rights, and being against prejudice, makes one part of a "clique", then you really need to leave high school behind -- this topic is MUCH bigger than that.

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This might help, Susanne.



From FactCheck.org:



When politicians say they support civil unions but not marriage for people of the same sex, what do they mean? We find three main differences between civil unions and marriage as it's traditionally viewed:

-- The right to federal benefits. States that allow some type of same-sex union are able to grant only state rights. The Defense of Marriage Act passed in 1996 prohibits same-sex couples from receiving federal marriage rights and benefits.

-- Portability. Because civil unions are not recognized by all states, such agreements are not always valid when couples cross state lines.

-- Terminology. "Marriage" is a term that conveys societal and cultural meaning, important to both gay rights activists and those who don't believe gays should marry.




And like Jodi said, there's also the choice factor. Here in Canada, and particularly in Quebec, a lot of long-term couples choose not to marry, and just live together as common-law spouses. And that's fine, and that's their decision. But the crux of the matter is this: they are allowed to actually MAKE that decision. Gays/lesbians are not. So obviously, it's not true equality to say to them, "Well, you can't get married, but here -- have a civil union! It's ALMOST as good."

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Well i dont understand why it isnt i assumed it was the same thing. The few gay people i know seem to be quite happy that they can get a civil partnership and they are treating it as a wedding. In regards to my local mp it is all over the papers about his wedding not his civil partnership. In regards to my marraige i got married because i was in love but i really dont understand what thats got to do with the subject at hand.

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