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10 Reasons Why Being Gay is WRONG!!!

Sara - posted on 03/02/2010 ( 334 moms have responded )

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01) Being gay is not natural.
♥ And real Americans always reject unnatural things like polyester, and air conditioning, tattoos, piercings


02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay,
♥in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.


03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior.
♥People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.


04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all;
♥Hence why women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.


05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed;
♥And we can't let the sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage be destroyed.


06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children.
♥So therefore, gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our population isn't out of control, our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.


07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children,
♥Since of course straight parents only raise straight children.


08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion.
♥In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.


09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home.
♥ Which is exactly why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.


10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms.
♥Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

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Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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ok ok ok ok ok ok ok ----- this is being stretched too far. Just because I oppose, and just becuase I am opposing because of my religion, faith, beliefs -- does not make me wrong.

Just because I disagree -- does not mean that I am going to go out there and vote yes or no. That im going to make gay people's lives miserable - or that im going to judge them personally. Homosexuality in general is wrong - the act of homosexuality to me is wrong. PERIOD. Do I love the person less? Do i hate?? NO.



Im simply stating what I believe about homosexuality, about rights etc. And because I mentioned the Lord, religion, belief, faith -- Im the one being pounced on and it is being trampled on. I didnt come into this discussion telling you all you are going to hell, and condeming you because you dont believe what i believe - etc etc etc --- Dont you think, in a debating session - that understanding WHY someone feels or believes the way they do - is very key and very important in a debate?? Otherwise, how would you understand teh opposing side, if you didnt know where they were coming from?????



Lets get real here. I have no qualms stating what i do and dont believe in. But im not one to sit here and try to convince people otherwise. Just like gays are going to believe what they are doing is right - -- and they arent going to come to me and try to convince me other wise (well maybe some will - just like anyone else would who wants to defend their side)



So - Im going to step out of here, I dont agree -- but its not my place -- theres nothing to say or do about it -- and im sticking to what i feel -- whethere anyone agrees with me or not either. Plain and simple.

Kimberly - posted on 03/05/2010

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I tend to have pretty conservative views on most issues, but this brings up some valid points ;)

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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Ah, see that's where we differ, Veronica. I don't believe that homosexuality IS immoral or a sin. And Esther put it perfectly -- there is a lot of stuff considered "sinful" that is perfectly legal.



If Christians believe that x, y and z are immoral or sinful, then it's easy enough for them to NOT do x, y and z, right? But why do they have to insist upon imposing their own version of morality on the rest of society? Why can they not just follow their own rules and leave everybody else alone, already? I'm not Christian -- why should I be forced by law to live by Christian doctrine?

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Quoting Veronica:



So you are more readily accepting of sin, than someone trying to lead you to salvation?




I don't think homosexuality is a sin. I think it's a sin to deny who God made you to be. I don't feel a need for anyone to lead me to salvation. I'm comfortable with who I am, my morals and values & the way I live my life. I know I'm a good, loving, tolerant person and if & when someone is going to judge me, I am comfortable with the choices I have made and I think any God who is truly loving and forgiving is not going to have any issues with me. I think a God who is truly about love & goodness (as oposed to vindictiveness, pettiness & vanity) is going to have a HELL of a lot more issues with people who, in His name, judged, discrimated against & persecuted people just for loving another person who happened to have the same gender as them.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Quoting Veronica:

We believe homo is wrong, they believe it is right -- so when they want marriage between them acceppted -- then homosexuality also has to be accepted.


It is no different than Christians having to accept that divorce is legal, that sex before marriage is legal, that working on the sabbath is legal, that coveting your neighbor's wife is legal etc. etc. etc. It's not a new concept. If you don't think gay marriage is acceptable in God's eyes, don't marry your girlfriend. Simple.

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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So you are more readily accepting of sin, than someone trying to lead you to salvation?

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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Carol, admit it. You want to gay-marry me, don't you? ;)

Johnny - posted on 03/05/2010

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In other words, people have the right to be opposed to homosexuality. They have the right to object to gay marriage. But when their opposition turns into actions that would directly impede upon rights of others, that's when the proverbial fist meets the proverbial nose, and that's when I say, "Okay, now you've gone too far."


I think this is what gets me. Most of the moral opposition to gay marriage comes from people who are not actually affected by it. But the opposition significantly and measurably impacts the life of homosexual Americans. The way I see it, the opposition to gay marriage IS "directly impeding upon the rights of others". And it is going too far.

Krista's point about agnostics seeking to ban religion is an excellent analogy. In fact, I think I could strongly argue that people's decision to practice their religions actually has a greater impact on my life than gay marriage has on the rights of those who oppose it. I have a hard time imagining an occurrence where gay people will start knocking on doors trying to turn people gay.

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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And in most cases, seeking middle ground can be good and admirable.

This isn't one of those cases, though. :)

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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Right, and I'm not going to tell you that you have no right to feel the way you do. I don't really GET it, but you feel how you feel, and you have a right to your feelings.

I think my whole philosophy centers upon the expression "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."

In other words, people have the right to be opposed to homosexuality. They have the right to object to gay marriage. But when their opposition turns into actions that would directly impede upon rights of others, that's when the proverbial fist meets the proverbial nose, and that's when I say, "Okay, now you've gone too far."

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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You make a good point Krista - I guess Im the type that likes to find the middle ground - the agree to disagree and move on.

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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You are right, too - Krista. It shouldnt affect anyone - if two gay people want to get married. I do understand the fact that it does not mean that its going to make others gay or make marriage between strait people fall apart.



Im only making a point on the moral standpoint of it -- that i feel its saying that we who do not believe its right - should have to accept it. That is all -- but regardless - i personally wont vote against it - but i will still not morally accept it. I do not hate these people, i do not have a vendetta against them, im not going to go out of my way to be miserable about it --Im just making the point that people from a moral standpoint they are going to fight against it - because they feel its their right to object to it - and therefore i dont think its wrong for that either. It most likely isnt going to get them anywhere anyways. And there are certainly more important things to fight against, than who should marry who.

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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To accept and 'allow' them to marry -- is also to accept and 'allow' homosexuality. This is where the debate is coming in. That is why there has to be a middle grounds decided on. And what that middle ground is, is beyond me. We believe homo is wrong, they believe it is right -- so when they want marriage between them acceppted -- then homosexuality also has to be accepted.
This is the point i am trying to make. Putting it in a perspective.


You do realize that those very same arguments were made against miscegenation several decades ago, right? There were PLENTY of people who felt that interracial marriage was wrong, some who felt it was right, and some who probably didn't care either way. But I ask you this: in that particular circumstance, would a "compromise" have been the right thing to do?

When you are talking about the human rights of a minority, there are ALWAYS going to be people who would fight tooth and claw to deny them those rights, even though granting them those rights would have absolutely no appreciable effect on the lives of their detractors. When women were granted the vote, believe me, there were still a shitload of men out there who were vehemently opposed to the idea. But no compromise was made, because when it comes to granting human rights, ignoring the will of the prejudiced is the RIGHT thing to do.

Why on earth should an equal say be given to those whose lives will not be affected by the outcome, and who only protest because they wish to impose their own morality on the rest of society?

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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I just think that if homosexuals can impose their right to be gay and marry - then people who oppose of it, should have the right to impose their beliefs/morals/etc. against it.




Bit of a difference though, Veronica. If gay people want to exercise the right to get married and want the laws changed to allow them that right, that affects nobody but themselves, correct?



If those who are against gay marriage want to exercise their right to oppose it, and try to have the laws changed so that gay marriage is rendered illegal, then at the end of the day, it's not affecting THEM -- it's affecting gay people.



If people want to legislate morality that has the potential to affect them directly, then I can sympathize with that, depending on the situation. But these people are not trying to legislate their own morality. They're not trying to legislate something that even affects them, either directly or obliquely. They're trying to legislate someone ELSE's morality, and something that affects someone ELSE very directly.



Let's say, for example, that I, as an agnostic, thought that all religion was immoral, dangerous and destructive brainwashing. (I don't, but let's just say that I did, for argument's sake). So let's say that I collected a ton of like-minded people, and we all rallied to the government, saying that religious people should be legally forbidden from bearing and raising children, because we think that it is immoral to brainwash kids into believing in invisible deities. Would you not think that it is absolutely none of my business whether the religious have kids or not, and that I am completely wrong-headed in trying to get the government to pass laws to legislate my own interpretation of morality?

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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Telling the truth in a court of law -- (no bearing false witness to)

Sabbath day - not a law -- but isnt it peculiar how major holidays are celebrated - and business, postal offices, etc. are closed for the day?? most business are closed on a sunday?? And adultry may not be a 'law' - but it will hold up in court in a divorce - if there is proof.

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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To accept and 'allow' them to marry -- is also to accept and 'allow' homosexuality. This is where the debate is coming in. That is why there has to be a middle grounds decided on. And what that middle ground is, is beyond me. We believe homo is wrong, they believe it is right -- so when they want marriage between them acceppted -- then homosexuality also has to be accepted.

This is the point i am trying to make. Putting it in a perspective.



I personally could give a rats ass, Esther -- I am not imposing any of my beliefs on anyone -- Im just trying to state why there is a controversy on this topic. Or at least my opinion about why there is one. This is how society is going to work. It is against the norm - it has always been looked at as immorally wrong -- so for people to expect others to just let bygones be bygones - and its all going to be roses - isnt going to happen. Everyone is going to have their say about it. To socially accept something that has been looked at as immoral for almost forever - doesnt get a 'hell yea!" just like that.



I could care less if they want to marry, have kids, have a life, etc. etc. So there, i made the final decision here. And no one else should care either -- and it shouldnt be a deal -- but it is. If people have a right to agree, people should have a right to disagree -- regardless of who and what it impacts.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Quoting Veronica:

the Bible/Ten commandments are two things that a lot of our laws have been based on


Here are the 10 commandments:

You shall have no other gods before me – not a law
You shall not make for yourself an idol – not a law
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God – not a law
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy – not a law
Honor your father and mother – not a law
You shall not murder* - WHOOHOOO a law!
You shall not commit adultery – not a law
You shall not steal – Law #2.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor - not a law
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife – not a law
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor – not a law

The bible is not necessarily the basis for the law. General morality is. It is possible to have morals that are not religion based. And as the above demonstrates, a lot of Christian "laws" are not mortal laws. And that's how it should be since we're not all Christians.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Quoting Veronica:

I just think that if homosexuals can impose their right to be gay and marry - then people who oppose of it, should have the right to impose their beliefs/morals/etc. against it.




They are not imposing it on you though! They are not forcing you to live life as a gay woman. They are not forcing you to marry a woman. They are not forcing churches to bless their marriage. They are not forcing you to stay single because you're not allowed to marry the man you love. They are not imposing a thing on you. All they want is the same right to marry the adult of their chosing that you and I have.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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I don't think it's "OK" to say homosexual is abnormal or sinful and I don't think it's "okay" to say Mexicans are dirty. I do think people have the right to their opinions and to express them however. And then I have the right to call them bigotted idiots..

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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The bottom line for me is this. I really and honestly dont care what is voted/not voted here on earth. I do not know the great design, I do not know the plan for any of us - therefore I am choosing not to participate in what the earthly realm wants to fight so bad over.
I know what I believe in - and Im not going to force or impose anything on anyone. I just think that if homosexuals can impose their right to be gay and marry - then people who oppose of it, should have the right to impose their beliefs/morals/etc. against it. How can we make a sound law - if its all one -sided?? Two sides are what help make the law, because it helps put that median in it - this i think is why so many laws are broken down for certain circumstances. Murder - its not just one simple law -- there are diff. degrees of murder, with different punishments - why? probably because there was one side who said put all murderers to death, and another side that said no - this murder isnt like that one ----- therefore creating the break down. Does this make sense to anyone??? If morals and values shouldn't be allowed to play a roll in the law -- then there should be no laws at all then - because morals and values are what the laws are based on - the Bible/Ten commandments are two things that a lot of our laws have been based on. So really there should be no laws whatsoever, and we should all be able to entirely do whatever the hell we wanted - and the only consequence would be to the Lord - not the supreme court. So if we dont have the right to oppose or agree to something -- then there shouldnt be laws at all then.

Johnny - posted on 03/05/2010

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Okay, I don't get this "believe what you wish and say it as loud as you like" stuff. I understand the part about holding your own beliefs, but does the "say it as loud as you like" part extend to people who hate people of different religions, different races, different genders? It has long since ceased to be acceptable to publicly state that sort of thing. If someone came on COM and proceeded to frequently make statements opposed to Chinese people and their rights to marry whom they choose and have equal rights afforded to them, that person would probably get kicked off. I don't get the double standard. Why is it okay to say homosexual is abnormal or sinful and it is not okay to say that Mexicans are dirty?

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2010

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Regular citizens did not vote about whether or not women could vote, they didn't vote about whether or not black people could sit in the front of the bus, and they don't deserve to vote about whether or not gay people can marry each other. The idea is preposterous.

But by all means...believe what you wish and say it as loud as you like (so long as you don't provoke violence)

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Quoting Veronica:



When you guys talk about rights/freedom - dont you think that we who disagree - have that right and freedom to say that we dont agree with it - to fight for it to not become legal?? Afterall - that is our right also.




Veronica, I don't deny anyone the right to feel that homosexuality is wrong or abnormal or unnatural or sinful. As I've said before, I vehemently agree with any and all of these sentiments, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. They are also entitled to express those opinions. However, I do not think it is right for people to legally impose their values on others, particularly when the right those "others" are fighting for has NO impact whatsoever on those who reject that right. Murder is illegal because even if someone considers that a moral act, the consequences of that act impact others. Nobody is negatively impacted by two men or two women marrying. Therefore, they should not be denied that very basic right because there are people who feel it is against their very personal religion or beliefs, or just because it makes them feel icky.

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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This is also a case of one rotten apple, spoils the bunch. This is where stereotyping comes in to play. And stereotyping in my opinion, is why there are fights about stuff, and the laws are they way they are. For instance - if there is one hypocrit in church that acts all holy and self-righteous - then people assume that the whole congregation is that way - and therefore turn away from the religion. (same goes with anything) So i think this has a lot to do with how people feel about stuff also - because of one person or one incident then it gets labeled and everyone/everything is assumed to be that way.

Veronica - posted on 03/05/2010

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Im on a two way street. A) I know people are homosexual - they are born this way. However, Im not sure what I think about the marriage part. I understand freedom/rights - but Im unsure of how I feel about it. The main part of homosexuality that I think gets to people the most - is the sexual part of it - to a strait person its unnatural, weird and well- honestly gross. (And maybe that is judgemental of me) HOWEVER -- its not my life - and its not like they are coming to my house performing it in front of me - etc. So just because I disagree - doesnt mean that I am going to sit here and tell people what they can and can't do. And Im not going to condemn them either -- in my eyes -- only the Lord will judge them, and only the Lord will judge me -- and so therefore there is absolutely nothing I can do or say -- because I don't know what God's judgement will be - so who am I to say? RIght?

I think what another problem is in society - is this, When you guys talk about rights/freedom - dont you think that we who disagree - have that right and freedom to say that we dont agree with it - to fight for it to not become legal?? Afterall - that is our right also. ONly making a point here - I dont think anyone is WRONG if they agree or disagree with this issue. We all come from different backgrounds. Some grew up around a homosexual - and its a norm - -- others have not, and others have been taught that its 'not right' - and are against it. Basically there needs to be a median here.

Wow - im just all over the place with this now -- the bottom line for me is this. Im a pretty accepting person. I may not agree with what people do or dont do -- but i dont feel that i look at them as any less of a person - - what people do, and who people are are two different things. You may be strait or homo -- black or white or mix --- jew or chrisitian --- there are good and bad people in all races, sexes, creeds, sexual preferences, etc. etc. etc. Im willing to give people a chance, get to know them -- now if they were to have negative effects towards me or my family - then that would be when i would draw the line.
When we talk about people being equal - it should be based on WHO they are, period. But this is the world, its not perfect - and we are going to deal with this garb for - probably- forever. Instead of bitching about it - people should live it, do it, and teach their children how to love one another instead of hate. (regardless of agree/disagree)

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2010

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And to Susanne, if your comment about preferring your children to be raised in an orphanage than to be raised by a gay couple isn't a statement that you don't like gays, then I don't know what is. Unless you can explain how you like gays and still take this position???

I will admit that such an attitude does disgust me, because I cannot see how any mother would possibly prefer to see their child in an orphanage when gay people can and do make wonderful parents, but that's just my opinion. You are also entitled to your opinion, but I am just curious as to WHY you have formed such a harsh opinion? Is it religious? Is it because you personally know someone who is homosexual, and you have a problem with that person? Or is it just that you don't know anyone who is gay, and have never TRULY attempted to understand that they are people just like you and I?

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2010

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OK, back to the topic....well kind of anyway. i am going to put forward an argument against those who say people can't marry animals or inanimate objects. You are wrong, they actually can (in a fashion anyway, LOL):
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woma...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopi...

Ok, so there's nothing legal about it, just some screwed up people, but I couldn't help myself.

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2010

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Um, Tiffany, did you read the entire post, or did you just make an assumption by the heading?

Lindsay - posted on 03/05/2010

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Tiffany, did you read the initial post? It was insinuating that the reasons people disagree with gay marriage are ignorant. And the majority of posters on here agree to that. We are for and support rights for everyone!

Tiffany - posted on 03/05/2010

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I'm new to this Debate Mom stuff, but who posted this? Was this posting in a sincere belief that homosexuals are bad? I'm confused. Are we twelve and need to find a reason to hate? Who posts this kind of garbage? And the term shouldn't be gay, but homosexual. If your going to hate, at least be politically correct. As a homosexual, if I was the president and had power to wipe out people, you'd be gone. I'm discussed. And did a twelve year old write this? Do you not have a high school/college degree and just listen to Rush Limbaugh all day? I think ignorance is WRONG! If your going to provide a debate about why should not to do something, at least use large words, and have factual evidence to support your argument. Who ever wrote this must have never taken a sociology course, and by the way, there are over twelve acknowledged and supported religious groups in the US (not just new age evangelical). Also, when I see heterosexual couples paying over twenty thousand dollars for a test tube, hormone riddled baby, that doesn't seem natural, or having litters!

JL - posted on 03/05/2010

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Alright I will join in the devil's advocate arguement.....Hmmm, last time I checked animals and inanimate objects were not legal citizens with rights so they cannot get married nor will any marriages to them be legallly recongnzed. It just may end up with the person attempting to marry an animal or inanimate object being put into the looney bin.



As far as the arguement about incest. I REALLY doubt that droves of people will run to the alter to marry their brothers and sisters.



As far as pedophilia goes..marriage is a lawful act between two consenting adults. It is a crime to "love" a child because it is damaging to them. CHildren are not adults and therefore cannot consent legally to any loving companionship.



I will also throw in the arguement about how gay marriage legalized will lead to people being able to marry their friends for tax benefits. People already do this and some people fall out of love and lust after years of marriage and they only exist as freinds passing through the hall on their way to the bathroom..are we going to force them to divorce.



Also I will add in the procreation arguement...well many couples cannot or choice not to have kids...shall we deny them rights as well and for the couples who are no longer procreating should would force them to end their marriages and stop having sex with one another.



Lastly lets add in the religious concept...marriage is a holy union. Not everyone gets married in church and the separation of church and state allows churches to deny whomever they want therefore because they are private entities they do not have to legally accept or perform gay marriages.



Alright anything else we should add to the devils advocate debate.

Jenny - posted on 03/05/2010

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That's my arguement as well Esther. So long as a relationship involves two (or more) consenting adults I'm good. Minors, animals and inanimate (sp?) objects cannot give consent so they are automatically ruled out.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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lol - OK Morgan - then I will tell you why you're wrong. Animals and children cannot legally or morally consent to sex or marriage and therefore it's not the same thing as two adults who both chose to be married to eachother.

Morgan - posted on 03/05/2010

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Begin the 'revolution'!!!!!

Gay marriage is illegal most anywhere. It's a sinful and disgraceful practice. Legalizing gay marriage will lead to a slippery slope and soon we'll be allowing bestiality and pedofiles to be married to whom they love so dearly. If love is the number one factor when allowing marriage to be legalized, then yes, these things ought to be considered!

Morgan - posted on 03/05/2010

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Wow Suzanne. You fear being attacked so you won't post your opinion, however you're willing to cry and complain about how you feel, knowing there isn't a person in this world that is gonna care how you feel this thread is 'repressing' you. Grow up. If you have a belief, post it and quit complaining again and again about the same thing. For all the arguing you've done, you might as well have said your viewpoint.

I'm sooo not anit-gay, however since there's a need for someone to play the devil's advocate....

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2010

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hi there...just so you know, if you hold an "unpopular opinion" (anti-gay, racist, etc) you will likely be disagreed with. This is the very nature of an unpopular opinion, it doesn't mean (necessarily) that you are wrong... just that many disagree with you. The fact that lots of people disagree with you and ask you lots of uncomfortable questions does not mean that you are being attacked.

It means that most people disagree with you (which is the very basic definition of "unpopular opinion")

If you hold an unpopular opinion (and you wish to remain anonymous...feel free to keep it to your self)...however...if you feel compelled to share it...understand that there will likely be several women here to disagree.

Most of us here enjoy a good debate...and therefore will feel free to volunteer an opposing viewpoint if we have one...please do not complain that you feel attacked just because many people disagree.

I am getting a little tired of people saying that "unpopular opinions" are not welcome...they are always more than welcome (I love a good debate)...just understand that once they are posted, they are no longer private.

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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I argue with you because you have said on more than one occasion that anti-gay people are being repressed, which is utter crap. If someone came on here and said, "Look, I just don't like gay people," will their comment be deleted? No. Will they be kicked off the forum? Nope. Will they be booted out of COM? No. So this repression you speak of consists of nothing more than the fact that people will express disagreement with them. That is NOT repression.

You're completely contradicting yourself, Susanne:

On one hand, you're saying, "why put debates up if you don't want to debate?"

On the other hand, you're complaining about people arguing about what you've said, and saying that other people won't speak up because they'll be argued with.

So do you want to debate or not?

If you want to debate, then accept the fact that if you hold an unpopular opinion, you're going to be argued with, and quite vigorously, and there's no point in whining about it or complaining about being "lynched." On the Welcome Page, there was a thread about working moms, and I was vastly in the minority with my opinion. And I would have looked a proper fool if I had started complaining about being ganged up on. I chose to enter the debate, and I chose to stick around even when I had about 10 people responding to each comment I made, all disagreeing with me.

Why enter a debate if you can't bear to be disagreed with?

Dana - posted on 03/05/2010

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I hardly think homophobic idiots keep their mouth shut for fear of verbal abuse. That's freaking laughable. Those people can't shut up for two seconds, I mean really, look at the kind of things you're saying, and you say you're not homophobic.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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There is a HUGE difference between openly and vehemently disagreeing with you and us denying you your right to express your opinion in the first place. Kind of like how it's HUGELY different for people to think that gay people should not get married and them actually legally denying them that right.

Sara - posted on 03/05/2010

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You've not come tried to debate on this thread, just be insulting to us. And now you're upset because we are arguing with you? Come on, Suzanne. We don't expect or want everyone to agree with us. We do, however, want a debate, and you're not debating you're just being smarmy.

Susanne - posted on 03/05/2010

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Nope your right i can say what ive said on here and no one as looked at it twice or argued against what ive said your absolutely right. Except you and a few others of course. Why do people still put these debates up you dont want to debate about it just pat yourselves on the back at how nice you all are and go oh look everyone agrees with us arent we lovely. All im saying is that no not everyone agrees with you its just that anyone who does disagree with you gets this reaction so people just shut up and say nothing because its easier.

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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Oh no, Susanne -- you just adore gay people.

Look, I don't give a sweet damn if you like gay people or not, as I've stated earlier. I don't understand it, but it's your right to feel that way. But please don't insult our intelligence by trying to come across as though you think gay people are just hunky-dory, when you would happily deny them the joy of raising a child.

Oh, and Esther was simply saying that despite your assertion that nobody can speak up against gays anymore without being "lynched" (your words, not mine), anti-gay people are still quite comfortable speaking up in the public sphere, and that no, COM is not some hotbed of enforced political correctness -- there are plenty of forums on here where some pretty non-PC opinions are expressed.

So don't feel too bad for the anti-gay people -- they're really not being ALL that repressed.

Sara - posted on 03/05/2010

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I don't think that's what Esther was trying to convey, Suzanne. I think she's just trying to prove the point that many people don't like gays and don't have any qualms about expressing that they don't like gays because you stated it's frowned up to say you don't like gays or you don't agree with homosexuality. No one is suggesting you leave, we're all entitled to our opinions.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Now you're really reaching Susanne. You're more than welcome on this forum, whether I agree with you or anyone else or not. As long as the guidelines in my "let's keep it classy" post are not broken, you can say anything your heart desires. And I will freely disagree with you on this subject.

Susanne - posted on 03/05/2010

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I have never said on any forum that i do not like gays i have said on other forums that i did not agree with gay adoption but i have never stated that i do not like gays or think thay should be banned dont you think your over reacting a little to what ive said or are you just trying to prove im right. Esther seems to me your saying if i dont agree with you i should get out of your commmunity and go join other forums. I think that is you trying to repress me.

Krista - posted on 03/05/2010

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On this thread, no.

But does this sound familiar Susanne?

My opinion is my own and i do not wish to argue with anyone about it and i feel strongly enough about it that if it was my kids i do think they would be better off languishing in an orphanage than with a set of gay parents.


And we're honestly supposed to believe you when you protest that you never indicated that you don't like gay people? When you would rather your kid live out his childhood in an orphanage, rather than be adopted by a gay couple?

Seriously honey, who are you trying to fool?

Esther - posted on 03/05/2010

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Susanne - people do read posts in other forums and on other threads too. As for people who disagree with gay marriage being afraid to speak up - that may be true on this forum, but there are several other forums (republican moms, christian moms etc.) where people have NO issues speaking up. In public life there have been multiple bills passed where people not only spoke up, but voted to ban homosexuals from marrying the people they love. It seems to me that the only people being repressed here are those in the gay community.

Susanne - posted on 03/05/2010

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Jodi i have not stated on this thread that i do not like gays

Jodi - posted on 03/05/2010

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Susanne, I think it is fairly common knowledge you don't like gays.



And for those who don't, it is not necessarily the fact that they don't approve that is the problem, but rather in the way in which they express their disapproval. Many times, it comes across as discrimatory to the extreme, tends towards ignorance, and can be quite insulting.

Susanne - posted on 03/05/2010

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I dont actually remember stating i didnt like gays or disagreed with gay marriage what i said was that people who dont tend not to say anything when the subject comes because it is frowned upon

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