1st food- baby cereal WIC says yes....

Sherri - posted on 06/09/2012 ( 153 moms have responded )

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So I happened to get a hand out that all moms get at WIC yesterday. It is a form that is distributed by NH Dept of Health & Human Services - WIC Program. Photos/materials provided by NYS Department of Health



I was reading over it and found something interesting. Since this came directly from the infant nutritionist that I met with yesterday.



So here it is:



How much I might eat each day:



Breastfeed on demand, 6 or more times a day. Breastmilk is all I need until I am 6 months old. (I don't think anyone will dispute this)



If I am ready for solid foods, start out with 1-2 tbsp of single-grain rice infant cereal. This is the first food that should be given.



Wait 7 days to feed me another new food which should be oat or barley infant cereal, so you can watch me for food allergies.



My appetite will grow as I grow. If I seem hungry for another meal, I can have another serving of cereal or once the cereals have all been tried 1-2tbsp of pureed vegetables or fruits.



So I know there is a big controversy as to giving an infant cereal at all. However, if this is what is being recommended everywhere you turn and by so called experts on infant nutrition. How would a new mom even think it was not the best? What are your thoughts?

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Not everywhere suggest not starting with fruit though, from what I can see it is more about individual differences, my brother and I, despite being weaned in the same way (with fruit), still have drastically different food pretences, I have a very sweet tooth whereas his is more savoury. It always makes me smile when people blame using fruit to wean on people preferring sweeter foods, especially if the baby was bf because breast milk is sweet.

Also just a random thought (its late im pondering) breastfed babies get tastes of what mom eats in the breast milk, especially if it is a strong flavoured food, so if they eat very flavoured spicy foods surely the child would become accustomed to the less bland because they are already getting small tasters via the milk. Maybe that's why my daughter turned her nose up at the blander foods offered her yet gobbled up the slightly more flavoured foods?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/21/2012

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The reason doctors and people in general go with bland foods to start is because breastmilk and formula are bland. So, when introducing solids it makes sense to "start" out with something bland. Something, that you can mix the milk with so that the infant still has a familiar taste. It isn't something you must do but it is suggested as a reasonable approach.



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I know people too, that started with fruits and had no issues. However, I also know people where their child did end up refusing most veggies and meats. They preferred sweeter veggies (carrots, peas and corn, they woud not eat other ones) and it was distressing for them.



So, this is why they suggest to "not" start with fruits. It isn't an absolute that your child will refuse veggies but it is a possibility. Sometimes, it is best to be safer than not.

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It's not true that feeding fruits first will stop kids eating vegetables I know many children who were given fruit as their first food who eat vegetables without issue. Also adding spices does not make for an unhealthy diet, it just adds flavour, I don't see why people think children want bland, yes some children do, but others like mine will not touch bland foods, both wanted food with flavour, so that's what they got.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/21/2012

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Rosie---You also don't "need" to get good carbs from fruits and veggies (it's not a bad way, of course), you can get them from whole grains, along with a heck of a lot of fiber. ;)

I am unsure who or where you heard/learnt that humans do not need whole grains. It is completely inaccurate. I have provided several links and articles that negate your very claim. Please, can you provide some factual info on how we do not require whole grains? I am quite interested.

Rachel - posted on 06/21/2012

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I am a mother to 4 kids 14.5, 9.5, 7.5 and 3.5 and am pregnant with #5. For 1 they say rice cereal .. just because your baby is born and pooping while you are breast feeding or formula feeding does not mean their bodies are fully developed..(research it) Because they aren't. Rice cereal is the easiest for them to digest and its not hard on their little tummies. I do not suggest starting with fruits and veggies AND yes introduce your babies foods one at a time.. I wouldn't say one a week but every two weeks..And mix the cereal with breast milk or formula.. Do not add spices or salt.. your baby is fine with bland... let their buds develop and their tastes start to acquire the taste of bland before throwing them into unhealthy eating habits. If you jump into it and serve just whatever.. it makes it hard to figure out what your baby is allergic to.. If you start fruits before veggies your baby surely will not eat all the veggies that they should eat and they start to develop buds just for the sugar.... WIC may be out dated as others say but it has worked for many years, so why change something that is working.. (something people do quite often along with the crapy government/politicans we have)

Rosie - posted on 06/21/2012

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i know there are good carbs meme, we need carbs. we just don't need to get them from grains. :) sorry if i didn't make that clear.

Stifler's - posted on 06/19/2012

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I agree Karla I was the same, I wanted them to learn to eat not so much be full and sleep or get nutrition from food and cut down the formula to save money. I've known people who start solids with that as their main motivation.

Karla - posted on 06/19/2012

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I'm adding my 2 cents worth for no apparent reason...

I'm not sure that there are good studies on what the perfect first food for babies would be. I just know it made sense to me that white rice, that is highly processed and had artificial additives to provide vitamins, is not ideal.

When I read from various pediatricians and nutritionist that there was more than one school of thought on starting solids I was interested. I started my kids with banana and sweet potato. I started them rather late (baby lead) so they were each about 7 or 8 months old. They were still getting most their nutrition from breast milk so I didn't consider solid food as a part of their "balanced diet," but rather an experience in eating. Having said that, I also wanted these little first bites to be nutritious.

My pediatrician didn't seem to have an opinion on what foods to start with, but did have an opinion on what foods to avoid such as oranges and eggs. He also said to start one food at a time and watch for allergic reactions.

I honestly think it's presumptuous to say the first solid foods do or do not have a connection to obesity in adults. It would require massive and thorough scientific studies to expose any connection and even then having a control group would be almost impossible. There are so many factors in life, how do you measure which ones affect this trend towards obesity? Since rice cereal is highly processed and not natural per se, I could see it causing problems in dietary habits, but there are hundreds of other things that fit that model as well.

Since the method seems more important then the first food, IMO it's not that big a deal.

We all want to give our baby the best possible start.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/18/2012

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Also, whole grain only means whole grain if it is one of the first ingredients listed on the box (and it states the exact grain). They often call things "Whole Wheat" or "Whole Grain" or "Multi-Grain" when in essence it only accounts for 5-49% of the ingredients. Multi-grain doesn't mean anything but that they used multiple grained flours and may have thrown a handful of grains in. And, whole grain "flour" does not mean whole grain, it means whole grain flour (refined). So, unless the cereal is actual chunks or is full of whole oats, it is more than likely refined.

Sherri - posted on 06/18/2012

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i know this may sound silly but i think that nutritionists and pediatricians are paid by baby product companies to push their products, but that's just my personal opinion.

That would only be the case if they were pushing one certain brand which they don't. They aren't pushing any certain brands just saying baby cereal in general.

Danicia - posted on 06/18/2012

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i'm a first time mom and my daughters' first solid food was green beans. i personally think that it's bogus to start with foods that have little to no nutritional value to them, it's just fluff food in their diet.i understand that pediatricians state that they get all their nutreints from breastmilk/formula but i disagree with introducing them to not nutrient dense food from the get go. i rather my daughter get extra nutrients and gain a liking for healthy foods while she's drinking breastmillk/formula vs her getting used to eating "fluff food". she does get whole grain infant cereal (started her on that about a month or so after starting solids) but i give her 2 tbs of fruit with a little water to make the cereal so that she gets her fruit serving and i feel better about it. i know this may sound silly but i think that nutritionists and pediatricians are paid by baby product companies to push their products, but that's just my personal opinion. i take their advice with a big grain of salt, and my baby girl is a happy healthy growing child!

Brittney - posted on 06/18/2012

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My daughters first food was avocado. I don't recall giving her cereal until she has tried several fruits and vegges. I saw it as just filler with not at much nutritional value as a vegetable or fruit. And when she was just drinking milk I never put it in her formula or mixed it with my breast milk to fill her up. I never got that idea. If she was still hungry I would just feed her longer.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/16/2012

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Also, when I say "high fats" I mean high caloric and/or empty calories, like chips, deep fryed foods, greasy hamburgers and processed cheese, sugary foods, donuts, muffins, mayo, non-whole grain breads, margarine/butter, creams, high fat milks, juices, pop, bacon, cake, pies....I think you get my point. ;)



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And fats such as, canola oil and vegetable oil are bad for you. They will make you fat.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/16/2012

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More---What Are The Good Carbs?



Most of us know what the good carbs are: plant foods that deliver fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals along with grams of carbohydrate, such as whole grains, beans, vegetables, and fruits. You can’t judge a carb as “good” without considering its fiber content (unless it’s a naturally low-fiber food like skim or low-fat milk).



Why Fiber in Carbohydrates Counts



Fiber is the part in plant foods that humans can’t digest. Even though fiber isn’t absorbed, it does all sorts of great stuff for our bodies.




http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/featur...

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/16/2012

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Rosie--- There are good carbs. You need good carbs for your body to function properly. There are carbs in veggies and fruits too. However, whole grains are full of good carbs and they are good for you.



I am going to have to go with what my Gastroenterologist said. Since, they are the doctors of the gut and know how foods are absorbed. They know what is required to have a regular shit pattern and they know what is required to be healthy.



Don't be misled by the blanket pronouncements on the dangers of carbohydrates. They are an important part of a healthy diet. Carbohydrates provide the body with the fuel it needs for physical activity and for proper organ function. The best sources of carbohydrates—fruits, vegetables, beans, and whole grains—deliver essential vitamins and minerals, fiber, and a host of important phytonutrients.



http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsou...



Carbohydrates are the most misunderstood and maligned of all the calorie-producing foods. They have been blacklisted by skittish dieters who worry that they are the bane of their weight gain. But low-carb dieters may have been misinformed. Eating a diet rich in carbohydrates doesn't necessary cause weight gain, but eating too much of the wrong ones can. Carbohydrates are the fuel for life and knowing the good from the bad can help you decide which ones to eat and which ones to beat.



Still, you can't judge a carb by its cover. Some complex carbs are more advantageous than others. Whole grains are not only more nutritious, they are digested more slowly and are less likely to cause a rush of glucose. White flour and white rice are complex carbs but they have had all the fibrous goodies stripped out. And while French fries are made from nutritious potato, deep-frying it in oil sabotages any complex carb goodness.




Now, with the infant cereal, yes, all the goodness has been stripped out which is why it is fortified with all the vitamins and minerals that an infant needs. Especially iron. After 6 months a babies stored iron depletes rapidly. They need iron for their brain development. So, it may be refined but it is packed full of added goodness.



http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/good-carb...

Rosie - posted on 06/16/2012

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grains aren't required for your body to be healthy- fiber is, and there are other foods out there that contain fiber that can be used instead. :) carbs, not fat, cause you to be fat, carbs are in grains.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/16/2012

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Yes, we have fat people (and a lot more than we used to) but no where near the epidemic, it is in the US.



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My main point though, was/is that grains are a required food for your body to remain healthy. People need to stop eating high fats and grease, if they don't want to be fat. They need to exercise everyday and realize that you will feel better if you eat and exercise appropriately.



Infant cereal is not going to make a child fat unless they are forced an over abundance of it. Just like anything that was forced into them....

Elfrieda - posted on 06/16/2012

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Meme, do you not think we have a problem with obesity in Canada? I'm in Ontario, and there are certainly lots of obese people around. It's especially sad when they're little kids.

Yes, another rabbit trail. Sorry. ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/16/2012

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Actually, I just got back from my GI appointment and the Gastroenterologist suggested I eat MORE whole grains. Actually, so that I get more psyllium in my diet, it was recommended I eat more cereals with it in it. Ones such as Fibre One. I already eat a large variety of vegetables, I am not a fruit person because I do not like sweet things (my family is opposite, they love fruit more but they also like veggies).



Recent interest in psyllium has arisen primarily due to its use as an ingredient in high-fiber breakfast cereals, which is claimed to be effective in reducing blood cholesterol levels in those who consume it. Several studies point to a cholesterol reduction attributed to a diet that includes dietary fiber such as psyllium. Research reported in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition concludes that the use of soluble-fiber cereals is an effective and well-tolerated part of a prudent diet for the treatment of mild to moderate hypercholesterolemia.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyllium



We also have a Daily Canadian Food Guide and it recommends a certain amount of grains, daily. Which is perhaps why we do not have a high obese epidemic. We are taught in school what a daily, healthy, food regimen is.



Canadian Food Guide:

http://www.heartandstroke.com/site/c.ikI...



About whole grains:

Research shows that eating whole grains such as oatmeal, whole-wheat bread, and brown rice as part of a healthy diet can help reduce the risk of heart disease, some types of cancer, and Type-2 diabetes.



Oats are especially beneficial, having been shown to reduce cholesterol. They also may help regulate blood sugar levels and can aid weight control.




http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/why-are...

Ericka - posted on 06/16/2012

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i gave my son infant cereal by feeding him by spoon, but he didn't like the texture. even though the nutritionists and dr's might say its wrong to do is put it in the lil ones breast milk or formula. thats the only way it worked and helps keep them a lil full longer. u might want to try it.

Rosie - posted on 06/15/2012

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i don't think it should be recommended as a first food. most people i know simply think that rice cereal is what the child should be eating and give it too them multiple times a day-including myself.
as i've gotten older and wiser, lol, i have learned a few more things, and don't feel it is necessary at all for a child. do i think of it as some horrible evil thing? well...no. it is nutritious, has iron, vitamins etc...but i think that all people should be eating mostly vegetables and fruits, and the way that doctors, WIC, and all these "experts" make you feel like grains of any kind are necessary to the diet when in all actuality they aren't. in fact WHOLE (plain rice cereal isn't whole..but they do make brown rice cereal) grains contain phytic acid which binds to minerals (like iron, calcium) and makes it so you don't absorb them.

so overall..i don't scoff at women who feed them to their kids, i did. i just wish that these experts would really push veggies and fruits instead of making it seem like grains are necessary to have a healthy child.

Beth - posted on 06/13/2012

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I didn't realize feeding cereal was a controversy? By six months, infants are ready for solids. You don't have to introduce them, but at that age their appetite tends to increase, and their body is ready for food, so it's a good time to start. They recommend you start with rice cereal because it's very tolerable for their little systems, and it's not likely to be an allergen for your baby.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/13/2012

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Jodi---For the record, we grow our own food, so we eat fresh or frozen organic fruits, vegetables, meats and eggs. That includes our juice. My kids do every once in while get cookies, we eat processed cheese when we eat it, etc etc. 95% of the time we eat organic, 99% of each meal is organic, so yeah, I bash on rice cereal because we have a very healthy diet, feeding rice cereal in our house would be the equivalent of feeding my kids popcorn for one meal a day! lol

I think it's great that you have the ability to do this. I can only wish I could. Our garden space has been overtaken by goat weed and there is no getting rid of it. Since even if we did back hoe it out, the neighbours have it too and it would just migrate its way back. Really, most city people do not have the advantage you do.

I understand most in this thread eat healthy, this includes me and my family (oh but I did give rice cereal). We eat very healthy, very rare processed food intake (including snacks). As I have said, I home cook every single meal and it costs us a fortune ($900/month). However, I still used infant cereal. So, I don't agree that if someone is against infant cereal it means they more often than not, provide a healthy diet or vice versa.

I did give my son infant cereal for months (for his breakfast) but not the rice type (the rice was only for the first 3 days).

Also, yes, it all boils down to moderation. So, I do agree (and made several statements in this thread) that as long as you eat mostly healthy, a little junk here and there is not going to harm you. Neither is infant cereal for breakfast everyday for a few months. I know this because my son is healthy. He is just as healthy as any other kid his age. In some instances he is healthier. He has not been sick in 6 months. Most kids at his daycare are always sick. ;)

Jodi - posted on 06/13/2012

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"I know many parents that give their kids juice, which is not only packed full of empty calories but has little no now nutrients. Since when we speak of fruits and veggies, the most fiber and nutrients are actually in the skin. Also, juice is highly processed with added sugars.



I also know many parents that give their 7 month olds KD and processed baby cookies and those puffs and so forth. I am sorry but if you give your infant/toddler any crap food/drinks, than that person cannot be so against infant cereal's. It just doesn't make sense. Especially where infant rice cereal is typically only for a few days to a week or two."



While I don't think you can compare puffs ( a light snack more for fine motor skills than actual nutrition) to something used as a primary food in meals, I agree with you to a point about parents who feed their kids crap.



However, it's to a point. If, for the majority you child eats a well balanced, healthful diet, a few processed foods isn't much, if however you feed your kid crap all day everyday, then yes, it's quite hypocritical to bash rice cereal.



For the record, we grow our own food, so we eat fresh or frozen organic fruits, vegetables, meats and eggs. That includes our juice. My kids do every once in while get cookies, we eat processed cheese when we eat it, etc etc. 95% of the time we eat organic, 99% of each meal is organic, so yeah, I bash on rice cereal because we have a very healthy diet, feeding rice cereal in our house would be the equivalent of feeding my kids popcorn for one meal a day! lol



Many people may give their infants and toddlers lots of processed foods, but I think that most of the people in THIS thread who are saying rice cereal is very low on the totem pole are not those people. From what I know from the past and what's been stated here, those saying it's poor eat very healthful diets low in processed foods. I'm guessing you'll find that with most people who are so adamently against rice cereal, at least the people *I* know.



ETA: I have found that most people keep using rice cereal for up to several months as a thickening agent in baby foods, so actually, it's commonly (at least here) used much longer than a few days to a week.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/13/2012

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Yep, as I have said ample times in this thread, I acknowledge that unprocessed foods are better in nutrition. However, I also know that infant cereal is packed full of added nutrients and vitamins. Yes, it is processed but so are many things people give their infants/toddlers.



I know many parents that give their kids juice, which is not only packed full of empty calories but has little no now nutrients. Since when we speak of fruits and veggies, the most fiber and nutrients are actually in the skin. Also, juice is highly processed with added sugars.



I also know many parents that give their 7 month olds KD and processed baby cookies and those puffs and so forth. I am sorry but if you give your infant/toddler any crap food/drinks, than that person cannot be so against infant cereal's. It just doesn't make sense. Especially where infant rice cereal is typically only for a few days to a week or two.



I am not saying and have not said it is the BEST. I have said it is an available choice and if a parent needs to use it OR they feel more comfortable using it, then they have that choice. They are not going to harm their child. They are not going to make their kid FAT. The child is still going to grow and develop in the EXACT same way as a kid that had banana or carrots (or whatever) as their first food.



Toni, yes I understand the baby led weaning, now. I have always been aware of it, just not with that term affixed to it. We simply call it "finger foods". I did this with my daughter, after a week or two of cereals. She did fine feeding herself. She was not a gagger nor did she shove everything in her mouth (as my son likes to do at times but he now feeds himself, I just need to make sure his chunks are not too big).

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Thanks for clarifying meme, I can understand why you said you do not agree with blw now if you thought I was talking about weaning from the breast/ bottle completely, I wasn't I was talking about weaning onto solids meaning baby will feed themselves chunks Of foods. That's why I brought it up because blw removes the use of baby cereal and baby rice because the children are feeding whole (or chunked food).

Nobody is denying it is a starter food, just there is far better foods to use as a starter food for most children (again there are exceptions to the rule). the NHS say that homemade food is best, which is what we are saying, homemade or prepared food is better than mass made food, there are less (if any) chemicals, additives, salt, sugar etc in homemade foods than the jarred and boxed stuff stores sell, so yes you can use baby cereal and rice but fruit and veg prepared (and sometimes grown) at home is far better (for most).

(http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/pregnancy-a...)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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Stiffler--- I think a part of my sons problem and some other infants, is not only the texture but also the flavour. He gagged on anything that was not very bland or that did not taste like his milk. It didn't matter how thin it was he gagged/barfed, every single time. Which is why I had to mix veggies and fruits into his cereals, after a week or two. He got oat/barley/wheat cereals after the first 3 days of rice.



Sorry Jodi. I took it as directed at me. Figured you were saying I was ignorant. Wouldn't be the first time. ;)



I also must have misunderstood what Toni was refering to with Baby led weaning. Since what I think of with that title is, allowing your baby to wean themselves from the breast and/or bottle (I was a bit unsure of why that was being added). I have never heard of it also meaning to allow your child to feed themselves. If that is indeed what you meant, Toni, then I apologize. I do agree with that, if it works. It simply would not work for my son, he could not do anything in chunks until he was almost 14 months. Like I said, I was so worried that I had to bring him to an eating specialist. I was concerned that he had something wrong but in the end he just wasn't ready yet to handle chunky or really thick foods. By the time he turned 10 months he was eating what a 8 month old would eat (still no chunks, though). He couldn't use the 3-6month old nipples (fast flow) until he was 10 months or he would gag and barf. Now, he is eating everything, as he should be for his age, he just needed time. Cereal was a great starter food for him and it is for many infants.



I can say there are lots of kids that have this issue because I saw them at the hospital's infant eating office. There wouldn't be a complete medical area dedicated to this if it was not common.



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Fixed for clarification.



Also, I can say, that even though I did not baby led wean with my son, he eats everything, now. He likes it all. I have never had him refuse something. He also eats everything at Daycare. Actually, that's not true, he does not like apples. He probably remembers they give him a sore bum.

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I'm not sure how rice cereal is better than mashed pumpkin or avocado they are the same texture.

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"although many people are quick to dismiss it simply because it's not all that popular and they don't understand it...ignorance is bliss as the saying goes! lol " yeaaaahhhh...wasn't calling *you* ignorant. If you actually read the statement I made, I was referring to people who dismiss it simply because they don't know much about it ignorant...which would actually be the definition of ignorance. The last paragraph was a generalized statement about my agreement with Toni, not at all directed at you.



ETA: if you want a break, feel free to not respond. This is after all a debate board. lol ;)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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Diddo Jodi Z. ;)



I can find just as many articles or references stating that infant cereal is a good starter food. I know there are other foods but all I am trying to say is "other" foods are not for everyone or all babies. Some people are comfortable with giving infant cereal first and they do have doctors backing them up. It is not a poor choice, you can think it is all your heart desires. It is a choice, just like everything else. It is made for infants, it is enriched with a lot of nutrients that they need, including iron. It is no different than a mother that must or chooses to use formula. Yep, it is man made but you know what? It does what it is intended to do, feed the child with nutrients. The child will still grow and develop and be just as smart as the next kid. So give me a break, will ya...



I most definitely do understand, Jodi Z. As I said, I had to start with infant cereal. Also, some babies need it due to gastric reflux. Not sure how ignorant I am there but I know there are damn good reasons why some Mom's choose infant cereal. Perhaps it is someone else that is ignorant? Since I have never said it was the best food, I just said there is nothing wrong with it as a starter food.

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Healthy foods that your family eats are good to start with as long as they are plain, with no added salt, sugar or spices. You can also use commercial baby foods, as long as you check the label to ensure there is no added salt or sugar.
Grain products. At 6 to 9 months, offer your baby up to 30 to 60 mL (2 to 4 tbsp.) of iron-fortified infant cereal, twice a day. Then try other grain products such as small pieces of dry toast or unsalted crackers. At 9 to 12 months, offer other plain cereals, whole grain bread, rice and pasta.

This is a link from our IWK Children and Woman's hospital. Again, they say it is just fine and most definitely acceptable to use infant cereal as a starter food. Again, I will trust a professional, before going by a non-professionals "opinion".


I will trust my own research over blindly following ANY single link or expert's opinion. I did a lot of research on the effect it has on the GI system of babies, as Jodi stated, the sugars in it and how it effects infants etc etc. Your link says it's an acceptable form of food to start with, well really, ANY food is acceptable, if it won't kill a baby then it's acceptable right? The very first line of your paragraph says: "Healthy foods that your family eats are good to start with as long as they are plain, with no added salt, sugar or spices." Wonder why that was put FIRST instead of rice cereal followed by healthy foods your family eats? Once again, I said I don't think it's a "bad" choice, but I certainly don't think it's the best choice.

I'm with Toni, totally into babyled weaning, that's what we did with the twins, my first born had pureed, organic, from the garden foods. BLW is the best thing I ever did with my twins besides nursing. They love a huge variety of foods, eat only when they're hungry, they actually rarely snack because they eat enough at meals. I'm a huge supporter of BLW, but I know it's not for everyone, although many people are quick to dismiss it simply because it's not all that popular and they don't understand it...ignorance is bliss as the saying goes! lol

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"Toni--- I am also NOT in agreement with baby led weaning. Just not my cup of tea and not the best for my family or children. It may be best for another family and that is great, for them. It would never happen in my home." meme

What's to agree with? Blw is a form of introducing solids, it takes babies cues to feed, thus limiting over eating because baby only eats if hungry and mom/ dad isn't coercing them to eat more. It isn't the only method of introducing solids and I only said in my experience it is a far better way to wean not that for everyone it is. Did you mean it wasn't for you rather than you are not in agreement with it? I really can't see what's not to agree with, it's not harmful to children.

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Here you go, here is an expert opinion for you then:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/w_Parenting...

I understand there are other experts who don't agree, BUT knowing what I do about the glycaemic index, and the way our bodies convert sugars, I absolutely agree with Dr Greene that it shouldn't be a first food for babies.

I didn't realise there is now brown rice cereal. I still wouldn't choose it as a first food, but it isn't nearly as bad as white rice.

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I love avocado! I never gave my son the rice cereal. I have friends who did and friends who also put it in their baby's bottle. Their babies are healthy. I don't think there is anything horribly wrong with giving it to your baby. I just didn't want to. My son's first solid foods were avocado, bananas, and sweet potatoes - which I made myself. As he got older, I made brown rice for him instead of boxed stuff.

I agree with what a lot of you are saying. But, the obesity problem in this country didn't start with rice cereal.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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Nope, I do not like that rice. I am one heck of a cook and can follow directions pretty well. I do not like the scent nor the flavour. I have also boughten it at a Turkish restaraunt (I hope they know how to make it), yep, make me barf. ;)

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I LOVE Jasmine rice. You just have to know how to cook it right. If you like Chinese fried rices at all, most likely you are eating Jasmine rice.

Basmati rice is the same way. You have to know how to cook it right. Actually that really goes for any rice. Basmati was one of the rices in the baby food book that I have that was recommended to give.

Krista - posted on 06/12/2012

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Mmm...avocado. So yummy on a sandwich or in a salad.

Or in guacamole. With chips. And beer.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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I also detest avocado. I want to like it sooo much, so I try it every few months. I buy one and almost hurl when tasting it.....ewwww I am with you Janice.

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You don't like avocado? Not even thinly sliced over toast and heavily salted? Mmmm. :) My husband doesn't like it either.

As a kid, I hated it, but now I really like it. My son liked it when he was first starting solids, then he liked it only if it was sitting on a cracker, and now at 2.5 hates the sliminess and won't touch the stuff. I think he'll come around and in the meantime, that means more for me...

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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Jodi---Secondly, there was a time when pediatricians believed, and taught that formula is better than breastmilk. There was a time when pediatricians warned mothers against holding their own children for anything other than feedings and changing. So actually, pediatricians are human too and advise things that are later found to be bad for the health and well being of children. It's incredibly ignorant to say anything along the lines of "if it were so bad they wouldn't allow it, they wouldn't sell it, they would ban it, they wouldn't advise it" etc etc. Even experts are human, and can make mistakes.



I will take an experts opinion over a "non-experts" opinion. Thanks. ;)



As I have said, there are a variety of foods to start with but there is absolutely nothing wrong with starting with infant cereal.



Healthy foods that your family eats are good to start with as long as they are plain, with no added salt, sugar or spices. You can also use commercial baby foods, as long as you check the label to ensure there is no added salt or sugar.

Grain products. At 6 to 9 months, offer your baby up to 30 to 60 mL (2 to 4 tbsp.) of iron-fortified infant cereal, twice a day. Then try other grain products such as small pieces of dry toast or unsalted crackers. At 9 to 12 months, offer other plain cereals, whole grain bread, rice and pasta.




This is a link from our IWK Children and Woman's hospital. Again, they say it is just fine and most definitely acceptable to use infant cereal as a starter food. Again, I will trust a professional, before going by a non-professionals "opinion".



http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/handouts...



ETA:

Toni--- I am also NOT in agreement with baby led weaning. Just not my cup of tea and not the best for my family or children. It may be best for another family and that is great, for them. It would never happen in my home.

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I was advised to feed fruits as a first food but cereal was an option if real food was too strong tasting for my son. He had rice cereal a handful of times and every time it constipated him, we already had issues with constipation for him so we were giving him adequate amounts of water, we stopped using rice cereal and I've never brought another box, personally I think it's vile and will recommend against it for my friends babies, there is so much more out there that is better for them and nicer, although obviously there are exceptions for whom rice cereal is better but for the vast majorities it simply isn't.

With my daughter I used baby led weaning (Which is now advised by the NHS where I live) so rice Cereal isn't needed as baby is given table food rather than purees. Baby led weaning is far better way to wean your baby in my experience.

Neither of my children ate jar food, it was all freshly made (I lie I gave my son, no attempted to give my son one jar food while we were on a day trip once, he hated the consistency and ate my food far easier so I never bothered again, I just took my home made food out).

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"Funny thing is, just because YOU have been told otherwise does not mean it is a bad choice. If it was so bad, then I highly doubt so many Peds would be recommending it, as well as Hospitals for Children (that employ groups of pediatricians)."



Two things here, please show me where I said rice cereal is bad. I don't think rice cereal is a "bad" choice, I do however, believe it is FAR from the best choice.



Secondly, there was a time when pediatricians believed, and taught that formula is better than breastmilk. There was a time when pediatricians warned mothers against holding their own children for anything other than feedings and changing. So actually, pediatricians are human too and advise things that are later found to be bad for the health and well being of children. It's incredibly ignorant to say anything along the lines of "if it were so bad they wouldn't allow it, they wouldn't sell it, they would ban it, they wouldn't advise it" etc etc. Even experts are human, and can make mistakes.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 06/12/2012

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Jodi----"Jodi - that is your experience. I am going by what I was told by two separate pediatricians." No shit that's my experience, as I clearly stated. You however made a lump statement. "It is still highly recommended by DOCTORS." I debated your lump statement. MY statement goes by a lot more than just 2 pediatricians btw.



I can only go by the two peds I have actually sat in front of BUT as I have said our Children's Hospital also recommends infant cereal as a starter or veggies or meat. So, I bet you there are way more pediatricians at our Children's hospital than how many you have sat down with. They say that it IS a recommended starter food, along with others, since it is a choice. Funny thing is, just because YOU have been told otherwise does not mean it is a bad choice. If it was so bad, then I highly doubt so many Peds would be recommending it, as well as Hospitals for Children (that employ groups of pediatricians).



If you want we can have a pissing contest all day. I have been told otherwise and I have been assured by our hospital that infant cereal is a OK and is a fine way to introduce solids. I only have your virtual word that you have been told different. I can log onto our hospital and read it in print.

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"Jodi - that is your experience. I am going by what I was told by two separate pediatricians." No shit that's my experience, as I clearly stated. You however made a lump statement. "It is still highly recommended by DOCTORS." I debated your lump statement. MY statement goes by a lot more than just 2 pediatricians btw.

"Also Jodi, the obesity epidemic is NOT because someone was fed infant cereal. It is because the parents are too damn lazy to cook an appropriate meal, each and every day (I don't mean KD, or potatoes or gravy based or chicken nuggets)." Actually, my siblings and I were all fed competely organic (we raised it ourselves, so yes, 100% organic FOR SURE) fruits, vegetables and meats. I didn't have mac n' cheese for the first time until 3rd grade at a friends house, I didn't eat fast food until 8th grade on a forensics state trip. the same basic rule would apply to my sisters as well. My best friend was raised the same way, raised their own food, mom cooked every single night etc etc. The theory behind rice cereal has to do with filling the tummy too much, the baby gets used to having a too full belly, wants more food more often and so the cycle goes. I was a thin child, so were my sisters, as I got older, I got fatter, so did my sisters. Is it all due to rice cereal...absolutely not (although I eat a healthy diet and excercise regularly). But your statement was: "People have been giving their infants fortified rice cereal for years and years. I bet each one of you had rice cereal to start. Are you saying your not healthy or weren't as a child? Lets get a general census." You asked, I supplied an answer. I had rice cereal, my sisters and several friends were fed rice cereal, my cousins etc etc, and many of us are not healthy. I never once said we're not healthy *because* we had rice cereal as children, I said, following your question, that yes we had rice cereal, but no we're not healthy. I also stated that diet as a child (not necessarily just rice cereal as an infant) plays a major role in your diet and health as an adult. YOU made the leap of rice cereal makes adults less healthy. I think it plays a part, but it is not me who ever hinted at it being an only factor.

P.S., sorry it took so long to get back here, it's been a crazy busy weekend and week already! And it's only Tuesday! lol

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I'm not a fan of rice cereal. I don't think it's the most harmful thing you can feed your baby, but I don't think it's the healthiest thing either. We only used it for a very short while, just because I thought that's what I was supposed to do. But we switched to oat cereal shortly thereafter, and then mostly veggies and meat.

Next time around, I won't even bother with the rice cereal. I'll probably start straight off with a mild-tasting veggie like avocado.

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Posts about people adding rice cereal to bottles is a norm on COM. Not in debating moms but definitely other forums. Also it seems to be the go to advice I hear whenever a FB mom friend posts about there baby not sleeping.



While cereal may be the only way to go for some baby's like your son Meme, it is not necessary for most, which is what WIC is suggesting by their guidelines. I never bought rice cereal for my son. I chose oatmeal because it just seemed to make more sense. Oatmeal is better for you than white rice so that's why I chose it. Granted i could be wrong about that, since I didn't do a ton of research on that. Then we moved on to veggies. While most people don't think about it, you could choose to thin out pureed veggies with breast milk or formula if necessary. The WIC recommendations are stupid.

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He had this problem until he was 14 months. Needless to say, the cereal did help him along and he did get other foods, such as veggies (after his starter to cereal). I had to bring him to an infant/toddler eating specialist, it was that bad.

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Also, they now make a brown rice infant cereal. So, if I had been able to buy that, I would've. The OP only states "infant rice cereal", so it doesn't necessarily mean "white".

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Renae did too whenever I tried to feed her mashed potatoes if we were having it. I just waited until she wanted to eat with her hands to give her food after that.

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