5 Reasons Why American Riots Will Be the Worst in the World

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 08/12/2011 ( 83 moms have responded )

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"We're Number 1! We're Number 1!"

1. Arrogance – All of our lives we have been fed the lie that somehow we are better than everyone else. We believe this so much that we feel it is morally acceptable to stick our noses in everyone's business. We have 777+ military bases all over the world. Our currency is the world's reserve currency. We control most international organizations like the UN, IMF and World Bank. We control the world's shipping lanes. Our media is the most popular and sought after propaganda in the world. Our corporations harvest the resources that our empire provides. This has lead to an American way of life that is not negotiable. We print debt and consume. This way of life was only possible by the very real and hard sacrifices made by Americans long dead. America today is nothing more than a spoiled brat blowing through the last of their inheritance. The only thing the US is number 1 in is spreading debt and death.

This American arrogance will be turned on to other Americans as the dollar collapses. We will no longer be able to maintain the global empire of force without a functioning currency. All of our troops will be forced to come home and we will no longer be able to import 25% of the world's oil. This sudden shift will turn arrogant Americans on each other as they seek to enforce their inflated sense of self worth on to others. They will think that somehow the world somehow owes them something and they believe that lesser people should make that sacrifice for them. After all, the American way of life is not negotiable… at least that's what Dick Cheney said.

"Everything is fine today, that is our illusion." ~ Voltaire

2. Denial – For those that aren't arrogant, they are in denial that somehow they are okay because they are good people. They believe that the America will recover and that the American Dream is still alive. They believe this because they either lack the ability to logically see through the lies or they believe that the people ruling them have the same morals as they do. You cannot spread freedom with war. A nation cannot enforce their will on another nation anymore than you can enforce your will upon another. There will always be blow back. Of course that is the plan of your rulers. They do not share the same values as you do. They seek to create chaos and division so that they can garner more power and profits.

"You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of reality." ~ Ayn Rand

The dollar collapse will end the ability of the average American to deny their active or passive participation in the dominance of the world by spreading debt and death. When people's entire life's savings are wiped away, they will wonder what their life has been all about. All of the missed times with their family and connections with others has been stained by the pursuit of material gains. Only when everything is taken from them, will they start to see the real importance of life. Many will not be able to come to terms with this coming reality. Those that are aware and prepared stand a great chance of making it through this paradigm shift and thrive. (Join the Sons of Liberty Academy.)


3. Narcissism – The amount of narcissism in America is epidemic. The fascination with celebrities and their clothes consumes so many women. Men are addicted to worshiping sports figures. We have this fear of competition and view others as enemies. This leads to shallow and transitory relationships. Americans consume their way into debt as they try to create an outer facade to hide a void in their vapid lives.

The Baby Boomer generation is known as the "Me" generation. Their obsessive pursuit for material possessions was matched by their embrace of debt. The dollar collapse is going to hit the Baby Boomers the hardest as they are forced to come to term with the trail of pain they have left in their wake. Broken families and debt are just the tip of the iceberg. The war and debt machine they enabled and unleashed upon the world is a much harder reality they will have to deal with. The real problem is the sad fact that many of them will be too old to have a second chance on life.

4. Drugs – Millions of Americans turn to drugs to fill the void of true purpose in their lives. Instead of dealing with a past a hurt or seeking a higher purpose in their lives by helping others and using their natural talents to make a better world, people turn to drugs. The worst kind of drugs are the ones that people believe are making them better. The powerful psychotropic drugs like Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI) or more commonly known as anti-depressants. These drugs are extremely powerful and can cause psychotic breaks that lead to violence. Go to http://ssristories.com/ to see the list of nearly 4,300 cases of crime related to these drugs. These stories include everything from the Virginia Tech shooting to the mom that drowned her 5 kids in the bathtub. I would say that these drugs are much more dangerous than guns, because they cause the people to break from reality and cause the violence.

I don’t have time to go into the mass medication of America and the real reason why Marijuana is illegal, but I do want to warn everyone of one thing. Nearly 10% of the country or 27 million Americans are on these drugs. Knowing that there is only a one month supply in the system and the kind of psychotic breaks that will happen if people come off these drugs too fast, this is definitely not a good thing. When the dollar collapses, we not only have to worry about the 7 to 10 day supply of food and fuel in the system, we really need to worry about the 1 in 10 Americans who are not going to be medicated while their world paradigm collapses. I can see it now, humanitarian airlifts dropping Zoloft and Lexapro from the sky…

5. Violence – Violence has been apart of our American culture since the beginning of our country. We have the most armed population and the highest crime rates in the world. The violence we will see in some parts of America could become as bad as the Reign of Terror from the French Revolution. I wrote the 2 Coming American Revolutions. One Revolution will embrace founding fathers vision of Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. The other Revolution will be some collectivist vision of coercion and fear. Some parts of this country will confront the new post-dollar paradigm by embracing freedom and honest money. Others will try to hold onto power by becoming more tyrannical and finding enemies within their neighbors.

We are surrounded by violence and have been desensitized anti social behavior. Our movies and video games show the killing of others but rarely the consequences of those actions. Even other anti social behavior has been normalized. I even realized my favorite show of all time Seinfeld was all about normalizing anti social behavior. The series finale was based on a man getting mugged and all 4 main characters not only not helping the man, but actually making fun of the man as he is violently robbed. This lack of empathy is at the root of our problems. So here we now have a society that not only cares only about themselves and their materialistic needs, we also have a society that no longer cares about other's feelings.

(Okay so What do you think...is this a load of BS or can you agree...thoughts?)

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I don't believe US riots would be worse than other countries.
The only differences I see in comparison with this weeks UK riots is the Americans have guns to use on each other!

Rioting in any Western society is mindless thuggery. People complaining they are SO poor they need to organize riots on their Blackberry phones (can afford them can't they) to loot high end shops so they can stick it to the rich.

They aren't looting because they need food for their starving families. They aren't rioting because they are living in fear of a tyrannical dictator. There is no camaraderie of the masses against one great foe.

It's a minority of selfish, entitled individuals who have no respect for the rest of society. I don't believe this is any different in the US than the UK.

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I disagree riots everywhere suck, just look at the riots in the UK this week there have been looting and arson as well as min less vandalism and destruction. Peoples homes and businesses have been burnt down and destroyed...most people in the UK can't legally own a gun yet there have been people found shot in cars during the riots, as well as people attacked (and dying from their injuries), people run over and killed for trying to protect their property, people left for dead in the streets and people having to jump from second storey windows due to fires.

When riots are involved EVERYONE involved has an entitled attitude, you should hear some of the things the rioters/ looters have been saying (we are doing it to prove a point to the rich people for example). They are deliberately looting high end stores such as armarni and boutiques and electrical stores not the low price stores such as primark.

I don't think the US is the most violent place look at all the atrocities across the world there are much worse things than what happen ithe US.

Overall riots are a waste of time and are just destructive wherever they are!

Kate CP - posted on 08/12/2011

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I call BS on a few things. The violence thing is a bunch of crap. Think of all the blood and wars and conflicts fought all over the world. Hello, the Crusades? But WE are the bloodiest, most violent nation in the world? Bullshit. Also, the drug thing. There are illegal drugs and the problems they bring ALL OVER this planet.

Riots in America are bad because...well...riots EVERYWHERE are bad! You throw guns in the mix and voila! Instant anarchy. I'm sorry but I've never seen a headline or heard a newscaster say

"The riots in such and such weren't that bad, authorities say." If it's a riot it's GOING to suck. Doesn't matter where it is or who's doing the rioting.

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Angela - posted on 08/24/2011

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I am glad you are proud of your country and will protect it at all costs. just remember every other lady here sees things from a different point of view.



I never said I was proud or would protect it at all cost..... sorry but you are taking things for granted

And yes I know of South Africa's history but by no means would I blame all of Africa's problems on SA. thta is my point. It is easy to point fingers at someone else is it not?

Angela - posted on 08/24/2011

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Desiree
Your statements sound so familiar it seems there are a large group of people who just parrot each other making blanket statements while pointing fingers at the big bad USA. What I say to you and them is this; you should be looking in your own backyard learn some facts beyond generalizations and what is headlines for news.
As far as the USD, yes that is true and a fact. But you do not go further with details as to how the dollar took down the world. Another powerful currencies are the Euro and the pound. What part to you give these economies?
World resources, that covers a lot. I agree the USA uses a lot of resources and there is waste and the USA should do better however.... so does the rest of the world. This is a global problem not just an American problem.
You can't be saying that European governments were forced to go to war ! They are allies of the USA and thus why they went to war. It was agreed upon by the governments of those countries, not the USA forcing them to do so. I am not saying that some citizens were not against the war, but that is not the USA issue or problem. If you have a problem with your governments decision's you can't blame the USA, blame your government. By the way many American citizens are against the war should I be blaming Western Europeans for being allies with the USA because I am against the war?
As far as American movies, music etc...American government has not any jurisdiction to make you watch it or listen to or consume anything form America. However your government can make stipulations as to what you consume and do. If you don't like it make demands on your government for more of your home based entertainment.
Take accountability for the real fact and that is North American and Western Europe is very wealthy and we all screwed up. I see not any difference between the USA debt ceiling debate not being settled form the EU not being able to get a grip on the debt crisis facing Greece, Spain, Ireland etc. We all went to be together on this everyone had some fingers in the greedy pot.
I do not condone all of what has happened in the USA anymore than I condone it here in Western Europe.

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Angela - posted on 09/26/2011

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USA, EU etc all of us have GREED and All have good things too. I think compromise is good but who wants to do that lately especially in Western Politics!
But yes I agree it would be nice if we could all get along and compromise and if we were not so greedy by nature.

Brittany - posted on 09/25/2011

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Angela, part of the reason there are so many problems going on is because, everyone (including us) has this idea that we have to one up each other.

Someone always has to be on top, better than everyone else, regardless of the consequence. Human beings are the same way, we have to Alpha.

This mindset is what kills. If we could all work together a lot more issues and problems would be resolved. Of course, that would take everyone (in the world) to let go of old issues, address how to come to a compromise and move forward.

I never said my plan would happen and I am not a Political Science major but, I do think it is about time for all of us to move forward and work on major world issues instead of causing more issues.

As far as a socialized Government, that is a whole different can of worms.

Angela - posted on 09/25/2011

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Britt,Actually the EU is a good example of what you are talking about however it does not guarantee shit really.

American is not a socialist country and to make it so would mean it would not be America but a new country. I am not for that. I do not think it would solve problems.

UN and EU zones already exist and all have issues and at the moment the EU Zones are facing big troubles.

Brittany - posted on 09/24/2011

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Niki,

You still have not given me your own solution but, you did give me more questions that I will answer.

"How can that possibly help? Does every country want to work together?"

We would not be adding anything. The UN already exists. The laws would directly affect the working of a reformed UN.

"Does every country want to work together? "
Countries in the UN want to work together or else they would not be part of it.

"what would they work together towards?"

Helping gain a peaceful, successful living for those nation involved.

" If a country doesn't want to join, what would be done about those countries?"

As it stands not ever country is part of the UN. We still value their opinions.

" Can you guarantee that this board of people wouldn't be like Hitler? Who would you suggest be on the board? How many people? From what countries? How much power would each person have? Over what? How would it function?"

These would be individuals ELECTED by their people. Just like we elect our President. Elections would be no different. Much of what is going on in the Middle East right now is them fighting for their freedoms to do things like vote and elect their leaders. The "board" would consist of those in power. Our President represents us at UN meetings. Thus he or she would be the "board" member for this. Any country involved in the UN. Each persons power would be equal. We must remember not all if fair in love and war.

"What would be its exact purpose? What and how much power would the board be given?"

I think I have answered these two already.

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It's definiatly not one world order because it's not a good idea. Like socialism, it may sound good but it doesn't work. All we would be doing is adding another layer of bureaucracy. How can that possibly help? Does every country want to work together? Doubtful. Even IF they did, what would they work together towards? If a country doesn't want to join, what would be done about those countries? Can you guarantee that this board of people wouldn't be like Hitler? Who would you suggest be on the board? How many people? From what countries? How much power would each person have? Over what? How would it function? What would be its exact purpose? What and how much power would the board be given?

Brittany - posted on 09/24/2011

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Niki,

There is a lot more that would go into it then what I explained. Learning to unify and work together it what it is about. Not running around killing each other.

Obviously what we are doing now is not working. Did you miss the part where I said that attacking another nation would be considered treason? That War Crime charges would be applied? The nations would have the ability to elect their own leaders. One person would not be able to over throw the rest of them.

Our founding Fathers did wonderful things but, what they do not teach you in History is that what they did was Treason. Granted they were searching for Religious and Political freedoms. They wanted a nation where everyone worked together, regardless of their differences.

What we are doing now is not working. So what is your suggestion?

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So you want one world order, Brittney? What happens if we get a Hitler? Or a board of them?





"In this regard, history tells us we are doomed to more violent narcissists."



Were the founding fathers of America violent narcissists? Did they not accomplish something good? Something the USA has just strayed too far from?

Brittany - posted on 09/23/2011

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I read what was stated and it is kind of funny that I found this today because, my husband and I have discussed several of the view points brought up here.

1. Arrogance - Yes, I suppose America as a whole is arrogant. We are, and have been, the number one super power of the world for a long long time. Our ways have kept us in this spot. The whole world DOES revolve around America. I am not saying that to be big headed. If America collapses, so does everyone else. In return America depends on every single other nation. If a riot ensues in a South African tribe, it will affect us, even if we do not realize it. This is why we have a "big brother" mentality and we feel we must always put our hands in the cookie jar. (I am going to give you all something I came up with not to long ago, I am sure I am not the only person to think this.)

2. People are always and will forever be in denial. You can tell yourself that America is doing just fine but, come on the Republicans and Democrats can not even compromise without acting like children.

3. The Baby Boomers....they are my favorite topic to discuss. At the time they were born America was well....booming. Everyone had money, men were coming home from war, woman were becoming more empowered and industry was taking place of farming. They had more money to give their children and more to provide their children. Which in turn made their children believe that they should have everything handed to them. When these individuals had children, they handed their children everything on a platter. I am not saying this is every case but, I have witnessed this personally. That is a whole different story, though.

4. I am a supporter of the legalization of marijuana. I do not use marijuana and if it were legal to use I would not use it. I do not care for any type of smoking. I recently did a speech on this. From a medical aspect, the pharmaceutical companies do not want it legal because, of the possibilities of THC. Depending on the level of THC, it can cure everything from Wasting Syndrome to Breast Cancer to helping reverse Alzheimer's. The THC does NOT have to inhaled it can be removed from the plant and injected. There are ZERO deaths where the direct cause was smoking marijuana. Not to mention, that by legalizing it YES it will created more revenue then our national debt. We must remember to house an individual in jail for one year it is $40,000 on average. The minimum sentence (in most places) for felony marijuana is 5 years. This $40,000 does not include public defender fees, the police pay, paperwork, judge, and the actual arrest. Those come to be around $5,000 of tax payer money. This is money that could go towards building new schools, reworking the public education system, reworking the welfare system, busting meth labs and most important FINDING THE 1.3 MILLION MISSING AMERICAN CHILDREN! Then there is the job creation, which makes more tax payers. I did not even include the amount of taxes the Government would make off of it. I know there is a cigarette tax and I know they make good money off of it. Imagine what they would make off of pot.

5. We so have the highest crime rate, some were around 12 million a year, This is mostly because, our justice system is a joke. We have laws set in place and there are so many loopholes it is insane. If we would legalize marijuana we could rework the justice system and that would fall :)

I was talking to my husband about this the other day and my solution was this, The U.N. should be a force that works together. We have a revolution going on in the Middle East and some think we should stay out of it. Maybe we should back off a little bit but, shouldn't we support our fellow man? We are all in this together, we should all work together to help everyone achieve peace.

What I was thinking is all of the worlds rulers, from any country that is part of the UN should rule as one. We would have UN laws to abide by, country laws to abide by, State laws to abide by, county laws to abide by and city laws to abide by. Not much would change seeing as how the UN Laws would be more focused on attacking other UN countries, starting a war and other matters of national and military importance. To give you an example : If Texas were to rage war on Louisiana, President Obama has EVERY right to jump in and have the Governor of Texas arrested for Treason, War Crimes and who knows what else. Now if The Governor of Texas and The Governor of Louisiana are having a dispute then they can call for a meeting to speak with The President to resolve their issues.

Why can't the UN be like this? The UN does not work the same way. As of right now we can attack anyone in the UN with or without approval. If two UN nations are having an issue it should be reviewed by fellow UN nations and discussed. How many lives would that save? If one leader of a UN nation raged war without approval then he or she would be arrested for War Crimes and Treason.

I am a firm believer in taking care of one another, regardless. I do my best to try and help others when I can, where I can. I do a lot of volunteer work mostly, with Child Abuse Advocacy. Isn't this what life is about? Helping our neighbor?

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are "(Okay so What do you think...is this a load of BS or can you agree...thoughts?)"

Annette - posted on 09/20/2011

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Monique, whether your 5 reasons are right or wrong, you have certainly struck a raw nerve.

For what it's worth, every single thing you say is EXACTLY thew impression the USA gives to the rest of the world. If what you say is overstated or untrue, & the media we see outside the USA is sanitised, then why do we still see an arrogant, narcissistic, drug-addled, violent society in denial?

Unfortunately these things are true. Unfortunately the US economy cannot sustain itself. This has been the case for a long time. This is why aggressive military actions have been undertaken by successive governments in order to prop up the "state of the union".

History tells us that every mighty empire collapses......the USA will be no different.

A new world order will come to pass. Just what it will look like depends on the wisdom & benevolence of its leaders. In this regard, history tells us we are doomed to more violent narcissists.

Angela - posted on 08/26/2011

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@JuLeah are you addressing the post? I think #5 makes close to your point.

JuLeah - posted on 08/25/2011

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You forgot guns. Any kid can go out and get a firearm in this country and gun shot wounds are what is now killing our kids ... add guns to everything else you have listed and we do have a mess ....

Angela - posted on 08/25/2011

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Desiree you did not upset me. I was hoping I did not upset you :). It is just a debate and that is what it is. I certainly do not take it personal unless someone personally attacks me, which you did not. I appreciate your apology it is nice of you.

Oh I completely understand the lack of sleep that is me today. My daughter has a double ear infection. She was up all night and to the early morning hours in pain. Had to wake up at 8:30am after falling asleep at 6:30 am to take in her to the doctors. And I am so dog tired can't think straight myself! Hope you get some sleep. And just so you know one can't have a debate with an oposing view. So I respect but not always agree with other peoples opinions and I also learn more than hanging out with people whom always agree with me.

Desiree - posted on 08/25/2011

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Sorry angela i didn't mean to upset you. I just realized how condicending I sounded my appologiese I can only put it down to getting 1 hours sleep yesterday and not thinking clearly enough to debate this properly. Again I appologise.

Desiree - posted on 08/24/2011

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Angela I live in South Africa I know what it is like to be labled by all and sundry. I am sure that You have heard many a horror story about us. It doesn't make it any less hurthful. I am telling you what people think of Americans simple I never said it was what I thought. I find Americans very contridictory you will shout yourselves blind about freedom this and freedom that when on the recieving end but when the shoe is on the other foot it becomes ok to step on someone elses rights. when I listen to the different arguements I some times sit here and wonder exactly how people think. I am glad you are proud of your country and will protect it at all costs. just remember every other lady here sees things from a different point of view.

Desiree - posted on 08/24/2011

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Angela the reason America is blamed is because most currencies are linked to the dollar and the Gold is linked to the Dollar as well. America also uses and wastes vast quantities of the world resources this is what everyone else sees and Not to mention when they go to war for whatever reason they take half or Europe with them. This is just how it is seen and unfortunatly the many of the people who live there don't dispel any of the negative images portrayed. Everyone follows what the States has to offer because they are great at selling themselves we watch all the movies and sitcoms and series they dish out as well as music. wether good or bad.

Angela - posted on 08/24/2011

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I see it from the other side of the pond too... and I disagree that America took many countries in financial trouble down with them in fact western Europe was the first to have financial troubles.
They have the same issue here in NL, bickering and arguing can't agree, anti immigration , in fact at one point they were so deadlocked we had not any goverment! Same goes with France and Greece riots and don't get me started on Frances PM... How the heck to do blame it all on the USA? Is it just easier that way? Have you been to the USA, lived their how do you really know ?

Desiree - posted on 08/23/2011

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coming from someone who lives on the otherside of the world. This is how we see America and as yet we haven't been proven wrong. sadly to say America is in big trouble financially and taking the rest of the world with it. You asked, I tell it as it is seen from the outside.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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Cathy, REALLY I would have never guessed j/k :)

I respect your stand and to be honest I was trying to give you the full picture of guns in America because many do not know the roots of the law. I figured it would help you understand not to matter if you agree or not of gun ownership.

I agree that guns and riots are not a good thing and again feel it is the people not the guns.

But I passionately believe and my right to have a gun if needed and I really hope I would never need one.

We should do a debate on guns alone what do you think.?

If you want to let me know...I am going to bed, have a good night and thanks for a good debate. Well not bed but its movie nut for the hubby and I!

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Let me reword ....The gang members will not weigh up the pros and cons of the constitution when they use their guns during riots.

Cars were not designed for killing. Guns were. I'm talking about a potentially higher death toll because they will inevitably be used. A higher death toll, a greater loss of lives, to me signifies worse riots!

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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I only asked aoout the anti american because I was not sure at some points we are talking on the net it is sometimes hard for me to tell what someone is trying to convey. So sorry if you took offense to this, I was not accusing you. Again my apologies.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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it's unconstitutional then your head is in the clouds. ...
I never stated that or and have no idea how you got taht impression. Further more I was only explaining the law to you and why it was. Given you facts. In addition you are the one that started to debate the law.
I am sorry that you can't see that guns are not the problem but people and poverty. I know the stats, and I said other countries have the same violence issues and the stats show a direct collation to poverty. I was not just addressing you but the OP.
I also was stating that I support the constitution for the reason of over throwing a government. I just wanted you to know where I stood and that I don't support vigilante nut jobs or killing people.
Deadly force is just that and you can use anything, riots cause damage and unspeakable violence in any country, it does not take much. In fact the weapon of choice in the UK was technology.
To say guns are bad is to say a car is bad because people get drunk and drive or text and drive... is it the people who are killing or the cars?

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I have NOT attacked America.

I have clearly stated that many other countries are going through the same problems right now.

You are in serious denial if you cannot see that a single gun can do far more damage than a brick or a knife.

Gun crime is a problem in the US. Go look at the statistics. I've simply stated that this is most likely to be the defining factor that makes US riots worse (regarding death toll) than other western countries.

If you think that gang members are going to leave their most dangerous weapons at home when they go out ransacking and looting stores because it's unconstitutional then your head is in the clouds.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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There is not any part of the Constitution/law books that says it is legal to kill a person except in self defense and under many circumstances to prove it. So he was not exercising his rights he was killing a human being. HARDLY the same



Edit to add it is not about killing politicians it is about revolution to over throw a government. This is indeed self protection. People do own guns for many reasons and not all are good, that will never happen but to understand the law you must know it before you argue against it.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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Cathy you are so anti gun you are not seeing the big picture, and no I don't blame those Americans for you not understanding the American government or it's constitution. You like many shake your finger at Americans for having guns and "Claim" to know what you are talking about, but you don't. Also I hardly think that the people you talk to represent all over 300 Million Americans , if you want to know read it, learn about it fact wise, it is all there for you to "really" know. I can't figure out if you are anti gun, anti American. you just focus on the guns and the post had several things to address. In addition to guns they believed video games and movies were to blame...and I again don't swallow it.

People kill people in a case such as riots with anything they got...period.

Also a revolution is not outdated. You never explained how democracy would prevent a corrupt government and how if it did happen you would over throw such a government? I seriously doubt they would agree to leave over a cup of tea.

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People who argue for there gun rights on here have never once stated they keep a gun so they can shoot the politicians. They always (ALWAYS) argue self defence. Blame the US citizens for portraying your constitution as such.

What happened to Lee Harvey Oswald when he exercised his constitutional right?

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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Also Cathy if you understood our constitution you would have understood why we have the gun laws. You clearly stated you did not and were more scared and thought it was out dated.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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It does not make it right to use taxpayers money for them even if they are not killing anyone at this time. This is outdated in my view. They are not needed and do nothing for the countries that I can see except give good gossip and pretty weddings to watch.

When in the UK for example that money could go to the NHS, which is in serious financial bad health

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No we understand your constitution, we just think it's outdated. Our monarchy aren't used to kill.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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It seems that many esp some Europeans who have laws against all fire arms will never really understand our government is based on a Constitution and why we have guns. No more than I can understand supporting a queen and kings and all their family on tax payers money. They do not do much but be born in to it and do little in politics. Talk about back wards if you are a democracy!

Lacye - posted on 08/20/2011

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Cathy, I am agreeing with you. I'm not saying you are wrong. All I am saying, is that it doesn't matter how established a country is, there will still be violence. It is human nature.

Angela - posted on 08/20/2011

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"US constantly coming in on Israel side despite Israel having invaded Palestinian territory. No one has invaded America to turn it violent. "

I have to agree with you on that point Cathy. It has always bothered me how America turns the other cheek to Israel, I once asked a former Special Forces guy why that was and he told me we were scared a while back because they had missiles that could reach us, not sure how true this is.



Edit to add I disagree that many countries are so so different and do not share the same issues as the USA. In fact I see many countries ( where I live for example The Netherlands) doing as the USA did, IE cut back on education, and medical. And the poverty levels of minorities are high just as in the USA. Anti immigration, and very nationalistic, With that you see an increase in violence ins schools, education quality going down, less jobs because less and educated.... more poor and less tax payers to put into the system. No they are not 100 percent as the USA but heading that way fast.

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Angela, OP = Opening post

Layce you need to go back and read my first post in this thread. Here...
"I don't believe US riots would be worse than other countries.
The only differences I see in comparison with this weeks UK riots is the Americans have guns to use on each other!

Rioting in any Western society is mindless thuggery. People complaining they are SO poor they need to organize riots on their Blackberry phones (can afford them can't they) to loot high end shops so they can stick it to the rich.

They aren't looting because they need food for their starving families. They aren't rioting because they are living in fear of a tyrannical dictator. There is no camaraderie of the masses against one great foe.

It's a minority of selfish, entitled individuals who have no respect for the rest of society. I don't believe this is any different in the US than the UK.


Israel is not comparable. Israel is in long term conflict with Palestine. It's long, detailed and I'm not going into it here but cycles of Palestinian suicide bombings and brutal Israeli retaliations with the US constantly coming in on Israel side despite Israel having invaded Palestinian territory. No one has invaded America to turn it violent.

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"they feel they NEED a gun to survive, or to prove they're the king of their turf. it all comes down to drugs, and poverty. it's a vicious cycle."

I 100% agree.

We can't blame it all on a corrupt government however. American citizens are responsible too. They hardly were lied to all the time.

How I see it.

Americans did not want to pay taxes and many still do not. Instead Americans voted cuts and more cuts to what I feel is fundamental to society. Programs such as education, medical care and housing.

The attitudes to the poor were very harsh and not even true in most cases. The lack of empathy and lack of sight addressing the poor was and still is astonishing. So I agree about the whole Me me me thing but it hardly one generation that kept this wheel greased. Lets not forget the dot.com and housing eras where some people got very very wealthy at the expense of todays economy.

Debt, we don't want to pay taxes in the USA and want less government but we failed to be responsible and save money. American's pay some of the lowest taxes in the world. I hear over and over I can't function if they cut anymore...but the truth is most people function just fine and pay half their salaries to taxes in many parts of the world.

The people who pay the highest taxes are not the rich but the middle class, those are the people who buy goods and the back bone of USA economy. What the hell were they thinking???

Paying more taxes and helping the poor and investing in children's futures is hardly socialist but many run around screaming that if we keep these social programs and or add more we will become socialist.

On the gun issue, I feel it is not backwards to think we might need to protect ourselves from a corrupt government. I fully support this constitutional right. When we attempted to make amendments to the laws, the government bullshited us into thinking it would make you safer. I really don't see that despited some law changes. They could have made it safe by simply restricting hand gun use, for example.

I also do not think the USA is going to go into chaotic anarchy but it is possible of course. In addition I do not forget all the wonderful things of the USA and the contributions it has made to world society.

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Sounds pretty right. I am most concerned with the availability of the medications. (it's the only thing I feel I have even the slightest control over) I have tried to wean off them knowing that this is coming but my unstable chemistry won't allow it. Biochemical illness runs in the family and now that menopause has started knocking, the anxiety is kicking my A&&. I had to go back on my antidepressant/anti-anxiety medication. I was not happy about it. The bonus part is that I have stock piled enough klonopin to keep me somewhat stable till the year 2055. I hate to use that as my main medication as it is suppose to be used for emergencies but I doubt cymbalta will be available when the collapse happens.

I know that people as a whole have become less caring about other people and it's going to be hard. I will not invest in a weapon because I refuse to. I am still going to hold out hope that there will be some of us that can actually band together to survive and the use of a weapon will be unnecessary. I am fortunate that my horrible father was a survivalist so I have learned some things from him that will help me tough it out. This has become a very scary world and I am fortunate that my daughter is building caring relationships with a group of non materialistic people who take time to actually volunteer to give back to our communities. (It is actually a very tight knit circus performing group, who are naturalists and vegans and are teaching her to get back to basics) Even if I don't survive it, I think my daughter will be ok.

Lacye - posted on 08/19/2011

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Cathy, Israel is also a developed country and it is the 9th most violent country in the world. It doesn't really matter if the country is developed or not, if there is any kind of unrest in the country, there is going to be violence. As we saw with the riots in the UK. One of the most peaceful countries and yet they had all those terrible riots. It doesn't matter how established a country is or really how violent a country is, riots are terrible to begin with. It's going to just as bad in one place as it is in another. It's just that in some places, the riots are not as common.

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i actually agree to an extent with cathy on the gun thing. you are incorrect in saying that most guns that are used in these crimes are black market guns angela. the guns that are most used in crimes are stolen from registered legal gunowners, or given away for debt payment, or have someone WIHTOUT a criminal record buy the criminal the gun (called straw-man) -things like that.
i agree that if there were less guns there would be less violent crimes absolutely. but the thing that i'm thinking you guys are missing is the gun culture in the urban areas of the united states. most people who have a gun aren't the ones who are using these guns for crime. but the young men in the inner city/urban areas are so enthralled with the gun culture, it's gotten crazy out of control. it has definitely gotten MUCH better since the late 80's early 90's, but it's still there. they feel they NEED a gun to survive, or to prove they're the king of their turf. it all comes down to drugs, and poverty. it's a vicious cycle. i watched part of a documentary that jenny posted one time here called the last white hope, in it rick ross explains pretty well the culture growing up in the inner city. (among other horrifying things...)

Angela - posted on 08/19/2011

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but again Cathy I ask you how do you explain other countries IE the peaceful ones and some who have legal fire arms

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and the USA is not even in the list! Israel was not a surprise at all.
Let us all remember that we can get mad but we need to remember why we are angry and that anger is always a second emotion to something else.

Lacye - posted on 08/19/2011

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Mwa ha! I found what I was looking for. :D Here is a website that shows the 10 most peaceful countries and the 10 most violent countries.

http://utopianist.com/2011/06/the-10-mos...

The United States is the 82nd most peaceful country. Not too good but not as bad as most people seem to think.

Lacye - posted on 08/19/2011

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I can see where most US citizens are extremely arrogant but I don't really see the rest of them. Some citizens are in denial but on the whole most of us know that the government is fucked right now unless we make a change.

I would like to see more statistics on the violence and drugs though. I do not think we are the most violent country in the world nor do I believe we produce the most drugs.

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