Americanization

Brittany - posted on 11/18/2011 ( 90 moms have responded )

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Americanization - The influence of The United States of America on popular culture, technology, business practice, and politics of other countires. Inside of the U.S.A it is refered to as the process of immigrants getting accustom to the culture.

How is this good? How is this bad?

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I am NOT looking for a bashing of the USA and all the "horrrid" things we do, done or can do. I am looking for opinions on how culture can affect the world.

PLEASE feel free to talk about how European cultures have impacted the world, in a good and/or bad way, or any other culture.

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Australians don't hate Americans. We hate that American influences have "killed" our unique Aussie culture. Don't confuse the way we feel about things and circumstances with the way we feel about people.

Jenni - posted on 11/18/2011

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Specifics?



Good-- Mass media, the internet (free information), space exploration, equality, the Middle Class, medical advancements, other technological advancements, human rights, foreign aid.



Bad-- Capitalistic exploitation of 2nd and 3rd world countries, weapons capable of destroying the entire planet, exploitation of sex (much like the Roman Empire!), foreign rule, wars, emphasis of capitol gain over environmentalism and people. Oh, and I shudder at the thought of George Orwell's 1984 where we are ruled by an Oligarchy. It seems we are headed in that direction.

Carol - posted on 11/29/2011

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We are giving the world the Kardashians, American's are fed up with them but we can't vote them out....lets not spread that sickness to other countries.

Carol - posted on 11/29/2011

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Meggy, I'm from So. Cal. The coldest it gets there is in the 40's during the winter. Only one year as I grew up there we had snow. Last year I spent the winter in West. VA. It snowed, which I loved but i ran the heater every day because I was cold. My husband wore shorts and a tshirt and many people walked around in what I would consider thin jackets and jeans. I was the Michellan man compared to them. Now I live in Northern PA about 20 miles from South West NY and its raining out side if had a fire place it would be roaring and i would be sitting right in front of it. I didn't mean for it to sound like Canada has an endless winter, that would be cool if it stayed snowy in 80 degree weather. As I have not personally met any Canadians I can't debate my husbands view on them and I certantly don't accept it however, I do think this one guy, even if he wasn't Canadian would have been hated by everyone in the company - he was just a jerk. I do not agree on the Paris Hilton, its now the Kardashians Niki which is way worse. Seriously what married woman who respect her husband would do yoga with a naked man? That is degraging to immigrant women, they are American's but they are mixed, American women who are loyal to their husbands, and women in general.

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I think other countries Americanizing is actually sad. The main reason why I want to go visit other countries is to get the feel of THEIR culture, not my own. I want to go to Scotland and hear the freaking bagpipes! I want to go to Australia and listen to them talking about the dingos and sheilas and what ever slang they use! I don't want to have to go there and be disappointed because where I go is just like home!

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 12/19/2011

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I'm an American in Canada. So far I've learned there are two ways of spelling things and my inlaws pronounce Mazda, Pasta, Iron, and project differently than I do. My 7 year old's friends pronounced things the same way as their parents. And Z or zed is interchangeable

Vegemite - posted on 12/19/2011

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All through history there has been one culture, differing through the times, that influences the rest of the world. Some of those influences are good and some are not. At this time it's U.S.A. I realy don't like some things like how I can't turn on the T.V without seeing American shows or hearing an American accent, that my son will sometimes say Zee instead of Zed, the strive to have bigger and bigger meal sizes with more and more fat sugar and salt content, that kids at school have to be taught that we don't spell that way here or that we say al-u-min-ium not a-loo-min-um, that the American economy is effecting the world so much and intern so is the European economy. I do love movies, music, hotdogs, Family Guy, coke, information tech, medical advances. However I think that this influence is starting to shift, who'll be the next great influence will be interesting, if I get to live to see it.
Maybe Australasia hehe

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All through history there has been one culture, differing through the times, that influences the rest of the world. Some of those influences are good and some are not. At this time it's U.S.A. I realy don't like some things like how I can't turn on the T.V without seeing American shows or hearing an American accent, that my son will sometimes say Zee instead of Zed, the strive to have bigger and bigger meal sizes with more and more fat sugar and salt content, that kids at school have to be taught that we don't spell that way here or that we say al-u-min-ium not a-loo-min-um, that the American economy is effecting the world so much and intern so is the European economy. I do love movies, music, hotdogs, Family Guy, coke, information tech, medical advances. However I think that this influence is starting to shift, who'll be the next great influence will be interesting, if I get to live to see it.
Maybe Australasia hehe

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rofl I always get hung up on that too
looks like a smiley with a double chin :))
bahaha

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/30/2011

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I know Niki, but I thought adding the extra smiley in the parenthesis would look odd

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/30/2011

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I just hope America (since I can't say we anymore) will stop being known for trying to be the world police.

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Same here.. I hate pretending..

Well I already said what I think we'll be known for. What do you guys think? :)

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/30/2011

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Carol that is very true. If you say something people don't agree with, you're rude. If you defend your stance, you're inconsiderate and have no manners. It's a vicious cycle.

I'm like you if I don't like someone I won't pretend I do. The only time I will mind my manners and bite my tongue is at work because I don't have much of a choice.

Carol - posted on 11/30/2011

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I think the culture America had, has been lost. When the country first came into being - immigrants where welcomed, now they arent. We where fighters, we didnt like being pushed around by oppresive governments, but now we are one and we bully countries into what we want and its only our way. We aren't even kind to our own people and our political system is just as bad as some countries - we don't get the truth. We get a nice beat around the bush version of what is happening. I would die if I was an article one day titled ' Our ignorant government has decided to screw us and the world again! All industry is shipping out!" When I saw the article on Obama and the French President ( i think it was him) saying they didn't want to deal with the Isreali PM, wow, that was funny! That actually made me go ' Wow, they are just like us, they don't want to deal with people they don't like' and the author made a huge deal about it. Seriously if our media turned to 'off the record' I think America and the world in general would be alot better, we would know how our politicans felt and none of this politness by the citizens would be so nice. If I went to another country and someone walked up to me and said ' I hate America' I would look at them and agree. We haveturned away from what our culture really was, which it was great i would have loved to have been born during the revolution, mind you i think i may have been discriminated agasint because im mixed, but at least i would know how people think of me. People think i'm a b!tch because if i don't like you, you will know im not goign to pretend and way to many people do that now days. I can under stand being kind, but if you show you don't like someone and that is your opinion, you get treated bad by people you do like.

Jenni - posted on 11/30/2011

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I'm pretty sure I delineated that in my OP as well, corporatism and its ill effects on the world.



All mediums have been used to control/distract the masses and has been used to influence the people throughout history. From books, to gaming arenas, to town criers, to art, to printing press, to radio, to television, to internet. This is nothing that America "invented" or has sole claim over.



All these mediums have been used to push political, cultural, the elite's agendas. The only deference is America has introduced the commercial agenda, and with these new found mediums they can reach a global scale. Commercialism is simply the new tax of our elite.



America is no longer run by representatives of the people, but representatives of small interests (ie: the elite). So the agenda is pushing for more favourable environment for business from the political side. Which allows business more control over mediums to push their agenda.



I'll use my example of Rome, they had the Senators (the senators were the elite themselves) pushing for favourable conditions for themselves and the elite. We also have politicians pushing for favourable conditions for themselves and the elite. America has it's elite (big business) and its own law makers (puppet politicians). No different than the Senators of Rome who were the elite, themselves.



They would tax the crap out of the peasants. Left them in squalling conditions. Things were much more simplified back then. Peasants were not educated, the masses were easily pacified. You don't realize you're living in an aquarium if you've never seen the Ocean. With the introduction of public education, average people began to ask a lot more questions. They had more insight into the the political process. They demanded more rights... eventually the industrial age was born... and with this new found education and rights. The peasants striked. Unions were born that protected the working classes rights.... the middle class was born.



Currently, and for the last 30 years... politicians along with their wealthy supporters. Have been dismantling that structure through baby steps... while using our contemporary media to distract, pacify, make us think we're living like kings and getting fat off the land. So that we do not contest.



They're simply trying to take back what is *theirs*.



Now does that mean the medium itself is inherently evil. No, no more than books... because at the same time, the internet (specifically) can be used by the people to combat and expose such control and exploitation. To expose agendas.



Yes, they may be the ones in charge of your media, they may being using it primarily to sell us their crap. Convince us we need and iphone2, then 3, then 4. And once we have on we will be self-actualized... until the i5 hits the shelves. And it is oppressing rule, is it not?



But really, all America has given us... for a split second is the illusion that we weren't under the thumbs of the elite, that we weren't oppressed. That we represented ourselves and *we* were the ones in charge of our countries.



The wealthy, the elite.... will always find a way to keep us under their thumbs.... and I think we agree on more than you think. America *has* an ingenious way of controlling the every more harder to control, masses while adding to their ever accumulating wealth. But really, they have simply evolved with us.



It's nothing new from America. The facade may be, the language, the medium, the intricacies but fundamentally it's not something America introduced to us.



"We didn't start the fire..."

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I really think we will be known for Corperate America and apathy and probably falling like other great empires have.

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We still haven't defined what American culture even is though. I think that would be a good starting point, in order to analyze each thing everyone comes up with and how it influences other cultures and to get a better grasp on what America could possibly be known for.

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I don't think you can accurately talk about just the effects of media as a medium when there is so much else that comes along with it in this era...

Corperate America is what I feel we will be known for, and that was my biggest point, as they definiatly are the ones in charge of 'The Media' and influencing so much of our modern culture. I thought that was a gimmie though. Thought everyone knew television and The Media and Corperate America all go hand in hand.

Jenni - posted on 11/29/2011

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I don't think I need to take a class to know corporatism influences culture. When I referred to mass media, I meant from an information stand point. Not advertising. I was referring to radio, television, internet. As a medium, not what was done to it through corporate exploits.



The invention.



Although capitalism did bring us some finer points. The crony capitalism of America, the current anarchic playing field of corporate America... is highly detrimental on many levels.



As I already stated; I don't agree with the excessive materialism that America has influenced. The problem isn't so much the medium. It's what corporate America has done to exploit it.



I guess I was answering the question as what America will be most remembered for. I hope it's more than just Paris Hilton, Mc Donalds and Ebonics. In my OP I was comparing the influence of past Empires to America's Empire. We remember the way they controlled the masses through horrific entertainment of the treatment of slaves, humans and animals in the Gladiator arena's of Rome. But we also see the great architecture of the Colosseum, the Aqueduct, the baths; the influence on modern sporting spectacles and architecture.

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Yep. Very true :)

I'd love to hear what Lee learned

Maybe we should start by defining what American culture even is?

Carol - posted on 11/29/2011

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I am currently goign to school for visual communications, aka advertising, graphic media etc. Advertisments do include a massive amount of subliminal messaging. Touching on one I have seen alot of that elephant infant toy that throws balls in the air. Its suggesting to motehrs with out this toy, your kid won't be happy. If I went out and bought a bunch of balls, threw them at the wall, my kids would have a feild day. The nerf rifle advertisments show young men who are active, handsome, fit running around playing a 'war' game with their friends. This tells young kids you can be like me, just buy this product. The thing I love is that Mc.Donalds ad about the little girl who, after her parents take her training wheels off, goes on an adveture and McDonalds can only satisfy her hunger.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Niki, Lee had to take a class on media and the affects of video games and other forms of media. When he gets home from school I'll have to have him help me type up what he learned. They do a lot of research in his classes.

Commercials are all about subliminal messages. Companies all over the world do research to see what will make someone want to buy a product. Heck even your grocery store does research to see what will cause shoppers to buy more.

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So you don't believe me when I quoted the article about Fujian culture being influenced after one year of popular American television? You don't think ads influence us, Krista? Isn't that their whole goal?

You should take a class on Big Media, it's verrrry informing and interesting.

We may have the power to chose not to buy the stuff but it has a drastic impact on many Americans in the way we now view ourselves, treat ourselves and has played a HUGE role in defining American culture as it now stands.

Twiggy brought about the new 'sexy'. She was a model. Her and the corperations behind her defined the new sexy for how many generations now?

Now every CK ad shows a girl who is a seemingly size 0. How do you think that makes young American girls feel if they are a size 10? The same way it made the Fujians feel after they'd believed their whole life that big was beautiful. They suddenly felt fat.

Jenni - posted on 11/29/2011

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Niki ;) - I was referring to what America introduced to the world. Not commenting on the current state of mass media, the internet, or the middle class in the US. The rest of us haven't completely exploited those things, errm... yet? Like the US.

...and I hope we don't follow suit. But yeah... before the middle class was introduced there were princes and paupers. Sad that the US is returning to that state.

Free information, not free internet. As in pay a subscription and you have unlimited free information. Information is far more easy to obtain and at our fingertips and what China does with that is China's business. How are we not surprised China and many dictatorships sensor it? They sensored books before the internet. Doesn't mean books were a bad invention. Not sure what your point is?

Yeah, World or Warcraft, eh? There hasn't been any successful pay to play online games since...

Purchasing things over the internet is not the same as having free information. So far... they do not charge per websites viewed. So for a nominal fee to cover infastructure costs, you are privy to free information. For Pete's sake... you can get everything free from games that cost hundreds of dollars, to online books, to programs, to movies, TV, to songs, to porn.... all free. If you know where to look.

The internet may allow for governments to have *some* control of it. But in the bigger scheme of things. Who really has control over it? You and me. Citizens. The people. We have used it to exploit far more than they have. We even use it to make our *own* mass media. Currently, the internet is a wildfire and the most governments can do is throw buckets of water at it.

And yes, ads try to sell us crap. But we have the option not to buy their crap... and really... when are we not being influenced to buy crap. I'm not a big fan of the Materialism America has blinded us with. I do however, like my internet. My free games, my free movies, and my free porn. :P

But really now... think of all the positives the internet has brought us... information, media free of influence, worldwide views and opinions, social networking (keeping in touch with family and friends who may live thousands of miles away), COM :)), wealth for average citizens (easy to open up your own business), online yard sales and recycling sites.

I mean, would you want to give up your internet because a couple of countries with dictatorships wish to sensor theirs? Or surprise, surprise... the government is trying to figure out a way to capitalize on it?

I say; let them eat cake... for now (at least) the internet is OURS.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Same here. I'd rather my girls sit through Halo instead of Beiber and his Purple skinny jeans wtf

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Oh noooooooooo....... he's so creepy too, how they try to make this 14 year old boy look sexy, winking at the camera and acting like a stud. I will try to keep my kids away from such things as long as I can. I don't want them influenced before they can even begin to think about whether it's right or wrong.........

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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LOL at least we can Blame Canada for Beiber! I keep my daughter away from that junk.

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Twilight....oh no and J Beibs. If it was jsut teenage girls okay but its moms too! Mothers! This one woman has spent thousands of dollars on that stuff, enough for a few of us to by brand new cars in cash. Its sad.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Oh I heard that! Honestly if I was Bella I'd've told Edweird to get a spray tan

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LOL did you see people had seizures from the 3rd movie? Yeaaaaaaaaaaa that's what happens when vampires sparkle like a cubic zirconia

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Niki I am still a we! I may live in Canada but I'm still a US citizen :P You asked what Americans contribute... besides the Halo franchise. Ok ok so Greece is really the cradle of modern democracy, but still the US kinda did it first.



ETA: DO NOT start me on Twilight because the movie trailers make me vomit in my mouth

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Carol, you're probably the opposite of a friend of mine temperature wise. If the thermometer hits 70 in northern AB she turns on the AC! I know you didn't think that Canada was winter year round, I was just copying my husband's t-shirt.

I want to throw the Kardashians and the Hiltons in the Love Canal. Seriously they have probably the most warped view on real life. I am so sick of most celebraties I could vomit. Ug and my mom wonders why I watch so many cartoons! Because cartoons don't do stupid shit in real life.

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Don't ask me. I don't get it. Someone was talking about Demi and Ashton the other day and I almost threw up in my mouth. I don't think celebrities are worth following, watching, keeping track of nor taking much interest in usually. Then they told me bringing up the Twilight characters was stupid. Haaaaaaaaaa ummmmmm I think it's all stupid??

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we know that. but why does that warrant fame. lol. she fizzled becausse no one cares anymore if she goes clubbing.

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Paris is an Heir to a thrown of money who made the limelight by being a sociallite.. then fizzled out for I don't even care why. The Kardashians were just trying to follow suit but seem to have worse morals and personality than Hilton which makes them worse. I never thought I'd say this but Hilton has class compared to the Kardashians. Bleh

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what are they even supposedly famous for? everyone here just knows kim as paris hilton's mate and no one even knows why paris is famous either.

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Carol - double barf. Kardashians........... I laughed when they tried to sneak in on a Victoria Secret photo shoot a few years ago and got shooed away by the camera men. They are worse than Hilton indeed

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And I'm blonde so I missed the remark on what democracy has to do with this..... sowwie



It's also 2 pm and I'm still in my jamies.. so it's still morning for me lol

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Hey you, you are currently in the process of not being a 'we' :P hahaha

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Niki one word : Democracy. We are the longest running Democracy in the world. Canada is the 2nd

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What culture does America bring to other countries, Meggy?

Media, corperations, technology.....

Halloween I heard mentioned but people don't care for it.

So... to me, that makes me think that is our 'culture'.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Carol, your feelings on large cities mirror my friend's up in Slave Lake AB a town 3hrs north of Edmonton.

However Winter in Canada isn't necessarily colder than down in the US. In Vancouver they hardly see snow, just rain because they're on the coast. In cities along the boarder the winters are very much like the ones in the northern US. However in Northern Canada and the northern parts of the provinces it is pretty nasty. There's a town in Northern BC where the high temp will be in the -10's today, but it boarders the Yukon. I lived in Rochester NY my entire life and Toronto was right across the lake and we had the same temperature. Your winter weather definitely depends on where in Canada you live.

Not all Canadians speak French, especially those in the western provinces. Most of my inlaws speak as much French as I do. Quebec is the only province that is soley French and as I said in another post here it's not even true French, but a specific dialect spoken by those in Quebec. It's pretty much incomprehensible to continental French speakers. I know that for a fact because a man I used to take care of was from Quebec and he has a French son in law who he will sometimes speak Canadian French around just to confuse him.

I think my husband's I Am A Canadian t-shirt sums up the stereotypes some people have about Canadians:

Winter is not all year long. I don't travel by snowmobile or dogsled. Only Russia is larger and colder (in the Winter) I wear a toque not a fur hat. I live in a house not an igloo. The parliment buildings are not made of ice. We did not copy our money from the Monopoly game. We are still the best hockey players in the world.

Honestly I think the last part is debateable. :)

Niki, you know I love you, but I have to disagree that American culture is just fast food and Paris Hilton (gag!)

Oh and just so Australians don't feel left out, my husband was once on Xbox live with a guy from Australia who thought he lived in an igloo.

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My DH made a great point last night though. He said this is a very bad time for a movement of any kind, as with the state of the economy, there are many people who would probably be willing to stand up for a cause, but do not have the time as they are just struggling to get by.

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What support does our country need to give them? The power here comes from the people and obviously there aren't enough people willing to stand up, for enough of one purpose yet. Which is why I complain about apathy. Too many people just don't care.

Then you have the problem of if they do care, they aren't unified enough. How hard is it to stick to being against 1 thing? Even the Tea Party swayed from just lowering taxes. They leaned Republican and got involved with other issues. Occupy Wallstreet is no different. It's going to fizzle out unless someone unifies it and tells each group that isn't standing up for the original purpose to stay focused

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The Occupy movement has a bad rep from its unorganized and too widespread views that have taken over the original goal of the movement, not to mention the camping out that is unnecessary and the fact they are willing to break laws.

To what avail? Breaking the laws isn't helping the movement. The nearest Occupy Wallstreet in my region is trying to claim police brutality when the videos show the cops doing absolutely nothing wrong. No hitting, no pepper spraying like there has been seen done at other events. It's a joke.

The movement is tearing it's self apart because its too incohesive now.

I'm not saying it doesn't have great potiential. By no means am I saying what the cop did at the college campus was right. But this movement has it's own issues reguardless of such things.

What are they actually accomplishing anymore? Cities are starting to kick them all out because of the illegal tents they keep propping up.

Why can't they organize on a schedule, like other normal peaceful law biding protests? They can even rotate their schedules so there are people standing out there at all hours if that is what they wish.

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Niki, there are a good majority of young people that care about politics, it just happenes they don't get the support of you country. Older people tend to see them as being whiny, or republicans and the teapartiers see them as liberals when they kids are standing up for our rights. Many of the occupy wall street movement is made up by young people, yet people insult them and refuse to support them and would rather bad mouth them. I find it sad that even politicians who beleive in their movement are sushed and berated and peaceful protest is fought against. Was it fair for those kids who where sitting on a UC Campus to be pepper sprayed for voicing their political beliefs? No, it was down right unconstitutional, but that dosen't matter any more in todays America like you said, we where a melting pot. I would love to see more of other countries with in our own. Its like the British show the Office - it was a great and witty British show, but once it came over to America and was changed to fit American viewers it became a stupid show. And yes, it is China, but other countries do it also.

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Oh, and I don't want the entire world to be the same which some others have mentioned they dislike about Americanization. That would just be boring. One thing that was supposed to make America great was the fact we were a 'melting pot'. Where has that gone? I really don't consider Macy's, Taco Bell and Velaro to constitute as our melting pot........... lol

I think we've lost touch with ourselves entirely here in America too. People either care way too much about something so specific it's hard to get through to them, or they don't care at all. The apathy is really what kills me the most and I worry that it will be what ruins our country over everything else.

How many teenagers and college students in this country care about politics? These kids that are going to be the next generation? What have they learned? What do they know? How do they think? That's the scary part..... the new generation of corperate greed, crappy public schools, selfishness and ignorance.......... yippeeeeee

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Jenni - I'm not sure if you were saying that mass media and middle class in our country is good, or whether when we bring that to other countires, that is good?



Either way, I'm going on a rant now lol



Is the internet really free? In China they have blocks on theirs that limit what they can type/see. (I think China?) Also, countries like Iraq, Iran and Greece are currently in an upheavel at the amount of information their people are getting from the internet. There are countries out there that are pissed at this. Countries out there that are trying to control this. Block information. Make standards on what their citizens are allowed to see. That's not free to me....



Our own country is trying to tax everything they can be sold over the internet. Trying to tax fictitious gaming characters even and the money people make in them online! (Meggy, I hope you know what I'm talking about because of Lee? haha)



Even here in America, Obama is trying to put an entire 'kill switch' on all internet activity. (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-2...) Why?



Our media is SO biased as it is influenced by big businesses, the information we get, the ads we see on tv, straight down to the shows we watch and what is and isn't allowed on tv are highly controlled.



How really free is it? What do all these ads tell us? How do they influence us?



Expecially when the biggest networking site out there right now, Facebook, keeps deleting articles they simply don't like. (http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/faceb...)



We even just recently had a senators watch dog attack an 18 year old girl for something negative she said about him (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/opinion/ob...)... I mean come on. Do we really have free speech anymore? Really? If we do, how long will it last at this rate?



Where is Americas free speach? Free media? It's hard to find, besides commentators just being biased with their viewpoints, as it's always trying to be controlled and influenced.



I'd also like to point out a class I took in college in which we read an article about the Fujian society where they used to think being big and bigger weight wise was considered beautiful. Within one year of introducing one American channel featuring shows like Beaverly Hills 90210 every girls attitude in the nation changed. Girls started to feel fat. They started to not consider big to be beautiful anymore. All because of 1 American show.



So there is absolutely no doubt in my mind how drastic of an impact American Media can have on a culture, in a very short period of a time.. and not in a good way obviously.



What do you think that has done to Americans, after decades of this crap?



I don't think our media is good, at all. I think we have way too much corperate influence in our daily lives and I think it's ruined and is still ruining what little good we do have left in our culture.



Afterall, what really IS American culture? Define that....... and it's not pretty.... McDonalds, strip malls and Paris Hilton come into my mind. Barf.

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When I think of Canada I think of alot of things not related to cities. The forest, and vast expances of land in the West, which are much bigger than here on the East coast, winter and how i know I can't live there because I hate the cold. I don't think of cities, even in the US as i would rather not live in them, so they have no intrest to me and i love the fact they speak French, one of the reason i studied french in school in case i ever worked with Canadians or the French. I also took Spanish. I have visited Niagra Falls once, and looking over at the Canadian side, the casinos and the large buildings really dont seem that diffrent to me than any US city other than the casino ( i really hate cities. All of them little polution areas.) So I don't see the East coast of Canada, but BC, and Alberta and possibly the only time I would visit Ontario is if my husband really wanted to go fishing on the Erie we only live ~ 5 hours away from Lake Erie. However I don't see that happening. My husband has worked with Canadians before and really dosen't like them because of his past experiance with them. Like with all groups of people, only a few are needed to cast a bad light on the many.
I ask the question about New York and California, because people think of the major cities alot. California =Hollywood, people don't know California has a desert, that the Beaches are beautiful and like you state, traffic. Which out of Los Angeles isn't that bad, but travel does take long. Being from California it strikes me as odd when even Americans see it as Hollywood, there is nothing else. The same with New York, when people mention New York, they think the city and the Statue of Liberty and few think of Niagra Falls they dont know New York has farms, outside of the cities there is nothing but rolling land, and New York city isn't the capital. Thats just with in America where perception of individual states are so skewed that when they get there they are surprised at what they see. However, the worst place to drive in the United States is Washington D.C. It takes about 30 minutes just to get anywhere near the Smithsonian and you have to watch out for people who don't care where you are from or who you are, you run the risk of getting into a side collision on a green light because of the traffic there

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/29/2011

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Well I'm from western New York so when I think of New York I think of a large state. But I needed to tell DH's aunt that we do have BBQs and New York State doesn't equal NYC. My mom's had that happen to her a lot when she goes on business trips.

When I think of California I think traffic. Because my mom has been there and tells me it takes 3hrs to drive 20 miles. I also think higher cost of living because they were one of the first states to go over 4$ a gallon in '08. I know my geography though and know that the south is where Hollywood is and warmer weather and the more northern areas have vineyards and there are also different terrains.

Now here's another question in reply, what do you think of when you think of Canada? Because from what my mom is telling me a lot of her friends and accquantences seem to think on the East coast that Canada= Ontario. I live in British Columbia

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In relation to the reall question, and this is for American's also, who have not lived in these states, or if they have, not visted the other, what does everyone think of when they hear about California and New York? If you have lived in New York, but not California, versa.

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American culture has a drastic impact on other countries. I think it's more the Media's fault though, that has shaped even our own country into what I feel is a negative way.

It's funny you infered such a connection between americanization and assimilation. I believe they are two totally different things.

By mushing them together, the statement to me feels like by asking immigrants to assimilate to american culture is the same thing as forcing them to do it and to adhere to all the crappiness that comes along with it, instead of bringing their own culture to our melting pot.

It's late, I'm going to post this now and come back to it........ sorry if I make no sense yet guys

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Actually Meggy, Mexico is part of the NAFTA of 1994 no the FTA of 1988, and America has traded with Mexico, however the US had dumped toxic chemicals into Mexico, which is deterimental to the farmers. A Canadian company has had law suits brought agasint it by the state of California. Just like the US, Canada has had industries taken out of its boarders and sent else where, so to claim Mexico isnt part of a free trade agreement. “The President’s FY 2012 Budget includes a legislative proposal to lift the country exemptions for Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean, which will increase collections by $110 million. The Budget assumes implementation of this exemption by Q3 FY 2012 and therefore requests $55 million in discretionary funding to cover half of the costs." Yes Mexico being part of NAFTA is completly unfair to them since their money has little value and most of the things they where promised never happened. However, Mexico does receive alot of buisness not included in the agreement. People are willing to travel down to Mexico be it by car or flying, to get cheap medical procedures done that are just as good as in the United States, tons of immigrants travel down into Mexico just to visit family and have to pay fees prior to enter Mexico if they are bareing gifts, and that is charged by the United States and then if they bring items back, they are charged fees. So to leave Mexico out of this and state its only affecting Canadians is biased. Personally if it is pased, Canada should charge us and people who really want to travel with in Canada are free to to pay the fee if they decide to fly in or go by ship and this should include shipments for the United States into Canada. However, if any one with in the government has any brains, they wouldn't charge anything, it really isnt worth it. To be required to have passports shouldnt be a big deal for anyone. If you a suspected 'race' you are still going to be stopped in an airport, flying from Los Angeles to St. Louis and if the police have the vaguest idea that soemthing could be up, they are going to stop and search your vehicle, citizen or tourist, and they have these rights in America and sadly judges have the right to over throw the constitution, yes that is unconstitutional but it happeneds alot and its not even the American government in DC, but state and local government who are excersising this right they seem to beleive they have.

Aparently as I stated, neither government can listen to their people. Canada didn't listen to the Canadians when they showed their dislike of the first trade agreement, and the US cant listen to us to with draw forgin aid to countries and go into a period of semi isolationism, force American countries to stop sending jobs over seas for the cheap labor and not only runing our lives because we have no jobs so they have to think of stupid charges to chage non Americans, but to ruin other peoples lives because we are ' helping' them. Heres an article about Mexico getting the worst end of the NAFTA 1994 agreement of 2009, they haven't gotten anything out of it, and yet their own government, as did people from Canadas government support this treaty.

Hopefully not all people in the worlds governments are as blind to what the US government is doing to countries, but apparently Canada didn't learn the first time, and decided to make the mistake a 2nd time, hopefully if there is a 3rd they grow balls and refuse, and if they lose the US as a trading partner they will most likely be alot better off. Because it doesn't have to be the 'American' way, there are other countries that are willing to trade and the US will have to learn that it cant bully people around, somethign that within the middler and later part of the 20th centruy it dosen't under stand, and we have people protesting agasint such things because all the people getting rich off of such faulty agreements, are having a nice time not only getting Canada, Mexico and im sure many other countries, nut also the American people in a nice tight choke hold and we already know we arent goign to benefit from people being charged 5.50 to tour our country or for us to come in, if thats the case.



http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/1...

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Carol, Canada has never breached a free trade agreement. The reason that the US has breached the free trade agreement is because of the vaule of the CAD. Canadians make double what they would usually make when they trade with Canadians. 100 USD is almost double when converted to CAD. The US pushed hard for Canada to accept the free trade agreement boasting about the pros for both sides. Because of the vaule of the CAD vs the USD the Canadian companies had a larger profit because of the exchange rate. So Canadian companies were then hit with tariffs which breeched the free trade agreement. Canada because of government regulations can NOT breech the free trade agreement with the US.

Mexico doesn't have a free trade agreement and with the vaule of their money it wouldn't be worth it for them to reneg on a deal because their country would be losing money.

Also I am an American who lives in Canada over 3,000 miles from my family. I will be forced to either pay this extra money along with my children, one of which has full US citizenship like myself. Or I can fly from my home in BC to Hamilton, ON and drive 2hrs to my parents' home in western NY. Guess what I'll choose because I'd rather pay the tolls everyone has to pay instead of automatically having to pay to enter my own country. I think this fee is ridiculous and when it was announced in Canada last month many Canadians already said they wouldn't be flying in to the US. I believe it's pretty crappy of the US to treat Canadians and other countries like that. And I have a feeling it will cut down on tourism.

Hope, same here. Thankfully my older BIL is over in Sasketchewan doing seismic or I'd have to deal with him being a complete wigger. He honestly thinks he's gangster in a town where the fish out number the people. It's sad and laughable at the same time to see a tall pale white kid from central BC trying to act like he's from the streets.

Honestly though I like learning new slang and other words and I do use them from time to time. I don't feel like I'm losing my culture or what not when I do it.

You want to talk about culture and such just look at the province of Quebec with its language police and its ability to enforce bilingual packaging in all of Canada just because they are the ONLY province in Canada where French is the primary language. They don't even speak real French and the rules for applying to stay in that province are completely different from the other provinces and territories in Canada. They're so concerned about losing what they call their cultural identity that most people in smaller towns over the age of 50 have to rely on their children to translate for them when they leave the province because they speak little or no English. Just a dialect of French that is only native to Quebec. I have a friend back in QC who has to translate for his parents when they go on holiday because they speak as much English as I do French. Yet people from Quebec seem to be able to make the most impact on what should be done in government in Canada simply because they are so damn worried about losing their culture they've just about isolated themselves from the rest of their own country.

Of course Quebec would be an extreme case of preserving one's culture, but it is an example.

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