Amniocentesis "encourages" abortions?

Mary - posted on 02/20/2012 ( 56 moms have responded )

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/elec...



GOP presidential candidate and former senator Rick Santorum sharply criticized President Obama’s health-care law again Sunday for requiring health-insurance companies to cover certain prenatal tests, because some procedures are used to identify abnormalities and “encourage abortions.”



“The bottom line is that a lot of prenatal tests are done to identify deformities in utero and the customary procedure is to encourage abortions,” Santorum said during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” He said he was talking specifically about some, but not all, prenatal testing, and not about prenatal care in general. He said “there are all sorts of prenatal testing which should be provided free,” such as sonograms.






I don't usually make posts about politics. I have voted in every election since the age of 18, and do my best to stay well-informed on the issues, but debating politics is something I usually avoid. However, this proclamation by Santorum absolutely enraged me.



I'm really starting to get a bit bent over all of the anti-women sentiment that seems to be floating around this country of late. The debate over providing contraception coverage (being carried out by an exclusively male panel). States mandating that ultrasounds be performed and viewed prior to having a legal procedure performed (apparently some invasive diagnostics are "okay", and some "information" is necessary). The whole debacle that ensued over the Komen Foundation and Planned Parenthood.



I am not an activist by any stretch of the imagination. I am not a militant feminist, either. However, it seems like every time I watch the news lately, I am finding myself closer and closer to putting up banners, plastering my car, and dressing myself and my daughter in shirts that read "Stay the fuck out of MY uterus".



As someone who worked in OB for year, this latest statement by Santorum has made me almost violent. For many, an amniocentesis can provide crucial, definitive information about the health and well-being of their baby. Yes, there are those who may choose to terminate based on this information. However, there are many parents who use this information to prepare themselves for what lies ahead. There are also times when the information obtained through an amnio can help medical professional treat that unborn child, and even save it's life.

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I am getting damn sick of people who are NOT doctors and have ZERO knowledge of my medical situation deciding they get to choose which medical procedures I can or cannot have.



This is right up there with Virginia''s rape by proxy where a legislator who may have all the medical training of a 16 year old fry cook can force a doctor to shove an imaging device up my vagina whether I or the doctor want it or not!



And you know what - that is a form of sexual assault imo. Someone who is not a doctor is deciding they have a right to make someone else put something inside me. That's so wrong and I know it's not the topic here exactly but it's the same anti-woman sentiment you're talking about.



I'm tired of the concept that women apparently have NO idea what a developing fetus looks like and if we dont' have the trans-vag assualt, we'd have NO idea that an actual human baby is involved in an abortion. Wow. Here Ithought they all came from the cabbage patch. It not only takes our ability to make medical decisions away, it also reduces us to ignorant children incapable of making informed decisions.



The personhood law in Oklahoma is just as bad if not worse. It will make terminating an ECTOPIC PREGNANCY against the law. It will make it perfectly reasonable (by the legal nature of the law) to charge women who have miscarried with involuntary manslaughter. It will mean the end of in-vitro for sterile couples (even the married ones).



These laws are so draconian that I have wonder we aren't required to wear burquahs (sp) and only able to walk the streets with a male relative.



What gets me most is when WOMEN are involved in these asinine laws.



That dangerous schmuck Rick Santorum wants us to not have the option of pain relief during labor because it's our punishment for Eve's sin. Apart from the fact that it's a fable (according to most Christians) and that it's immoral to hold a person liable for someone else's crime, - THIS IS NOT A THEOCRACY!



But isn't it? Any time we prevent religion from entering the government and preventing it's intrusion into private lives by force - we're accused of PERSECUTING THE CHRISTIAN MAJORITY! My head spins every time I read this.



Thank you - rant over.

Mary - posted on 02/22/2012

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"I think that one of my biggest problems with this whole debacle is that none of the actions these people are railing against are illegal."



Absolutely!



Actually, what bothers me even more is that none of this crap even remotely intrudes upon them or affects them in even the slightest.



If your neighbor has an abortion, chances are, you won't even know about it (unless they tell you).



If your co-worker chooses to use contraception, in no way, shape, or form does it have any impact upon their job performance, or upon your professional relationship. If they were pregnant every other year, it actually might.



If that bank teller, chef, doctor, or whomever is married to someone of the same sex, it has absolutely no bearing upon your own relationship status or you own family dynamic. Again - unless they tell you, you most likely won't even know if, or to whom, they are married.



I'm really having a hard time understanding why so many people are so emotionally invested in what goes on in other people's homes. Why the fuck do they care???? None of these issues in any way infringe upon their rights or abilities to live their lives as they see fit. All of these "issues" are of a very personal nature. None of them can cause any direct or even indirect harm to those who are so ardent in their opposition to it. They may be choices that you would not make for yourself, but so what? My neighbor's practices about contraception, sexuality, prenatal testing, marital status, etc have about as little impact on my everyday life as what they watch on TV at night.

Mary - posted on 02/22/2012

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This is totally off-topic - but as the OP, I'm good with hijacking it ;)



I agree - this increased intrusion of religious ideology into politics is alarming. It seems to be getting worse every year. Yet when I really think about it, it's actually a fairly new development in politics that has popped up over the past 10 years or so.



I don't think it's because a higher percentage of the population are now religious fanatics. I actually think it is a reaction to the reality that Americans, in general, are actually becoming more secular. The extremists have always been around, but they now feel the need to be more vocal because they have realized that Christianity is no longer the dominant force it once was. It's not even that the numbers of self-named Christians are falling - it's that a lot of us who still identify as Christians are not allowing our religious leaders to dictate our views and votes on public policy.



It's almost funny that so many of the people who support Santorum - a Catholic - are the same types who would have freaked about his Catholicism 40 years ago. When JFK was elected back in the 60's, a lot of the population voiced concern that the US would become a papist state, co-governed by the Vatican. Now that same "group" is embracing a (lunatic) Catholic, because their numbers are dwindling, and they need to ban together to fight all of us who aren't anti-faith, but believe that religious beliefs should not dictate government policy and laws.



The bottom line is, these people are scared, and it has made them more vocal, and more extreme. That does not mean that they represent the bulk of society or their views. It just means that they are louder than the rest of us.

Merry - posted on 02/23/2012

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I think amniocentesis are used for many other stuff then abortios.

And that assumption of amnios are there to encourage abortions is ridiculous.

Doctors offer suggest or recommend amnios based on the mom and baby and the mom can always say no but the drs are just doing their job in making sure the mom has all the info and options she needs to make the best choice for her and her child.

Insurance most certainly should cover amniocentesis as they are sometimes an important procedure to keep mom and or baby healthy

Krista - posted on 02/23/2012

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Exactly. It's like the old saying, "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins". Well, in this case, it's "Your right to religious freedom ends where my uterus begins!"



Fuck. If politicians were insisting that men get prostate exams before being prescribed Viagra, the shrieks of "get that nanny state out of my business!" would be utterly deafening.

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Ania - posted on 02/24/2012

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Conservatives are out of control uneducated politicians...These people drive me crazy and it is not only about women issues. It isall around. It's like living in middle ages

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/23/2012

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Sally, neither have I and now that I live in Canada I never (hopefully) will. But it's just fair to get your say in.

Sally - posted on 02/23/2012

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Im going to have to drop out of this debate because iv'e never had to deal with religion dictating govenment policy,so don't feel i can offer an unbiased view.

Would like to end by saying.

YOUR BODY .YOUR CHOICE ! ♥

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/23/2012

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I read that and all I could think was: Well, my husband is afraid to get one anyway.



I understand the idea behind the bill though, why should women be the only ones who face restrictions on our reproductive decisions.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/23/2012

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Krista exactly! If the church was talking about banning coverage of male enhancement drugs or coverage of male BC the politicians would be in an uproar. But since we're sinful, shameless temptresses well we should just keep our damn legs crossed in the first place and pray to God that we don't end up with a child with a mental or physical handicap .



Now I have a lot of respect for parents of handicap children. I've been a care aide and I have ended up taking care of children as well as adults with mental and physical disabilities and it can be hard at times. But I don't believe the government should have the right to tell someone that they should have to have a baby that they know won't be able to live a normal life. Not everyone is cut out to be a parent of a person with a severe dissability. Besides the fact that the cost of taking care of that child is signifigantly higher than taking care of a child with a minor dissability or none at all. And as we all know, health care in the States can give you shit when ever they want to because of the same government.



I just want you all to know, if I ever got a chance to talk to Rick Santorum my first question would be: So, are you planning on providing health insurance that won't bankrupt or drop the parents who are taking care of their children with disabilities and the children themselves? Because you're already making it clear that these parents will have to raise a child who may have a wide away of medical issues while they may not have your bank account.

Isobel - posted on 02/23/2012

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I think that men should have to watch old-people porn before they can get a viagra prescription

Jodi - posted on 02/22/2012

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"In fact sometimes I want to lock my kids in the laundry room and take a nap" Today, I hid myself in our pantry (it has a door, but is not a walk in!) for 5 whole minutes just so that the kids didn't know where I was and would leave me alone for 5 whole minutes!!! It was possibly one of the best 5 minute episodes of my day! lmbo (Two teething twins and a snarky little 3 year old who woke up at 3:30 and didn't nap!!!!)



On the subject, why the hell should your (general your, no one specific, except maybe Rick Santorum) religious beliefs infringe upon my rights and MY beliefs? The puritans came here, because they lived in a country that did not allow religious freedom, this country was founded on the basis of religious freedom and equality, but the republicans apparently think that this is simply not acceptable. *I* do not believe that abortion is a sin, *I* do not believe that life begins at conception, *I* do not believe being gay is a sin nor is gay marriage, but yet, because they do, we all have to follow their biblical rules.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Sally it makes perfect sense (at least to me). I'm always introducing myself as 'Abby's mom' even though as we can all see my name is Megan.



I like being able to debate in a civilized fashion and talk about other things that don't always involve kids. In fact sometimes I want to lock my kids in the laundry room and take a nap

Sally - posted on 02/22/2012

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megan, im begining to learn that and its so refreshing to hear opinions and debate . I feel like my brain is coming alive again. Most of the people i know i just interested in kid subjects, not that there is anything wrong with that. I just feel im more than just mum. Don't know if that makes sense.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Women who say that their lives aren't anyone's business

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Sally, I believe you just entered a group of them

Sally - posted on 02/22/2012

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mary, i so wish there where more women like you in the world. Women that would stand up and say,what the fuck has my life to do with you , im not hurting you,my choices do not effect you . So f off

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Mary. very true. A friend of mine had an abortion a few years ago and I didn't even know until she told me.

Tam - posted on 02/22/2012

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I think that one of my biggest problems with this whole debacle is that none of the actions these people are railing against are illegal.



Abortions aren't illegal. If you want to keep people from getting abortions, grow the balls to attack it directly. Though it hasn't worked in the past, as we all know. But have the decency to attack the thing you really want to attack, rather than doing it by proxy.



Same with the Clinton scandal. Unless you are in the military and subject to the UCMJ, adultery isn't illegal either. If you want to dethrone a president, find something that he/she did that is actually unconstitutional and/or illegal and prove that it is through the channels that are set up for that already.



Otherwise, shut your mouth and carry on.



I'm pro-choice, and very much love my Constitution and the rights it entails. I love that it is a living document that can find its interpretation new even after more than 200 years. And yes, even though I am pro-choice I recognize the right of others to try to deny what I believe is a reproductive right. But only if they do it through the proper procedures, not this back-alley strategy of circumventing rulings already made on the subject.



That's some shady shit, if you ask me, and not something that anyone should be doing, much less people who want to run the country.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/22/2012

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Mary, here in Canada we also get US stations (ABC,CBS, NBC, FOX tv, CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox News) so we can watch for ourselves what is going on in the 'south'. I'm also an American myself and I can remember back when I was in 8th or 9th grade the whole Clinton Scandal and how the GOP (my parents are both registered Dems so yes I knew this at that age) started claiming that Clinton was immoral and should be impeached.



Yes it is a relatively new phenomenon, but it's growing quickly.

Sally - posted on 02/22/2012

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@mary, i agree that in the uk we only tend to hear the extreme. It sells newspapers!! I just don't believe that govenment and religion works. We don't in the uk. I can say that because in modern goverment religion has had no part. Its whats best for all. Though you still have right and left views. I can never imagine our govenment taking over womens rights to their own bodys and their choice.I think that you are right in what you say, people are scared. Thats why i feel that religion and politics are polls apart and should not be mixed for the fairness of all. No choice in govenment should be made on the ruling partys religion.



I have edited to say that i don't doubt that on a few years we will find this happening here.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Sally, I'm feeling the same way about that having moved from the US to Canada. I know my inlaws don't have any issues with America or Americans (thank God because myself and my children both claim US citizenship) But DH says that American politics are too much religious rhetoric and religion is used as a tool to get ahead. To me American politics is too much like children on a play ground kicking each other out of the sand box. And this is coming from someone who was living in NY when the Senate shut down 3 years ago.

Sally - posted on 02/21/2012

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I got to say when i read things like this , im thankful i live in the UK. Please im not saying the USA is a bad place but i feel that religion plays too big a part in your politics and laws. Here we vote on policy not what religion our Prime Minister believes in and no we are not godless heatherns. We just don't believe religion and politics mix.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/21/2012

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That is an awesome story! Gave me shivers. It is exactly what I am saying when it comes to allowing a mother have complete understanding of what is occurring with their unborn child and that they could save them from dying or having severe disability once born.



No one has the right to take that from a mother. We have the right to have full knowledge of what grows inside us and the ability to strengthen our unborn baby so they can live healthy productive lives. I highly doubt most mother's elect abortion, most just need the understanding of what may lie ahead.



Thank You Krista for that, it was enlightening.

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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Seen on my favourite blog:



"Corporations are people. Zygotes are people. When the holy rollerskating fuck will women be people, too?"

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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Kelina, that does seem to be what he's saying -- that the customary procedure is to "encourage abortions". So once again, he's implying that women are too fucking stupid to know their own minds, and that nefarious doctors are using amnios to pressure these poor dumb nitwits into murdering their babies.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/21/2012

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You're right Krista, it is always possible! Just thank heaven's it is not foreseeable at the current time. They are currently more concerned with watching our internet behaviour (and allowing very confidential information be obtainable to the wicked) than what woman do with their bodies... However, if they are willing to collect data on us, they could be willing to do many more unthinkable things...

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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And MeMe...never say "never". We must be vigilant. All it takes is one national tragedy for people to become frightened and seek comfort in authority figures. And there are only too many people out there who would be only too happy to take advantage of that and try to mold Canada into something unrecognizable, all in the guise of "security".

Kelina - posted on 02/21/2012

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Maybe I'm jsut reading this differently or it could be that I'm tired and sleep deprived cause my phone rang an hour before my kids got up this morning and I'm sick, but I'm reading that particular line as DOCTORS recommending abortions when somethings wrong. However that could jsut be my foggy brain. I also live in Canada and am really happy nothing like this has happened here in my memory.

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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Yeah, the whole "party of small government" is a sham.



These people who don’t like Roe don’t like Griswold, either. They’d be happy to throw out any jurisprudence that interferes with the state’s ability to tell people what they can do in their own bedrooms. To them, that isn’t an important freedom, like the ability to spend your money the way you want -- unless, of course, you want to spend your money on things that red-blooded 'Muricans like them don't approve of.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/21/2012

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I am very happy to be a Canadian. We will never see the day where we get some sick ass trying to invade our personal lives as the GOP want to in the US. The closest so far is Bill C-30 (formally C-51), the Canadian Internet Surveillance bill (which is scary in itself but at least we can still have our rights as a woman!).



I had two epidurals, I must be going to hell now... Oh well, I can live with that. I have already been there, not afraid of another time. ;)



I truly hope this guys gets put under a bus, he doesn't deserve my dogs water let alone to run a Country!

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 02/21/2012

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Rebecca, then I guess it's a good thing I didn't really read the Bible. I had an epi for my first daughter... maybe I was paying for my sins because I almost had a stroke delivering my second. *shrug* But my dumb self wants a third.



Reading and hearing all of the recent rhetoric spewed out by the GOP candidates makes me very happy I live in Canada. The government may control my health care, but our politics are so different from the US that it would be considered political suicide if someone tried anything like this up here.



I keep saying this but it's true. It's very funny that the people who scream the most about being 'Constitution following conservatives' are the ones who are violating the constitution the most. In this case the 14th Ammendment.



Jen, that personhood law will just have women from OK go to other states to get an abortion for an Ectopic (can't spell) pregnancy. It's already being done in other states with simular rules.

Mary - posted on 02/21/2012

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I haven't encountered anything about pain relief in labor. I have been doing a lot of reading about him over the past few days. I really hadn't paid a whole lot of attention to him until this past weekend. He scares the crap out of me.



I know that there is no way to prove the existence of a god, but he makes a very compelling argument for the existence of the devil incarnate.

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I found a blog post referencing something one of his supporters said, but that was it:



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...



Quote: "Foster Freiss, the man financing Santorum’s super PAC, had told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell that in his day, women practiced birth control by putting an aspirin between their knees. To say this didn’t go over too well would be an understatement, so Santorum had to know he’d be playing defense."

Tam - posted on 02/21/2012

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The only statistic I was able to find was the one regarding amnios that were positive for Downs. And that was from Wikipedia, so take that as you will.



But you're right, there are likely far more people whose minds are laid to rest by the procedure.

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Santorum is a moron and the fact that he is even a candidate is disturbing. I would love to see the actual statistics on how many women who have amnios have an abortion -- I'm guessing more likely than not it results in the women continuing with a healthy pregnancy without the specture of "something's wrong" with the baby hanging over her head. I'm also sure there are some women who are able to spend time preparing for a child's condition as a result of the knowledge gained. Sure, some women will terminate, but I'm guessing quite a few of those women would terminate even if they were provided "less" information.



For me, I had one amnio and gave birth to two healthy babies. The results of my amnio certainly didn't encourage me to have an abortion.

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Of course he does -- because women are supposed to suffer pain in childbirth. Didn't you know the bible says so?

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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Jen, where did you hear that Santorum opposes pain relief during labour? I'd love to find that, but am coming up short.

Krista - posted on 02/21/2012

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Jen, that was a righteous rant. Seriously, it should be on the front page of every newspaper in the US, with the headline, "Wake the fuck up, people!"

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It will make it perfectly reasonable (by the legal nature of the law) to charge women who have miscarried with involuntary manslaughter.



I'd better not move there, by their definition I'm a serial killer.



Lets say Mr Santorum stops all amnio testing, is he going to complain in 5 years time when health and education spending goes through the roof because you have to support all the deformed and disabled children who weren't aborted? I ask as the parent of a disabled child who can't get enough behavioural, occupational, and speech therapy, and was signed off early by his nursing team because of government budget cuts.

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I don't care if it DOES encourage abortions to be honest. That's the parents choice no one makes it lightly especially when they are 20+ weeks and give enough of a shit to get an amniocentesis and find out what their child is going to be like. My hat goes off to parents of severely disabled kids who chose to go through with the pregnancy. Also I'd rather know and be prepared for the future than unexpectedly have a high needs child and not know anything about it. Also like Mary said it can encourage you to NOT get an abortion.

Jennifer - posted on 02/20/2012

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I am a pro-lifer. I am a teacher of special needs kids, and I adore them. I had a later pregnancy which made Down's a bigger possibility, and I refused the amnio. I still don't think this is a good idea..........

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/20/2012

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I don't know what idiot except Rick Santorum would say such a thing. I am pro-life, let me just get that out there from the get go. However, someone receiving an amniocentesis does not necessarily mean they are going to abort. Some need it so they can plan and some to rest their minds. How ridiculous and absurd!



It is also true that other less invasive testing is done first. Yes, through sonogram but also (if elected) through blood screening tests. There are 3 different methods, I chose the one with a lower false-positive rate (done at around 10 weeks and again at around 15-20 weeks, then they add the numbers and do some mathematical calculation using you age and get a result) I was a high risk category, due to my age and a previous miscarriage. I elected for these blood tests, just so I could prepare if required. The blood tests came back with a 1 in 150 chance my son had Downs. I was given the choice to have the Amniocentesis, I declined and went with a full blown ultrasound. The ultrasound lowered the chance to 1 in 450 chance, this for me was good enough. It is the same rate a normal 20 year old has when pregnant.



However, not everyone feels the same as me. Some need to be more prepared and need to know for sure, they need to be able to sleep at night. That is their right. Of course being pro-life, I don't want to recognize that some veer towards abortion when they get their result but I can't stand in the way of this type of testing because not ALL make that decision. This type of testing can also allow for the doctors to be fully equipped for the birth of the child if there - heaven forbid - is something wrong. They can also, at times, do things to help the baby as it grows within the mother, to help mitigate any issues the baby may have at birth...



I only chose not to because I knew it didn't matter for me, we were checking for Downs. It may however matter for a mother that needs to know if there is a heart defect, they can do things to help this type of disorder while the baby is still in the womb.. I was just to afraid of the 1% risk of it harming my baby, yeah I know, I don't like risk (for those that know me from other threads.). ;) It doesn't mean someone else won't get benefit out of the procedure.



I just don't like it when someone makes bold statements while not being fully educated. I mean, I am sure I am not fully educated on the entire procedure either but I, having been through the decision process, obviously know more than this jackass...

Mary - posted on 02/20/2012

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From the standpoint of someone who works in OB, what really sets me off is the absolute ignorance of his claim. He conveniently seems to ignore the fact that an amnio can sometimes negate the suspicion of Downs or other anomalies that early first trimester screenings erroneously show a probability of. There are, in fact, times when the amnio results may dissuade a woman from aborting, because the fetus is actually "normal".



Tam, I agree that the statistic about Down's-related abortion is shocking. However, I do think that the average person thinks that all people with Downs are just like the healthier, higher-functioning ones you see on TV, or encounter in public. There are different levels of severity with this, and some of them have some truly catastrophic health issues (particularly heart related).



I think what worries me the most is that there are so many people who believe he is "right". It terrifies me that he can spew this absolute crap out of his mouth, and people - including other women actually cheer for him. I am terrified of the pro-life fanatics who only hear "______ encourages abortions", and suddenly decide that society should eliminate all prenatal testing as tools of the devil.

Tam - posted on 02/20/2012

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Agreed, Kate. And to add to what I already said, since the amnio is done after the sonogram, taking that away would simply remove another step from the decision making process for people who WOULD abort a fetus with abnormalities.



What, is he going to try to do away with perinatal sonograms as well, after this? Coupled with that fiasco in Virginia, if these wackos get their way, the only sonogram you'll get paid for by insurance is if you decide to undergo an abortion.



Thing is, he's only seeming to reference coverage provided by the government (another issue entirely, so I'm not going further on my opinions on that) but from how I see it, the people who would require governmental assistance with healthcare would be (not always, but in general) those who may not have the financial resources to take care of a disabled child.



I read on Wikipedia (yes, I know, not a truly trusted source) that the rate of abortion for fetuses that test positive for Downs is in the neighborhood of 90%. When I saw that, I started a dialogue with my husband, my point being that there are plenty of people with that condition that make it to having normal, almost autonomous lives. Keep in mind, I am pro-choice. But I was somewhat appalled at the rate of abortion for what I considered a 'livable' condition.



And then I read about what Downs really entails, and that is some scary, painful shit. Heart disease. Eye disorders. Neural disorders, with a lot of them showing signs of Alzheimer's before the age of 50. Nerve disorders in the intestine, resulting in malfunctions of the bowels. Separation of abdominal muscles.



Getting just one of these is horrible, but the heightened chance of all is terrifying. Trying to pay for the treatment of all of that is daunting.



If Santorum was just talking finances, which is what it sounds like he is trying to couch this in, then denying a test in the hopes it lessens abortion rates will end up costing the healthcare program more in the long run.



Please bear in mind, I am no advocating aborting possible Downs Syndrome fetuses. Only putting it out there why some people might choose to do so.



And I really don't think the government should be so focused on our reproductive systems in any case.

Kate CP - posted on 02/20/2012

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The dude is an asshole and I sincerely hope that people recognize what a crazy person he really is. I do NOT want this man running the country.

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