Another breastfeeding mother kicked out of store...

Joanna - posted on 01/09/2011 ( 173 moms have responded )

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MONTREAL - Supporters are rallying behind a Montreal mother who was asked to stop breastfeeding her five-month old baby in the play area of a downtown children's store.

Shannon Smith was shopping at a store called Orchestra this week when her infant got hungry, so she began to nurse him in a semi-secluded seating area for kids.

A store clerk approached soon afterward, Smith said, instructing her and another mother who was breastfeeding nearby to stop.

Smith told the clerk she had a right to breastfeed in the store, and asked to speak with a supervisor. She got the same answer.

Smith said she complied with the request and left the store soon afterward, but grew more angry about the incident upon reflection.

"It's shocking to me that in 2011, people still have an attitude that women shouldn't breastfeed in public," Smith said in an interview Saturday.

"I think it's absurd, especially in a children's clothing store."

Smith's blog post about the incident has spread quickly online, and supporters are planning to stage a nurse-in at the store later this month.

An employee reached at the store Saturday referred calls about the incident to the company's Montreal head office, which did not return a request for comment.

Only Ontario and British Columbia specifically detail the rights of breastfeeding feeding mothers, though Quebec and other provinces have human rights charters that protect women from discrimination on the basis of sex.

In Quebec, the charter has been used successfully to argue for the women's right to breastfeed.

Smith said she has written the company to complain, and is hoping it responds with a policy allowing breastfeeding.

Last month, Alberta's provincial art gallery scrapped its ban on breastfeeding after an Edmonton mother complained that she was told to leave an exhibit room because food and drink weren't allowed around the artwork.

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The worst part to me were the comments... People saying "do it in private, there are children present," obviously don't want their children to know what that body part is really for. People saying "bring a bottle" obviously don't know that some picky babies (like mine) won't take a bottle. And don't get me started to the people comparing it to taking a crap.

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Kate CP - posted on 01/13/2011

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I did both, too (pumped for when I had to work) and bottles are a bitch. :P

Mrs. - posted on 01/13/2011

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Yes but your husband can't take your boob and nurse for you. He also can't take the baby and let you go out for the day unless you pump (which it seems many don't). There are a lot of "easier" things about bottle feeding.

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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I did both too and much preferred using my boobies. The bottles were a pain. I was so glad when I was finished with them, all that washing, sterilizing, worrying about refrigeration. I do wash my boobs and all, but it wasn't some added thing I just did when I was nursing. I've pretty much always washed my boobs. But I've never had to sterilize them or refrigerate them. And I can't forget them when I leave the house.

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How is washing bottles, filling bottles, and feeding bottles easier than just popping a kid on the boob?

I don't have bottle feeding experience, but that just doesn't compute to me. ;)

Isobel - posted on 01/13/2011

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I did both as well...and I dare say that bottle feeding was FAR more work

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I disagree Emma I have done it both ways and bottle feeding was definitely easier and much more convenient. I bottle fed my first, bf my second for 3 1/2mo's and bf my third for a few weeks, then switched to just pumping and then switched to a a bottle. Out of all ways bottle was the easiest for sure.

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Stifler's - posted on 01/13/2011

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Bottle feeding is so inconvenient. Pumping breastmilk would be even worse. There are laws against people making you feel uncomfortable while breastfeeding in Australia by saying things or staring I'm pretty sure. It's not your god given right to stare, get on with your day and stop worrying about what others are doing.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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I've honestly never noticed a weird look, ever. Even when nursing my two year old in a restaurant. Hahaha, maybe I'm just oblivious.



And everyone who knows me has been very supportive or at least quite interested. Nothing negative. Or maybe I'm just scary and they don't dare say anything negative?

Jennifer - posted on 01/13/2011

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i know you didn't say they should be uncomfortable...that is just naturally what happens when bottle feeding is the norm...people forget what the true function of a breast is.

can i ask where you live, Sherri?

Mrs. - posted on 01/13/2011

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Most of the reason I covered myself with a blanket when BFing in public, for the first couple months I could is because some men are creepy. I'm not shy, I don't mind the whole looking at my tits thing if I didn't have creepy men or teen boys watching for that moment the baby falls asleep and lets the nip slip. Seriously, I'd rather not be in some sicko's spank bank in that context.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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Yup and I never said they should be ever be uncomfortable to feed their baby in public. It is really the norm here to that mommy's don't breastfeed past 3-4mo's. There is just way to many mom's that need to go back to work and even those that don't just don't want the commitment that it requires. Because of this it just doesn't change peoples views on it because it is so rarely even seen.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Yeah, it's never crossed my mind to pump when going out. Actually, it's never crossed my mind to pump at all.

You do what you gotta but I imagine doing double duty is rough.

Jennifer - posted on 01/13/2011

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sherri, i think thats really sad, honestly. i know some women are genuinly uncomfortable nursing in public for their own reasons but if a woman doesn't mind to nurse in public, she shouldnt have to worry about what others will think of it. as an exclusively pumping momma, you can bet your ass that when hubby and i have more kids there is no way in hell i would express milk just to avoid possible negative feedback from passers-by. pumping SUCKS, and bottles are inconvenient when compared to straight from the source.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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Actually it was my sister n law and no she wasn't she was just not comfortable outside of her own home. She also only breastfed both her girls to 4mo's. The oldest is now 2 and she is now formula feeding the youngest who is 10mo's and has been for last 6mo's.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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There are very few breastfeeders her either I actually see it more traveling or especially down South. I think it because 95% of mothers here were I live only breastfeed for the first 3-4mo's and then switch to bottles. Also many mothers even if they are bf'ing her will express and put it in a bottle so you actually may not even be aware that it is breastmilk not formula. That is what my sister n law did she NEVER bf in public ever she would only bf in her home and if she left even to visit friends or family she expressed.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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No when I say 'we're' I mean my two year old and I.



If you feel that I am considerate by not dripping milk everywhere then I thank you, lol.



But I'm not minding where my shirt is lying on my breast to please others.

Jennifer - posted on 01/13/2011

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what i think is really sad is that i have only EVER seen ONE woman breastfeeding in public. i see bottles all over the place, but never any boobs being used for what they are there for.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I have seen some down right plain disgusting and rude breastfeeders. Although I do think the majority is very considerate and discreet in public, it sadly is the few excuse my analogy here are down right pigs and ruin it for all the other mothers out their.

Mrs. - posted on 01/13/2011

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Lisa, when you say "we're" you couldn't possibly be saying all women right? Come on, some ladies you gotta know are probably not as neat and tidy as you are. If you know you are not being rude and as considerate with your child's eating habits as you are with yours then that's awesome. I don't think every woman is though...I've seen some whacked out breastfeeding.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Eh, I try not to let my swollen boobies drip or spray milk anywhere, just like I try to not let food dribble out of my mouth to be smeared on the table.



Not worrying about some skin showing is not equitable to scattering saliva-covered mashed food particles.



We're still nice and tidy regardless of how much skin is showing.

Mrs. - posted on 01/13/2011

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Okay, I haven't read the rest of the thread so I don't know if anyone has mentioned it. Everyone can eat anyway they like...still if someone male or female, is eating with their mouth open, food is falling out of their mouth, they are wiping it with their hand and smearing it on the table...that would offend some folks. We've all learned that when eating in public, it's always nice to close your mouth and respect others by being neat/tidy.

Breastfeeding is still eating, you can be all sloppy about it, that is completely your right (and I'm not saying this mom was sloppy, I have no idea). Still, it would be nice and considerate to others to do it in a way that is neat and not crazy I-have-the-right-so-look-at-my-swollen-dripping milk-boobies-and-learn-from-it kind of way.

To say that there is no rude way of BFing is just not true. There is pretty much a rude way to do most things, even natural things that are good for babies.

Amanda - posted on 01/13/2011

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Once you have breastfeed in a bathing suit, you no longer worry how much boob is hanging out. LOL

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Lisa, I definitely DON'T like your former church. I nursed my son in the back (cuz that's where I always sit) of our church almost every single week for the first 2.5 years of his life. NO ONE ever once said a negative word.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Definitely mouths. Ugh a huge pet peeve of mine is when a teeny dot of mayonaise sticks to the corner of someone's mouth and they NEVER lick it up or wipe it with a napkin. UUUUURGH I want to go pick it off for them.

Charlie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Please ,
In order to not offend me cover your knives and forks and mouths .
Thank you .

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Really, when I'm nursing my daughter in public I hold her how I'm comfortable. If my shirt covers all of my breast, great, if not, oh well. I don't think of it much. It's just not central on my mind to cover up any particular amount because everyone has different ideas on what is acceptable. I mean, people from our former church told me that breastfeeding should never under any circumstances be done in public. *shrugs* I've had it with trying to please so many people.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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Lisa I am saying if she tried to be modest about it great. By all means please feed your child. If she whipped it out with no regard to anybody else and didn't bother to cover her breast in the least then yes that is when it becomes a problem IMHO. I don't deny an infant or baby from bf'ing and needing to eat. I also think it can be done to feed your baby and not offend those around you by over exposing your breast unnecessarily. Because although bf'ing does not offend me fully exposing my children to their breast certainly does.

Bonnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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They have a right to stare and/or be offended. They don't have a right to fuss or make negative comments IMO.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Well, I suppose they have the right to stare and the right to be offended. But that's their hang up not mine. Not gonna stop me from tending to my children.

Stifler's - posted on 01/13/2011

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I don't know why people get so offended or feel they have the right to stare. It's breastfeeding... normal, natural and totally not obscene. Why do people have to be so immature.

Jenn - posted on 01/13/2011

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I don't see why you would compare it to going to the bathroom because "it's a private thing." How the fuck is feeding a baby a private thing? When you eat, is it a private thing? UGH! I can tell you only for myself, that when I bf'ed in public, it certainly wasn't to make a point or a scene of any sort, it was because I felt the need to leave the confines of the 4 walls of my house like a regular person, and that meant taking my baby out with me. So while we were out if he got hungry, he ate. I didn't use bottles because I didn't use formula and I sucked at pumping. I did usually have a cover with me, but for the most part I didn't use it or really need it as it's possible to keep mostly covered with your shirt, so if someone saw me they wouldn't have seen much. Unless of course they happened to be watching while he unlatched or something and they got a flash of nip - but those people I say "STOP STARING AT ME YOU RUDE FUCKER!"

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Your idea of discreet is likely different frome someone else's, Sherri. Showing more than what you would prefer to see doesn't make her wrong.



I don't cover and I really don't pay much attention that only a pre-determined acceptable amount of skin is showing. In my opinion, not being discreet would be standing up on the table with both breasts out and flapping them up and down.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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So how does a tiny bit of boob endanger your health?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, boobs are a matter of public safety. They can certainly cause an onlooker to black out in a fit of panic and suffer serious convulsions.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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As long as she was being discreet about it then she wasn't doing anything wrong. There is a way to be discreet without using a cover as long as the majority of your breast is covered and that is what I mean by being discreet. Just bring your shirt down enough that just your nipple is showing and your baby is sucking on that so ultimately you are covered. She should not have been made to leave. If she was displaying for all to see then that is when I have a problem with it.

Maddie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Is a boob a boob without a nipple? When my bub feeds if you see any of my boob its not any more then you would see if i were to wear low cut tops or lets say a bikini.. I do however believe there is a private way to feed your bub in public, I'd never put a blanket over my baby, but I do try to keep as much of my body covered as i can, no one wants to see my stretch marks...

Amanda - posted on 01/13/2011

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Sorry Im a tad late on this topic, but I been trying to figure out how someone can compare public smoking to public breastfeeding.



"Just like I believe that all non-smokers have the right to breathe clean air when going to a public restaurant, I believe that people have a right to not see a naked boob if they don't want to."



Are you kidding me? How can you compare these things as the same thing?? Smoking in public resturants endangers everyones health in the resturant. So how does a tiny bit of boob endanger your health?



It is this kind of ignorance and close mindedness, that has kept woman from breastfeeding for many generations. Thank god the world is changing slowly but surely.

Charlie - posted on 01/11/2011

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When I breastfeed I do it anywhere because where I live no one bats an eye , it is normal , I even sit in a room full of my friends both girls and guys and their kids and no one bats an eye , we continue laughing and chatting and more often than not talk about breastfeeding in a positive way .

Krista - posted on 01/11/2011

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Of course there are some people who make a scene. That applies to pretty much anything. I do not understand though why the vast majority of breastfeeding mothers should have to hide in bathrooms or under burkas because a few odd ducks like to flash their tatas.

I saw a man walking down the street backwards while balancing on a curb wearing tartan golf shorts in the snow today. Should we all just drive or bicycle because this one guy was making a ridiculous scene?


Beautifully put.

Melissa - posted on 01/11/2011

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thats so bad. I have a baby who wont take abottle. I do my best tobreast feed in privae but sometimes its not possible. Absolutely disgusting. Its natural! I breats feed at my daughters daycare the kids have no problem with it they still talk to me and play with baby

Becky - posted on 01/10/2011

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I no longer use a cover-up when I nurse, and, unless you happen to look right when we're latching or unlatching, you will not see any boob at all. I pull my shirt down to cover the top and Zach's head covers the rest. If I didn't wear a tank top, you might see my flabby, stretch-marked stomach, and IMO, that's far more gross than my little old boob.
I don't breastfeed in public to make a spectacle of myself, but I do sort of do it to make a statement. Yes, I could (and sometimes do) go to the mother's room or out to my car or whatever, but I shouldn't have to, and neither should any other mother. That is the only statement I am trying to make. I've never experienced any negativity, that I was aware of anyways, but in a perverse sort of way, I almost hope I do someday, just so I can put that person in their place!
And on the forgetting, I have never forgotten that my boob was hanging out of my shirt, but I have lost count of how many times I've realized halfway through the day -while I'm out and about- that neither side of my bra is done up! lol I blame mommy brain and nursing hormones! When my babies were younger and nursed more frequently, I would quite often go around the house with my boob hanging out!

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