Bath Time Photos Prompt Child Porn Allegations

Konda - posted on 09/22/2009 ( 25 moms have responded )

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Read this story....this family was accused of child pornography and had their children taken away for a short period, because they dropped photos of 'bath-time' on vacation at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart called the police...and it went from there. OMG, this could have happened to any of us that develop pictures of our little ones....or at least any of the Moms I know.....

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/arizona-couple...

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Charlie - posted on 09/22/2009

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That is ridiculous, i have heaps of photos of Cooper splashing in his bath not to mention the photos of me as a baby running around naked .

What worries me more is the Bath competitions on COM where people post full on nude shots of their child , it might not be porn for them its just their child splashing but ANYONE can view them , copy and print them .
I am sure pedophiles are well aware of sites like these that are easy to access and have naked children plastered all over them , people don't seem to realize that once its on the internet its there for all !

SCARY right ?

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Charlie - posted on 09/23/2009

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Once upon a time it was normal to put a nudie baby photo in the newspaper for someones twenty first !!

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Quoting Carol:

Evelyn, while I think that society as a whole has increasingly oversexualized children, I do not believe there are any more perverts out there than there were before. The pervert ratio is just about the same as it always was. We are just more alert and paranoid about it now. The media coverage of the issue of child porn, along with greater social comfort with the discussion has made it seem like something new. But when my parents had photos of me, naked as a child, developed at the drug store they were taking exactly the same level of risk that I would be taking if I did it now. When I was young, there were several incidents of men taking photos on our school playground, there was one attempted kidnapping, and I was flashed by two different pervs. Sometimes I actually wonder if things aren't slightly better now that we all know about these issues and are a bit paranoid about them. The perverts have far less access to our kids and people are far more vigilant. I'm not suggesting that we ignore the problem, but I feel we should take a measured response that doesn't lead us to live life feeling like we are under siege from all the bad things of the world. I develop my photos at home for convenience, but I have taken a disposable camera to be developed at the store which had pictures of my daughter in her bathing suit. It is perfectly possible that some pedophile found those pictures arousing and kept a copy. Unlikely though, and I am not willing to live my life thinking that anyone who sees my kid might have the wrong intentions.

Besides, statistically the pedophile who attacks our children is far more likely to be one of our family members or a close friend. And those are the people we might allow to see such photos of our children.


  Ithink the only real difference between then and now is media and internet-both in their amount of coverage of pedophiles and in their capability to be used for the wrong thing. My naked bath photos couldn't have ended up online-but my children's could, if they were in the wrong hands.



 

Evelyn - posted on 09/23/2009

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Quoting Carol:

Evelyn, while I think that society as a whole has increasingly oversexualized children, I do not believe there are any more perverts out there than there were before. The pervert ratio is just about the same as it always was. We are just more alert and paranoid about it now. The media coverage of the issue of child porn, along with greater social comfort with the discussion has made it seem like something new. But when my parents had photos of me, naked as a child, developed at the drug store they were taking exactly the same level of risk that I would be taking if I did it now. When I was young, there were several incidents of men taking photos on our school playground, there was one attempted kidnapping, and I was flashed by two different pervs. Sometimes I actually wonder if things aren't slightly better now that we all know about these issues and are a bit paranoid about them. The perverts have far less access to our kids and people are far more vigilant. I'm not suggesting that we ignore the problem, but I feel we should take a measured response that doesn't lead us to live life feeling like we are under siege from all the bad things of the world. I develop my photos at home for convenience, but I have taken a disposable camera to be developed at the store which had pictures of my daughter in her bathing suit. It is perfectly possible that some pedophile found those pictures arousing and kept a copy. Unlikely though, and I am not willing to live my life thinking that anyone who sees my kid might have the wrong intentions.

Besides, statistically the pedophile who attacks our children is far more likely to be one of our family members or a close friend. And those are the people we might allow to see such photos of our children.


You are absolutely right...but I still maintain that it is better to err on the side of caution when it comes to nude pics of children. Whether it's 1965 or 2115.  Taking this precaution doesn't make me feel as if I'm "living under siege from all the bad things in the world". While I do believe the threat is there that  the wrong person could get their perverted hands on my photos...honestly I am just a mom who doesn't want anyone seeing my kid naked!

Shannon Cassidy- - posted on 09/23/2009

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Quoting Konda:

I know that this is shocking Evelyn, but I disagree....as a place of business it is the stores responsibility to develop the pictures and send them home with you. If they hire pedophiles or people post the pictures on the internet, then the store will have be funding my child's future and comfortably at that.

These were not sexual pictures in any way shape or form..people are getting crazy with this type of shit. I posted a birth picture of Benjamin 3 months ago, it was a pic from the hospital window while they were cleaning him....I posted it on my MySpace page, and was sent a warning of child porn and it was taken down. People are just plain stupid.



LOL you know that happened to me I posted a pitcure of Jacob and Cody  on my Myspace page of the two of them in the bath tub innocent pitcure , they were covered in soap suds I would never ever let their little manhoods   be  exsposed , I just thought it was a cute pitcure  anyways they deleted it  stating   something like "We are not allowed to except any nudities at anytime"  No warnings of Child Porn or anything like that thank God , But I was like all you could see is their beallys and smiling faces , if they go outside on a real hot day sometimes I take their Tshirts off  it was as innocent as that ,thats all my friends would have seen nothing else lol,. Its kind of stupid.

Johnny - posted on 09/23/2009

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Evelyn, while I think that society as a whole has increasingly oversexualized children, I do not believe there are any more perverts out there than there were before. The pervert ratio is just about the same as it always was. We are just more alert and paranoid about it now. The media coverage of the issue of child porn, along with greater social comfort with the discussion has made it seem like something new. But when my parents had photos of me, naked as a child, developed at the drug store they were taking exactly the same level of risk that I would be taking if I did it now. When I was young, there were several incidents of men taking photos on our school playground, there was one attempted kidnapping, and I was flashed by two different pervs. Sometimes I actually wonder if things aren't slightly better now that we all know about these issues and are a bit paranoid about them. The perverts have far less access to our kids and people are far more vigilant. I'm not suggesting that we ignore the problem, but I feel we should take a measured response that doesn't lead us to live life feeling like we are under siege from all the bad things of the world. I develop my photos at home for convenience, but I have taken a disposable camera to be developed at the store which had pictures of my daughter in her bathing suit. It is perfectly possible that some pedophile found those pictures arousing and kept a copy. Unlikely though, and I am not willing to live my life thinking that anyone who sees my kid might have the wrong intentions.

Besides, statistically the pedophile who attacks our children is far more likely to be one of our family members or a close friend. And those are the people we might allow to see such photos of our children.

Evelyn - posted on 09/23/2009

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Quoting Carol:

I believe that it is the police and the prosecutors who are sick and perverted in this case. Think of all the time they wasted pursuing a case of bath pictures when there are pedophiles and sexual predators out there to be caught. The more I've read about this case, the more it seemed like one of those situations where the authorities realize early on that they are wrong, but they do not want to admit their error, so they continue to prosecute. Nice way to ruin the life of an innocent family.

I am not a "naked" person. I always wear clothes and feel a bit weird naked. It would take a very large sum of money to get me to take of my swimsuit on a nudist beach. BUT, I feel that Western culture has a very disturbed body image. We have over-sexualized just about everything and now something as innocent as a children's bath photos are being considered pornography. At the same time we dress up little toddlers in make-up, hair pieces, fake teeth and bikinis and parade them around a stage on national television. Our society is really sick. Nudity is natural, acceptable, and nothing to be ashamed of (I know I'm a hypocrite here). Our sense of morality is skewed and we are allowing the perverts to stop us from enjoying a normal life. I have baby bath photos of me and my male cousin when we were 4. They were developed at the drug store and no one thought anything of it at all. Because there is nothing weird or wrong with naked kids (or naked anyone for that matter).


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I don't think anyone is saying that there is something "wrong" with naked photos of your kids playing. Heck I've got plenty bath shots of my little one too! What I'm saying is yes our society HAS gotten sick and perverted and while bath time shots may not be considered sexual to YOU or ME...it sure is in the hands of the wrong person. I just think because of the way society is today, that it is NOT safe to develop these sorts of photos outside of the home.



 

Johnny - posted on 09/22/2009

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I believe that it is the police and the prosecutors who are sick and perverted in this case. Think of all the time they wasted pursuing a case of bath pictures when there are pedophiles and sexual predators out there to be caught. The more I've read about this case, the more it seemed like one of those situations where the authorities realize early on that they are wrong, but they do not want to admit their error, so they continue to prosecute. Nice way to ruin the life of an innocent family.

I am not a "naked" person. I always wear clothes and feel a bit weird naked. It would take a very large sum of money to get me to take of my swimsuit on a nudist beach. BUT, I feel that Western culture has a very disturbed body image. We have over-sexualized just about everything and now something as innocent as a children's bath photos are being considered pornography. At the same time we dress up little toddlers in make-up, hair pieces, fake teeth and bikinis and parade them around a stage on national television. Our society is really sick. Nudity is natural, acceptable, and nothing to be ashamed of (I know I'm a hypocrite here). Our sense of morality is skewed and we are allowing the perverts to stop us from enjoying a normal life. I have baby bath photos of me and my male cousin when we were 4. They were developed at the drug store and no one thought anything of it at all. Because there is nothing weird or wrong with naked kids (or naked anyone for that matter).

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Ewww Jo.....just thinking about it makes me cringe. I know it sounds bad but I didn't even want to watch (much less take pictures) when Jacob had his circumcision...neither did Steve. I couldn't imagine why anyone would want to post that on-line.....? I guess if you want to share it with Aunt Mary who lives accross the country....email......



When Jacob was first born, up until he was around 6 months old, from time to time I would have pics printed out at Walgreens (a drug store). When he was around 6 months I remember seeing another story of this same thing the OP was talking about....something innocent being turned into a "child porn" case. I had always been careful of what I posted on line, but after that, I stopped sending pics to Walgreens to be developed as well. Which means that I have about a year and a half's worth of pictures stored on cd and on my hard drive. Pics that I will develop on my own once I get a photo printer (some day.....lol). I just don't want to take the risk of some kid at the photo lab using his "wise and subjective mind" to judge my naked baby bubble bath pictures. Or any of the many times he strips off his diaper and streaks the house. I agree also with whoever pointed out earlier that they don't do background checks on the people who work at Wal Mart (or wherever). So it's not just a matter of worrying that we as parents will get in trouble, it's also a matter of worrying what some freak will do to turn himself on using my (or your) innocent pictures. Too many damn sickos out there.

Charlie - posted on 09/22/2009

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Quoting Jodi:



Quoting Jeannette:

people will do horrible things with their kids for money.






Too true, and very sad.  There was a case here recently where a man was arrested for selling pornographic photographs of his own daughter and granddaughter (and the grandaughter was only 4 months old from memory). Sick, sick, sick.





I heard that !! that is so sick it made me cry .

Jodi - posted on 09/22/2009

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Quoting Jeannette:

people will do horrible things with their kids for money.



Too true, and very sad.  There was a case here recently where a man was arrested for selling pornographic photographs of his own daughter and granddaughter (and the grandaughter was only 4 months old from memory). Sick, sick, sick.

Jeannette - posted on 09/22/2009

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Actually Konda, I had watched an episode of Oprah umpteen years ago...and that episode kept me from ever taking full frontal nude pics of my kids. However, there is a pic of me holding my baby girl and my older girl is wearing her panties, but all you see is the top part of her, so no one would know she had something on.
It is sad that parents have to prove they're not perverts or pedophiles, but we live in an age where child porn is sought after on the internet, and people will do horrible things with their kids for money.
I think this case in particular got way out of hand. A year to prove they're not sickos? Way too long to keep kids from their parents and vice versa.

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I have a friend who has put 3-4 full frontal naked pics of her little boy on fb without putting the album on "only friends" and it scares the shit out of me for that lil boy. Myself and a friend have both said something to her and she basically told us to "stop being so paranoid."



My aunt commented on a pic of a new baby a few months ago.... I clicked to see if I knew them... going through the pics... I was disgusted, horrified, saddened and incredibly shocked to find pictures of this brand new baby being circumcised. Not just like one picture of the baby laying there with a caption saying "about to be circumcised" or anything like that.... about a dozen pictures from a "before" shot, during, and after and then 'healing' pictures.



I messaged my aunt and told her she should probably let them know that ANYONE can see those pictures (because there are some people that don't even know you can change the options on albums) and that FB is NOT the place to be displaying those kinds of pictures.



I have some pics where you can see Gabe's wiener - but those are private pictures. They don't get shown to anyone, other than our immediate family IF they HAPPEN to be goin through the pictures I have on my computer (so the only one other than me and Devon to have seen those pics - is my mom). I have a couple butt pics on facebook... but that's all. I am sure he will be showin his ass to more people than I wanna think about, moonin people and bein a boy - but that will be addressed then. In the meantime - my profile on FB and my pictures on FB are only viewable by my friends.



I haven't got pics developed in so long - I sent pics to walmart to get developed for family but they were all... regular pictures - but I would NEVER send them a picture with my sons wiener showin.

Tawny - posted on 09/22/2009

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They were pictures taken along with all there vacation pictures and if you see the pictures they had bath towels wrapped around them in quite a few of the photos. It is so sad that in this day and age that we have to be scared that we can have our child or children taken away from us because of some bath time fun pictures that didn't show any nudity. They are having fun its not like the pictures had the children posing and showing gross acts. I hope that the walmart employee gets fired and that the they sue Wal Mart for everything they got. Because they are forever going to be known as the pedophiles, they lost jobs and there children were taken away. They got lucky that they had a good Judge who ruled in their favor. Even though thank goodness their children were given back to them it is still going to be hard from here on out. People are very cruel in this world and I hope for there sakes when there children get into school that it doesn't keep getting brought up all the time.

Tracy - posted on 09/22/2009

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Well I have worked in photolabs and have never seen anyone ever take copies or put photos on the net. I have seen some gross pictures but never any involving children. I wish adults would print their nude photo's at home LOL. First thing in the morning after eating breakfast and you are confronted with that! YUCK, Not pretty! The photolabs I have worked for all photo's have to be corrected and checked for errors during printing(dust etc), as some of the clients are professional photographers. One of my bosses did inform the police once of some illegal activity in photos but that is then only case of heard of and I worked in photolabs for about 6 years. I think these sort of people know that we are onto them and avoid photolabs. Majority of people have digital cameras now and select the prints they want and don't want printed. I think its all gone a bit mad really, I think the people that suffering are good parents that can't take photos at the park or swimming lessons etc. Pedophiles are still around and getting photos.

I never was backgroung checked! Anyone directly working with children in Australia has to have a Blue card to work with children. Majority child sex abuse cases are either a family member or friend of the family or befriend your child. We had a case in Australia not long ago where they found a pedophile ring that was sharing child porngaraphic material where exposed. These people included Police, Teachers, School Principle not the sort of people you would expect to do such a thing. All of which would have had background checks.

Jodi - posted on 09/22/2009

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Geez, this is just ridiculous. SURELY the powers that be can tell the difference between someone collecting child porn, and someone who has some lovely, innocent photos of their own children!!! I will be honest, when my kids were younger, I never thought twice about the fact that I took photos of them naked. So basically, this means the photo I have of my daughter on the potty the first time would be porn too, right? She was also always one to take off her clothes constantly, so I have several photos of her naked. It would never even occur to me that I could LOSE my kids over it!!When are people going to get some sense??? What has our world come to???

Evelyn - posted on 09/22/2009

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Quoting Sharon:

OHHHH another good point!! Agreed, stores shouldn't hire pedophiles.

I also agree those bath and birth pictures are utterly harmless.


I agree that birth pics and infant bath pics are totally harmless to have developed, it's when the kids get older like after age 2 or so that I wouldn't. But these were young girls...that were playing around naked...yeah after bathtime sure...but still just lying around NUDE with each other. Fine for personal photo albums and whatnot...but NOT ok for outsiders eyes.

Evelyn - posted on 09/22/2009

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Um..hopefully you're not calling me stupid lol, (I think you are referring to MySpace) but I must disagree with you too. I think that an infants nudity is very different from three young girls. I feel that even though it may be a place of "business" how do you know what type of employee's work there? Do you honestly think they run full background checks on the photo shop workers? Really? Um...that would be a no..not that all pedophiles are documented anyway! I wouldn't want ANYONE seeing my 7 year old daughters nude photos. Pedophile or NOT! I wouldn't care that the store would have to pay me a gazillion dollars in damages if that happened...because the damage would have already been done at that point! And there would be no going back, my kid's nude pics would be in the hands of sick bastards everywhere. Sorry, but that's a chance I'M just not willing to take. I can't speak for you.

Sharon - posted on 09/22/2009

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OHHHH another good point!! Agreed, stores shouldn't hire pedophiles.



I also agree those bath and birth pictures are utterly harmless.

Konda - posted on 09/22/2009

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I know that this is shocking Evelyn, but I disagree....as a place of business it is the stores responsibility to develop the pictures and send them home with you. If they hire pedophiles or people post the pictures on the internet, then the store will have be funding my child's future and comfortably at that.

These were not sexual pictures in any way shape or form..people are getting crazy with this type of shit. I posted a birth picture of Benjamin 3 months ago, it was a pic from the hospital window while they were cleaning him....I posted it on my MySpace page, and was sent a warning of child porn and it was taken down. People are just plain stupid.

Evelyn - posted on 09/22/2009

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Yep there are Sharon... One time I dropped off one of those disposable cameras at Walmart or CVS or somewhere and when we got it back we were looking at the pics and OMG. One of the kids must have been playing around w/the camera because there was a shot of my niece in there, she must have been lying on the ground and someone snapped a pic that kind of showed right up her skirt..but it was a really skeevy looking shot! My mom nearly lost her mind...she was so worried that some sicko had seen it at the lab or that we were going to get 'busted' for kiddie porn. It was just the one shot out of 27 pics of kids playing and laughing etc..etc..but the worry was still there!

Sharon - posted on 09/22/2009

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LMAO Evelyn I didn't even think of that. I was just reminiscing about my son's first bath - all nakey in his baby tub - funny toothless gape mouth laugh, tiny black button at his umbilical site, head turned slightly to the side, and the washcloth my mother threw over his "winky" hahahaha at the last second.



I wasn't going to cover it. I hardly thought of it as a penis at all. Much less a sexual organ. But there are those out there ......

Evelyn - posted on 09/22/2009

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Ok...so while I feel bad for the parents for having gone through this, I do have a major issue with them. Why OH WHY would you get NUDE pictures of your kids developed at a Wal-Mart?? Or by anyone that could see them besides you??? Take the frigging pics with a digital camera or don't take em' at all. There are some sick fuc*s out there and do you really want to take the chance of ur kids possibly being posted all over the internet by someone who developed extra shots at the lab for that purpose? The parents seriously dropped the ball on this one.

Sara - posted on 09/22/2009

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I was talking to co-worker about this today, and I think that's a load of crap. I take pictures of my daugther in the bathtub, but it's not sexual...it doesn't take a freakin' rocket scientist to realize that pictures of bathtime aren't chld porn...for the love of God. It just pisses me off to no end when children are removed from a home for shit like this, yet others are left in homes with real abusers and killed. Disgusting.

Sharon - posted on 09/22/2009

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This has happened a couple of times. I think its ludicrous. My mother freaked out when I showed her TOP ONLY pics of the kids in the tub, covered in bubbles no less.



She was scared to death I had taken full frontal pics of the kids in the tub and was on the verge of being arrested. Nope, stories like the one you posted stopped me.



Pedophiles don't use walmart any more - they use their Kodak printers at home. DUH

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