Chick-Fil-A is anti-Gay

Mary - posted on 07/20/2012 ( 161 moms have responded )

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There has been a huge hullabaloo this past week after the CEO of the fast food chain Chick-Fil-A, Dan Cathy, responded to questions about the company's support of anti-Gay, Christian organizations. While it has never been a secret that the founders of Chick-Fil-A were very Christian, and it was public knowledge that the company had made millions of dollars in donations to organizations such as The Family Research Council, the company had never really made any straightforward, public proclamations about it's stance on these topics until now.

In the past few days, Dan Cathy has addressed his family's (and, therefore Chick-Fil-A's) unabashed support of the"traditional" family:

"We are very much supportive of the family -- the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that...we know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles."

"...I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say, 'We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,' and I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17...

The backlash from this was immediate, with widespread calls for those who support gay rights and marriage equality to boycott the company. It makes sense - if you are eating there, you are indirectly supporting their causes.

Here's my quandary: If I were still childless, I would have no problems never darkening their doorstep again. Despite their popularity, I pretty much never went there unless I was with someone who had small kids. However, once my daughter hit about 20 months, that all changed. I wouldn't say we were there on a regular basis - maybe once every other month. However, there is no denying it is one of the most parent AND kid-friendly places on the planet. They have a great indoor play area that is always clean. There service is simply remarkable, and no other fast food chain can compare. They will set up a high chair at your table, bring your tray out to you, and fetch whatever condiments or utensils your need. For the preschoolers, you have the option of getting an age-appropriate board book in place of the toy. Actually, even the "toy" for the over 3's is often a book (I loved when they doing some of the classic Little Golden Books).

There is also no denying that the taste and quality of their food is, while still fast food, certainly the least unhealthy option out among the genre, and also the most tasty. My 3 y/o's standing order is the 4 count grilled chicken nuggets, fresh fruit cup, and apple juice. Every other fast food chain is pretty much inedible in comparison.

As I said, I don' take her there often; it's only if we are travelling and have to eat on the road, or as a rare treat to break the monotony of everyday life. As much as I'd like to stick to my moral guns on this one, I'm really struggling with denying my preschooler this infrequent little joy over an issue that she is (and at this age should be) blissfully unaware of.

Thoughts?

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Mary - posted on 08/20/2012

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Bobbie, it is blatantly obvious that you have not read either this thread, or even just the OP, in it's entirety. If you had, you would understand why I say that your post is completely pointless and irrelevant - other than it does demonstrate that you really don't know (or perhaps just comprehend) what the issue here really is.

It has very little to do with Dan Cathy's statements to that Baptist publication. In truth, as much as many of us dislike his opinions and beliefs, even those are pretty irrelevant. It all boils down to the fact that his company donates millions of dollars to organizations that are actively involved in efforts to suppress the civil rights of others. It really wasn't all about what he said - it was only that his public statements on this topic put his "charitable" contributions in the spotlight. As a result, the general public developed a new (or greater) awareness that when we patronized his business, we were, in turn, also supporting these morally reprehensible groups.

I personally couldn't care less about a business owner's personal beliefs or ideologies. However, if any of the profits of that business are then being directed to support certain causes, the customers are then complicit in supporting those causes as well simply by spending their money there.

There is a huge difference between "not supporting" or "not believing" in same-sex marriage, and actively participating in the efforts to eliminate it's existence. Dan Cathy and his family's company aren't just professing their beliefs - they are putting a LOT of money out to make their beliefs influence the laws in this country.

Missy - posted on 08/16/2012

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I am having the same issue with Domino's. They are the only pizza delivery with gluten free, but they support things I feel strongly against. The dilemma I have is not that there isn't freedom of speech, I just don't believe corporations should be behaving in this way. If an individual wants to donate their money, that is fine. Corporations have no place promoting agenda's that are not directly business related. It is just disturbing.

Karla - posted on 08/16/2012

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I'm getting damned sick of people using age as and excuse to be bigoted and hateful. I can be open minded and I was taught that by my mother who is now 76 and still open minded.

Oh and Christian, yeah that's another good excuse to judge and be bigoted... no, just no.

These are simply excuses that don't hold water in my book.

The man supports organizations that work against gay people, and he spouted off about it, and now he gets to face the natural consequences for his behavior. If he can't handle that, then he's not near as mature or christian as he'd have you believe; that's just common sense.

Johnny - posted on 07/27/2012

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That is entirely disengenous. It is not about stating what you believe in. If all Mr. Cathy had done was state that he was opposed to same sex marriage, then I don't think the outcry would have been so large and the response so strong. Lots of business people are opposed to gay marriage and no one starts to boycott their businesses. It probably would have gained some supporters in the gay activist community, but it would not be getting the widespread attention and support that has occured.

Mr. Cathy as the owner of the company has Chick-Fil-A directly donate money to organizations that fight to stop the legalization of same-sex marriage. If people do not want their money going to fight same-sex marriage, then they need to be aware that if they patronize Chick-Fil-A a portion of their bill will go towards that fight. The boycott is not designed to force Mr. Cathy to change his opinion on gay marriage. It is designed to slow the financing of organizations that fight gay marriage.

If you believe in tolerance for ALL, then of course you are going to have an issue with people who are intolerant towards others. There is an enormous difference between not tolerating someone for who they are and not tolerating someone's hateful opinions. In addition, while most people completely accept that Mr. Cathy has every right to hold his opinion, we also have every right to oppose his opinion. That goes both ways. What is hypocritical is suggesting that people have the right to stop other people from having equal rights but those that want those equal rights do not have the right to be opposed to those actions. In fact, you are suggesting about limiting their rights doubly. They can't get married and they can't oppose the people who are stopping them from getting married.

Johnny - posted on 07/27/2012

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That was called sarcasm Stella. Unfortunately, we have zero rights to always be comfortable with other people's life choices. Like I said, you have every right not to like gay marriage. But if a country really has equal rights and civil rights, then YOU don't have any right to take away other people's civil rights. Especially since their having those rights has no impact upon you save making you feel uncomfortable. And I think we've already covered the fact that you're just going to have to suck it up and be uncomfortable.

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Mary - posted on 09/09/2012

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Ah, Tracie...it's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to read through the whole thread.

Tracie - posted on 09/08/2012

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Your convictions against discrimination must be pretty weak to be defeated by a clean play area and greasy chicken. Too bad your own convenience is more important to you than other people's civil rights.

Amy - posted on 09/03/2012

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I have never been to, nor will I ever go to a Chick-Fil-A restaurant. Simply because for the CEO to publicly denounce gay rights is wrong. That would be like a gay CEO publicly announcing straight rights. To start with, the right people have in the US is not based on sexual orientation or gender. They are based on being a citizen of the country. Yes, he is entitled to his own opinion but for him to put his company in that kind of light can, in the long run, seriously hurt his business. No company should be publicly denouncing anyone or anything.



My personal thoughts: Equality for all without prejudice to race, religion, culture, personal beliefs, sexual orientation, etc. I've seen pictures and heard people say that gay marriage goes against the sanctity of marriage. What about adultery? Divorce? Those don't go against the sanctity of marriage?

Johnny - posted on 08/21/2012

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Actually, there has been a significant amount of action and speaking out against the Family Research Council and other such organizations. The media is simply more entertained by and thus has reported more enthusiastically about the Chick-Fil-A boycott. But it's not hard to find many articles, opinion pieces and protests against these organizations.

As for your last few sentences, what the fuck are you talking about? (and I'm not talking about your assertion that Jesus loves us, although I can't be sure how you can be sure of that...lol)

Johnny - posted on 08/21/2012

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Mr. Cathy is doing more than simply stating that he believes that the bible condemns homosexuality (or divorce, etc.). He is financially supporting organizations which seek to enforce that belief on all those who do not share it by creating legislation and supporting legislation that is based on those specific sets of "Christian" beliefs.

He is not just telling them the Gospel of Jesus Christ (especially given that Jesus Christ never spoke on homosexuality). He is attempting to force them to live by his rules. That is not exactly accepting that we have free will. I personally reject the teachings of the bible and being forced through civil legislation to live by those rules and teachings removes my free will to reject what I choose.

Mr. Cathy's rights may have been undermined by those few who sought to keep him from opening his business where he chose (in Boston & Chicago as far as I know). But otherwise, he was not bullied nor were his rights infringed upon by all those activists and their followers who spoke up to say that they disagreed. Being angry at someone's opinion is not bullying them.

I'm so sick of this Christian victim bullshit. It's so unbelievably far from the truth. If I was an upstanding American citizen whose life had been characterized through strong public service, a spotless personal history, outstanding academic and professional achievements, and a desire to better the lives of others, I would still not be legally able to hold many elected offices in many states of the union. Do you know why? Simply because I am an atheist and do not profess a belief in God. That's right, many states have in their constitutions that to hold office you must profess a faith in a higher power. So whine to me about bullying, intolerance, and victimization some other time.

West - posted on 08/21/2012

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I do not equivocate Christianity with bigotry. Jesus is not a bigot an to be a follower of his you should not be, but lets face it most "Christians" are bigots. It is our duty to tell people to repent. I tell heterosexuals that they are no better than homosexuals. Everyone should have the same human rights. My Bible tells me to let people do whatever they want to as long as I told them the Gospel of Jesus Christ. God himself gives people free will so I don't care what people do. I don't know if it was bad timing on the LGBT activist in their protest but it just seems like bullying from a group of people who are always screaming tolerance.

Johnny - posted on 08/21/2012

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Mary is absolutely right. And West, since many Christians do not have a problem with homosexuality and do not feel it is their place to judge the family life of others, I can't see where critiquing this man's personal point of view is critiquing the Christian faith. This man chooses to believe that his faith must be practiced a certain way. Many Christians follow a different path. So while I may condemn his actions (in donating to organizations which support bigotry), that does not mean I condemn the Christian faith, for I know it is the action of one man and those who think like him, not the entire religion he claims to follow.

He does have every right to do as he chooses and say what he does. Hate is not illegal. Free speech is protected and as is donating to these causes. However, the right to free speech and freedom of association also extends to those who disagree with Mr. Cathy. I also have every right to condemn his comments, criticize his opinions, and never spend money at his restaurants.

Just because you equivocate Christianity with bigotry doesn't make it the truth.

Mary - posted on 08/21/2012

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West, I'm a Christian, and I don't feel any hatred directed towards me.

Of course, that could be related to the fact that I appreciate and understand that my own religious beliefs should have no bearing or influence on the laws of my country, and I have never suggested that another person or group should be subjected to my beliefs. I have never stated, nor acted in a manner which would indicate that I found any other individual or group of people deserving of lesser rights and privileges than myself. I am grateful for the freedom to believe whatever I want, and I respect other's rights to do the same.

I don't think it can be classified as "hatred" to tell others trying to force their beliefs on society through legislation that they are wrong, or that their attempts to do so are unacceptable. Nor do I think it any way infringes upon one's freedom of religion to tell them that they may live their life as they see fit, but to stay the hell out of their neighbor's business. Just because "you" may think homosexuality is a sin does not mean that homosexuals are somehow lesser citizens of any country. Personal beliefs, including those based on religion, should be completely immaterial when it comes to legal issues. They may be found lacking in the eyes of some religious institutions, but when it comes to the eyes of the government, they should be treated in the exact same manner as a heterosexual, and granted the same rights and privileges. This includes the right to marry, and have their relationships granted the same legal protections that a heterosexual couple is given.

Kristi - posted on 08/21/2012

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Karla--Mary--Johnny--Krista.



Thank you for your replies! I spent a couple, if not more, hours researching bible verses. I had my comment and it's supporting references all ready to go and my computer froze and I lost my comment. I was sooo not going to spend another shit ton of time copy and pasting all over again! lol I was reading the BBE (Bible in Basic English) version. It was much easier for me to understand and make sense out of. I wrote some of it down...one thing I found interesting is that the words gay or lesbian were not said out right. This is the verse I found about sexual immorality suggesting that being gay was a sin. I will have to go back to get Chapter and Verse (of course I didn't right that down).



"Have you not knowledge that evil-doers will have no part in the Kingdom of God? Have no false ideas about this: no on who goes after the desires of the flesh, or gives up worship to images, or is untrue when married, or is less than a man or makes wrong use of men."



So, my thoughts are that everyone who has ever had sex with more than one person is an evil-doer. Anyone who uses porn is an evil-doer. And IMO, "wrong use of men" could mean a wide range of things including, rape and pedophilia, slavery, etc. To sum things up, the enormous amount of people are evil-doers of some sort.



Which brings me to the numerous verses on forgiveness! For the sake of arguement, let's say being gay is a sin. Forgiveness is a monumental part of the Bible! Love, even moreso. So, for arguements sake, if a murderer can ask for and be granted forgiveness, surely being gay is as forgiveable. (REMINDER: this is just an arguement for those who say being gay is a sin, not that I am saying it or that I believe that to be true!)



Numbers 14:19--"May sin of this people have forgiveness, in the measure of your great mercy, as you have had mercy on them up till now."



IMO, "this people" are human beings as a whole and the desire for God to continue forgiving and having mercy on us, all humans.



A couple more I wrote down that seem fitting to the Chick-Fil-A situation:



Leviticus 19:18--"If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his neighbor is a liar."



Luke 6:31--"Do to others as you would have them do to you."



Proverbs 10:12--"Hatred stirs up dissention, but love covers all wrongs."



Mark 12:31--"The second is this, "Love thy neighbor as yourself." There is no greater commandment than these."



You think this is long, you should have seen all the stuff I copied and pasted! These verses are pretty self explainatory. IMO, love and forgiveness dominate over sin. That is sin in general. Here is my biblical, not religious, arguement for those using religion as a reason to deny civil (aka human) rights. Eh, take it or leave it...



editted for length (I know, right!) ; )

Johnny - posted on 08/20/2012

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West, Christian does NOT equal bigot. Plenty of people manage to be Christians and not be bigots. The vast majority of Christians I personally know support equal rights for all human beings and believe they are all God's children. Bigots can't hide behind a shield of religion to protect themselves. It's just another bullshit excuse to hate, and then to turn around and claim to be the real victims. No one is hating Christians, people are hating bigots.

West - posted on 08/20/2012

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How long have they been supporting the killer group and only now people care. I think people are trying to cover up being hateful towards Christians.

Karla - posted on 08/20/2012

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Mostly... What Mary said!

Bobbie, “I mean those with power or money that are for the rights of this portion of the population stir up much press by wavy the rainbow flag and getting the gay and lesbian, transgender thanking them for their support.”

Exactly… AND in so doing losing support of the Christian faction that disagrees with them; just as happened with J.C. Penny’s when they picked Ellen DeGeneres as a spokesperson. This is no different.

“Those that wish to show their support show be given the American right to do so and those who do not wish to support them to be left alone by the press. “

*The press reports on what is happening with government, business and people - I think this applies.
*Can’t the press have CEO’s and representatives with political leanings as well? Sure, they can and do. Some offer more division, and some offer more understanding.

“PRACTICING ONES BELIEFS ARE PROTECTED IN THE AMERICA, MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE THE TWO ISSUES!”

NO ONE said he couldn’t practice his faith, no one said he couldn’t talk about it.
What they are saying is that they do not want to support his actions – and by supporting his business they in turn support his actions and they refuse to do that.
(His actions being $3.8 million in donations primarily to Christian organizations including $1,000 to the Family Research Council, listed as an anti-gay “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

Refusal to patronize a business is also a right, and probably an important consideration for business owners.

Johnny - posted on 08/20/2012

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West, don't worry about your gas. Most of it comes from us folks up in Canada now and we provide equal protections under our constitution for sexual preference and have legalized gay marriage ;-P

Krista - posted on 08/20/2012

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Mary's exactly right. I couldn't give two farts in a windstorm about what anybody believes. But if they are a business owner, and they are taking the profits from their business, and directing some of those profits to organizations that are actively working to suppress other peoples' civil rights, then I will NOT patronize that business, and I will do my utmost to make sure that people are made aware of where that business' money is going, so that they can make an informed decision.

Bobbie - posted on 08/19/2012

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To Amber, that is a huge misconception. He isn't doing anything to harm, harass or otherwise deflame them. He hasn't spoken up freely to say don't be gay either! He just doesn't support the concept. He was asked and his quote was heard around the world that his faith views it as not being something he can support.

Ana - posted on 08/19/2012

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Kristi C.-

I came to this thread just to irritate you I guess... And IF the owner of Chik Fil-A supports hate groups that rally to kill, harm or harass anyone for any reason, I do not support that kind of behavior.

Bobbie - posted on 08/19/2012

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My thought is this.
The owner, being a good PRACTICING CHRISTIAN, was tight lipped on judging others and making any comments when asked, "are you for or against gay marriage?" He was NOT standing on a soap box shouting his hatred or refusal to serve that part of the population. No, rather he was asked again and again where he stood on the issue PERSONALLY. He then quoted his faith as he knows it be God's word. BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THE WORD OF HIS LORD HE DOES NOT OFFER THEM SUPPORT/ THAT IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN BEING VOCAL AGAINST THEM. He comment, guilty as charged, spoke to the fingers being poked at him that "if you ain't with us, you're against us" to which he states, when put that way, I am guilty of not being with you.
He is guilty of not supporting their causes and requests to raise funds through his business and to offer the HUGE sums of money he donates, to their cause. That is all he is guilty of.
I feel he made those comments because of his love of the Lord and his faith to speak truth, and stand up for what you believe in. I mean those with power or money that are for the rights of this portion of the population stir up much press by wavy the rainbow flag and getting the gay and lesbian, transgender thanking them for their support. As a christian I feel strongly that this is where the push should stop. Those that wish to show their support show be given the American right to do so and those who do not wish to support them to be left alone by the press.
Put simply in a silly way, JUST TO MAKE A POINT, I don't feel people should be allow to breed dogs to the point that they can't breath, having massive health problems and sinus issues because of smooshed in faces. Then the people who breed them charge a huge amount of money per pup because the birth of these dogs are so dangerous that most have to be born via c-section and the mother only carries one pup. The people who continue to breed the dogs with the most severe pushed in noses are doing so to make money from the dogs suffering. Now I don't go around spouting that people are being cruel to dogs when they have breed or have these dogs, or love the thought that every person has the right to breed and have whatever dog they want. BUT, if asked if I support the Boston Terrier breeders I would try to humbling make no comment. BUT NO one leaves it at that in this press hungry FOR OR AGAINST society. So if constantly pushed I may finally have to say, "I am guilty of not supporting them. I don't think it is natural and that the continued breeding of them is inhuman"
IF YOU LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM AND WHAT THEY DO FOR THOSE THAT FEEL THEY CAN SUPPORT I SAY THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TO QUESTION THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT GOES AGAINST THEIR FAITH.
PRACTICING ONES BELIEFS ARE PROTECTED IN THE AMERICA, MANY PEOPLE CONFUSE THE TWO ISSUES!

Kristi - posted on 08/16/2012

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Amber--

There is much more to this than some "old-fashion" coot disagreeing with a life style. I don't see a lot of senior citizens fronting hate groups like he is. The thing is, no one will ever please all of the people, all of the time. But, he didn't have to spout off about his beliefs to the nation nor does he have to pay anti-gay groups to do whatever possible to destroy the people who don't "conform." If this were about race instead of sexual orientation this entire nation would go ape shit. People are people, and we all deserve to be treated as such. When does not breaking a law mean it's ok to treat a human being like second class (if that) citizen? Nobody was breaking any laws when owning another person was legal, did that make it ok? I'm going with "no," on that one.

Just for the record, why did you bother to come in this thread if you're so sick of hearing about this?

Ana - posted on 08/15/2012

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So what, he's an old man with very old fashioned values. I don't agree with them all, but he didn't break the law.. Tell me what could he have said to make everybody happy?

People are really giving this WAYYY>> to much attention.

Who got fired? Who was harassed? What law was broken?

What I am hearing is, there is an elderly white business man, who is Christian, and doesn't believe in the Gay, Lesbian and bi-sexual, trans gender lifestyles, or divorce.

Pull the roof off 15 houses in the south of someone over the age of 60 and you will probably hear alot of the same.

If you don't want to support his business, then don't, but I'm sick of hearing about it.

P.S. I'm divorced and re-married, he doesn't agree with this, but I do and my God is not mad at me. And I will still eat there and take my children there, it's not like there are little hate scriptures on the napkins or signs on the door, Christians only....or no divorcees...please people..

Karla - posted on 08/10/2012

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His rather arrogant and closed minded statements brought his and the corporation's donation practices to the forefront. I don't know that gay support groups weren't boycotting Chick-fil-a previous to this incident or not. I do know that when a CEO spouts off controversial opinions, people listen and react. That's exactly what happened.

West - posted on 08/10/2012

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Are there even any anti divorce programs? He probably would if he knew of any. Not totally irrelevant because his statement says " we are married to our first wives" as if someone on a second marriage is better. In the bible it shuns single moms and women in general. My point is its not only gay people he is bashing and my second thing is why haven't gay people wanted to protest before his statement?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/10/2012

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Hey Chaya, thanks for introducing me to "pansexual" I had never heard of that before. I had to look it up. It is always nice to learn.

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I haven't heard anything about his being anti divorcego to great efferot to tell me if he were. There are people who would . If he takes the Bible literally, he'd hate it, as is God's instruction, but sometimes it's necessary. There are guidleines in the Bible about when to and not to divorce

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/10/2012

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Totally irrelevant West. I don't see him donating money to anti divorce programs.

West - posted on 08/10/2012

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He isn't only against gays he is also against divorce, He is against single parents but people are only focused on the gay part. I dont see divorcees or single parents getting upset.

Chaya - posted on 08/03/2012

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I happen to be a Christian, but this guy is 90% more conservative than I am. I can disapprove of one's behaviour all I wish, but it's not going to change anything. My niece forewarded an editoriial on FB, the guy who wrote it is gay, and he explained his position on it This guy explained it in such a manner that there's nothing to misunderstand or disagree with (from my point of viw)
I have never been anti gay, it does say don't do that, in the Bible, but it also says love your neighbors as yourself and judge not lest you be judged.
Forget what I think, remember the constitution: why is it okay to deny one group of people the same rights as another group of people.
My daughter is pansexual, she's my daughter, I could kick her out, but that goes against what I've taught her about education being very important. If I'm spend her entire childhood telling her that she's going to university whether she wishes to or nor, and then kick her out when she's 17, that's something wrong with me.

Lady Heather - posted on 08/03/2012

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Dude, I don't care how awesome or clean or tasty the place/food is. Once I find out that my dollars are funding that kind of shit the chicken wouldn't taste so hot. You can't boycott everything bad, but when a company takes a very public stance like this the choice is clear to me. Now that this is out they will assume that at the very least those who spend their money there don't care. They might even assume you agree with them. So then they will think their position is justified. Is the chicken really that great? Really? Can't you just pack a mini cooler with sandwiches for road trips? That's what we do when we want to avoid the crappy food. And I'm quite sure there are other places to play. I live in Butthole, BC and there are still places to play.

Just no. Anyone who would fund groups that lobby AGAINST killing homosexuals...what is that? Really? Don't condemn people for killing innocents? And apparently they aren't even ashamed of this? How could you ever give them another dime? How?

Karla - posted on 08/02/2012

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I didn't read all the posts because a few pages back I saw the circles forming and it appears everyone is just going round and round.

Mary, if I were in your shoes I might just go to the play groups, and buy as little as possible. Let your daughter have fun. If she cares when she is older you can explain your goals of offering her some social time at a reliable, clean place while still backing-off on purchases and therefore support of the corporation.

Having said this, I wish you had another option. Perhaps when the weather is nice you could go to a park, or if it's a small group take turns at one another's homes. Just a thought.

Someone may have posted this already, sorry for the repeat if that's the case. This is worth reading, by everyone.

http://www.owldolatrous.com/?p=288

~♥Little Miss - posted on 08/02/2012

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Rosie, that is the first I am hearing about that. Wholly crap. Is there a link?

Rosie - posted on 08/02/2012

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i do have to say that in my previous post, i said it was impossible to boycott every anti gay organization/business, but i found out something yesterday that made me change my mind about this particular business. dan cathy lobbied his money to support groups that would have homosexuals KILLED. not just merely wanting them to have unequal rights, he wants them dead. he's a sick twisted FUCK, and i hope he rots.

Krista - posted on 08/02/2012

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Well, you DID say that your sister knows how you feel about homosexuality, and you said further upthread that you do not support gay marriage.

So, um, you can get as butthurt and offended as you want, but the fact remains that you DO believe that your beloved sister does not deserve the same legal rights that you do, solely because she is gay.

And she might be okay with that. But it doesn't negate the fact that it IS discriminatory thinking.

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I do see that there is a difference. YOU assumed that because I am a Christian that i disapprove of people. I don't have the right to APPROVE of people. So I don't DISAPPROVE of people either. You grouped me in with some people who are bigots and felt like your disapproving ass had the right to call me a bigot too. Quite a few people on here think that just because a person follows Christ and reads the Bible that they are hateful people. I didn't go to CFA yesterday out of love for my sister and my church friends. I follow this from the Bible: Love thy neighbor. I live that out to the best of my ability every day more than I think homosexuality is wrong. Don't pretend to know me or my character ever again.

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And Stella, as I already mentioned, I honestly do not care if you are Christian or Muslim or Buddhist or Pastafarian or atheist or whatever. I don't care if your beliefs come from the Bible or the Constitution or from little green men who visit you in your sleep. If you do not believe that gays deserve the EXACT SAME LEGAL RIGHTS as straights, then you're a bigot.

You say that you love your sister and her partner, and I don't doubt that you do. Do you believe that they deserve every single legal right that you currently have, including the right to legally marry?

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Stella, there is a difference. You have a choice in the way you live your life. You have a choice in your beliefs. So if people disapprove of that, that is simply someone disapproving of your CHOICES. I'm sure that there are people who disapprove of the way I live my life. But that's fine. It's not discriminatory at all.

It is very different to disapprove of someone solely because of who they are. As I said, it would be like disapproving of EVERYBODY who is left-handed, solely because they are left-handed.

Can you not see that there is a difference there?

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Lacye, I agree with you. It is disgusting to discriminate. I made a comment that it wasn't just Bible readers who were there. If some folks thought I was an atheist and made that comment, there would be no problem. But, because I am a Christian and said it, it pissed off folks.



Krista, there are plenty of "family value" folks that do so many good things every day. But, you would'nt see it if it slapped you in the face. You just want to see the "bad". Good luck to you.

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Wow, Krista. I am not a bigot, I don't discriminate against anyone because of sexual orientation, race, whatever. You know nothing about me other than the fact that you and I disagree on some things. What a spiteful, judgemental person you are. I am a Christian who believes many things are wrong. I go to an Episcopalian church. One of our pastors is a gay man. Yes, us Christians worship and read the Bible with gay people. Yeah, real discriminatory.



How ignorant: "And secondly, "not agreeing" with homosexuality IS discriminatory." There are plenty of people who don't agree with the way I live my life or my beliefs. I would never call them discriminatory. As I have posted a few times, my older sister is a lesbian. I love her and her partner dearly and have for years. They follow no religion and sometimes are very critical of mine and others beliefs. I am not hateful to them. I do not discriminate against them or their friends. They do know how I feel about homosexuality. But, unlike you, when they say they want tolerance for all, the really mean it - not just tolerance for people who think the way they do. Freaking hypocrite.

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Stella it has nothing to do with any religion. It has everything to do with the GLBT community being discriminated against for being who they are. It's disgusting. It wouldn't matter who the person is or what they believe in.

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You know, it would be awfully nice if we saw the same number of "family values" folks lined up to help out at homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Instead, they're lining up to support a man who actively works to suppress the rights of other human beings.

Family values, indeed...

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First of all, can we please just cut the crap about the "homosexual lifestyle"? Gays have no different a "lifestyle" than straights. They simply fall in love with their own gender instead of the opposite gender. That is the ONLY difference. Other than that, they are just like you and me.

And secondly, "not agreeing" with homosexuality IS discriminatory. It is saying, "I do not approve of you, simply because of WHO YOU ARE, even though you can no more help being gay than you can help being left-handed."

I'm not saying that you don't have every right to feel that way. You do. Heck you have every right to think that people shouldn't marry outside of their race, if that's how you feel.

But you're not going to get a free pass just because your bigotry is justified by the Bible.

I'm tired as HELL of all of these religious (not just Christian) people who hold bigoted viewpoints against gays, but who are mortally offended when they're called bigots. Sorry, sweetie. You can't have it both ways. You don't want to be called a bigot? Then don't f**king BE one.

Lakota - posted on 08/02/2012

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I read Krista's clarified statement.

If people discriminate, are hateful to, and want nothing to do with someone because they are homosexual, yes, they are a bigot. But, just because Christians don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle and voice their opinion about it, doesn't make them a bigot.

No one should judge others - NO ONE. That includes the people who don't agree with the Christian beliefs. But, does that happen? No. Both sides judge and pass judgement.

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If you discriminate against the intolerance a person has, that does NOT make them a bigot? That does not make them prejudice? I thought the bible said not to judge others.

Krista clarified her statement BTW.

Lakota - posted on 08/02/2012

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The "tolerant" people are picking on Christians because they have different beliefs. Krista's comments were about the Bible readers. But, there are many groups, other than Christians, who were present at CFA yesterday all over the country. I watched on the national news yesterday the groups of Muslims who participated, groups of Buddists, non-religious people, etc. So I responded to not just pick on the the Bible readers by calling them bigots. Why would that piss you off?

Disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle doesn't make someone a bigot. Yes, there are some "Christians" who are bigots and hateful. But, the others aren't just because they don't think it is ok to be tolerant of all behavior.

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No one is picking on one group. Well, I take that back. GLBT is being targeted. We are not targeting. It is more about the ideas, and actions others are taking in order to take away others rights. A person may be prejudiced against homosexuals, and don't think they should legally be married. Should not show affection in public. Going to hell for their feelings and actions in the way they love their partner. What do you think that makes a person if not a bigot? Certainly not tolerant.

Lakota - posted on 08/02/2012

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Whoa, Little Miss, I do get that. I certainly did not call you or Krista a bigot. I didn't call anyone a bigot. I will have my beliefs, but, not hatred.



Here's my comment again. This time please read it the way it was meant.



"There was a lot of people lined up to eat CFA yesterday. I don't think they were all Bible readers. Some of the Koran readers might be offended by what you wrote. Some of them were Buddist too. So, please make sure you call them bigots also. Don't just choose one group."



Krista called some of the Bible readers bigots. All I wrote was not to pick on just one group.



So who the hell called you or Krista a bigot?

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Krista " And it is ridiculous that people seem to think that it is wrong to call out bigotry when it is backed by religion."

Well, apparently YOU are a bigot if you do.

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There was a lot of people lined up to eat CFA yesterday. I don't think they were all Bible readers. Some of the Koran readers might be offended by what you wrote. Some of them were Buddist too. So, please make sure you call them bigots also. Don't just choose one group.

Gladly. Anybody who believes that gays should not have the same legal rights as straights is a bigot. I don't care if it's backed by the Bible, the Koran, the Talmud, or Jokes for the John. I don't care if it's not even backed by a book at all. It's bigotry. Full stop. And it is ridiculous that people seem to think that it is wrong to call out bigotry when it is backed by religion.

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ANYONE that is against a group of people is a bigot. Don't you get that? Being upset that someone elses beliefs condemn others and take away human rights does not make THEM a bigot. The person who is being prejudice against one group of people for their color, sexual orientation, country IS a bigot. Acting out or speaking out with hatred against a group of people because they do not look like you, act like you, or have sex like you is prejudiced. It is showing prejudice. Sorry, but someone like me and Krista that do not have tolerance for hate like this does not make us bigots. But you don't see it like that, so you can have your beliefs and hatred. The irony that you are pointing your finger at those that do not WANT injustices, just so you can not point your finger at yourself. I don't hate Cathy, I don't hate those that hate, I just don't like their words.

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How am I out of line? Krista said "But somehow it's okay when bigotry is backed by a dusty old book... " She was referring to the Bible. She called them bigots and I'm out of line? Right. All I wrote was don't just pick on one group. The Bible readers aren't the only ones against gay marriage and aren't the only ones who support CFA.

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