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Mel - posted on 05/12/2011 ( 132 moms have responded )

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I got this by email and thought I would share it with you all if you havent already seen it. Dont know if its a debate but just caught my eye. I do totally agree with it. Thoughts?

You know by today's standards none of us was suppose to ever make it.

HIGH SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2010

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.
1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2010 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2010 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2010 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2010 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse, Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2010 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2010 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement forgraduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1957 - Ants die.
2010 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents - and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 – In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2010 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

This should hit every email inbox to show how stupid we have become!

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Marylea - posted on 05/13/2011

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I don't have the time to read everyone else's comments but this email is just stupid in my opinion. Its not funny or realistic. It makes light of serious situations and suggests that all behavioural issues can be solved with physical punishment.

Isobel - posted on 05/12/2011

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Let's pretend "Johnny" is a different kid for just a moment.

Johnny can't sit still in class and is "strapped" by his father every other night for bad grades and made fun of by all the students because of his undiagnosed ADD. Every day kids start a fist fight with him outside the school (of course nobody shakes hands with him after he gets his ass kicked this or any other time), so Johnny shows up with a gun takes it to school where he kills 12 students and then himself.

That's why we tend to frown on those things now...cause that has happened a little too often (dontcha think?)

PS...if you were to study our teenagers today I think you would find that they are more polite, more responsible and more educated than any in history. Even Socrates used to complain about how rude and out of control the kids were in his day...please.

Erin - posted on 05/12/2011

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Is this for real? Please tell me nobody is advocating for children to be whipped with a belt or justifying a child taking a gun to shool :-/

Some of these scenarios have certainly changed for the worse (6 andd 8), but the rest of the shifts are not stupid. I do not want my child being 'paddled' by anyone. I don't want her exposed to kids playing with firecrackers. And I certainly don't want her watching a fight like it's a sport.

Charlie - posted on 05/13/2011

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What do you mean by old days , they were skipping school in the 80's , 70's , 60's and having sex too , before then we come under much different times when school was a luxury not a right it wasnt available to everyone it is barely comparable .

Location of sex isnt the issue , age of the people having sex is the issue , what we know is before the 60's teen pregnancy was the norm , the 1960's was an age that is now famous for the sexual revolution , it is a point in time that signified "free love " experimentation of drugs , sex and rock and roll .......we didnt invent the youth revolt , neither did the generation after us as long as there are teens there will always be older people shaking their fists and mumbling things about " back in the day " .

Jenni - posted on 05/12/2011

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...interesting how the list doesn't mention another difference between 1950's HS and today's HS.... segregation.



Does it mention how Sally drops out in Grade 8 because there's no real prospects for her other than being a housewife and mother (not that there's anything wrong with that except when given little choice to choose because you were born with a vagina)... She goes on to marry an abusive drunk at 18. Who beats her for the next 30 or so years of marriage because she believes it's within his rights to do so. She also doesn't believe in divorce. Women didn't "talk" about those things back then, because... very little would have been done.



Or little Johnny is molested by his little league coach but doesn't tell anyone because sex is shameful. He has no clue what this man is doing to him either because he was never educated on sex.

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Stupid only because its' full of lies and inaccuracies. I specifically find the ACLU slam to be really annoying. They're not perfect but people really need to read exactly what they do do, not what people think they do.

Mel - posted on 05/15/2011

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LadyJane - you do have to be RIGHT THERE with them even then things happen under your noses. There was a sexual assault at the park right nexy to my daughters daycare they live next door to the park I mean, and people were saying why werent those parents watching the kids, it happened a few metres from the house, it was my duaghters daycare providers 3 boys and another girl from another house it happened right undeer thier noses they were out the back at the time, I think it was just behind the trees or something thats why they heard her scream. Its scary these days now she wont even let her 13 yr old play in the park when shes out the back. Its unfair that we should have to restrict our kids because of the horrible people out there now

Jenn - posted on 05/14/2011

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These quotes come to mind: "Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do you’ll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were
noble and children respected their elders."

"Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth."

I think most people like to have selective memories and only remember the good parts of the past (OK - obviously we do forget bad things too, but for the most part, it's the good that comes to mind.) so they all think that things were so much better when they were kids.

LadyJane - posted on 05/14/2011

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Where I live those actually do apply. When my daughter we little she was NOT allowed outside, especially since both neighbors on either side either sold drugs or sat out there smoking it in full view. Call the police on them and they flatten your tires and throw egg on your car and break your windows. Yes this has happened to me because I got tired of covering my childrens mouth and noses when we came home so they wouldn't have to smell that stuff so I called the police. Next morning I had no car, had to pay almost $1000 in repairs. Some parents just don't care today because their kids seem to have more rights to get them in trouble then before and a false claims of abuse are the norm if a child doesn't get their way. Where I live there are in fact quite a few parents who are now more afraid of their kids, than mine were. I'm not one of those parents, however as I do have a huge support system behind me. Children who resemble the ill-mannered, rude, violents usually belong to those parents who don't have a solid support system behind them and in some cases are NOT necessarily bad parents. But most of what I read is actually true from where I grew up, except a principal was not allowed to paddle the child without a parent's written consent on file or they'd have to get a verbal permission when they were called. That's how it was at my school when I was little. Lucky for me, I never had to deal with that, I didn't get in trouble, didn't want to disappoint my mom. Kids today are just way too independent and or rather act as much and just think their parents are only there to make sure they're fed and have clean clothes. When I went to school, teachers were more willing to help and more patient, today, most of the teachers' I've had to talk to only care about those students who are either gifted or rich. Problem is, there's not much I can do about it, I've called the board, made complaints on a few, but nothing was done.

From my point of view, life was much better when I was growing up and much safer. Today, kids can't go outside unless they live in a safe neighborhood or unless they're parents are sitting out there right with them. The government is getting way too involved in our personal lives and how we raise our kids making matters worse. Sure there are somethings that seem safer now then back then, but sure doesn't help the child when they can't do the things they used to because now it's too dangerous to do depending on where they live. If my kids wanted to play hopscotch for example, they'd have to go to my moms. We're not allowed to draw on our sidewalks, can't play in the street, cars drive like maniacs here and don't care if they hit a child or not. Can't even put a bandaid on a child you see get hurt, someone will call the police on you. I've seen this happen already and luckily I was a witness that got this parent out of trouble. Just because someone thought she was giving the child medicine instead of a fricken bandaid... ( this happened just last summer ).

So yes, it does in fact depend on where you live if those statements above ring even a little bit of truth today...

Jaime - posted on 05/13/2011

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"yep havign sex in the toilets and skipping school - done everywhere Ive been to alot of schools. Definately not done back in the old days"...you're hardly a reliable source for what was factual about the olden days Mel. We weren't even a glimmer in our parents eyes 'back then' and I can assure you that sex in washrooms and skipping school is not a 21st century phenomenon...that's just giving us way too much credit! I'll tell you what's great about kids today; they take more initiative and are far more involved in the decision-making of their future. They campaign against gun violence and drunk driving (just check out the local high schools and all the clubs dedicated to reaching out in the community...it's awesome). They take a babysitters course and CPR at the age of 13 to learn some true life skills and work toward an eventual part-time employment position which will lead in the direction of a full-time career. Teen pregnancy is splashed all over the news as an epidemic of our current and upcoming teen generation...but comprehensive sexual education is more readily available and regardless of the teenagers that ARE having sex, at least a majority of them are armed with information. And THAT makes a huge fucking difference if you ask me. I know plenty of teenagers and they are incredible. Some have grown up with a bit more of a financial advantage and some have started from the bottom, but they are ALL in school and they are all working toward becoming independent, free-thinking, stable contributers of society. The ones we focus on that paint adolescents in bad light do NOT speak for the majority so there's that theory debunked!

Mel - posted on 05/13/2011

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yep havign sex in the toilets and skipping school - done everywhere Ive been to alot of schools. Definately not done back in the old days. I know I recieved alot of that kind of pressure back in the early high school days

Charlie - posted on 05/13/2011

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EVERY generation since the start of history has said the next generation were out of control even plato had a quote about those dastardly youth of yester year IMO to complain about

I agree with you Marylea I can't help but want to bang my head on a desk reading that email .

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Hahaha i guess your right every generation thinks their teens are the worst i would assume and yet here we are :) but i beg to differ i dont think its about attitude i think it has alot to do with location. I mean i live in san antonio. on the northside ( rich side) everything is great and you have no problems with the schools or as much with the teens ( dont get me wrong money doesnt make them perfect or anything there are still bad seeds) but in the southside which is the hood, thats were you see all the drugs and sex and alcohol in schools also guns and knives. so i dont see what attitude has to do with it???

Isobel - posted on 05/13/2011

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I think it's more about attitude than location :)

Like I said, it's part of being an adult to think that the youth is going to hell in a hand basket, even Socrates thought the kids were going to be the down fall of society.

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I really do think its about location too some women are like i hardly ever see a bad seed well in some schools you hardly see any good ones!! Kids skipping school on the daily to have sex and drink and kids taking drugs at school and having sex in the bathrooms theres a lot of things that go on that a lot of parents dont even kno and its ridiculous. Shit if my daughter is trying to have sex in the bathroom at school paddle her ass!!! and call me up so i can paddle her again!

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Yep kids get away with everything these days its ridiculous. Do i think scenario 1 is a good example no cuz what ive seen, a kid brings a gun to school he intends to use it.



Scenario 2: i think the rules on fightin at school are dumb. They both get suspended?/ come on if my daughter got into a fight and didnt start it she better fight back and kick her ass and she shouldnt get in trouble for defending herself. However in this day n age kids get into a fight and it escalates with using knives/ guns and so kids die because of a simple school fight. I remember one time i was gonna get into a fight with this girl and i got a knife to take to school to protect myself and to show her a lesson. Man i remember my mom freaked out and took the knife away from me. But i wasnt playing and coulda made a really big mistake. But i get why the cops get so quickly involved so im ok with that cuz these days its not just little fight anymore.



Number 3: i think people tend to medicate to quickly just to make things easier. Its dumb. sometimes kids just need a good spanking!!! not sayin for every kid or for kids with disabilities but for the kids that are trouble makers and dont pay attention or whatever. Discipline them good so they will get the message.



Number 4: he shoulda had to pay for the wondow. Apologize to the neighbor and get spanked.



Number 5: ITS ASPIRIN!! You have to be careful to smuggle aspirin or midol to school these days cuz then youll be apart of a huge drug bust!! I mean im ok with taking precaution cuz high schools are like are like street corners i guarantee you can get whatever drug you want from a high school its so sad :(



Number 6: People sue to much. Pedro should have to retake english and everyone should get over it



Number 7: Johnny was being very unsafe and should just get punished by his parents.



Yea maybe around the area you are at its not bad and you think what im saying is crazy but when you got to other parts like the rougher parts you gotta do what you gotta do so i understand why some of the rules are more intense. But really i think parents are getting soft and kids are taking over and doing whatever they want. Thats why you hear kids beating up their parents cuz they didnt get or do something they wanted to do. And NO that is not always a result of a parent spanking their children when thye were youn and then the kids growing up and beating their parents get over that debate. Some parents just have no back bone and their kids do whatever they want. I dont agree that violence creates violence. Yea thats me tho and no arguement is gonna change my mind.



Number 8: A hug>? and all of a sudden she's a sexual predator some people really do act crazy like that and its ridiculous now teachers have to be scared to do anything these days.

Dana - posted on 05/13/2011

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Ah, yes, beating in moderation - that's the key! Glad I learned that little gem today. ;)

Jaime - posted on 05/13/2011

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Kellie, it sounds like you've had a rough go early on in life, but it sounds like you've made the choice to break the destructive cycles and that's what should be the ultimate goal of parents now. We can talk all day about the similarities and differences between 1957 and 2010 but it doesn't change the fact that evolution creates social change (among other things). We have a shit ton more information these days that clearly indentifies what didn't work back in the day and what absolutely needs to change for the better for today. It's not perfect and it will always be a work in progress, but our teenagers today are definitely not without hope for becoming well-adjusted, pro-active human beings that actually think for themselves.

Kellie - posted on 05/13/2011

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LOL WOW OMG and WTF!!!
Reading through all this is like being on a rollercoaster! I was like wow lol omg and wtf?! I want to respond to that and that and that and that and then I got to the end and was like fuuuuuck I should have taken notes along the way!
What it all boils down to for me is that I want my Daughter to grow and be safe, to be tolerant, to be happy, to NEVER experience what i've experienced in my life, to be respectful, to be respected, to be loved, to love and to be all that she can be. The only time that matters is NOW and how WE raise our children.
The reality is is that there ARE Peodophiles, Rapists, Murderers, Child Abusers (in all sense of the word) and bad bad people who ALL make the choice to spread their hate and powerlessness to others. They existed in the '50's and they exist now. It's what we do to help A) those people, yes I said HELP them. Because if we don't do anything other than lock them up or kill them (and I DO believe in the death penalty) how do we stop them from repeating their evil acts? (short summery of my life is, my parents were heroin addicts, father dead at 31 from overdose, mother dead from AIDS at 37. I have been exposed to horrible horrible people one of whom tried to kill me I was about 5 at the time. I have been molested, I have been neglected, I have been cast aside by my family as they didn't want to take responsibility for me and I have been on my own since I was 16). And B) Raise our children to be powerful (in a good way), loving beings who respect and tolerate others.
Violence CREATES Violence it does NOT stop it.
Now I've probably gone off topic *sigh*

Charlie - posted on 05/13/2011

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I dont understand the density of some peoples minds who cannot fathom that discipline DOES NOT require physical aggression .....GAH !

Sarah - posted on 05/13/2011

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Maybe one of the reasons there was less burglary back then was because people didn't have enough stuff worth stealing, maybe a bit of jewellery or cash. Today homes are a treasure trove of easy to carry gadgets.

Desiree - posted on 05/13/2011

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Sorry about that Erin. I rethought it, but anyway no I do not mean taking a belt to a child. Smacking means different things to different people. I got a couple with the shoe. Although my mom only had to start speaking portuguese for the 4 of us to go a running. She had good aim even if the slipper was soft. Also I understand her she was a single woman with 4 children to look after, she used every resource that was available to her and none of her family where much help. (Whole buch of grown up deliquents if you ask me)

Erin - posted on 05/13/2011

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Ok I see you have edited your last post. So now mine makes no sense either.

Erin - posted on 05/13/2011

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Who says smacking is the only way to teach boundaries and consequences? My child doesn't get hit, and I can assure you people love having her around.

Again, in the context of this thread we ARE talking about beating children. Read the examples again. A whipping with a belt is in a different league to a smack on the hand or bum. I am not disputing that. But by saying 'each one to his own' you are basically giving parents free reign to lay into their kids because it's none of our business and we shouldn't interfere. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.

Desiree - posted on 05/13/2011

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No Kylie not at all. I am saying that we just over do too much and climb down peoples throats because they don't believe as we do? We live in a Society of extremes.



Erin when our daughter turn our age and our daughters in law for that matter. We will be the topic of this conversation and we will be discussed and will our parenting skills. Or do you really think we won't?



Edit: Jakki do you really think a teenager has not used something small to get a way with something they don't want to do. I know of one case personally where the child accused the father of abuse and in so doing destroyed the father. By the way the accusations were untrue.

Kylie - posted on 05/13/2011

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1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal.

That constitutes a beating to me. Hitting kids with 1 meter rulers and belts..thats beating. A thousand years ago children were lower than low, hardly counted as humans. We are evolving, learning new ways to parent, research and science is helping us develop the species. We've learned better than to hit the smallest, most vulnerable in our society (well, most of us have)

Desiree are you trying to argue parents dont discipline at all now? I dont understand your point.

Erin - posted on 05/13/2011

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Desiree your post is full of assumptions.



Firstly, if a celebrity was whipping their child with a belt, I most certainly would not be ok with that.



Secondly, I think it's pretty obvious that we are referring to laying your hands or implement on a child as a form of punishment when talking about physical discipline. Getting your kid to mow the lawn, or do extra chores, as punishment is not even close to the same thing.



And thirdly, in the context of this thread we ARE talking about hitting as a way to control undesirable behaviour.

-1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling.

-Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.



Are you saying these scenarios don't involve using physical force to make a child submissive?



And lastly, I'm not even sure what you're trying to say with your second last sentence. Can you elaborate please?

Desiree - posted on 05/13/2011

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Why is it that people hear the work smack. slap, hiding, tap, and they all think that the parent is "beating" their child into submission. The funny thing is one day it will be our turn to be critisized by our children and the way we bought them up. Everything in moderation, its only this generation who screams that physical punishment is crime. Please thousands of years of bringing up kids and you are saying they were all wrong. And yet we have had some of the greatest thinkers and inventors come through. besides that physical punishment doesn't always mean a good hiding It can mean cleaning the garden or mowing the lawn. Am I now abusing my kids because even though I don't give him a hiding for hitting his sister I make him push the lawn mover around and cut our lawn, and its not a small garden either, and he is 10. I think we are a society that just has a very nasty habit of blowing things way out of proportion and over sensitive. We scream when we shouldn't and don't when we should. Dance for joy when we shouldn't. We are ok with what Hollywood and celebs do and show us, but not when our nieghbours do the same thing. It's like the saying says the rich man is excentric and the poor man is mad. What exactly is the difference?

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"and if parents coudlnt be done for child abuse for any little thing"...

but Mel, is it really true that parents are being done for child abuse for small things? I don't have statistics on it, but I would say that if a case ends up in court, it is likely to be really serious. In reality nobody cares about the little things because there are enough serious cases to keep the courts busy to overflowing.

Erin - posted on 05/12/2011

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Children and teenagers may have appeared to have more respect because of hard core physical punishment, but how many of them have grown into dysfunctional adults with a slew of mental health and emotional problems? Look around and you will see plenty of fucked up adults who were raised this way. So it may look like a quick fix (which all smacking is IMO) but there is no proof (anecdotal or otherwise) that physical punishment has any benefits beyond stopping the behaviour in the moment.

Kylie - posted on 05/12/2011

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I dont understand that point of view Mel. Beating children into submission does not create great people. If i had to belt students there is no way i would choose teaching as job. Respect is earned and it goes both ways. It's not fair to judge the "children of today" by a few bad seeds.I see great parenting and awesome kids way more than i see unruly, rude ones.

Mel - posted on 05/12/2011

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I dont know what the "right" way is to do things so dont jump on me, BUT when you look at the way our children are today, to how they were back then, all I can see is that if they did still have physical punishment in schools, kids wouldnt play up, and if parents coudlnt be done for child abuse for any little thing, then kids would have more respect also , do you see where Im coming from?

Erin - posted on 05/12/2011

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So nobody has answered my question. Do you wish society would regress to the point where children were brutalised by parents, teachers, priests and nuns as a way to keep them in line?

Mel - posted on 05/12/2011

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My MIL mentioned this email that I sent her and how true it was , I told her some of you thought otherwise, she said its more about kids and how they are raied these days that kids have little respect for thier parents letalone anybody else, and she also said how back then you didnt have to lock your house or your car. Times surely have changed. She was born in the 50s

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LMFAO!! You can only be against guns in school if you're afraid due to the mad news propaganda.

If you believe the stats are in your favor then the chances are your kid won't get shot at school, regardless. ROTFL.

Mel - posted on 05/12/2011

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I see your point about teen marriage my mums sister pregnant at 16 married because my nanna made her do that, and her daughter pregnant at 16 also and made to get married. My mums sister unfortunately died at 18 so Im not sure what would have happened with that marriage, but with her daughter the marriage was abusive and did not last.

I can see what your saying about divorce, my parents did not affect me in the slightest as a child , but Im sure if they had stayed together it also woudlnt have affected me either, personally my brother and I found thier arguments rather entertaining growing up. But yes good and bad about the different times I get that

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I don't know Kimberly... it's not so easy to sue in my country compared to the US.



@Mel- as I'm sure you can drag up tons of racial crimes in the 50's. Children having sex earlier is due to our media hype, which is unfortunate but we also have to take into consideration that people married 5-10 years earlier in 50's than we do now. Teen marriage was a common practice whereas it's very rare now. Also, shotgun weddings were the trend. You get pregnant, you get married. So being an unwed teen mom was extremely rare.



I don't think people have more divorces now because they just don't want to try hard enough. I think we are less likely to stay in a loveless or abusive marriage because there isn't as much stigma around divorce.



Now this of course comes down to personal opinion and can be a whole different debate... but IMO I think it can be just as detrimental for the kids when their parents to stay in a loveless marriage. To me, that's teaching the children that it's ok to stay with someone even if you are unhappy with them. Personally, that is not the message I would want to teach my children. Of course divorce in itself is harmful to children but I believe both routes can be equally damaging in their own right.



Anyways, all I'm really trying to say is... the 50's had his merits and it's demerits as does the '00's. Things are different... but that doesn't mean one era is any better or worse than the other. As Cathy pointed out... the contemporary scenerio's in the OT are extremely exaggerated.



It appears the writer is stroking his ego over his notion that "back in my day..... we blah blah blah and we walked a 20 miles to school in 5 feet of snow in a hat and scarf our mother knitted for us while she endured 72 hours of labour... Kids nowadays are all lazy, good-fer-nuffins!"

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no but i do have to say this is the world that a headstart kid can get suspended because they made a rule that no child is allowed to touch any one at any time. this is the world that they are trying to pass laws in certain ares where kids cant play outside. where a buglar can sue you and win if he gets injured while robbing your house.

Mel - posted on 05/12/2011

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yes those things werent told about back then Jennifer I know and it is sad. Alot of the older generation still dont believe those things are to be spoken about. My nanna knew I was being abused but she wasnt going to say anything, much like I told my mum at a young age but she chose to just ignore it, so yes I agree in that sense things are better now, but things like that are still exploited kids run around school accusing teachers of molestation or what not, god Ive been to very upper class schools and Ive been to lower class schools it happened everywhere rumours get spread just for the hell of it, and girls sleep around in todays world. The age girls start having sex keeps getting younger. I think with regards to the divorce thing sometimes yes it would have been warranted but in other cases, people dont want to work out thier problems and give up too easily, thier vows mean nothing to them (I cant talk separated after 2 months lol) but its just the way the world is that people dont tend to stay together anymore.

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Mel, get a grip, I wasn't even referring to you. I was speaking in a general sense and in general about the OP.

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oh yeah Dana of course I posted this as an accuse for hitting my kids, right. Got to love those people who like to throw in things that aren't even relevent.

Kylie - posted on 05/12/2011

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I dont agree with this price of writing, talk about a bias exaggeration and i agree with Jodi , kids are safer than ever. My kids play in the front yard and on the street with other kids who live on the street.

Kimberly - posted on 05/12/2011

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i remember days that a kid brought guns and kept them in there truck during hunting season, it was in my sixth grade, it became banned that year. and i was put in ridolin because i failed math class i had add according to the school. i dont have add, i am dislexic. and i know way to many kids that still get suspended for taking asprin with out the nurse or parent giving it to them.

Kimberly - posted on 05/12/2011

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oh i totally agree with everything. i mean i am now scared to let my kid cry for any longer than a minute cause i could be called in for neglect. i have people from that era telling me i dont let him cry enough to build up his lungs and teach him not to be spoiled lol. i have a mandating reporter who calls the cops for a mom yelling at her kids as the child is calling her a crazy bitch. back then they would get a slap in the face they would then realize not to say those things again and be a happier family lol.

Stifler's - posted on 05/12/2011

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Plus I agree with Jaime Lee Burns, it's the media which is out of control making mountains out of molehills. Bad things happened in 1957.

Isobel - posted on 05/12/2011

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I think my point is simply this...feeling secure is a CHOICE. A choice to read the statistics instead of falling victim to the fear-mongering in the media.

Sure, there are a few of us who may live in areas where it's not safe to let children play (and it's ALWAYS been that way) but the VAST majority of us SHOULD feel confident that the world indeed, is a safer place than it was 50 years ago.

The world has not gone to hell in a hand basket since we (generally) stopped "strapping" our kids and letting them carry guns and have fist fights in the school ground.

America3437 - posted on 05/12/2011

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@Mary, your not the first to disagree with me nor will you be the last! My kids are not bullied nor do they fear me! Thank you for making that assumption though! I believe that if my children need spanked then they will get it and it is thanks to people like you that they(kids) feel it's ok to report an honest ass whippin!!! This is why the kids who are truley abused can"t get the help they need. Too many people feel it necessary to report you every time you disapline your children in a way that they don't agree with.

Desiree - posted on 05/12/2011

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Thank you for saying that Esther. Make no mistake it is an incredible country only right now at this very moment in time not a very sensible one. Don't get me wrong I love my country I was born here, It can be incredible and can be united look at the world cup last year. Pity that right now it is more confused than ever before and the crime currently is out of control. And there are far too many politicians too many parties and no unity.

Jenn - posted on 05/12/2011

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Doesn't every generation say the same damn thing? "Kids these days" There are things that they do differently from one generation to the next, but they all have their thing. Remember when adults thought the kids were all evil because they listened to rock and roll? LMAO!! I don't live in fear and my kids play outside. The world is full of all kinds of good and bad - always has been - always will be - deal with it.

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Just for the record - if there was one country in the world I would want to live in, if only I felt it was safe, it is South Africa. My husband and I spent a month traveling around South Africa in 2000 (he proposed to me there) and I did A LOT of reading about South Africa (yes, a lot about Apartheid as well, but also the general history of the country) and I think it's the most amazing place on earth (granted, I haven't been to every country on earth, but from the places I have seen, South Africa easily ranks #1 in my book).

Desiree - posted on 05/12/2011

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Dana I don't mind making your case for you at all actually. Safety is relative to where you are, is it not?



Edit: Come to think of it you are talking only from your point of view living in the USA. I can only imagine what they say about what is said about the rest of the world.

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