China's one child policy

Charlie - posted on 09/04/2009 ( 19 moms have responded )

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30 years ago when China made it illegal to have more than one child , these rules are swayed for the rich and those who have a girl as afirst child can often be granted a second if it is to be a boy , no one predicted that it would lead to 40 million men facing the prospect of permanent bachelorhood .But a severe shortage of women in rural area's -mostly brought about by a couples desire to have a boy to help work the land , is just one of the by products of China's decision to reduce the countries population .
Statistically boys outnumber girls 3:2
In remote part's of China , so called " abortion squad's " forcibly terminate pregnancies of women who already have a child , strapping them to hospital bed's and injecting them with unknown chemicals to induce birth .
On a rare disclosure on July 30 , China's media reported 13 million abortions were carried out in 2008 .
The female shortage has also seen a revival of kidnapping women to serve as brides .
Thousands of families whose little girls have been snatched off the streets .
Police pay little attention .
Between 2000 and 3000 children and young women are kidnapped each year .
Parents wander the streets pinning photo's of their child to poles with rewards of up to 12000 dollars only to have it torn down by police , it is not only largely ignored buy their own police and media but also the world's media .
Where images of little Madeline McCann , thought to have been kidnapped in portugal have been splashed around the world with large sums of money up for offer , over 2 1/2 years , these daughters of china are forgotten by all but their parents in days .
Another side effect is " little emperor syndrome " .
With only one ( usually a son ) child in the family and double incomes there is a whole generation of children over indulged and cosseted by parents , a whole industry now caters to these children from ballet , art and salsa lessons to extra curricular maths, english and science classes .
These children will never have siblings and fewer chances at marriage , they are burdened with a far higher expectation than their parents ever faced , parents spend up to $1000 a month on extra classes alone .
China claims the policy has resulted in 400 million fewer births since 1979 yet the country is still home to 1.3 billion people ( 20 % of the worlds total ).

I am guessing majority would be shocked by this but is the decision to cut down the population a wise move in a rapidly growing country as unfair as it is to the families and children affected ?, is it giving our environment what little left of breathing space back if only for a brief moment ?
or should China be allowed the same rights as the rest of the world and give birth to as many children as they like ?

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Johnny - posted on 09/05/2009

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If we want to save our planet, we will all limit the number of children we have. It is probably one of the most simplistic answers to a highly complex issue, but the math works. That being said, I personally think people should demonstrate that responsibility of their own volition, I think "there is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation." (to quote a Canadian Prime Minister) The Chinese government policy may have been routed in avoiding famine and disaster, but it's implementation has been rife with corruption and poorly conceived thinking.



We all should have the right to have as many children as we choose. I would just hope that people would consider the consequences first. Many don't, and for selfish reasons. If we care for our children, we should act more stridently to protect their futures. And that includes handing over a planet that is better than the one we inherited, rather hard to do if we clog it up with too many mouths to feed and bodies to clothe.

Charlie - posted on 09/06/2009

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We were once told in class that if the population of China walked into the sea , it would be infinite as there rate of birth was so high .
I think a more effective tool against overpopulation is EDUCATION !! if it were readily available to the poorer people of China they may have less of a problem .
My Nanna worked for UN , she went all around the world teaching Poorer countries about the issues that arise when you have more then 10 mouths to feed not only financially but the impact on environment , she spoke to them about birth control , something most of them had never heard about !
FREEDOM , EDUCATION AND MODERN MEDICINE / BIRTH CONTROL .
these are all things EVERYONE should have access to .

Jodi - posted on 09/06/2009

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Oh, shoot, I'd better edit my post to clear that one up....I just re-read it and it scared me too, LOL. That's exactly the story I was referring to I think.



Abortion is not illegal here, but it is state based. Where I am, abortion has been decriminilised, but that doesn't mean it is legal :)

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Amie - posted on 09/06/2009

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More people need to read Jo's thread on Open to Interpretation.

Sara Thank you for posting a complete view of the book. Obviously some people have trouble understanding fact checking. I have not read the book but I do know Sara is not a liar nor does she just spew crap she finds online.

As for China, it's a horrifying thing to think about but their population is out of control. The way they handled it though is completely out of hand. Walk down Vancouver streets here in Canada and you will see, literally, thousands of immigrants here to get away from the regime (not sure if that's the right word but it's what came to mind) over there. So it didn't really fix their population crisis, it just made more problems. Along with the horrors going on over there many are emigrating to other nations so they can keep all their children and be safe.

Dawn - posted on 09/06/2009

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Thanks Kelly for saving the time of posting a video. Yes this is why I have a problem with the Obama worshiping media. This kind of stuff folks need to pay attention them and their issues. I really hate to say this, cause I shouldn't have too, but the media has become very Left. You don't hear about what this folks believe in. If you don't believe me. Well where is the every day update on how many have died in the wars?? Where is all the protesters. I can go on but it would take away from the subject.

Sara - posted on 09/06/2009

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Glenn Beck can suck my balls. All I can say about the above video is "Give me a fucking break".

But with regards to the claim that Holdren "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population," the text of the book clearly does not support that. A thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. THEY WERE NOT POSED AS SUGGESTIONS OR PROPOSALS. In fact, the authors make clear that they did not support coercive means of population control. Certainly, nowhere in the book do the authors advocate for forced abortions.

Some have argued that Holdren's view of the imminent and grave global dangers posed by overpopulation should provide pause, given Holdren's current view that global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers. That's a matter for reasoned debate.


But in seeking to score points for a political argument, a lot of people have seriously mischaracterized Holdren's positions. Holdren didn't advocate those ideas then. And, when asked at a Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he did not support them now. It's irresponsible to pluck a few lines from a 1,000-page, 30-year-old textbook, and then present them out of context to dismiss Holdren's long and distinguished career.

As far as China is concerned, that is a horrible situation, but it's how they've chosen to run their gov't. They are now seeing the ill effects of incredibly irresponsible policies...but they aren't the first to try to employ it, nor will they be the last sadly. It didn't work in Romania either, but at least they had a revolution and then strung up the dictator on national television.

Kelly - posted on 09/06/2009

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What Dawn said was that Obama's Science Czar believed in forced abortion and mass sterilization...... You are who you associate with right? If these are the people that Obama is surrounding himself with, then they must have like beliefs. Holdren published a book in '77 about population reduction. Like Ayers, Jones, and many of Obama's other buddies, Holdren hasn't changed his position in the years since publication. They are left wing radicals. If some right wing extremist suggested that we institute sterilization in black and hispanic communities to lower crime rates, there would be a HUGE uproar. So why is no one paying attention? This is somewhat off topic, but China basically proved that Government intervention in people's personal lives doesn't work, it pushes them to desperation and lower moral values.

Lindsay - posted on 09/06/2009

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I think it is absolutely discusting the way that China controlls the children being born into the country. We have a very special little girl in our family that was adopted from China but she was one of the lucky ones. I'd say making it through the pregnancy and keeping it a secret is only the beginning of the battle for these little girls (boys also but much more so, girls). I'll share a little of her story with you. This is mostly assumed by the orphanage because there was never contact with Grace's biological mother. It was assumed that her mother hid her pregnancy and had a home birth to help save the life of her daughter. Our Grace was found on a busy street in China beside a bridge. She was wrapped in blankets and placed in a backpack for someone to find her. Her umbilical cord was still very "fresh" when she was found by a local and taken to the orphanage where she resided nearly 10 months until my aunt and uncle were able to adopt her. They were not able to visit the orphanage and instead were sent to a 5 star hotel 10 hours away while she had to travel by train with an unknown woman to get to them. Her head was shaved with a razor to keep the head lice away. And her mobile skills were not as developed as they should have been. This was more than likely to due excessive time strapped to the potty chair and just lack of time out of her crib. She has thrived since the adoption!

I know this was off subject but I just try to get of feel of what life is really like for these children. And I can't imagine the anguish these mother's feel that are forced to abort.

Jodi - posted on 09/06/2009

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Amen, Sharon :). I wouldn't choose an abortion for myself, but I'd never advocate forced abortion, and at the same time, if my children (or anyone else) chose this for themselves, I'd never condemn them for it either.



But personally, I am interested to see the back up facts to this comment......I think we will find it is propoganda.

Sharon - posted on 09/06/2009

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As for Obama forcing abortions on women.... If my kids are grown I will march on the capitol of my state myself, gun in hand and honest to god shoot our lawmakers.



No one tells me what to do with my body - I am prochoice- I never want to have an abortion but that is my choice and another woman's choice. Not the government.

Sharon - posted on 09/06/2009

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Dang Jodi you had me scared. I thought you meant australia was forcing an abortion on a woman.



Instead I found a story about a chinese minority woman being held for a forced abortion. Back in Nov. 2008.



Is abortion illegal in Australia? I found a petition trying to legalise abortion there.

Jodi - posted on 09/06/2009

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Quoting Dawn:

Well guess what folks, its already being considered for us, Obama's Science Czar has been talking about this even before he came on board with Obama. You can find his speaking on the subject on YouTube. He wants to do force abortions and mass sterilization. All in the name of save the planet.

What gets me is Obama said to look to the people that I have suround me with. Will we have an man who wants to force abortion and do mass sterilzation, another Van Jones, who thank God is now quiting. But is a self proclaim commie, and white hater,(another thing to watch him speek on YouTube) he believes that farmers spray the crops when the pickers are in the fields. Which is so not true, I've lived in farm country and have farmers as family and friends. But he also says that the White Poisoners are putting poison into the black neighborhoods. Ok starting to go off topic. But if this is just an example of two and I can get more info later (got a baby waking up) What does this tell us about where Obama's prioritys are for this country. I so was hoping Hilary would win the Dem. elections. *sigh* well, what 3 1/2 more years left of this. Keep your eyes and ears open and watch out for our nation.



Dawn, you are joking, right???  I assume you have a link to show that Obama is suggesting forced abortions and mass sterilization as a solution???  Don't you think a society such as the US (and many other major Western societies) would rather contribute funds for assistance in sterilisation for many 3rd world coutries than to force it in our own?  There are probably many couples in such countries that would like to be sterilised but don't because the immediate cost of doing so is prohibitive. 

Jodi - posted on 09/06/2009

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I actually really struggle with this one. I read an article some months ago about a mother in China who was being held in hospital and forced to have an abortion at 26 weeks......in this country a 26 week pregnancy would be viable (risky but viable), so I feel like this sort of policy leads to murder. And realistically, this is just one case - imagine how many murders it really leads to? In a society which highly esteems male children (and many societies do, even our own if we were all honest about it), it is a policy that was bound to have problems. From what I have read, sex crimes have become a major issue due to the dominance of male children, and as these boys grow into men, with normal make urges, it is really becoming an issue within society.



I am not a fan of abortion - I'd never do it myself, although I am pro-choice - I'd never condemn anyone for choosing abortion for their own situation. I do see why China (and many nations) needs to limit the population, but not the way they have done it.



What strikes me as absolutely ironic is the fact that we have the Australian government PAYING us to have more babies (and sorry, I'm not having any more - we have mad our contribution, LOL), but they have so much red tape over adopting these children (such as the little Chinese girls in orphanages while their parents try for a boy). In this country, they WANT us to have more children to assist the future economy.



Interesting debate Loureen. I could go on forever about this one :)



Edited: To make sure I made it clear it was a forced abortion in China!

Dawn - posted on 09/06/2009

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Well guess what folks, its already being considered for us, Obama's Science Czar has been talking about this even before he came on board with Obama. You can find his speaking on the subject on YouTube. He wants to do force abortions and mass sterilization. All in the name of save the planet.



What gets me is Obama said to look to the people that I have suround me with. Will we have an man who wants to force abortion and do mass sterilzation, another Van Jones, who thank God is now quiting. But is a self proclaim commie, and white hater,(another thing to watch him speek on YouTube) he believes that farmers spray the crops when the pickers are in the fields. Which is so not true, I've lived in farm country and have farmers as family and friends. But he also says that the White Poisoners are putting poison into the black neighborhoods. Ok starting to go off topic. But if this is just an example of two and I can get more info later (got a baby waking up) What does this tell us about where Obama's prioritys are for this country. I so was hoping Hilary would win the Dem. elections. *sigh* well, what 3 1/2 more years left of this. Keep your eyes and ears open and watch out for our nation.

Jenny - posted on 09/05/2009

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Are they allowed to adopt a second child in China?



I agree with the policy in theory as well but am not comfortable with regulating what humans do with their bodies. I wish the media would stop celebrating large families and the Pope would get on board with promoting birth control. I think there are other ways to decrease population growth that aren't quite so invasive.



It is just so incredibly sad what some of these Chinese families are going through and because their government is so secretive we really don't understand the full scope of it. Althought the world is so scared of China that even if we did, we wouldn't do anything about it.

Jocelyn - posted on 09/05/2009

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I can see both sides. I do agree that no one should be told how many kids they can or cannot have, or that women should be forced to have abortions. But that being said, I think the policy "in theory" isn't all bad.
I agree with what Carol said, about people needing to show their own responsibility. The world is grossly over populated, and imo, if you want to have 15 kids, why not adopt? (and i know that's not feasible for many ppl with adoptions costing 25 grand... but that's another issue) but in a perfect world everyone would understand the affect that overpopulation is having on the earth.

Sharon - posted on 09/05/2009

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is the decision to cut down the population a wise move in a rapidly growing country as unfair as it is to the families and children affected ?,



I'm trying to understand this question. Its never wise to try & control your citizens in the way china is/has.



is it giving our environment what little left of breathing space back if only for a brief moment ?



No what the missing children don't use up in natural resources, the spoiled children get.



or should China be allowed the same rights as the rest of the world and give birth to as many children as they like ?



China is doing things ass backwards. Otherwise girl children would be as celebrated as boys. Eventually this one child rule is going to bite them in the ass. It already is and its going to get worse.



I've read about chinas missing children and the thriving sex market there, its horrifically sad and terrifying.

ME - posted on 09/05/2009

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I agree with Carol...I see what they were getting at, but it clearly shouldn't have been done. This is why people in the US need to continue to fight for our reproductive rights...when the government starts dictating who can and or HAS to have children...things tend to go terribly wrong!

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If a daughter is born first, the send them off to those orphanages where children are strapped to seats for the day with a bucket under their seats, new born babies are tied to their tables. Some are put into a dark room while a "career" will come in and check on a unregular basis to see if the child is dead yet.

Here's the link, hopefully its still up on youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=B94trCVCrlo

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