Christian TA stops reading Harry Potter

Tracey - posted on 10/31/2010 ( 85 moms have responded )

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A Christian Teaching Assistant who's job includes listening to children (age 6 - 7) read has refused to listen to children reading Harry Potter as it is "witchcraft" and offensive to her religion.
Is this a load of codswallop or does she have a valid point? Surely most children's stories include an element of magic (Cinderella's fairy godmother, Aladdin's genie etc), should she stop listening to all fairy tales?
Personally if my kids had been able to read and understand Harry Potter at this age I would have been proud of them.
Thoughts?

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JuLeah - posted on 10/31/2010

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When a person self titles Christian (anything) a red flag goes up. The folks I know who fall into this, stop thinking for themselves. Espically the self titled 'God fearing' Christians
I have had so many conversations with folks like this who say, "Well preacher said we will be voting for ...." or "Brother whatever said we don't like ..."
I had a realitive fall into this and she simply turned off her brain - she never again had an orginal thought, but felt, thought, believed, voted, lived as her preacher told her to. She was very outspoken about Harry Potter - said it was the work of the devil
Religions like this have their place, a person doesn't have to be accountable for anything (they do what preacher tells them) they don't have to struggle with moral ethical issues as the rest of us do (they live in a world of black/white right/wrong) and another person tells them which is which ..... I personally think it is a cowards way of living .... but I also know you can't reason with a person such as this - fear dominates their life, or they would not have fallen into this thinking trap, and when fear dominates, logic has no place - And, but Harry Potter will do okay with out them and JK will also make out fine :)

Amie - posted on 11/02/2010

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Does she work in a Christian school? I doubt it since they are allowing Harry Potter.

I get tired of PUBLIC servants complaining about their religious rights. You are a PUBLIC servant, which means you serve the public. All of them, regardless of race, color or creed. If you can not do that, find another job.

And yes, a lot of children books contain some element of magic.

Johnny - posted on 11/02/2010

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If her job requires her to listen to children reading books, then that's what she should do. I don't believe in the bible, but if it was my job to listen to children read literature, then I would have no problem with it at all. I also don't believe in magic either, but very much enjoyed the Harry Potter series. However, if I was required to teach the bible or Harry Potter as truth, well, then I'd find a new job. If she can't understand the difference between reading fiction and worshiping a religious idea, then she needs some more education herself. She's probably not fit to be teaching kids. If she can not perform the duties expected in her position, she should be terminated.

Everyone is free to hold their own beliefs. But we are not free to drag those into our workplace and disrupt its activities. Where would we draw the line? Would a Christian fire fighter not be obligated to save a witch from her burning home? Could an atheist doctor refuse to allow a priest to perform last rites while he is trying to save a patient's life?

Heather - posted on 11/02/2010

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I went to a Catholic High School and they didn't have any problem with the Harry Potter books. We all read them...then again, we also read Slaughterhouse 5 as part of the cirriculum so...I guess you have to chalk that one up to literature being just that, something to read. Books have no power unless you give them power. Burning and banning them are the fastest ways to say "This book is powerful and dangerous"....And all the little kiddies go out and read it(adults too). ;)

Heather - posted on 11/01/2010

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It is religious intolerance...by the TA. She's refusing to listen to anything that doesn't correlate with what she thinks is her religion. No one is forcing her to read or believe what Harry Potter says. They asked her to listen to a child read and make sure they were pronouncing words correctly and following the grammatical speach patterns of the text. Frankly, that childs parents are in charge of what the child's reading and it's not the teacher's place to impose their religion on others. I'm sorry she's deluded into believing that Harry Potter is evil and goes against her "religion", but I'm a Christian too and I think she's being RIDIKULOUS!(pun intended) :D

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April - posted on 11/04/2010

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Then I must be Pagan too. I always say that "God" is the grass, the sky, the trees, and the flowers. In essence, mother nature is "God" to me. Is that Pagan?

Desiree - posted on 11/03/2010

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It's funny just how often this topis comes up. When I was a kid, there was the back playing of records to hear the evil messages. I must have been around 13 at the time. Then again in high school my Afrikaans teacher set us a topic on Magic. All the kids mothers freaked out and wouldn't let them do the homework. Mine on the other hand forced me to complete the work telling me that Knowledge didn't occupy space only stupity does. Needless to say I was the only child to complete the work. But I never forgot that an open mind leads you to places you never thought you could go, the ability to understand more, and read into situations is better. We are not race horses who only see whats in front of them and nothing to the sides. Life is not like that.

Jodi - posted on 11/03/2010

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April, here's a few definitions from off the web:

Definitions of pagan on the Web:

•heathen: a person who does not acknowledge your god
•a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
•hedonist: someone motivated by desires for sensual pleasures
•heathen: not acknowledging the God of Christianity and Judaism and Islam

Stifler's - posted on 11/03/2010

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I don't really get the whole thing though. Are these kids seriously reading the whole Harry Potter book to the TA? I got frustrated with other kids shit reading AS A KID let alone having to hear kids attempts at pronouncing Hermione.

Johnny - posted on 11/03/2010

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Those letters are priceless. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone who believes in such drivel to be teaching my kid. I want her smarter, not "stupider".

Lucy - posted on 11/03/2010

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Yep, I bet that when the devil takes over we'll all be getting neck massages at our desks and interacting sensitively with others ALL the time. Abominable!

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My favourite part of that ex-witch letter is: "In the adult world, corporations are hiring New Age practitioners to provide seminars in sensitivity training, stress relief, and self improvement for employees." Oh noes, how horrible! We're all doomed (and witches, evidently).

Lucy - posted on 11/03/2010

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As a Pagan, that site gave me a good giggle Cathy!

It just goes to show that there are over zealous nut jobs in every religion, and we shouldn't judge all followers of a religion by the few. The woman who wrote the stuff in your link is clearly just the type to become extreme in anything she believes. She is certainly an hysterically over zealous Christian, and it sounds like the same could be said for her back when she was a Pagan.

I notice the site in your link was posted a few years ago- I wonder whether she is working as a TA these days? ;P

Heather - posted on 11/02/2010

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I was in Catholic School 14 years ago now, and we read some pretty controversial books as part of the cirriculum. Maybe I went to a progressive catholic school(I'm not catholic), but there was never any hint that any literature(with the exception of pornography) was frowned upon. I guess it just depends on where you are.

Jodi - posted on 11/02/2010

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Heather, having attended Catholic school for 9 years, k-8, I can tell you first hand, Catholic Schools can (and some do) put serious limitations on what is allowed for literature. Being rebellious (and Agnostic, I just didnt' know it at that time) I once did a report on an article about the theory of evolution. I was given a failing grade but also given the opportunity to re-write my report...but only if I made counter claims to why the theory is flawed using the Bible, specifically the story of Adam and Eve as "evidence".
They can't tell a child what they can and can't read for their own entertainment outside of the classroom, but they certainly can put limitations on what is allowable for in class work.
Granted, my experience is now about 15 years old, but strict Roman Catholic rules still apply all over the place.

Johnny - posted on 11/02/2010

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I wouldn't Heather, that's the point. The same question could be asked of the TA in the OP. If she holds religious beliefs at odds with the curriculum, why is she in that job? I'm certain she signed a contract as well, she should follow it or quit.

Stifler's - posted on 11/02/2010

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My teacher read us Harry Potter when I was at school. The issue people have with it and not other stories of witchcraft is that it allegedly has elements of real witchcraft and real spells in the books. Allegedly. I don't agree I just remember it being in the news.

Heather - posted on 11/02/2010

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I guess I'd have to wonder why you'd want to work in a Christian School as an atheist....but no, if you signed a contract to teach the curriculum, then you don't have the right to religiously object to it.

Johnny - posted on 11/02/2010

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Your post just made me think of another point. As an atheist, if I was employed by a Christian school, should I have the right to refuse to teach the bible as truth because I have religious freedom?

Heather - posted on 11/02/2010

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Actually I pointed out that it IS allowed in Catholic School. They have no problem allowing Harry Potter in literature class. As a matter of fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a school, secular or religious, that banns the books.

Jodi - posted on 11/02/2010

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Emma, her job isn't to read TO the children. The children pick stories that pique their interests, read it aloud to her. Her job is to listen, correct mispronunciations, sounding out large words, defining words a child is unfamiliar with etc etc etc. If she was the one reading then yes, I would say she has every right just pick a different book...but the kids are picking books THEY like to read. She doesn't have to like the stories...but if it's her job to listen to kids read then that's what she needs to do and she isn't fulfilling her obligations by refusing. Unless of course, as someone else pointed out, it's a catholic school in which these books go against curriculum anyways.

Stifler's - posted on 11/02/2010

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I don't see the big hoo har. It's one book, she shouldn't have to read it if she has an objection. They can find another book out of the thousands of books out there to read to the kids.

Amie - posted on 11/02/2010

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"I went to a Catholic High School and they didn't have any problem with the Harry Potter books."

Heather brings something to my attention. THere are some christian schools that allow the books. Which then means they have been approved by the school and board. If it does happen to be a Christian school (does anyone have a link to the actual story btw?) would she not then get in trouble anyway for not following the curriculm?

Amie - posted on 11/02/2010

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"Harry Potter isn't a religion."

Obviously the parents who are ok with their children reading this, have differing religious beliefs that the TA's. Which was the point. If she can not respect other people in their beliefs, she should not be working as a public servant. I don't agree with any public servant saying no based on their religion, I don't care what the circumstances are. If you can not serve the entire public as a whole, find another job.

Krista - posted on 11/02/2010

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Is there such a thing as realistic magic? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

Cyndel - posted on 11/02/2010

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I think it is silly, but she has a right to her beliefs and choices. I think Harry Potter is a modern fairytale. The magic is totally bogus, unrealistic. If my child is mature enough to realize that then I won't have a problem with them reading it. The only thing I have problems with is that Harry Potter gets off so often with breaking the rules. By the way, I'm a Jesus loving, bible toting, worshiping, dancing Christian who is unashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ!!!!!

Krista - posted on 11/02/2010

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I also think the teacher is being ridiculous. If a 6-7 year old is advanced enough to be reading Harry Potter, then that child should be encouraged, not dissuaded.

We used to do that when I was in grade 2, and I read the story "Balto". The funny thing was that at the end of the story, the hero falls to his knees in front of his dog and says, "Balto, you damn fine dog!" This was in the Childcraft books, and nobody thought to edit it out. I read it out loud in class, and nobody raised an eyebrow.

In this day and age, Childcraft would have been sued and I probably would have been suspended.

Jodi - posted on 11/01/2010

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Well, I think she has the right to not listen to that book be read if she truly finds it offensive...but she should do so tactfully and make sure there is another TA who WILL listen to the child read his/her book of choice. Do I think she's a little ludicrous in her claim? Hell yeah! Like the OP and others have stated, if she won't tolerate HP, then she certainly should not be listening to or watching anything Disney and Lord only knows how many other books (and movies) that are both children's and adult's related!
I personally find nothing wrong with HP or any other movie or book with magic in it, witchcraft, supernatural stuff etc etc etc, but it is her right to dissaprove of it, but it's certainly something she should have thought of before taking the position...and something the school should screen for in the future. Someone who is listening, helping and encouraging children to read should not be judgemental or closeminded, they should tolerate anything a child finds interesting (within reason of course, a 6-7 year old should not be reading a porn story or a slasher novel) so as to inspire and encourage them to develop a love of reading.

Jane - posted on 11/01/2010

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JK Rowlings is in good company. Here's a GREAT site to see the most popular banned books. http://www.ala.org/ala/issuesadvocacy/ba...

I think this TA is being ridiculous BUT as long as she's not reading or watching The Wizard of Oz, ANY Disney book, The Cronicles of Narnia, etc., then that's fine. HOWEVER, I have a feeling that is not the case so based on that, I think she's just plain ignorant.

Stifler's - posted on 11/01/2010

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This all sounds like religious intolerance to me. She has the right to refuse to read Harry Potter.

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Ah right sorry I interpreted what you said wrongly! Here in public schools they are allowed to do that regardless of whether the school is a faith school or not =]

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But honestly how would you know if a child was reading it in the context of worship?!? You wouldn't.

Sara - posted on 11/01/2010

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"Alison, as far as I know, religious texts can be read at public schools. So I don't think that would fly."

Religious texts can absolutely be read in public schools for the purpose of an example of literature. They cannot be read in the context of worship.

Tracey - posted on 11/01/2010

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I didn't start this with any disrespect towards Christians, the TA was the one who stood up and said she wouldn't / couldn't do part of her job due to her being Christian, and yes children are allowed to read bible stories as long as the text is age and developmentally appropriate, in my school any way, we also have children's stories from other religions and cultures.

Desiree - posted on 11/01/2010

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Here is something my mom taught me growing up. How do you stop something when you don't have a clue as to what you are looking for. that goes for everything. For instance how do you know that the cat will scratch you if you have never been near one. You don't this is why being open minded is so important if you know a little its the step to protecting yourself against other dangers in Life. Witchcrraft is just one of those elements. Other belief systems is another. You can live a life unexposed and it will get you nowhere and no body likes closed minded fools, who think they know everything and end up knowing sweet nothing. It also creates lunatic fringes who bend for nothing and no-one, and do really stupid things all for the sake of ignorance.

Sara - posted on 11/01/2010

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I have had this conversation with people in real life who believe that HP endorses witchcraft or whatever, I think it's complete BS. Your children know, or should know, the difference between fiction and real life. And you know what, encouraging imagination is a GOOD thing. The HP series is excellent, and most of the time people who think it's bad have never read it. That's ridiculous, IMO.

April - posted on 11/01/2010

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if she's trying to get a job beyond teaching assistant...i really think she is hurting her chances of advancing her career. as many of you pointed out, banning HP also means banning a lot of other stories. It reflects poorly on her because it suggests that she may not know/understand as much about literature as she should for someone in her profession.

Desiree - posted on 11/01/2010

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Firstly i would like to know what mother allows her child of 6 or 7 to read Harry Potter. i have nothing against harry Potter at all I just feel 6 and 7 years olds are far to young to be reading never mind watching Harry Potter. my children are reading it but then again they are 11 and 12 respectively.



I would like to why these people always feel offended by so called "Magic" everything in life has an element of the supernatural. Even Christianity, think about it everything about our belief system is based on just that Belief. The word miracle can be used to describe magic in a different form. We can't eat it, we can't hear it, we can't see it, we can't feel it, we can't smell it.

Its people who can't tell the difference between two world and can't understand it that are the worst trouble makers.



Why do we have to make other peoples lives so difficult just because some of us are intolerant enough not to open our minds to the possiblities in life. Think of it this way we as mothers see the most incredible magic everyday of our lives and its our kids who show it to us. In their smiles, their laughter, everytime they call us mommy, when they tell us a story from their perspective. The joy of being a mom is completely magical in its own right. magic is just a word used to describe things that we don't understand. How would you explain seeing your child for the first time and that rush the moment your eyes first meet? I know how I felt and the memory of it still today makes a magical miracle.

Jakki - posted on 10/31/2010

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Yeah - Harry Potter is in the FICTION section in the library. I don't think anybody (including people who say they believe in witchcraft) believes that people actually ride around on broomsticks.

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Alison, as far as I know, religious texts can be read at public schools. So I don't think that would fly.

Jessica - posted on 10/31/2010

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There a slight difference between reading the bible and a story with christian characters and a book that teaches witchcraft and Harry Potter, not a valid argument.

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I'll argue this from a legal perspective rather than a religious one.

On the one hand I think it's a bit out of order to tell other people what they can and can't read, but on the other I can see the logic of her argument. If it's a public school that doesn't allow religious books to be read then surely Harry Potter has to be included in that list because witchcraft is considered religion.

Jakki - posted on 10/31/2010

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My mother and lots of other relatives are fundamentalist Christians, and I get into a lot of "debates" with them on various issues, including Harry Potter. I put debate in inverted commas because it often isn't a very pleasant discussion and we end up getting upset.

But anyway, I think Christians are wary of reading fantasy books because they construct a world without the Christian God, and this threatens the absolutism of the Christian world view. I agree with the person who drew parallels with Narnia books - there are all sorts of bad people and good people in Narnia as well as Harry Potter, but the basic messages are quite similar, ie triumph of good over evil. I've read all 7 Harry Potter books and I really don't think it should alarm anybody, it's all make believe, and the kids know it!

Tah - posted on 10/31/2010

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@Laura..no..not possible...thanks for asking...i am not the one who said that those who are not christian are without morals..i would never say it..why??? because i don't believe it...I read every response...actually..i only took a part from one as an example....and i am not talking about one post...goodness me, how many post on religion and christianity have there been on here..i lost count...all across some boards..not just here..besides what i quoted...i didn't name anything specific and i wasn't just referring to this board..i don't generally see any boards saying " an atheist teacher, or a pagan teacher said this that and the other...but i am sure they have their views as well..they may not make the news....sometimes they do...i am sure it wasn't a group of christians that were protesting to have God taken out of the pledge...I know muslims who don't say it either.....free country and free will say that is their right to feel that way...i just don't usually see post about them when it comes to religion...it's usually about some form of christianity..and the claws come out



Now notice i have said i haven't seen post like that..but that's not to say that there isn't a post about agnostics, atheist, pagans, wiccans etc somewhere on here where the same thing is happening to them..i just haven't seen it for myself...

Tah - posted on 10/31/2010

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heck Kati..i have a problem with some also..lol...i just have to know that they aren't all like that..i know i am not perfect...certain things i am still working on...like cussing....trust me..i try hard...i slip up..i know the ones you all are talking about.sitting up front with the biggest hats on to hold all their wicked thoughts and judgments..lol. My mom was a minister's wife and didn't even sit up front with them because she knew them all to well....She sat in the side pew with us giving us candy to eat and paper to draw on to keep us quiet so she could hear the word..from my father or whoever else was preaching...

My father has actually left 2 churches because they were allowing things to happen that he knew wasn't correct for a body of people who make up the church to indulge in...if that isn't thinking for yourself...he has been the head of christian ministry, prison ministry, christian education, sunday school, you name it, he teaches us not to judge but to know for yourself and yes to be a light for others to see...He explained other religions to us because he doesn't jump in lightly...how can i explain it...have you ever seen the men out in the pak playing chess for hours with strategic thought and movement...okay.,then you have seen my dad..literally..he plays chess...and teaches the grandboys to play because it teaches them how to think.....i try to be mindful that there are exceptions and bad seeds to every group..but sometimes those bad seeds make it hard and i should know...

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I can't tell you how many times though, that I have been told that people without god are without morals and values, is it possible that you only notice those types of judgments when they are against Christians? Is it remotely possible that you read ONE response that was anti-christian and lumped us all in with that ONE person? Because my post in particular was about how ridiculous it is to limit your reading to stories without any sins in them...there would honestly be very little to read... and you would miss out on all of the great works of literature in the world.

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This woman just needs to get a life! It's a story...the same could be said about the Bible that it is made-up. People could refer to the miracles as some sort of magic or witchcraft...slight hypocrisy me thinks!

Rosie - posted on 10/31/2010

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tah, i am VERY guilty of accidentally lumping all christians together when i talk, because i do have a problem with some, definitly not all. i try to make an effort to not do that, but i do slip up sometimes. if i do, either call me out on it, or just know that i don't necessarily mean ALL christians!! ;)

Tah - posted on 10/31/2010

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i don't either Cassie...i just sit and watch people say that "when someone is a christian red flags go up and esp the God-fearing ones they stop thinking for themselves"...etc etc..as i said before, i have been called delusional for being a christian...etc..



.sometimes it is offiensive and i feel judged by people because they think that all christians are hypocritical and judgemental...HUH??..lol...this thread did some of that in it..it has not gotten as nasty as some others, but it is there none the less....i also went to catholic school until 11th grade, but am yet Baptist...God-fearing....i'm not sure how you are one without fearing God, but hey..i don't know everything..i will freely admit that..but i do know when things are said that are offensive....



.some people will see it and some people won't..i also want to say that i am not mad or upset with anyone...we just had a rocking good weekend for my daughter's b-day today.slumber party fri..jillians for games and food yesterday...big party and candy with cake and ice cream..friend chicken, hot wings, chili, sausages, my famous dip..mac and cheese, broccocli and cheese casserole, salads, veggie trays..etc..I still haven't had a plate.and probably won't..lol...not tonight... I just wanted to say how i feel when i open these threads...you mention christian and the slaughter begans...lol.

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