Cop handcuffs Kindergartener

Katherine - posted on 04/17/2012 ( 249 moms have responded )

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A Georgia cop who handcuffed a tantruming kindergartner is in the middle of a hailstorm of criticism this week. So I'm going to do this poor guy a favor. I'm not going to add to it.



That's right. I'm the mother of a girl who is the same age as little Salecia Johnson was when she pitched a hissy in the middle of the classroom at her elementary school in Milledgeville, Georgia last week. And I know what kind of damage a pissed off 6-year-old can do. I also know what it takes to calm a pissed off 6-year-old down. Handcuffing doesn't sound that far off the mark.



The thing is, according to the reports, Salecia was tearing things off the walls in her classroom. She was throwing furniture. She ripped a shelf off the wall of the principal's office, and it injured the administrator.



This was not some pouting toddler. This was a full on, s--t has hit the fan blowout.



And I can picture how it went down because I've been there. My 6-year-old went through a "I'm going to throw fits" phase -- although never in public (thank heavens for small mercies). She was testing her boundaries, and as responsible parents, we laid down the law. The phase ended, and we've moved on.



But I still remember how we had to calm her. We would sit, holding her in the safety of our arms, while she worked out her frustrations. Now imagine a grown man, a stranger, doing that to a 6-year-old girl. He'd be facing more than criticism today. People would be calling him a pedophile and accusing him of molesting the little girl.



Yes, he's a cop. But in this society, grown men do not hold little girls close to their bodies without some sort of repercussions. So what else is a cop to do when he walks into a classroom and finds a child wreaking such havoc?



Talking to them doesn't work if it falls on deaf ears -- which is what is said to have happened with Salecia. And walking out of the room, just letting her continue to destroy the place, isn't an option. At best she would learn that this type of atrocious behavior is acceptable. At worst, she would continue to hurt other people and/or possibly hurt herself.



So what does that leave? Handcuffs. It's not a great option. In fact, it downright sucks that he was put in that position. But on a scale from one to TASER, I think it's probably the best that can be done in a bad situation.



As the mother of a 6-year-old, I don't want to think of my child ever being put in handcuffs. But then, I don't ever want my child tearing things off the classroom walls, throwing furniture, or ripping a shelf off the wall in the principal's office. If my kid was being cuffed for behavior that atrocious, I don't think I'd be taking the story to the media. I'd be asking myself how the heck my kid got that out of control.



What do you think the officer should have done in this situation?



Well hmmm, obviously the kid has some DEEP seated issues. A psychological assessment could have been ordered. I mean WTF??? Ok the kid is out of control, but she's SIX!!!!! Let's taser them next. Call the parents for fucks sake! There were other ways to handle it.

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MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/19/2012

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Honestly, I think it is a discipline problem. The mother and aunt are not willing to accept that this child acted out. To them it was "only" a mood swing and apparently she has them every so often. You would think if they had any clue, they would do something about it. No, I think they act this way in front of her, as well and do not lay the law down at home. That's just my opinion from what I have read. ;)



And it is behavioural...LOL (I like my "U's", of course it is correct without the "U" too, as Janice wrote) hehehee



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Yeah, sorry but whoever on FB that is making comments about her needing a good spank is off their rocker! That solves nothing. Maybe she is spanked and not disciplined. That would make any kid act out....**shakes head**

Janice - posted on 04/19/2012

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Megan even if this little girl does have a diagnosable issue, most children are mainstreamed in the US. Many schools do have a separate class for students with behavioral (that's the spelling :)) issues but parents must on board with the placement.

My friend's son has anxiety disorder. She always knew something was off but it until he started kindergarten at 5 that she really sought help. The first medication had bad side effects, so she stopped giving them to him and she hated the 1st psychologist they wee sent too. It took months to get an appt and evaluation with another one. He had many violent outburst during that time. She got notes home and call frequently. However, once they got the right diagnosis and the right meds he became like a different kid. She called me in absolute shock over how the first grade teacher gushed about him during parent teacher conferences this year. He has had zero behavior issues.



Long story short ;) You never really know why a young child is freaking out or acting violent. It could be a bad home life or it could be an undiagnosed disorder or who knows what.

**Jackie** - posted on 04/19/2012

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LMAO yea "don't hit anyone, kid"!!! *WHACK*....yup if that isn't an exercise in ambiguity I don't know what is...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 04/19/2012

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I read about this Tuesday and was shocked to see how many people on Facebook and Yahoo were saying that this was proof that the child wasn't spanked enough. FFS! Your child doesn't act out because he or she isn't spanked enough there are other issues involved with this type of behaivour. I believe the parent(s) of this 6 year old should have psyche evaulations done to see if she has some type of chemical imbalance or behaivour problems that could cause her to act that way/

I have bi polar and was diagnosed with it at 9, when I was in grade 6 I went to a school for children with emotional and behaivorial (I can't spell that word!) problems that made it so they couldn't attend regular schools at that time (I wasn't nearly as bad as some of them) There were kids there who were restrained so that they couldn't harm themselves or others- the parents knew that this did happen in the school and the teachers were trained on how to take care of these situations. Maybe this child needs to go to a school like that.

Isobel - posted on 04/19/2012

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I went to two high schools in Toronto, and my husband(ish type guy) went to every other school in the city (don't ask lol) and neither of us has ever witnessed any police presence in any of our schools. claiming that they were undercover is a little tinfoil-hat-ish...even for me, sorry.

Tracey - posted on 04/19/2012

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UK news reported that she was only removed from the school for her safety and that she was too young to be charged with anything.

Jenn - posted on 04/18/2012

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After finding out more, I definitely believe the school responded appropriately. Rather than risk liability (to the child or the school itself) they called the police who could then not only protect the students and staff but most importantly the violent child. Schools these days have their own hands tied when it comes to disciplinary action. This six year old wasn't behaving in any normal temper tantrum way. I understand the police taking her off campus and to the station when her parents couldn't be reached but the initial charges that were filed is absurd. I do hope social services can help the poor child and whatever she is dealing with either at home or medically. The media showed her today, an adorable little girl. Very sad situation. Unfortunately' without involving police, the school would have been put in a precarious position, pissing parents off and raising eyebrows no matter how they responded to the tiny fury of a girl wrecking havoc on others and herself. a lose lose situation really.

Isobel - posted on 04/18/2012

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we don't need cops in our schools cause there are no guns there...but aren't guns supposed to make everybody safer? ;P

Jaime - posted on 04/18/2012

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sounds like her parents need a parenting lesson.



when all else fails, hells yeah for handcuffs. i'm fine with that, if my daughter ever threw some little shit fit in school for any reason and ended up hurting people, of course i'd be fine with a cop handcuffing her! no problem with that from me! however, i'd hope my kid wouldn't be so reckless of her own accord. if it's a mental problem, then there is definitely a need for counseling and other treatment but i mean, still, if needed then detain the child so you have a chance to figure out the problem. sigh...

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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Meme -You must agree, the American news, wins hands down, compared to the Canadian news.



That is sad and hilarious.

Sherri - posted on 04/18/2012

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I think the school and cops did a great job. I have no problems with this what so ever, maybe it will teach her if you behave this way there are some severe consequences.



Something severe had to be done many people at were significant risk of serious harm including herself.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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OK - so I just did a bunch of research and it is only schools in Ontario with a Safe Schools Approach (Partnership between community and school) that includes a "required Police Protocol". No other schools in any other part of Canada, embrace this inclusion (according to what I have read). Which would be why I have never ever seen it.

This info is within this link, about 3/4 of the way down.

http://www.safehealthyschools.org/whatsn...

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Amanda-- I highly doubt the kid that was arrested was 6.

I have never said a cop has no place in a school, especially in the higher grades. Of course, they need to be available once the kids are older, bigger, stronger.

However, you cannot in no way make it sound as if Canada has security, cops and metal detectors as a frequent thing, within schools. It simply is not true. It has nothing to do with what I may think, it is what I know from the 15 schools I have come across and by being an active news watcher. ;) Mind you I have never lived in Ontario and never really would, by the sounds of it, it isn`t peachy.

You must agree, the American news, wins hands down, compared to the Canadian news.

Sorry, I had thought before you had mentioned you lived in Toronto. I guess, I was mistaken. At least I got Ontario right. ;)

Amanda - posted on 04/18/2012

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I have gone to many schools in southern Ontario, all of which had under cover cops, or securty. Btw I have never lived in Toronto. I am just my experience, there is alot more security in schools then you may think.



My point being is this shit happens in Canada, a child was arrested at my childrens school 3 weeks ago, for beating up another child who called him a wagon burner. Cuffs and all

Elizabeth - posted on 04/18/2012

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The school was absolutely correct in calling the police. This child was tearing things off the walls, threw a shelf at a teacher AND was trying to break glass! Had a teacher physically held and restrained the child.....the child would have kept on fighting and most likely both the teacher AND chlld may have been hurt! If there were any marks left on the child as a result of trying to restrain him, it's VERY possible the parents would then press charges against the teacher! Letting the authorities handle this out of control student was a necessity for everyone's safety!

K. - posted on 04/18/2012

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I agree Meme, it is sad when you have to call the police on a child. But when it's necessary, it's necessary. This cop was between a rock and a hard place. Damned if he did damned if he didn't. And I agree, schools should provide disciplinary action. Run in the hallway, miss recess. Stick you gum under your desk, you have to clean the desks. The punishment should fit the crime. I don't give a damn if she's 6 or 60. She was destroying property and putting herself and others at risk. That crosses a line, teachers shouldn't have to deal with that, that's a cops job. I wouldn't have a problem if it were my child. Although I'm obviously raising my kids better than that so this would never be an issue for us. But if it were, I would not be coming down on the police. Act like a criminal, these are the repercussions. I hope she gets help, but I also hope she learns a lesson.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Amanda--There are cops in Canadian schools as well as securty even metal detectors.



In all 12 schools I have attended there has never ever been a cop or security. This must be limited to where you live in Toronto. It is NOT the norm, not even close.



ETA:

I have lived in Edmonton, Fort McMurray, Calgary and Halifax... All 4 large cities...nope no cops or security.



Canada is a hell of a lot better than most Countries, sorry that you do not feel the same. ;)



Oh and add the 3 schools my daughter has gone to. Making 15 schools, I have had close contact with. Nope, still no cops, security or metal detectors. Must be an Ontario thing...

Amanda - posted on 04/18/2012

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Good for this cop!



There are cops in Canadian schools as well as securty even metal detectors. Lets get real, Canada is no where near as great as we like others to think. Maybe in small town, or rich town Canada there isnt issues, but there sure as hell issues in Toronto, Hamilton, and many other citys through out Canada.



As for school restraining children, sure they are trained but they do not want a law suit therefore try to never restrain and child who does not have this in their IEP. My son once needed to be restrained, instead of doing this they called me, and locked him in a small room he couldnt hurt himself in, while he could still be watched. Good on the school!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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She IS 6... Meh. I guess most of you would have no problem then if it were your child. School is suppose to be a structured place with disciplinary action available. I think it is already a sad day in America if you have to call Police to fight a 6 year old.

K. - posted on 04/18/2012

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I feel bad for these teachers. It's going to be a sad sad day in America when elementary schools are authorized to have handcuffs at their disposal for out of control kids. Calling the police on this girl was the best choice. Handcuffing her was the best choice, even transporting her to the station I have ZERO problem with. Teachers got into their profession to educate, not to restrain. If they wanted to learn how to restrain I'd imagine they would have picked another career. Like that of a police officer. School is for learning, jail is for people who go crazy and start destroying property, potentially hurting themselves or others. I hope that she gets help for whatever is causing this type of behavior, but the police had a job to do and they did it.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Yeah, I am SOOOOOO happy to be Canadian. No offense but this Country is still rocking! LOL No police (or security) in any of our schools...

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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I remember America before all this security in schools and it was fun! Now you can't even smoke in the girl's room for fear of being arrested!!! What happen to the land of the free?

Katherine - posted on 04/18/2012

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We have security. Especially in high schools. I remember trying to sneak out and getting caught. Then we had this great idea to hide in the trunk lol.

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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Sadly in America we have police on school grounds to handle violence.

Katherine - posted on 04/18/2012

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Just read the article. I guess some kind of restraint WAS needed. Don't know about the cuffs, but damn she really caused some damage! It's scary to think a 6 year old could do this, my daughter is 6. And to have that much rage! Something is definitely wrong.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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OK - I have found more information. This time it depicts what supposedly happened to get the child so angry. It also states that they did indeed, try to contact the parents several times.



So, now that I have read more and got further detail, I do agree she more than likely required being restrained (handcuffed) but still believe it is to be done by the school. They need to have policies that enable them to do this, so as to not require police. I also, do not agree she should have been transported. One encouraging piece of info, though, is that Social Services has been contacted and her case turned over to them.



I hope this little girl gets the help and resources she needs. I truly feel terrible for her. She is too young to be feeling the way she does, she should not be so angry. Something inside of her is hurting and I really hope someone helps her before it is too late.



http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/20...

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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I too worked in childcare and went through the same training. I also worked in Head Start and restraints were never used. I would rather have my child restrained by handcuffs then a teacher who got 3 hrs training.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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I think what is the crazy part of this is that the 1 article said they charged her! Now that is completely ridiculous. I do believe the other article said they were dropped but thatt should never be on the table with a little kid.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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Oh and I must add I have been allowed to restrain pre-school and toddler aged children when I worked in daycare. Just long enough to get them outside or to the office and only as a last resort. But in a daycare it is normal to pick up and hold the children, which is not the case in public schools.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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America when I completed my teaching degree I was required to take (and pay extra for it) 3 1 hour courses on things such as child abuse and being a mandated reporter. I couldn't complete my degree with out it. This is in NY. IDK if other states require this for certification but it definitely could become part of teacher curriculum. It already is for those who get degrees in the field of special ed.

Jayce - posted on 04/18/2012

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MeMe - if no staff member was trained, and no parent available, then who's left to restrain her??? Should she have allowed to coninue until she did seriously hurt herself or someone else? If that were the case we'd be having a whole different debate right now.

How she got to the office I don't know. She may have gone on her own after being ordered to do so numerous times. Who knows? But if the reports are accurate then someting needed to be done to stop this child.

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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Where would the funding for that come from! How about teaching children how to cope with these feelings and better ways to deal with anger. Parent's wake up...If you send them to school then it is then up to the school to decide what is necessary to protect all involved. I don't always agree with the way school's handle things but what choice did they have...you know as well as I do they all wanted to bust that ass,but we would be having a whole bigger debate!

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Janice--I definitely do think that it would be in the best interest of everyone to have teachers trained how to properly restrain a child and policies that allow teachers to do so if necessary.

Bingo! I agree 100%.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Jayce---Children in this case are restrained for two reason, to prevent injuries to themselves and to prevent injuries to others. The school has to do what needs to be done to keep everyone safe. If the parents can't be reached or refuse to come to the school (yes, it happens) then the staff have to take whatever precautions they see fit. And if this child was doing the amount of damage that the reports say she was, then she most definately needed to be restrained before someone got seriuosly hurt.

I agree but are you saying it HAD to be a cop?

BTW- It was me that said an adult should be able to control a 6 year old and yes I have seen some doozy melt downs. ;) She should never have been able to get as far as she did with the ripping things off of the walls.

How did she get from the classroom to the office??

Janice---Legalities are everything. If it is legal than it isn't as easy trying to fight that in the court of law (the place the laws are upheld).

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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I definitely do think that it would be in the best interest of everyone to have teachers trained how to properly restrain a child and policies that allow teachers to do so if necessary.

Jayce - posted on 04/18/2012

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My husband is an educational assistant working with special needs children (not saying this child is one) and he's had to physically restrain children as young as 6. He is CPI (crisis prevention/intervention) trained and thus able to do so. Someone mentioned the child being only 6 and thus adults should be able to ccontrol them, obviously this person has never seen a child having a meltdown.

Children in this case are restrained for two reason, to prevent injuries to themselves and to prevent injuries to others. The school has to do what needs to be done to keep everyone safe. If the parents can't be reached or refuse to come to the school (yes, it happens) then the staff have to take whatever precautions they see fit. And if this child was doing the amount of damage that the reports say she was, then she most definately needed to be restrained before someone got seriuosly hurt.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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Legally, it may be permissable. However, this country is sue happy and all it takes is for one parent to claim their child was restrained inappropriately for the school to make a policy about not restraining children except for special needs students who have specific plans in place.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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Yes, parents absolutely must be called but it takes time to get to the school and thats if they can even leave work. They may be calling around to other family members to see who can go get the child.

My mom didn't own a car when my sister was that age and it was an hour+ bus ride to go get my sister if needed. She would have to either call someone to get a ride or hopefully get a hold of my grandparents to get her, one set of which lived 20 min. away.

A lot of damage can be done in 25 minutes. The police (if necessary) could get there much sooner.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Also many schools' policy is that teachers are not allowed to restrain students. I suppose that is where the problem is.

Not from the laws I have read for many of the states and definitely not in Canada. All you need to do is read the "spanking laws" for each state and it will be defined within who can place physical restraint and who cannot (not corporal punish but use physical force to stop poor behaviour (restrain)).

Actually, I think you will be surprised as to how many states (most of them, I haven't read all) actually allow any care provider (including schools) to physically restrain. So, I must ask, where are you getting this info, that most schools are not allowed?

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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Wouldn't she have to still be restrained to get to the gym? Where are the parent's of this child?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Honestly, as I have already said, if they must handcuff fine but to take it a step further and make her ride in the car as a convict and then be brought to the station was a wee bit much for my liking.

I also agree, the schools need to have better and clearer policies. Perhaps having some zip ties themselves, where they could restrain the child's hands - in front of them - until they were calm enough to talk. Now that would be a good starting policy.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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oops didnt see your 2nd post.



In most schools the gym is in use through out the day. So while I agree that the gym could work it may not be as readily available as you make it seem.



Also many schools' policy is that teachers are not allowed to restrain students. I suppose that is where the problem is.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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But Meme you are failing to come up with a better solution yourself. You cant have it both ways - either you are okay with a violent (at that moment, I'm not labeling) child being restrained or you are okay with your child possibly being injured.



I agree that taking the girl to the station was overkill. However, I don't think being restrained by handcuffs is a big deal.



I do think that schools need to have more clear policies in place.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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To add, I am completely unwilling to believe that they could not physically restrain the child and move her into a more appropriate area. There are other rooms. Bring her in the gym, lets see how many things she can tear up in there! I mean, that is a room that takes extreme abuse anyway, right?



I think you guys are seriously exasperating the situation and what it takes to calm a child down. There really is a problem with their training or abilities. There are more highly tempered adults that are not handcuffed. Cops are trained in these situations. the kid was 6 for goodness sake.

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Well, I would have to say I would be having some "wonderful" meets with the school, including the school board. We would be sitting down and figuring out how they are going to proceed from there on in with an unruly child. I am sorry but I still would not have wanted the cops called.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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So Meme what would you do if your child was injured by a violently tantruming child and the school said "Sorry, we tried talking with the child and that's all we can do." If a child will not calm down, what should one do? Lock them in a closet?

America3437 - posted on 04/18/2012

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I think that if the school failed to call the parent's then what choice did this cop have?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 04/18/2012

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Jodi---Secondly, the parent's discipline methods, everyone seems to be jumping to the conclusion that this child is abused at home, which I admit is VERY possible. But it's also possible that this child recieves no discipline, and this behavior is acceptable at home. Either way it's not good for the child.



This is most definitely a possibility, which I did state in one of my posts (pasted below). Which is still a good reason for CPS to be brought into the picture. Also, IMO, is a form of neglect.



MeMe---Sorry but I would not be very pleased to have my 6 year old put in hand cuffs. However, my child would have some dandy consequences to face after. Obviously, this child is either not disciplined at home/severely neglected/abused/has a mental disorder or a mixture of all of the above. Children do not act like this for no reason.



Jodi---But the parents couldn't even answer their phone? After SIX tries?!



I have yet to see this info. Laura said she saw it on CNN. I read the CNN news article, it did not mention any parents being called.



Laura ---So Meme...an all day bear hug? or locked up in a rubber room with no adult for the ENTIRE day? Which would be better than being cuffed and taken to the station?



Sorry, Laura. I pick none of the above. ;) Perhaps you would have no issue with your unruly child being handcuffed and taken to the station but I would. I believe in figuring out what the problem is, if a school cannot help a child, then there is an issue and it isn't the child.

Janice - posted on 04/18/2012

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I have my BS in early childhood education and guess what there are no courses that teach you how to restrain a violent child. We are taught basic classroom management, that's it.



I have been in classrooms with violent children and was told not to touch them. We just try to keep the other children safe while we wait for the principle. Once a child is violent just talking to them is not very affective.



I completely agree with the officer for handcuffing the child. Really, if you cant get them calm then what the hell else can you do? I'm not sure why she needed to be transported. I think she could have sat at school cuffed. But her being transported is not what is going to make her hate the police. Its the parents' attitudes. Instead of making their child understand that if you are violent there are consequences, they went to the media taught her do whatever you want, authority means nothing.

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If it was a medical issue the staff at our school have a duty of parental care policy and unless a parent has specifically told them not to, the staff will make medical decisions they feel are in the child's best interest if they cannot contact family.