Doctors refuse to see un vax'd kids.

Sharon - posted on 02/28/2011 ( 95 moms have responded )

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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/270...

DENVER -- Some Colorado doctors are refusing to see patients who have not been vaccinated, pointing to recent whooping cough outbreaks in California and a woman with measles reported on a flight to Denver.

But some families say it isn't right.

Jennifer and Ronnie Prine, of Littleton, aren't vaccinating their 11-year-old daughter because of what they said happened to their son.


"He was born perfectly normal, He was about seven months when he got his DPT vaccine," said Jennifer Prine. "About 14 days after that, he started having seizures. And the regression just continued until he's where he is now. He's 20 and at about 6-month level."

But more and more doctors across the nation won't see children who haven't been vaccinated.

Dr. Andrew Lieber, with Rose Pediatrics, made the decision after children who hadn't been vaccinated came into his waiting room with chicken pox and whooping cough.

"So, a child under 1 who gets exposed to chicken pox in our waiting room, that could pose a very big danger," said Lieber.

While Colorado hasn't seen the outbreaks other states have, state health officials said they do continue to see preventable diseases cropping up in kids here.

Still, the Prines said it should be their choice whether to vaccinate, not their doctor's. "Come to my house. Watch the seizures every day, and you make the choice because when it comes right down to it no doctor will help you take care of that child," said Prine.

About 5 percent of children in Colorado have a documented exemption in order not to be vaccinated.

Many parents haven't given their children vaccinations because of the once-reported link to autism; which has since been widely discredited.

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I'm a HUGE fan of this. I hate people who erroneously fail to protect their children based on one mans FAKED study. My kids are vax'd. But there are a lot of WHAT IFs. I don't want unvax'd kids around mine. And back when I was still having babies - I would have KILLED someone if I'd found out they were unvax'd and potentially a measles carrier.

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Sneaky - posted on 03/01/2011

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Awesome! Love it :o)

As to the family with the 20 year old son who has seizures, wouldn't it be better for them to attempt to get a proper diagnosis then to blame the vaccine???? That is definitely the impression I was getting from the article.

Sharon - posted on 03/02/2011

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Hell yes Tracey. I don't know the exact numbers but to me it looks like 99.99% of the population 100% benefits from vaccines.

Even those who CAN'T be vaccinated benefit from the herd immunity. If everyone around the 1 unvaccinated child at school, IS vaccinated that 1 child is safe.

Society owes the 1 damaged child HELP. A cure, a vaccine that is an alternative to the traditional or better than the original. A fix to the brain damage. A way to overcome that brain damage.

ALL of which is in the works. If we all ignored vaccines, most of us would be on "death of a child" support groups instead of "help me parent better" forums because our kids were dead of some damned childhood disease.

Your child was injured but the rest of us are supposed to suffer the death of a child just so your ONE - who may or may not have been harmed by the vaccine, can MAYBE stay normal?

Nikki - posted on 03/01/2011

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@Tracey, a child that has been hit by a car is not going to be going to a doctor's surgery, they will be going to the hospital, most likely via ambulance.

Germs can spread easily between rooms, also are they going to sanitise the doctor's room when a whooping cough case has just been through? What happens if the next patient is a week old baby? What if that was your one week old baby and as a result died from exposure?

As doctor's; they have a duty of care, as the article suggests it is reasonable to say that a child under the vaccination age who is exposed to chicken pox poses more of a risk. Chicken pox may not have been the best example to use, but none the less it is still a risk. So I would consider that the risk to this group of infants and other vulnerable groups is greater than the risk of having separated surgeries for those who are not vaccinated. It should be a doctor's duty of care to act in the best interest for the majority of their patients. I am surprised this practice hasn't been adopted earlier.

I can't say for certain because I am not a doctor, but from legal stance I am sure that if a person's life was at risk an exception would be made. I can't imagine there are many doctor's out there that would stand by and watch a child die without intervening.

Just maybe if this practice became widespread the parents out there who are uneducated and use the autism/mmr link for not vaccinating their children might start to take notice.

I understand that there are parents out there who are educated and do not vaccinate for other reasons. I would however hope that by educating themselves before they decided to make the decision not to vaccinate they would understand the risk their children may have to others who are vulnerable not by choice. I think it would be really selfish in fact for a non vaccinating parent to get their knockers in a knot and complain about this practice.

I am confident in today's age even if the practice happens to become mainstream that there will still be sufficient practices to treat those who choose against vaccination.

I am aware that vaccinations are not 100% full proof, however by adopting this practice the risk to infants would be greatly reduced. Especially in areas like where I live where whooping cough and rotavirus reach almost epidemic proportions at times.

I shouldn't have to put my baby at risk because some other parent made the choice not to vaccinate, and that's what it comes down to. Fantastic idea!

Nikki - posted on 03/10/2011

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@ Laura, and if ALL the doctors find out what a fabulous idea this is and implement it?

The immunisation rate may increase dramatically and thousands of more children will be protected from deadly diseases. win/win

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I'm a Colorado resident and it's been on the news and when I heard it, I was thrilled. To make it short and sweet, parents have the right to choose not to vaccinae (which is irresponsible in my eyes but whatever) and doctors have the same right not to see certain patients. Why is it ok for a parent to say "It's my choice not to vaccinate my child" which is obviously risky but it's not ok for doctors to refuse to see certain patients. They did not promise to see every sick patient no matter what when they became a doctor. Doctors have the right to refuse to see patients and I think this is a smart move. What I suspect will happen is some doctors will then capitalize on this and see ONLY unvaccinated kids.

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Sindi - posted on 05/06/2011

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The autism study that was released, is no longer valid, the doctor even retracted his statement! VACCINATE!!!!!!!!

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I think it's rather irritating and plain out rude to read comments referring to parents that dont vaccinate there children, calling us " twats, lazy, stupid," and whatever else people have said on here that is really offensive. I by far am not lazy, stupid or in any kind of way resemble a vagina... twat, ha.ha. get it... Please, im sure you guys can come up with better ways of expressing your opinions without attacking anyone.

Jenn - posted on 05/06/2011

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This is why parents must have a candid conversation with their doctors about vaccinations. I had to change doctors because the first didn't believe in stretching out a vaccine schedule. Fine. I interviewed another pediatrican who does and she's fabulous. I do know that she won't see kids who's parents refuse completely to get them vaccinated. That's her right as a doctor here in the US. Small towns are dealing with the onslaught of autism and all the parent speculation surrounding vaccines as well. There will always be a doctor, pediatrician or family practice, who will still see unvaccinated children. Just might have to do alot of hunting for them.

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If you really want to see the info and proof out there, just go read a bit. An American pediatrician wrote an excellent book, unbiased, with all the studies, all the facts and even gives you the exact ingredients of the different vaccines from the respective manufacturers. He tackles this issue that some doctors refuse to see unvaccinated children too. Go to his website, www.thevaccinebook.com and read the book (The vaccine book by Robert W. Sears, M.D., F.A.A.P) before you can say anything as a fact. And also, to the lady who says that it is illegal to not vaccinate in South Africa, it has not been the case since the late 80's. As a parent it is your right to decide to vaccinate your children or not. Something else, just ask your doctors whether they vaccinated all their kids and whether they gave them every single vaccination on the recommended vaccine schedule. I really urge you to read, we have so much information available to us. Always the best for our kids!

Carolyn - posted on 03/05/2011

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this is where medical boards/government ( atleast should) step in to ensure that everyone has access to medical care. That there is 1 doctor per county/district, x mile radius, that will treat unvaccinated patients.

In a small town, a doctor with limited patients, could lose a small fortune refusing unvaccinated children, chances are they would lose their parents as well.

Here there are small towns without a family practioner or medical doctor, and those people manage just fine as well.

There are communities without grocery stores, or shopping other than a gas station, and yet these people still somehow manage to get to a bigger city to hit up the mall, get groceries, prenatal care, their prescriptions refilled etc. So i guess i dont see it as doom and gloom and children dying in rural communities etc.

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2011

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and the children who live in small towns?

and if ALL the doctors find out what a fabulous idea this is and implement it?

tis a slippery slope.

Carolyn - posted on 03/05/2011

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oh and if a doctor can fire you as a patient for not following their medical recommendations, I dont see why vaccinations should be an exception to that rule. My old shift partner was fired from 4 docotors because he did not follow their recommendations to quit smoking, take better control of his diabetes, get more exercise etc. Smoking is a personal choices, diet is a personal choice, whether or not i chose to exercise is also a personal choice, but i can be refused further service by a physician for those reasons, why not for refusing to adequately protect my children and the general public let alone the newborn in the waiting room.

Carolyn - posted on 03/05/2011

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i dont understand why you seem to think children are going to be dying because a physician chose not to sign unvaccinated children onto their practice ? they would have to go on and find another family doctor ..

here in ontario, you call and ask "hey are you taking patients ?" the receptionists say "no" so you head down the list. and when you get told "No" by all the receptionists, you go to the hospital , or after hours clinics, or a nurse practitioner.

my point is, not everyone has a family doctor to begin with, and it can take years to find one, some people never have one. But last i checked people werent dying unnecessarily because they didnt have a GP.

did i miss the announcement that every doctor in the USA is refusing unvaccinated children in the personal, private, general family practices ??? i would have thought for sure that would have made the news ...

Isobel - posted on 03/05/2011

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my point is though...why do kids get to die because their parents are stupid or lazy???

whoa...I've heard that somewhere before.

Esther - posted on 03/05/2011

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No, but it's more trouble than most parents are willing to go through on a whim.

Caitlin - posted on 03/05/2011

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The problem with "conscientious objections" is that it could be for any reason whatsoever, you just need to get a doc to sign off on your refusal of you "knowing the risks".. That's not much protection IMO..

Esther - posted on 03/04/2011

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I didn't have the patience to read through all the responses so I skimmed through them. But I think these doctors are perfectly entitled to do what they do and I'm all for it. If parents choose not to vaccinate their kids, then that's on them, but they will also have to face the consequences of those decisions. If that means driving to another doctor an hour away - tough, that's life. I think not vaccinating kids is irresponsible. If the concern is unfairly victimizing those kids who can't get vaccinated because of allergies - I don't share that concern. I'm thinking kids for whom that is the case are few and far between and I'm sure arrangements could be made (perhaps they could come after regular visiting hours or something). As for flu shots - I agree with the poster who said that the flu shot isn't the most effective vaccine out there because of the mutating nature of the virus. That being said, in the state of NJ all school age (and daycare enrolled) kids are required to get vaccinated unless the parents have conscientious objections. I'm all for that too. I have to provide a doctor's note to my son's daycare every flu season to prove he's been vaccinated.

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I think some problem ppl may be concerned about is small towns who have limited doctors, or whose doctors only except certain insurance...if there was only 1 doctor who saw medicaid patients, for ex, and THAT doctor opted to refuse treatment to unvax'd children then who does that child get seen by? Maybe the next town that the child could be seen at is over an hour away? What then? I suppose there is always the ER? But I'm sure that'll increase the bill which the taxpayers will foot... *sigh* Frankly it doesn't bother me because I think that healthy children w/no background of allergies or fam hx of problems should get vax'd. Like someone said before, the children who are medically restricted to get vaccines would likely not be in the group not allowed to be seen, or atleast one would hope as it makes sense that the rule is to protect them as well?

Whether the seperate waiting rooms for sick kids are actually effective or not is irrelevant. When I was bringing in my infant son into the peds office I was horrified to take them if there were sick kids running around. And I never was really concerned about WHAT the kids had, they were sick-anything could have been life threatening to a newborn. I wish doctors around here operated like that, seperate waiting rooms would have been nice! When my oldest was sick w/a rash we were instructed to wait outside the office and wave @ the front desk when we arrived, as they were expecting us. So when it was our turn they came to the exit doors and we went in the back way. It was never anything serious and I kinda felt like a leper, but I understood the precautions and it didn't bother me.

I don't recall for sure but I THINK...kids here WA get pertussis vac @ 12mos :(

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my sisters husbands mother had the same problem with her son it has been quite a strain for her with him but she is amazing

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i don't blame you for not vaccinating your daughter it is perfectly undestanable i think doctors who won't see kids because they aren't vaccinated are pathetic eveeeeery child has the right to medical treatment

Desiree - posted on 03/03/2011

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AHH!! Ok it's wierd for me to see it as a choice, when for us it isn't but speaking to a friend of mine. Living in Africa the chance that other african countries don't do it. And we have a lot of immagrants comming in from the North.

I understand if there is a reaction to the vaccines, and I am not talking about those who do truely have an allergic reaction, but surely there are alternatives.?

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I agree...it'll be the parent who doesn't vaccinate who complains when they're darling child contracts a preventable disease from a waiting room...and heaven forbid they'd sue the practice for their own stupid decision...im so over anti vaxers i say you don't want to vaccinate please step to your right onto this plan that will take you to an island where everyone else who is unvaccinated lives



Edit: and keep your diseased measle infested brat out of my waiting room!! my mother did the right thing my body just didn't want to accept it and because of you anti vaxer's i get edgy every time i see a sick kid in a waiting room cos who knows i might get measles from the darling

Tracey - posted on 03/03/2011

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Sharon i'm not saying don't vaccinate, i'm saying don't treat us like lepers because we base the medical treatment of our children on the side effects we have seen happen to those we love which we believe were caused by that medical treatment.

Nikki - posted on 03/02/2011

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This is Australia's current schedule

Birth

Hepatitis B (hepB) [See footnote a]

2 months

Hepatitis B (hepB) [See footnote b]
Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (acellular pertussis) (DTPa)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) [See footnotes c & d]
Polio (inactivated poliomyelitis IPV)
Pneumococcal conjugate (7vPCV)
Rotavirus

4 months

Hepatitis B (hepB) [See footnote b]
Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (acellular pertussis (DTPa)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) [See footnotes c & d]
Polio (inactivated poliomyelitis IPV)
Pneumococcal conjugate (7vPCV)
Rotavirus

6 months

Hepatitis B (hepB) [See footnote b]
Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (acellular pertussis (DTPa)
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) [See footnote c]
Polio (inactivated poliomyelitis) (IPV)
Pneumococcal conjugate (7vPCV) [See footnote e]
Rotavirus [See footnote j]

12 months

Hepatitis B (hepB) [See footnote b]
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) [See footnote d]
Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)
Meningococcal C (MenCCV)

12-24 months

Hepatitis A (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in high risk areas) [See footnote f]

18 months

Chickenpox (varicella) (VZV)

18-24 months

Pneumococcal polysaccharide (23vPPV) (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in high risk areas) [See footnote g]
Hepatitis A (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in high risk areas)

4 years

Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (acellular pertussis) (DTPa)
Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)
Polio (inactivated poliomyelitis) (IPV)

10-13 years

Hepatitis B [See footnote h]
Chickenpox (varicella) (VZV) [See footnote h]

12-13 years

Human Papillomavirus (HPV) [See footnotes i & k]

15-17 years

Diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough (acellular pertussis) (dTPa) [See footnote i]

15-49 years

Influenza (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people medically at-risk)
Pneumococcal polysaccharide (23vPPV) (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people medically at-risk)

50 years and over

Influenza (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people)
Pneumococcal polysaccharide (23vPPV) (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people)

65 years and over

Influenza (flu)
Pneumococcal polysaccharide (23vPPV)

Becky - posted on 03/02/2011

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Babies don't get any vaccinations at birth here. They don't do the Hep B until school age unless they are high risk for it. We don't do BCG and polio here anymore. At least, I don't think they do polio anymore, do they?

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Desiree the only vaccination babies get at birth here is Hep B I think. The rest are at 8 weeks.

Nikki - posted on 03/02/2011

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@Laura, why would they die? no one is saying that every doctor is going to take up this practice, of course there are going to be doctors who will still treat unvaccinated children. Like Jane said, some doctors will likely capitalise on treating unvaccinated children.

For the people that are against this I don't understand where you are getting the impression that doctors all over the world are going to leave unvaccinated children to die?

Desiree - posted on 03/02/2011

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Your kids aren't vaccinated in the first few days of birth???? Ours are!! before we leave the hospital our children get thier first vaccines and then the next at 6 weeks. and so forth.I will just check which ones and let you know.



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the first Vaccines given are the BCG and Polio Drops.

Sharon - posted on 03/02/2011

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The unvaxxed children should be seen in a clinic that accomodate their contagiousness.

Most of the time children are seen by pediatricians. Who else is being seen by pediatricians? Underaged babies. Possibly pregnant moms.

The sick kids parents made a choice to gamble with their kids lives. Now they have to own it.

When I thought my oldest had chicken pox - our pediatrician met us at the ambulance entrance. Gave him a look over, took a history, got his vitals and decided it wasn't chicken pox. Just a weird rash. Then he sent us around to the regular waiting room.

Isobel - posted on 03/02/2011

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I'm curious what you guys would have happen to the innocent children with serious infections?

Would you have them suffer and die because their parents were anti-vaxxers? It's hardly the kid's fault, why should they die when a simple dose of antibiotics could have easily saved them?

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I totally agree with this to Sharon.
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I'm a HUGE fan of this. I hate people who erroneously fail to protect their children based on one mans FAKED study. My kids are vax'd. But there are a lot of WHAT IFs. I don't want unvax'd kids around mine. And back when I was still having babies - I would have KILLED someone if I'd found out they were unvax'd and potentially a measles carrier.

Kate CP - posted on 03/02/2011

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I have a 5 week old son who isn't immunized because he's not old enough. I also have an immune disorder, myself, so I'm more susceptible to infection. I am up to date on all my vaccines and so is my family (except my son, but he will be as he ages). I *can't* let my daughter play with unvaccinated children. That would be much too big of a risk for me to take.

Caitlin - posted on 03/02/2011

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Th reason a lot of us moms with vaccinated kids don't want them to be exposed to unvaccinated kids has to do with perhaps younger siblings (babies) at home that have not yet been vaccinated, pregnancy or knowing a relative with suppessed immune system. Since I have a friens with a compromised immune system, and i'm pregnant, and my daughter cannot receive the flu vaccination and is suceptible to higher rate of complications, i'd be PISSED if i knew my kids were playing with unvaccinated kids, or my friends/family were exposed to something and didn't bother mentioning it before coming over... There are lots of reasons to be pissed off if our kids are exposed due to someone elses desire to not vaccinate, and sinec a vaccinated person can carry an illness, and not present any symptoms, I find it generally irresponsible to use that as an excuse to not vaccinate you own kids, because it's not ONLY the kids that it affects, and if 99.99% of the population was vaccinated, there would be fewer carriers of the illnesses, resulting in lower exposure rates for those people who are vulnerable.

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I think that is a brilliant idea. I feel sorry for the children that have suffered some sort of an after damage from vaccinations or something, but doesn't give them the right to kill or damage other children either. I would love doctors in New Zealand to do the same. I would also rip off someone's face if they are un-vaccinated and come near my daughter. I:

Rosie - posted on 03/02/2011

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carolyn, this is as much info as i could find about your question.

Overall vaccine effectiveness varies from year to year, depending on how similar the influenza virus strains included in the vaccine are to those that are circulating during the flu season. Because vaccine strains are chosen nine to 10 months before the flu season and because influenza viruses mutate over time, the circulating strains can change between the time the vaccine strains are chosen and the next flu season. These changes in the virus(es) sometimes reduce the ability of the vaccine-induced antibodies to inhibit the newly mutated virus, thereby reducing the vaccine's effectiveness. Vaccine effectiveness also varies from one person to another. Studies of healthy young adults have shown influenza vaccine to be 70 percent to 90 percent effective in preventing illness. In the elderly and those with chronic medical conditions, the vaccine is often less effective in preventing influenza than in reducing the severity of the illness and the risk of serious complications and death. Research has shown the vaccine to reduce hospitalization by about 70 percent and death by about 85 percent in independent seniors. Among nursing home residents, vaccine can reduce the risk of hospitalization by about 50 percent, the risk of pneumonia by about 60 percent and the risk of death by 75 percent to 80 percent.

i'll see if i could dig around and find more info. as this doesn't specifically say these people were vaccinated or not.

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Is there any way they can determine if the vaccine is the cause of the illness? I am just having trouble wrapping my mind around the vaccine being the cause of an illness that didn't occur for 2 wks after the vac.? If I sprain my ankle I know right away! Sometimes when you pull something it may take a day or two but you know! And I know this is a poor comparison... When I would get Depo shot it would be inflamed for 3 dys...? If you get the flu vac you are sick for 3 dys...those kinda things seem easily correlated , not soo much if it was 2 wks later?

Tracey - posted on 03/02/2011

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A lot of you are ranting about how we must vaccinate our children for the good of your children and the good of society, but what are you doing for the good of children who have been damaged by vaccines? Doesn't society owe us anything or is this just a one way street and tough shit if my kid is adversely affected as long as yours is fine?

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Emma, I know our GPs have suggested that both my husband and I vaccinate against whooping cough to protect our boys (4&2). We were also advised to get the Boostarix (?) jab against Rotavirus when my eldest was a baby. So we've had both vaccinations. Sad thing is, the Rotavirus vaccination doesn't prevent you from getting regular old gastro. :-\ Which I got when Mr. 4 was about 6 months old. Nighttime parenting from the loo wasn't fun.

Amanda - posted on 03/02/2011

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The last 5 years the flu shoot hasnt even worked!! There are two types of flus, each year they GUESS which flu it will be this year, and each year they get it WRONG. This is why flu shots dont work. Though I hear this year the shot now has both flu's in it. But like someone else pointed out EACH year the flu mutates (This is why you can get the flu 100 times or more in your life or less depending on your immune system), therefore last years flu shot is no good for this year, and so on. This is why many parents do not get the flu shot. Btw my kids are 12 -11 - 2 and the older ones have had the actual flu ONCE, and never had a flu shot (because they dont always work).

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I have said before that this is not a problem in South Africa, because all children have to recieve their shots. So much so the Health Department arrives at all schools and kindy's and makes sure that all the childrens shots are up to date. You have to present their cards. if they are missing any they give it to the kids. and then it is done again in high school. And like last year we had a measels epidemic the kids between the ages of 10 and 13 got them again as a precuation. Again not an option. But reading you posts I realise that some of you are contridicting yourselves by saying that you won't let you vaccinated child near a child who is unvaccinated. Why? your child isn't at risk, but his little friend is Even if your child get it, it will be so mild they won't ill for long. The child who is unvaccinated has more chance of picking it up from your child reason being just because your kid is vaccinated doesn't mean that he or she can't carry the illnesses to a child who is unvaccinated. But I do belive in Vaccinations and I do believe that it must be given to every child. but I am also the mom who even thought they have had they vaccinces will send them off o visit a friend who has caught it just to be doubly sure and strengthen their immune system.

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I know I had the MMR booster after Logan because they test for immunity during pregnancy blood tests and mine was low. But no one ever said anything about whooping cough or anything else.

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Its funny, or rather NOT, that I didn't even know that adults even had a routine immunization chart like kids? NO CLUE! Not until the H1N1 thing did I even realize? Or after a bunch of kids died from Whooping Cough did I realize adults could get the immunization... I think this is funny in the sad kinda way not the haha way, please do not misunderstand! How do adults get away from vacs? I just don't get it??? NEVER once after middle school? elem school maybe? did I get a vac for anything! I was asked about the HPV vac but even my doctor said it was too new at the time and told me she wouldn't get it, so I didn't... that was the ONLY vac I've EVER been asked to get as an adult!!! The only other shot that I was aware that you should stay up to date on is your tetanus (sp?) shot! Sadly I am not, but this is SERIOUSLY the ONLY shot I was even made aware to be up to date on, and that was NOT by a physician!!! There should be more docs taking the time to talk to their adult patients about this! Granted I am one of the uninsured folks that only ever sees my OB when they are insistant... or planned parenthood when I have to...before I had kids I got my annual pap... I hate the US and Insurance!

Nikkole - posted on 03/01/2011

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I Had the H1N1 shot while i was pregnant with my second baby and had no problems and i didn't get the flu year! This year i didn't get the flu shot i didn't really want to pay for it and i ended up getting it and so did my 7month old daughter and she had the flu shot BUT for her the flu wasn't AS sever as what i got! I personally do not want MY vaccinated kids around kids that are not vaccinated (unless they can not get a shot due to allergies) I feel as if something effects EVERYONE around you then you should not have a choice in doing something such as vaccinating your children!

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yeah mainly because of media shit i didn't do H1N1. and all the youtube videos of people who had turned spastic and all that. and i was pregnant. they say to get it when you're pregnant or something but the midwives never told me to. i got the flu shot for work once and after this pregnancy is over i'm getting it again, i get the flu real bad every year and that year i didn't get it as bad.

Nikki - posted on 03/01/2011

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I do agree Kati, when we had the swine flu epidemic here, the media coverage was suffocating, I am not sure if it was a scare tactic to get people to vaccinate or what but it was crazy.

I don't know the exact statistics but a much bigger percentage of the population died of the common flu than the swine flu. I have no problem with the flu shot becoming a mandatory shot on the vaccination schedule, once again as long as you don't have a medical condition restricting you.

The majority of people that die from the flu are either elderly or have underlying medical conditions so you would think that it would make sense to vaccinate at least a very large percentage of the population.

For some reason, I am not sure why it just hasn't been a priority for our government. I would like to think they have a genuine reason and it's not about money, but who knows.

I just looked on our government website, the flu vaccine is only free for those aged 65 and over, so maybe it's a cost thing for many families? In 2002, 56 people died from the flu. (Australia)

Carolyn - posted on 03/01/2011

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i would be curious to know what % of those 200k people hospitalized were vaccinated against the flu, as for those who died.

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the big difference is that around 50 people each year are infected with the measles in the USA, approximately 200,000 people are HOSPITALIZED, not just infected with the flu each year. 36,000 people die from the flu each year. i am simply baffled at the laid back attitude of the flu. it's the worst, most rampid disease out there, and we have the power to stop it, yet here we are, comparing it to the 50 cases a year of measles.

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I'm pregnant at the moment and I would much rather catch the flu off someone who was not vaccinated against it then catch measles off someone who couldn't be bothered to get their kid vaccinated, german measles/rubella can be a death sentence to unborn babies whereas the flu will make you feel like crap for a few days but it's not going to drastically harm your unborn child, I think theres a big difference.

Rosie - posted on 03/01/2011

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kate, you know i'm not talking about the people that cannot get the shot for whatever reason, but those who just choose not to. because it mutates, or whatever bullshit reason people can come up with. yes, i am very aware it mutates, and yes, i am very aware that not every strain is going to be in the vaccine-i got influenza A this year which is not covered under my flu shot. i just don't understand how the whole herd immunity thing doesn't apply to this shitty disease. it would HAVE to help, right? IDK, maybe i'm just bitter from my experiences with the flu it clouds my judgement. but then again, someone wuld feel this way if their kid had to spend a week in the hospital for whooping cough or something, like my kid had to for the flu.



IDK, it's the same damn thing to me. i'm kindof running off topic here. lol! i don't see how you can prove it was an unvaxxed kid at the doctors office that spread the disease, i think it would be unlikely since other peoples kids are vaccinated, and those kids who can't be vaccinated are just shit out of luck apparantly, or treated differently even though they are just as unvaccinated as the kid whose parents think he'll get autism from vaccines.

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Some of us don't qualify for the flu vaccine which is why we don't get it.



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Recently at my daughter's school there were 5 children out sick with the flu. They were the only 5 in the class that had received the flu shot. I think the flu shot is important for those who are high risk but if you're not high risk I don't see the point in getting it. It's also a risk for me to get an injection of any kind (breaking my skin is very dangerous and leads to all sorts of infections for me) so if I'm going to get a shot I want to make sure it's going to do something for me...and the flu shot just may not work if it's not for the "right" strand of the flu.

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the thing with the flu vaccine is that the flu is all ways mutating and changing, and its impossible to effectively vaccinate against. So even if we all went out and got the flu shot based off a certain strain of flu, noone is guaranteed to be protected from getting the flu completely. the other vaccines have been proven to be significantly effective, managing to completely erradicate some illnesses and drastically reduce the frequency of others way beyond the scope of effectiveness of the flu shot. I am a health care provider with mandatory flu vaccines in order to work, if we are unable to be vaccinated, we agree that we have to take a tamiflu regimen in the event of any outbreak, and go home without pay until we are able to get the prescription and begin the regimen. i have seen so many people get vaccinated and then end up with a different strain of the flu... there is a reason you have to get a flu shot every year. because the damned thing mutates and they have to keep making new ones, and by the time that vaccine comes out, it has mutated again. That is why you have to sit beside flu germed people...

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do you get what i'm saying though? :) i'm forced to sit next to people EVERYWHERE that havn't been vaxxed for god knows what. sure they are more likely to be sick at the doctors office, but probably with a virus or strep throat or the FLU. i'm forced to expose my kids to all of you anti-flu vaccine people, and sit there at the doctors office exposed to your flu germs which i'm more likely to die of than any other communicable disease at the moment. why not throw the people who don't vaccinate against the flu in there too? it's the same concept, except to me on somewhat of a higher level of destruction. why is it ok to not vax against flu, but if you don't get the other ones you aren't responsible and thinking of the community or your family? i just don't get it.

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i think the right to personal choice comes to an end when your personal choice can contribute to epidemics and putting other individuals at risk. buut thats just me. I dont think i should have the right to choose to possibly endanger the lives of other people.

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