Dropside cribs outlawed..

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Esther - posted on 12/17/2010

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I haven't read all the posts, but I think it's probably wise that they've been outlawed. There have been WAY too many recalls for dropside cribs in the last few years. Too many to just be written off as "it must be the dumb parents who did it wrong". Sure, the vast majority of kids who were put in dropside cribs were fine. The vast majority of kids who slept on their stomachs growing up were too. My own mother was told by her doctor that she could smoke 10 cigarettes a day while she was pregnant with me. The fact that I lived, and most of the kids who slept on their stomachs didn't die of SIDS and others didn't get suffocated because of a dropside crib doesn't mean that there isn't merrit to changing things now. You live and learn. Or at least we hope we do. As for parents with disabilities or who are short, necessity is the mother of invention. I'm sure manufacturers will now come up with ways to make life easier for those parents in a way that is safer than the current dropside crib.

Mary - posted on 12/19/2010

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Hell, I'm still confused about why people feel so passionately about this. I seriously don't get it.

But, then again, I'm a short girl with a fixed sided crib who somehow survived and didn't drop her kid.

Krista - posted on 12/19/2010

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And sometimes people are gratuitously mean when they really don't know anything about a person.

Anyhoodle, getting back to topic, I agree that a lot of stuff these days is just not made well. And like someone else here said, with those plastic fasteners, you could inspect them thoroughly on a Tuesday and they'd look fine, and then they'd break on a Wednesday and be a danger to your child. Of course we all need to regularly inspect the gear that our children use, but should we have to inspect it every single day? No, I don't believe that we should. I think that if I'm paying several hundred dollars for a crib, I have the right to expect a certain level of reliability and quality.

Needless to say, after my Storkjunk crib was recalled, we just never felt good about using it again, repair clip or no repair clip. I made sure to really do my homework and check Consumer Reports before replacing it, though (he slept in his playpen in the meantime.)

Basically, it's a two-way street. We need to do our homework before buying something that important, and we need to inspect it on a regular basis to make sure all is well, HOWEVER, there is no excuse for manufacturers to keep putting crappy, unreliable shit out there made of particle-board and held together with bubble gum and a prayer.

Krista - posted on 12/19/2010

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All I have to say is.. I pray that your children never face a fatality b/c you fail to realize that it is a parent's responsibility to keep up with a product's wear and tear to make sure it's still safe for their children.

Yeah, that's a really mean thing to say. It's basically akin to saying, "I pray that your poor children survive your craptacular parenting skills, you lazy slattern."

Katherine - posted on 12/15/2010

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My friend had a crib with a sliding panel like thing to get the baby out. It was really cool. Or instead of a drop-side it could open down. There are many other ways to make a crib with out it being dangerous for the baby.

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Isobel - posted on 12/19/2010

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if I stood on a stood and tried to put the baby to the bottom of the crib, I would likely fall in as my center of gravity would be messed up. You really don't understand being short, clearly. You try standing on a chair and then bending way over...

Amie - posted on 12/19/2010

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Alright ladies. I am locking this thread. There has already been a mod warning posted. We may open it again tomorrow, after everyone has had a chance to calm down.

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C. - posted on 12/19/2010

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Ok, people.. THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHORT PEOPLE!!!! FOR CRIPE'S SAKE! IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. SHORT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPTION TO USE A STOOL IF YOU SO CHOOSE. WHAT DO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IN THEIR ARMS HAVE?????????

THAT was the point of this whole damned debate! AND YES, I was yelling that time, for any of you that never know what the difference is between stressing one word and a whole post being yelled..

Isobel - posted on 12/19/2010

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and I just realized that I've never commented on this actual topic...so while I do agree that putting a baby into a non-dropside crib is REALLY hard for short people (like REALLY hard...you are almost dropping the baby in)...if babies are dying, us shorties will have to find another way of getting them into bed. That is all.

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Thats what I've tried to say from the beginning Sherri, and they did put more regulations on the testing but I didn't see anything about going back to metal pieces instead of plastic.

C. - posted on 12/19/2010

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"And I don't give two flying fucks it's a reality, you don't stoop to the level of suggesting someone's kids might die to prove a stupid lame ass point "

Dana, you are always complaining that everyone else has trouble comprehending things..

Let me spell this out for you as slowly as possible. I WAS NOT HITTING 'BELOW THE BELT'. ALL I SAID WAS I PRAY HER CHILDREN DON'T FACE A FATALITY!!!!!

HOW is THAT hitting below the belt???? That's saying that I don't want to see something like that happen to her kids!!!! You are just absolutely freaking ridiculous, you know that? How can that possibly be a 'disgusting' post??

A disgusting post would have been if I said:

'I pray that your kids suffer the same fatalities as those infants that died b/c you fail to realize that product quality needs to be checked at home after an extended period of time from use'. THAT would be disgusting! I do NOT wish that on her or her children, that's why I didn't say that! THAT'S why I said I pray it DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT is NOT disgusting, Dana. That's wishing the best for someone who seemingly didn't see a problem with NOT checking screws and plastic parts periodically. Quit making a mountain out of a molehill!

Jenny - posted on 12/19/2010

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I just used a playpen with Jacob. I couldn't be bothered to shell out hundreds of dollars for a crib I'd use for 12 months. It worked great and if we travelled or camped he had a familiar spot.

Sherri - posted on 12/19/2010

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Hence why they should up the standards not necessarily ban the crib itself. If it had better made rails and hardware it would be absolutely safe. Get rid of the plastic and go back to metal and everyone would have what they need. A safe crib that works for everyone.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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When i didnt wear my seatbelt as a teen my mom would be pissed and yell YOUR GONNA KILL YOUR DAMN SELF PUT YOUR DAMN SEATBELT ON!!!!! i just see it the same way. Trying to get someone to understand the importance. I never listened to my mother, i didnt die but i was in a horrible car accident and wasnt wearing my seatbelt like advised, I have a seven inch scar down the back of my head and was hospitalized for a week. .... maybe my mom should of slapped me across the face and said I WANT YOU TO LIVE SO WEAR YOUR DAMN SEAT BELT ... OR I LOVE YOU SO MUCH I WANT YOU TO KNOW I COULDNT BARE IT IF YOU DIED NOT WEARING YOUR SAFETY BELT .... thats how i see it. Sometimes you gotta be an asshole to get your point across. But then sometimes ... noones going to listen anyways.

Amie - posted on 12/19/2010

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*** MOD Warning ***

Enough ladies. Calm down and stay on topic.

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Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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I agree, Mary. I think that some people are just going to raise a stink any time people suggest or tell them that what they're doing might not be in the best interest for their children or themselves.

Mary - posted on 12/19/2010

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Liz, as I said, I don't feel passionately about this. I got a fixed-sided crib in 2008 because that was pretty much all I saw in the stores around me. I actually just assumed they had already been banned since I had heard the occasional story about a child being injured when the drop side malfunctioned (I honestly didn't research it that much).

I really have no horse in this race, but I am fascinated that it is something people are getting so worked up about - as if fixed-sided cribs are some horrible albatross that have been put out there as a punishment for the short or physically handicapped.

Although, when I think about it, people did carry on like this when they made it mandatory to wear a seatbelt in a moving car.

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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That may be true but, I'd have a bone to pick with anyone who said that to Loureen. ;)

Isobel - posted on 12/19/2010

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Dana and Christina have a special love/hate relationship...don't worry too much about it.

Sherri - posted on 12/19/2010

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She wasn't directly attacking Loreen's children she was saying it as a generalized statement hence why I am not sure why you are taking it so personally Dana.

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Mary- That is great when you have that option. I haven't shopped for a NEW crib for since 2005 and at that point the fixed side cribs were not everywhere like they are now and they weren't in my price range. The ones I did see were quite a bit higher then the ones I've seen lately, and thats also when stores put a REAL one up for display instead of the partial displays they do now in a lot of places.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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In that case i hope her kids dont die either. I would never wish death on anyones children. Maybe shes trying to better inform and get a person to switch their thinking!!!!!!

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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Shauna, seriously...are you reading what I'm talking about, she directed her post to Loureen, she said YOUR kids in her post.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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dont have problems comprehending it at all Dana----- i never saw any names listed or her pointing fingers at anyone in particular.

Isobel - posted on 12/19/2010

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I got one convert in the McDonald's thread, and there were a bunch of converts in the circ threads :)

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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I never said she hopes someone's child dies. I find it odd that you know "exactly" where Christina's coming from yet, you have trouble comprehending my post.

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I totally agree Dana. I don't think a statement like that should ever be directed AT someone.

As far as the screws coming loose, they shouldn't EASILY but that shouldn't change the fact that it needs to be checked. I check my sons crib often but that doesn't mean I have to tight things every time.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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Thats good to hear Laura b/c every post i have been too i havent seen 1. However i only spend a small portion of my day on the computer.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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By the statement she made i see where she is comming from IE: Im a firm believer in no loose bedding in a young infants crib. I work at a Childrens Hospital and see FAR TOO MANY deaths caused by this. In a thread about this subject ppl beat me up over this topic stating blankets dont kill babies yada yada .. my grandma put blankets on her kids ... we have for generations yada yada .... Every year new research is being done for every aspect of safety when new teqniques come out ... why not use them!? when it comes to my childs safety i know i want whats best ... and money isnt a factor when it comes to my childs safety. We all chose to be parents to begin with and knew it wasnt going to be a cheap cost!!!! .. thats all im saying is i see where shes comming from by saying that, and i hardly get the sense that she hopes someones child dies ... she is simply saying babies have died from this and hopefully it wont be yours *meaning anyone who chooses not to check and use modern safety advances.

Isobel - posted on 12/19/2010

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I've seen lots of people change their minds...you need to pay more attention ;)

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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I can speak for Loureen when I say that she knows to check the screws, the point is, screws shouldn't come loose easily unless it's shoddily made.



And I don't give two flying fucks it's a reality, you don't stoop to the level of suggesting someone's kids might die to prove a stupid lame ass point (which isn't relevant in Loureen's case anyhow) in a debating thread. If you find yourself stooping to that level, it's time to step away from the keyboard and ponder why you're taking it so seriously to say such a vile thing.



I'm not directing that at you, Liz, just making a point.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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Someone once told me on a post that people may change or alter their minds about a topic when everyone debates. I dont see that happening ever. Every post i read is arguing back and forth who does something correctly or inccorectly. I have NEVER seen anything change their mind. I have never seen anyone say "your right" i was doing this the wrong way" .... my point being ... when something like this gets carried on this far why cant everyone just walk away. The people that want to keep using recalled products b/c they think its ok are going to keep doing so. The women that chose its safer to use current products that have higher quality safety ratings will continue to do so themselves. No one is going to change their mind.. am i right?

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Its kind of a harsh statement but also very real.

Once a month or so I have to tighten the screws on a door knob, the knobs on dresser drawers, kitchen cupboards, in the fall I have to get my furnace serviced to make sure the fan is working properly, and everything else that requires regular maintenance. I don't see how anyone could think that its different for baby furniture.

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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Her post is directed at Loureen and she says "I pray that your children never face a fatality b/c you fail to realize that it is a parent's responsibility to keep up with a product's wear and tear to make sure it's still safe for their children."
I think it's uncalled for and below the belt.

Shauna - posted on 12/19/2010

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wow..... people. I would hope no ones kids die from owning and using recalled products too.... it think thats all shes saying.

Sherri - posted on 12/19/2010

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NOOOO!! I actually agree with Christina on this one. Hence why I was perplexed by your response.

Dana - posted on 12/19/2010

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To say this:

"All I have to say is.. I pray that your children never face a fatality b/c you fail to realize that it is a parent's responsibility to keep up with a product's wear and tear to make sure it's still safe for their children."



is disgusting to me.



Out of curiosity, were you the one who marked it as funny?

C. - posted on 12/19/2010

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@Loureen: "No one should have to constantly check if screws are coming loose , if this is the case and it is reoccurring than you have purchased a product of poor quality .



Sorry you are still confusing manufacturers responsibility with incorrect usage ."



All I have to say is.. I pray that your children never face a fatality b/c you fail to realize that it is a parent's responsibility to keep up with a product's wear and tear to make sure it's still safe for their children.



It doesn't always have to do with manufacturing. As things are used repeatedly, day in and day out, things start to wear. That also means that screws can come loose, plastic parts can start to warp or crack. If a parent keeps checking, they are likely to catch the problem before something horrible happens to their baby. If they ignore the problem, it can cost them their baby's life.



It's really not that hard to do. Take a few minutes per day to check certain areas, like the dropsides of a dropside crib.. OR you can choose to ignore the fact that no matter how old something is, if it's used constantly it can wear easily no matter the quality of the product and it can cost you your precious little baby..

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Sherri-Thats what your comfortable with though. Most of the parents I know haven't been that lucky and their babies were climbing out between 18-24 months. A friends of mine told me her youngest was climbing out at six months so she had to use a playpen instead a crib (poor thing). My house was set up so I could put a gate at the end of the hall so my kids couldn't go anywhere but my room if they woke up, so toddler beds worked out for me. And their cribs were convertible.

Loureen-You have to check screws on everything just like you have to check the lines on your BBQ, its a fact of life.

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I have to agree with Christina on that one. You do have to check the screws, even on quality products. Over time they do come loose. In fact every month at work we have to check and record cot inspections of all the screws and fastenings etc.

Charlie - posted on 12/18/2010

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It is the manufacturers duty to provide a quality product that meets all safety standards , No one should have to constantly check if screws are coming loose , if this is the case and it is reoccurring than you have purchased a product of poor quality .

Sorry you are still confusing manufacturers responsibility with incorrect usage .

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