'Extended' Breastfeeding in Public Law

Minnie - posted on 05/17/2011 ( 632 moms have responded )

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http://thestir.cafemom.com/toddler/12043...

"Brace yourself, the Breastfeeding Police are at it again in Georgia. This time they've locked their sights on slutty exhibitionist moms who dare to think they can feed their 2-year-old in public and get away with it.

What is going on down there? Have all the peaches gone bad? First a Georgia school district banned breastfeeding for students and teachers. And now a town council in Forest Park has equated extended breastfeeding to public indecency.

Look, I get it. Not everyone is comfortable with nursing moms -- and they may never be, no matter how much they read up on it. But we all have things that are perfectly legal that we really don't like, that we have no right to impede upon.

Logic, more than emotion, goes into the acceptance of a lot of things outside your lifestyle choices. But this!? The 'Logic Train' to Georgia has definitely derailed.

In an attempt to "control public nudity," they've decided that nursing a child over the age of 2 will no longer be covered by the state law that excludes nursing women from being charged with indecent exposure. So for right now, my toddler and my nursing relationship is wholesome ... but in two months, suddenly it goes from me nursing her to illegal public nudity?

How is this legal? I was fairly sure city laws couldn't contradict state laws ... from what I can tell, Forest Park isn't a 'Home Rule' city either, so this shouldn't even carry weight! Their previous law only had rules about adult entertainment businesses, but I guess these "slutty" moms of toddlers have been causing quite a ruckus? You know, taking out a breast to feed a toddler and all ... unless there are tassels involved, all I'm seeing is a giant waste of time and resources, and a really crappy message to women who've made it that long in the first place.

Imagine if pacifier use suddenly became illegal, or your baby's favorite stuffed animal or sippy cups, in public ... same deal to a toddler, by the way, give or take some nutrition and whatnot. Since when is breastfeeding damaging to society?

And I thought Tennessee had issues with its own restrictive breastfeeding law, preventing the public nursing of a child over 1, which they at least managed to fix. Between this and the Georgia school district banning breastfeeding, it's no surprise Georgia is only a tiny step above Tennessee with a pathetic 9.7 percent of babies being exclusively breastfed until only 6 months.

Look, when my daughter turns 2, there's no magic jump. It's not the Sims here -- she doesn't spin around and magically turn into a child with spurts of confetti, and suddenly all my interactions with her change accordingly. I'll nurse her the day before her birthday, on it, and the day after, and aside from a fun party in there, and her being RIGHT when she answers, "TWO!" when asked how old she is, nothing else changes. It certainly doesn't magically make my breasts sex objects.

Oh Georgia ... how long until this gets retracted? For being in a part of the country with the highest rates of obesity and diabetes, and ranked 43rd in overall health, you really can't afford to punish women and their children who've succeeded in something HEALTHY and GOOD. And, much less can you afford to try to link breastfeeding to something sexual, perverted, or damaging -- a message that has a much further reach and heavier impact than just this law.

If you want to let them know what you think, send a message, email, or call City Hall yourself. Maybe thousands of emails that say that the World Health Organization and multiple Surgeons General recommend 2 as a minimum -- not max -- might help get the point across? Be proactive!

What do you think of Forest Park's law?"

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Dana - posted on 05/18/2011

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Mel Heath - posted 1 minute ago

once again smacking is a little different to needing to stick your boob in your toddlers mouth

I agree....there's no need to smack your child, where as they DO need to eat. :D

Jodi - posted on 05/18/2011

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I think, for those who seem to think 2 year olds don't need to be breastfed in public, we should keep in mind that not all breastfeeding takes place in shopping malls. We are talking banning it EVERYWHERE. What if you were stuck in the airport overnight? Nope, can't breastfeed your screaming toddler. What if you were out for dinner, and it is around bedtime, and it is the only way to get your toddler to settle down before leaving the restaurant and getting him home to bed? Nope, sorry, you just have to take your screaming toddler home. In the hospital emergency room? Nope, no can do.



By banning a 2 year old from breastfeeding in public, they are essentially banning it in EVERY SINGLE SITUATION. It doesn't matter whether you agree that a 2 year old should be breastfeeding or not. I personally wouldn't breastfeed my 2 year old, but that's me. But I also personally don't believe it is hurting anyone. I CAN see, however, that by putting legislation in place to ban it, there are circumstances that it would very much put a breastfed 2 year old in an unfair situation.



IMO, unless it is harmful to a child (or in some way related to a child's safety), I don't think ANY parenting choice should be within the realms of government legislation.

Krista - posted on 05/20/2011

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Sure, breasts have a sexual function. So do our mouths. When you think of it, many of us have probably done much more sexual things with our mouths than we have with our breasts. And yet, we're allowed to expose our mouths in public, and we're allowed to kiss our children without people freaking out.

It just goes to show that it's really kind of arbitrary.

You may think it's a poor comparison, because the mouth's primary function is not sexual.

But neither is the breast's. Its primary function is to feed babies. It seems kind of odd for us to allow its secondary function to interfere with its primary function, no?

Jaime - posted on 05/18/2011

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Let's pan out for a minute and look at this from a relativistic POV. If we were in a third-world country, I'm betting that the majority of us would not take issue with seeing a child that looks older than age 2 suckling from his mother's breast...right? So why is that image, when transplanted back into thriving cultures, such an offensive and unnecessary scenario? Why, because we have access to formula and a plethora of nutrient-rich foods and our kids aren't starving so they should be cut from the breast at a very specific time in their early toddler life? What mindset leads us to the assumption that just because we are from thriving cultures, we should always be fast-tracking and 'improving' on the methods we use to feed and nurture our children. There's nothing wrong with the breast as a source of nutrients AND comfort AND sexual pleasure when the day is done. The time line at which a child is weaned from the breast seems to be at the height of argument here, along with feeding in public while not cowered under a blanket as if to suggest some kind of shame should be felt for the act of feeding one's child. Strip away all of the socially-agrandized notions of the female body and you're left with tissue, glands and skin. What YOU personally add to the image of a breast is an internal and subjective image, created from the experiences and knowledge you've collected and been subjected to by family, friends and your community...but it's never going to be as simple as saying "I think it's wrong" and having that be a good enough reason to outlaw what is noted as THE best source of nutrients for a newborn baby for AS LONG as that baby is in need of it. And there are many women that leave the time line up to the child and some that make that choice themselves (usually based on personal comfort or a return to work). Either way you squeeze it, the breast is NOT the enemy in this debate or out there in the park when you're walking by with your family and your kids curiously inquire "what's that lady doing?". You won't break down any walls or debunk the gross misunderstandings about breastfeeding by ignoring the fact that what that lady is doing is a completely acceptable, natural, healthy and unquestionably GOOD thing for her child.

Tara - posted on 05/18/2011

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Mel why is it disturbing to you that a 2 year old can't wait until bed time for a boob? And the better question is who is being disturbed? You? Do you sit around during the day being disturbed by the fact there are thousands of babies in your city nursing before bed time?
And on that note, if your 2 year old is tired from walking, would you tell them "no you have to walk I'm not going to carry you for another 30 minutes or so.
If your toddler was tired from a day out, even if they had a nap, would you say "No you are not going to nap again, you will only nap when I say so."
There is nothing unhealthy about a 2 year old having a boob, whenever and wherever he/she chooses and whenever/wherever his/her mother chooses to feed them.

And as for instant gratification, oh my goodness, how awful to teach young children that yes their needs can be met when they need to be met. Delayed gratification is a skill learned later in childhood, usually beginning with small things and leading up to things of greater importance. And delaying a toddler's very basic need to nurse whether it's for physical nourishment/comfort or for emotional nourishment/comfort is probably more harmful to that kid than them "getting" their way when it comes to boobage.
Embarrassed? Uncomfortable? Icked out?
Get a blanket and cover your head. Or go in the can and wait for the offender to cover up. Or don't go out.
But DON'T tell me that nursing my baby or toddler is unhealthy and making you uncomfortable and because of that I should go elsewhere or cover up. And don't tell me that it is unhealthy to nurse on demand.
Mel.... your knowledge or lack of knowledge regarding breastfeeding is evident in all posts regarding such. Until you are willing to educate yourself more on what the general global community says about breastfeeding, solids, extended nursing etc. I would suggest that you keep your "information" to yourself about breastfeeding. Ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power.
Either become knowledgeable or stay ignorant but don't try to come across as correct or factual about breastfeeding cause you aren't.

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Jodi - posted on 01/05/2012

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"If you choose to EBF why not cover up, go somewhere private, or pump? WHy add fuel to the fire? That is what I don't understand. "

Nikki J, I just want to start by saying, it's not you personally on debating on this quote...it's the quote in general because heaven knows you are not the first, only or last person to feel or think precisely this way.

So, replace EBF with NUK, or sippy cup. I hate seeing a child about 2 years old or older with a NUK in their mouth. Why can't those moms just go somewhere private, or cover it up or...idk...just not use it in public? Same with the multitude of 4 year olds I see using sippy cups, again...go somewhere private, cover it up or teach your kid to use a cup (I realize most 4 year olds can use a "real" cup but use a sippy cup for convenience). I don't like seeing those things, I don't agree with them...but I respect a mother's right to use them as she sees fit. I would never actually suggest she hide it away. Is the difference solely then that it's my breasts? Big deal, I see way more tits on "fully dressed" women than on myself when I nurse. I see pants hanging down showing off thong, no laws against that though.

In short, I think the law is crap and should be done away with. Live and let live...don't like the way someone else chooses to live...then don't live that way...pretty simple.

Tina - posted on 01/05/2012

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maybe they should ban low cut tops, bikini and short skirts honestly their are more offensive things then breast feeding. Why do people feel it's their right to get involved in something that has nothing to do with them. If you're uncomfortable with a woman breast feeding look away. How many women feel uncomfortable when their man is eye balling someone in short shorts or a mini skirt. Yet they're perfectly legal. People just aren't right in the brain.

Samantha - posted on 01/04/2012

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World Pediatric suggest that a woman breastfeed babies till at least 2 years of age!
Oh and a nice video clip that needs to be aired on tv again.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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Starting breastfeeding is really hard, but if you get over the learning part it get easier, and I felt lazy sometimes :) but not in a bad way of course. It's not lazy parenting, but it sure is relaxing!

Stifler's - posted on 06/20/2011

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I don't see how it's lazy parenting to breastfeed. I could not do it. It was too hard.

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Sigh...Heather...what part of the South are you in? I don't see people being more modest here. Yes, I've traveled other places. I DO see plenty of sexualization here. And that is the problem with the law. It equates breastfeeding with public indecency and nudity.

Nicole - posted on 06/20/2011

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Oh dear! Here's my hormones again!!! It's coming.... The surge of curse words flying through my head!



Instead of throwing random curse words through the universe of cyber-space, I'll just say that I am so tired of this debate. I'm tired of the breastfeeding being acceptable or not acceptable debate... Then you add age into the mix and those that are uncomfortable with the thought of breastfeeding just become MORE uncomfortable. And they LOVE to use fancy words and double talk like "I'm okay with breastfeeding, but...." Or "discreet". Or "private". You know what this says to me? That your original few words "I'm okay with breastfeeding" are just a lie. You are not totally okay with breastfeeding because you choose to put limits on it. You want women to hide when they are doing it. You think that a child aged x suddenly realizes that breastfeeding is sexual even though they have no idea what sex even is. Why? Because that's what one does when they equate breastfeeding to sex or indecency. Get over it, stop perverting the function of MY breasts, and look away because I am going to use MY breasts for what they were intended to do and that's to breastfeed my *gasp* 20 month old! Any other thing that I use my breasts for is up to me.



I see more cleavage in the tops that many women wear in public than I do when breastfeeding in public. And guess what? I'm not trying to get attention with my breasts (as some would like to believe), but the women wearing a shirt with her cleavage busting out, is most likely looking for just that! Either that, or she just doesn't see anything wrong with the sight of breasts and that's okay, too. I am, at least, using my breasts to nurture a child and better his health (and mine!). Not to mention, lowering the health care costs for my fellow men and women who think I should be shunned for doing so.



AND my 20 month old is perfectly capable with eating utensils, sippy cups, regular cups, straws, and eats and drinks everything in sight and STILL wants to breastfeed right after! So, stop stereotyping women who let their children wean naturally. We are not lazy, incompetent, selfish parents, who just stuff a boob in our child's mouth instead of actually parenting. There may be some breastfeeding women who are like that but they are not the rule. Stereotyping and prejudice does nothing but divide and hurt.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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Vicki, I like to say 'full term breastfeeding' as opposed to 'extended breastfeeding"

Vicki - posted on 06/20/2011

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Just skimmed the beginning and end of this debate. What a ludicrous law! Here in Australia I guess I'm approaching what is called 'extended' breastfeeding, my boy will be 2 at the start of July. I don't think it's such a big issue here though, I haven't had a negative comment or look yet. I breastfeed anywhere and everywhere. Never covered myself in cloth, no way he would tolerate that anyway! I actually don't like the term 'extended', it assumes you are doing something beyond the normal. Breastfeeding a child until they are ready to stop themselves is biologically normal for our species. You know what is weirder? Drinking the milk of other animals, we are the only species that does this.

I find some suggestions kinda insane and showing a complete lack of understanding about breastfeeding toddlers. Expressing is not an option for many of us. I don't get a let down to a pump anymore and besides, my boy has never drunk expressed milk. He always spits it out, I donated to a friend when I went back to work. Now he's older, not feeding as much and my supply has dropped a bit I don't pump at work. Also, pumping is a pain, who wants to do it if they don't have to? He feeds for comfort as well as nutrition. Yes we bond in other ways, cuddles, talking, whatever, but why deny him this when he still needs it? It's the fastest way to calm him down if he's upset, at home or while we are out.

Putting a cut off age for breastfeeding in public implies that there is something morally wrong with breastfeeding altogether, or that it's akin to urinating or having sex. Why is this suddenly the case at age 2? It's not. There's no difference, frankly if it bothers you put a blanket over your head. Modestly isn't really an issue. I've never seen a breastfeeding mother sit down, take her clothes off to her waist, flap her gigantic bosoms in the direction of her toddler and shout, 'Here Jimmy boy, come and get your booby milk!'. Most people can't even tell that I'm feeding. Toddlers usually feed much faster than babies, my boy is usually all done in less than five minutes.

I think the lawmakers in this particular area are concerned with what they THINK breastfeeding a toddler in public is like, rather than how it actually is.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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And I walked through the grocery store while nursing my baby yesterday! No cover, no fancy undershirts. Just pulled up my shirt and latched her on and kept on shopping with the family! Most people looked at me, then at her, then continued on their way. Idk if they noticed I was nursing or not, but you could see a good deal of my back and belly if you looked.....
Idk, no one here cares. Good old farm country :)

Heather - posted on 06/20/2011

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Every region/ society has their own code of ethics and what they think is right or wrong. Some of us in the South are more modest than those living other places. I can absolutely see how seeing a walking toddler nurse could be embarassing and disturbing. I cannot imagine my father-in-law or older male relatives seeing me nurse in public! Most of the women I know, including myself who breastfed went into nursing rooms when in public, or at the very least were very secretative about the process. I can't see doing that with a two year old.
This may shock sensibilities of people living in other places, but laws are made by and for the people living there. Be aware of differences.

Heather - posted on 06/20/2011

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Every region/ society has their own code of ethics and what they think is right or wrong. Some of us in the South are more modest than those living other places. I can absolutely see how seeing a walking toddler nurse could be embarassing and disturbing. I cannot imagine my father-in-law or older male relatives seeing me nurse in public! Most of the women I know, including myself who breastfed went into nursing rooms when in public, or at the very least were very secretative about the process. I can't see doing that with a two year old.
This may shock sensibilities of people living in other places, but laws are made by and for the people living there. Be aware of differences.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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I think he will naturally transition to other forms of comfort, but I'm going to let him be the guide. I do encourage him to just cuddle or hug instead of always asking to nurse, but that's just for my personal comfort as I don't like constantly nursing him. But he is still younger then the minimum for the natural weaning age so he has time yet :)
I think it's important that I not push him away and let him see that his sister gets what he is being denied.
Besides, I've got two boobs, why not!

Minnie - posted on 06/20/2011

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BTW, we were just at a cafe yesterday after taking the girls on go-karts (they loved it!) and as I was nursing my almost three year old in the booth I happened to look to my right and what was practically in my face, but a huge hairy man's sweaty crack. LOL.



What did I do? I looked at something else. I didn't like it, so I chose to look elsewhere.

Minnie - posted on 06/20/2011

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I am nursing a soon to be three year old. She's not ready to wean because she just loves it too much. It doesn't hinder me and it hasn't affected her social development. And she has no one to compete with in that department. It just works for us :).

I've never expressed my milk for two breastfed children and I'm not about to start now. If we're out and about and she wants to nurse it's completely second nature for us and doesn't hold us up at all. A two minute thing and we're on our way.

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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Is he wanting the comfort because he feels you are giving his comfort and love to the new baby. Maybe it is time to find a new way to bond with him. If that is what he is craving, he may be ready to stop nursing and have a different bonding experience where he doesn't feel threatened by another child. Just a suggestion.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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It's not the milk he wants, it's the comfort, the familiarity, the closeness, the attention, the bond he wants.
He nurses because it feels right to him, I continue because it's healthy for him.
I've actually given him pumped milk once recently, he said, "hmm? Thats not water!" And he put it down and asked for water.
To him nursing is a way I show him love, not just a way to eat.

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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So even though you are nursing a 2yo and a 1 month old you don't think you could give him your milk in a sippy to help him transition. That would leave more avaiability for your new baby whose only source of nutrition is your breast. Again, it is just an opinion though.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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Oh and as for doing it for mom or for child, trust me, almost always it's for the child. My son asks to nurse all day and honestly I'd love for him to cut back a bit. I'm nursing my one month old too so it would be nice if my two year old would cut down his feeds a bit.
I've never denied him foods and drinks, and yet he prefers my milk. He will eat a full dinner and still beg for nursing.
Everything I do with him is because I believe it's in his best interest. And that includes not forcing him to wean before he is ready. And not denying him nursing just because some stranger might have issues.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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Because it's a ridiculous fire. Breasts are designed to produce milk for our babies, there's no point where the milk becomes bad, there's no point where nursing directly from the breast becomes bad for their health.
There's no expiration date on my boobs so why should I deny my child what my body makes just for him?
Because some stranger might not like seeing it?
Why would they not like seeing it? As I said boobs are for feeding your kids, anything else is secondary.

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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I don't think that anybody has a right to make a law that says you can or cannot do something you feel is important in raising your child. But just as spanking bothers some people, BF a toddler in public can bother people, I think it is important if you do choose that, that you take that into consideration and be aware of other people's feelings. It is important to make sure that nutrition is there I just don't see why it has to be a big fight about it. The law is wrong, plain and simple, not because I agree with EBF (I don't) but because it infreinges on your right as a mother to choose what is best for your child.

If you choose to EBF why not cover up, go somewhere private, or pump? WHy add fuel to the fire? That is what I don't understand.

Minnie - posted on 06/20/2011

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I don't think your opinion is wrong- that's non-contestable and is yours. But we can't be imposing our opinions, which are nothing more than that, upon people when the action we have an opinion about isn't harmful.

Clearly the women you personally know are a little odd. I assure you though that I have not met a single mother like that and believe me when I say I personally know MANY mothers of nursing toddlers.

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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Not all of them, but I know some who do. I am just saying, I understand the nutritional benefit, but why does it have to be direct BF at that age, why not pump and put it in a sippy. Why do you think that is the wrong opinion to have?

One of the mom's that EBFs actually told me she still BF because she can take in more calories and not have to work out as much to keep the weight off, bc she BF. That does NOT sound like she is doing it in the child's interest.

My kids are 2.5 and 1.5 both are eating table food take vitamins daily and drink whole milk. I don't see why people get so upset about not BF toddlersin public, when all you have to do is go somewhere private, even your own car if need be.

Minnie - posted on 06/20/2011

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And I believe you're wrong about that 'natural time for transition' based on the work of various anthropologists. It appears to be somewhere between 2.5 and 7.



I honestly have never met a mother who refused her toddler adult foods. Do you really think that mothers that you see nursing a toddler in public are doing that?

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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NO, and I wouldn't. That is my point. I know moms who only give toddlers breastmilk because they don't want them to "like" the other milk and stop BF. A few of them have even admitted that they don't want to give up BF not that the child has an issue stopping. I believe there is a natural time for transition somewhere btw 9 months and 2 years. I don't understand why some people feel the need to BF to 2,3,4,5 years old. or if they are really doing it for the child's benefit.

Minnie - posted on 06/20/2011

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why does it matter if it comes directly from the source.

Exactly. Don't seek to control someone else's life just because you don't like the way it looks. Good grief. Breastfeeding a toddler is not harmful to the nursing dyad and it certainly isn't going to make you black out and convulse.

Merry - posted on 06/20/2011

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Obviously you have never breastfed a two year old right Nikki! You can't understand til you've been there.

Nikki - posted on 06/20/2011

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I am sorry,but I think it is a little out there to BF a toddler. If you want them to get the nutrition, pump and put it in a sippy. As long as they are getting the nutrition why does it matter if it comes directly from the source. I take no issue with BF an infant in public but a 2 yo should be drinking water and whole milk in assition to breast milk. I don't see the problem with this law.

Nicky - posted on 06/20/2011

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I think making a law about breastfeeding is ridiculous.

But then again, they outlaw using cellphones while driving, but nothing about using an ipod, or police using the RT - which essentially is more difficult than using a phone (for the record i do NOT use my phone while driving... just making a point)

people are employed to make laws, and they will have targets to reach, and bonuses to achieve, so when times are slow, there will be ridiculous laws created.

Just like when the front page of the news is a celebrity doing something stupid, really? the news? the actual news? nothing else going on in the world?



My opinion is that BF your child is a bond between you and your child and when they get to a certain age, it should be restricted in public for you and your child's privacy, but thats just me. I stopped BF'ing at 9 months after my little girl had 4 teeth already and decided to chew... OW, i had intended to feed for a year, im not big on BF'ing longer than that, but like I say, each to their own

its not nice seeing a kid running up to mum and pulling on her top or saying 'mum, milky, titty please' but thats me feeling for the mother, not the situation, and I sure as hell wouldnt think that laws should dictate that situation.

OhJessie - posted on 06/07/2011

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It is a horrendous law and absolutely needs to be abolished. There's no excuse for it.

Jodi - posted on 06/03/2011

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Best of luck with that Natalie - I am assuming it will only be helpful if local people sign it?

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Change can happen with you help! Sign the petition! https://www.change.org/petitions/stop-new-city-law-that-limits-breastfeeding-in-public

Isobel - posted on 05/25/2011

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Nobody "needs to". You want to because it's the fastest easiest way to calm them...that's a long way away from "need".

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In my opinion, it doesn't matter that this toddler doesn't need breast milk for nutrition. It doesn't matter that she could be breasfed at home. It doesn't matter that I don't need this hamburger for nutrition. It doesn't matter that I could eat it at home. It's MY RIGHT to eat in public, just as it's my right to breastfeed a toddler in public (assuming I have a breastfeeding toddler, which I don't)

It's all about rights, not all about breastfeeding per se.

Merry - posted on 05/25/2011

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Lacye, have you breastfed a two year old?
If memory serves me I think you haven't, and until you have you won't really understand why you could "need" to nurse your two year old in public. Two year olds are quite needy and breastfed ones know your milk is right there, they don't get the whole 'in public' issue :)

Amanda - posted on 05/25/2011

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Sorry my Canadian election comment wasnt meant to start a new debate its just the freshest election in my mind. My point was that just because a person is in power it doesnt mean that most people agree with their policies. It actually doesnt even come close to most people agreeing. As votes get split up between partys, as well USA and Canada both have HORRIBLE voting records of not even 50% of voters actually coming out to vote. For example our last election was barely 30% of voters actually voted.

So you cant keep saying that clearly this is what people want in GA because the elected officials want it.

Amanda - posted on 05/24/2011

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It's not just about breastfeeding -- it's about the right to not be harassed for parenting.

Amanda - posted on 05/24/2011

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It's not just about breastfeeding -- it's about the right to not be harassed for parenting.

Minnie - posted on 05/22/2011

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I know you weren't saying that or that YOU think it is disgusting. I was just saying that Joe Shmoe can't place arbitrary limitations on age. Because everyone has a different perception as to what is acceptable. If the government thinks that breastfeeding toddlers contribute to public indecency, then they should ban NIP altogether, because a mother of a newborn is much more likely to expose some skin. And there ARE some people who DO think that we shouldn't nurse in public at all. And because so many have said that it isn't necessary to nurse a two year old that this law is fairly acceptable- I say that by those standards it isn't necessary to nurse a much younger child, either.



It's discriminatory, plain and simple. And it doesn't protect mothers from abuse because it is abuse, itself.

Lacye - posted on 05/22/2011

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That is not what I'm saying at all. I'm not saying nursing in public should be illegal all together. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against it. I just don't think it is necessary after the age of 2. I never said it was disgusting. I never said to pump. I never said the age should be reduced. But I think I'm going to sit the rest of this debate out since I'm apparently not making myself clear enough. Either that or I'm being misunderstood. Either way, yall have fun.

Minnie - posted on 05/22/2011

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The AAP only recommends ONE year of breastfeeding (and for as long as mutually desired afterwards).



So in the US, most people think that children do not need to nurse over 12 months. Many think it's unecessary (and even disgusting) to be breastfeeding an 18 month old.



Perhaps because the AAP does not say a minimum of two years breastfeeding that we should decrease the age this law draws the line at to 12 months? Because they don't solely depend on mother's milk 'like a newborn' does?



Heck, let's reduce it to nine months in public, because I've heard of plenty of mothers reducing their infant's breastfeeding to two or three sessions a day by then. They're not depending on it like a newborn does.



Or-! Since we still can live and be healthy on formula, perhaps we should just make NIP illegal completely! Because a breast is a breast is a breast- (and no one wants to see a brand-new mother with engorged milk-drippy soppy breasts)- we could bring bottles of formula for when we're out. Or at least pump, like so many anti-NIP people tell us to do.

Lacye - posted on 05/22/2011

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I'm not saying people have to give in. I'm just saying that while change might not happen right away, it will eventually happen. I'm not saying that they should give up. As I have said before, they aren't talking about banning it all together, just for children over 2 and in public. People can do it at home all they want to. Just not in public. I don't see a big deal about not breastfeeding a 2 year old in public. They don't solely depend on mother's milk like a newborn or an infant does. They are old enough to get their nutrition from other food. Mothers can still breastfeed at home if they choose to but I don't see where it is necessary to breastfeed a 2 year old in public.

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Ah, the old "give in to the bully" tactic, yeah, that works real well...

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"But if a woman is going to be out in public breastfeeding a toddler, then there are going to be some comments about how horrible it is that she is breastfeeding the poor child and how trashy it looks. Now I'm not saying that is what I think about it, because I don't but there are going to be people like that and they will make comments to purposely hurt the mother. So yeah. I would rather it not be allowed in public than have somebody verbally abused because they are doing something that is perfectly natural."

To second what Sara said... Or homosexuals should just never come out in public because there are some serious homophobes who would have hurtful things to say. Or overweight and obese people should stay home and never come out in public. Or someone with a birth defect.... You get my point.... If you truly believe that breastfeeding is only natural then you would feel it is right to stand up for those that are breastfeeding, not supporting a system that discriminates against them.

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"But if a woman is going to be out in public breastfeeding a toddler, then there are going to be some comments about how horrible it is that she is breastfeeding the poor child and how trashy it looks. Now I'm not saying that is what I think about it, because I don't but there are going to be people like that and they will make comments to purposely hurt the mother. So yeah. I would rather it not be allowed in public than have somebody verbally abused because they are doing something that is perfectly natural."

Then that's when it is our job, as fellow citizens, to stand up for her rights, not give in to the bullies. If I saw someone being rude and disrespectful to a mother who was nursing her toddler, you better believe I would say something. Just because some people are uncomfortable with it, doesn't give them the right to be ass-holes and harass some mother and child.

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Sara's right. If the people of Georgia who feel this is wrong, sit back and wait with their hands in their laps for the southern states to become "less stuffy", they're going to be waiting a damn long time.

Oftentimes, societal change requires that people stand up and demand that change, even if it makes people a little bit uncomfortable.

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And how will change happen? By little ole people like us standing up to try to change it.

And by the logic of your last paragraph, Black people should have just stayed at the back of the bus, so they wouldn't be verbally or physically abused by racists.

Lacye - posted on 05/21/2011

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Sara: I'm not saying it's a good thing. But it is the way it is. Things will eventually change but at it's own pace. When the southern states become less stuffy, then there will be a significant change. You can try to change it if you want. I'm not saying you can't but I just don't see much change coming.

Jodi: They aren't talking about banning breastfeeding past the age of 2 all together. Just in public. But if a woman is going to be out in public breastfeeding a toddler, then there are going to be some comments about how horrible it is that she is breastfeeding the poor child and how trashy it looks. Now I'm not saying that is what I think about it, because I don't but there are going to be people like that and they will make comments to purposely hurt the mother. So yeah. I would rather it not be allowed in public than have somebody verbally abused because they are doing something that is perfectly natural.

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