Extended Rear Facing: Safer or just ridiculous

Celeste - posted on 03/10/2011 ( 170 moms have responded )

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What are your thoughts on extended rear facing? Cooking dinner and then going for a run! Will be back later!

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Minnie - posted on 03/11/2011

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My 38 inch 2 1/2 year old is still rear facing. The safety issue has to do with bone ossification and head weight to body ratio. After 3 1/2 years bone ossification of the spine and the head to body ratio is closer to an adults.Younger than that, the risk of internal decapitation is much higher for a forward facing child.

Sneaky - posted on 03/13/2011

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@Donna, I had a long conversation with my local car seat fitter a few months ago about weight limits - his OPINION is that most of the rearward facing car seats on the Australian market that are safety tested to 12kg, are actually safe up to 16-18 kg but because the Australian standard only requires they go up to 12kg most manufacturers do not test beyond that weight limit. So you can contact your car seat manufacturer and see if they have done safety testing for their seats above 12kg.

April - posted on 03/12/2011

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my husband turned the carseat back to RF again!! yipee!!!!!!!

Sneaky - posted on 03/12/2011

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More Aussie info - the Australian Standard is the ONLY one in the world that requires rearward facing car seats to be tethered to the rear of the vehicle. If you can imagine your rearward facing infant seat, with the straps that go over the top (and always get in the way), over the back of the car seat that they are sitting on and attach to an anchor point in the rear of the vehicle.

The extend rear facing seats from overseas do not meet the Australian standard because they do not anchor to the rear of the vehicle, the tethers come down from the front of the seat and can anchor to the bottom of the car seat in front of where the child car seat is.

So far all the information I have been able to find about having your child 'inappropriately' strapped in has suggested that the penalties are the same as for having a passenger who is not wearing a seat belt - these are different in each state. I did find one website that specifically stated it was ILLEGAL (it was in bold too) to have a car seat in use in Australia that did not meet the standard - but failed to provide information about the particular law you (general you!) would be breaking.

One Swedish car seat that rear faces up to 25kg is actually available in New Zealand - it would probably be cheaper to ship one from there than from Sweden :o)

My husband is a fanatic about the rearward facing thing - there are Volvo's that come standard with a third row that are rearward facing overseas. He is yet to identify if that Volvo is available in Aus with the third row rear facing. (we currently have a station wagon with a third row that we can legally carry our four year old in - it is currently forward facing but he thinks it might be legal to turn it around rear facing - he has yet to find a specific law against it!).

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4cm, for all of those interested. That's less than 2 inches. What is 4am? The length your baby's head has to stretch for the spinal cord to snap. 6 months to turn a baby FF disgusts me to no end and I am saddened that AUS is so behind in this one.

Even before doing any research, I thought 6mo was far too young. A kid can barely hold his head up at that age. My boys were turned around just after their second birthday, begrudgingly. A great source of info is a Swedish site www.carseat.se. Swedes, who invented the seatbelt and most car safety features, have been using carseats since the 60s, and what's even more shocking is that their infant/child death toll from accidents is... ZERO! They RF until a minimum 4 years, but typically until SEVEN. They are the leaders in car safety, bar none, so that's who I looked to for advice on ERF.

I'm not sure why my fellow Aussies couldn't buy a seat from o/s, because you can buy a seat from Sweden. Doesn't have the AUS sticker, true. If you're caught you'll probably get a fine, true. But I've had friends who have bought seats from carseats.se.

Here's a other interesting fact, the swedes also put their RF babies in the front passenger seat! They just turn off the air bag first. Their notion is that most car safety devices have been geared toward the front of the car, so wouldn't you put your most precious cargo where it's the safest? My airbags can't be turned off unfortunately.

Now, I know someone is going to ask why my boys aren't RF given that I could buy a seat from Sweden and am a huge proponent of ERF. My answer is because I'm working on a device to keep kids' heads safe whilst FF. Thankfully my boys are willing guinea pigs. Thankfully, I don't actually have to use them as crash test dummies for impact testing.

As a lot of people have already said, the height restriction is for the top of the seat. If your child's head is within 1 in (2.5 cm) from the top of the seat, it's time to look into a new seat. As for a 10 yr shelf life, I'm not sure I would be trusting that. Motorbike helmets (made of much the same material as carseats) have a 5 yr expiration date because the material degrades over time and with our harsh climate that process is a bit faster than other places. So 5 hrs for a helmet, but if it's been in a. Rash it's rubbish. Of course that's the same with a carseat... Rubbish after an accident, even if there's no obvious sign of damage. The problem with using a 10 yr old seat is that 1) standards for materials were different back then, 2) safety requirements were different and 3) it's been through the equivalent of 10 years worth of use.

Recap, Swedes typically RF until age 7, have been using carseats since the 60s, and have a child car accident death toll of ZERO. Worth looking into how they can achieve that, since I know it's not because they care about their kids more than any of us do.

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I think if our carseats were mae the same and tethered the same we would probably do the whole extended RF.

Merry - posted on 03/16/2011

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Melissa, Casey, Aussie moms!
I totally understand how it sounds weird from where your sitting to rearfce so long. So I'm going to post some pics of kids rearfacing past 2,3,4 years.
Just so you have an idea of how it works etc :)

Casey - posted on 03/16/2011

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I agree with you Melissa I don't know many kids that are still in rearward facing carseats after around 6+ months cause they are just to long, I was told by the health nurse that once his feet were touching the seat and his head was sitting just above the carseat that it was no longer safe so thats why I turned him around, I'm just suprised that some kids still fit in them at one or two years of age thats why I think America must have very different types of carseats to us, my son has always been a big boy and tall too and there is no way on earth he would have fitted in a rearward facing carseat at the age of one.

Becky - posted on 03/15/2011

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I admit, I've turned into a bit of a car seat nazi since having kids. I'm sure my husband gets sick of me pointing out every carseat violation I see when we're driving! The worst though, is we have good friends who don't use their carseats properly. They don't tighten the straps properly, and the other night they were over for supper and had their newborn daughter in a thick, fluffy snowsuit inside the infant seat. There was no way her straps were tight enough over that! Not to mention, it wasn't even that cold and they had one of those bundle me things in there too. Poor kid was probably majorly overheated. My husband has tried to talk to them about the straps not being tight enough, but they don't listen. Aaargh! You just think, "these are your kids' lives you're messing with!" They're good parents, I just don't understand how people can ignore such an important safety issue!
My brother and sister-in-law were up visiting this summer and we lent them our infant seat. They were driving out of town with my parents, to go to a wedding, and were rear-ended, hard enough to total my dad's van and blow the glass out of the rear windshield. My 3 month old niece and my mom were sitting in the third row of the van, my niece properly secured in a rear-facing carseat. She was completely uninjured, other than a small bruise from the chest clip of the seat. My mom had pretty bad whiplash. Still think carseats don't matter? (not that anyone's actually saying they don't...)

Becky - posted on 03/15/2011

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I admit, I've turned into a bit of a car seat nazi since having kids. I'm sure my husband gets sick of me pointing out every carseat violation I see when we're driving! The worst though, is we have good friends who don't use their carseats properly. They don't tighten the straps properly, and the other night they were over for supper and had their newborn daughter in a thick, fluffy snowsuit inside the infant seat. There was no way her straps were tight enough over that! Not to mention, it wasn't even that cold and they had one of those bundle me things in there too. Poor kid was probably majorly overheated. My husband has tried to talk to them about the straps not being tight enough, but they don't listen. Aaargh! You just think, "these are your kids' lives you're messing with!" They're good parents, I just don't understand how people can ignore such an important safety issue!
My brother and sister-in-law were up visiting this summer and we lent them our infant seat. They were driving out of town with my parents, to go to a wedding, and were rear-ended, hard enough to total my dad's van and blow the glass out of the rear windshield. My 3 month old niece and my mom were sitting in the third row of the van, my niece properly secured in a rear-facing carseat. She was completely uninjured, other than a small bruise from the chest clip of the seat. My mom had pretty bad whiplash. Still think carseats don't matter? (not that anyone's actually saying they don't...)

Mel - posted on 03/15/2011

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That was my whole point Casey! About the car seats and everything being different. I was tryng to point out that it didnt mean we dont care about our kids, its just thats the laws here and is what most people go by, most I know dont even wait til 6 months because their babies get too big.

Casey - posted on 03/15/2011

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It depends on where you live I think cause I am in Australia and nearly every child I know has been turned around at the age of about 6+ months and I honestly don't know anyone who has still had their child rear facing at the age of one, I personally waited until my son was 9 months old before I turned him around just because he wasn't phased about it so I didn't worry about it either but i couldn't imagine him still being rear facing after his 1st birthday he was running around and would have had an absolute fit if he was strapped down in a rear facing baby seat, but I am wondering if the carseats are actually different in America to what we mainly have here in Australia cause i just can't even imagine a 1 year old or even older confortably fitting in one of our rearward facing carseats they would have to have they legs scrunched right up and they're head would be sitting well over where it is ment to sit which i don't think would be very safe if there was an accident and the seat in front of the carseat was pushed into the back it would definitley break the poor kids neck, so i dunno maybe they are a different sort of carseat, but anyways i think it's up to each parent how they wish to do things with they're child but so long as they are following the guidelines set out by there local law inforcement then i don't think it matters, but if you want to extend the time you have your child in a rearward facing seat then thats up to you.

Merry - posted on 03/15/2011

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And it sure would be nice not to have people riding my bumper the whole time on the freeway! I swear they want to speed like 15 over the limit and they try to bully cars around and then get pissed off and end up passing me so fast and cutting me off without using a turn signal!!!!
It's awful. I HATE driving in downtown Milwaukee. Hate it because no one uses the signals, everyone speeds, and weaving in and out of traffic lanes. It's a hazard for sure.
That's why I just can't fathom doing anything less then the absolute safest for car seats.
There's just too many accidents! I mean I probably see one accident every time I go in the car. Seriously it's only a matter of time until someone hits my car and I'm for sure not going to be caught without my kids in the safest seats possible.

Jodi - posted on 03/14/2011

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OK, I get what you were saying now, LOL.
Now, if only we could get those who use mobile phones while driving out from behind the wheel.....

Nikki - posted on 03/14/2011

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I didn't explain myself very well at all, I just re read what I wrote and my point was lost. I actually knew the road tolls have decreased, what I was trying to say is that with our advancements and safety requirements have improved our overall survival rates in a vehicle. How can anyone say that these laws are over the top when it is clear they have saved lives? Speed limits on high ways have changed, we have millions more cars on the roads and people drive longer distances but still the rates have decreased. I think that's a great thing, I just wish we could take it further and incorporate extended rear facing car seats into our laws.

I think I got it this time, so tired today!

Mel - posted on 03/14/2011

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thats good to know Jodi! Thanks for posting that. I just checked my own car seat out of curiosity, my most expensive one says forward facing 8-18 kg, and my other one I coukdnt see but didnt have much chance to look as was gettig kids out the car. We have like 5 car seats

Jodi - posted on 03/14/2011

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Maybe you mean some of the national highways have lifted speed limits from 100k to 110k? I just thought about that. But a lot of highways have also gone from no speed limit to having a speed limit. I remember the open speed limit signs when we used to do longer driving trips when I was a kid.....

Jodi - posted on 03/14/2011

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Actually Nikki, I think you will find that the road toll has reduced as a whole, quite significantly. In 1982, the road toll was almost 3500, but in 2008, it was only 1464.

If you compare deaths per 100,000, in 1975, deaths were 26.59 per 100,000, in 2008, it is only 6.85 per 100,000 population.

In the 0-16 age group, in 1985, 3.3 per 100,000 died, in 2008, it was only 1.3 per 100,000.

I am not sure whether the reduction in children's deaths in road vehicle accidents is a result of changes in car seat laws, or simply greater safety in cars in general, because it has reduced at a rate that is equal to that of the rest of the population.

And just for the record, speed limits have not increased since the 70s, I don't know where you get that from. They have actually reduced.

Mel - posted on 03/14/2011

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yes most likely there are alot more idiots on the road. I do believe bubs and toddlers should be in car seats definately.

Nikki - posted on 03/14/2011

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" I cant remember how it came up but I was talking with DCP once and they were saying how in their day they didnt even use car seats. I think they were implying the laws have gone over board now. When I was 7 or 8 I was in the front seat, now they have laws about having to be a in booster seat til age 7 in WA and 8 in some other states, it seems very over the top."

I have had this argument with others, what you are not considering is that since the times of no car seats and seat belts our driving habits have changed dramatically. Speed limits have increase, there are millions more cars on the roads and people drive longer distances. All of these things have impacted the death tolls and accidents on our roads.

I am sure if you were to check the death toll or even the statistics for car accidents in say NSW in the 70's and compared it to today's figures there would be a large difference.

Jodi - posted on 03/14/2011

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I would refuse, to be honest. I've never done it. I don't think the laws are overboard. I can't imagine putting my 6 year old in a normal seatbelt without a booster. Even my son, who was a LOT bigger than her at that age, had a booster until he was about 7 and it wasn't even law then, and I didn't have the same knowledge about the research. It simply just made sense to me.

Kim - posted on 03/14/2011

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I would never take a taxi without my child being in a proper car seat. Yes, since I don't drive I have had situations arise where it would just be so much easier to set them on my lap but I have never and will never do it. Cradling your child will do nothing when you are in an accident and are flung around a vehicle unable to control what is happening. Your baby would be through the window or severly injured from being flung inside the car. As much as you would like to think you could hold on and protect them the chances of you being able to do so are quite slim.

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I must live in a very responsible place because dropping my daughter off at pre school i have never seem anyone with out them in a booster and none of the booster base ones they are the full booster. If i can manage to get my baby out of his seat and my 2 yr old and my 4 yr old then i'm sure other can manage. It annoys me so much. We have rules for a reason. to protect our kids.

Mel - posted on 03/14/2011

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I know someone who hardly ever uses a car seat, and always expects ms to take her and her child around without one, she was silly enough to do it in front of my child health nurse ocne, and openly admit no I dont have a car seat in my brothers car, her child was about 12 months at the tie maybe less but she usually has him on the front seat down. Of course my child nurse coudnt do anything but take the numberplate for future if the cops ever see them around. Ive reported someone for having a baby in the front seat, but they cant do anything unless they happen to catch them driving. Ive had to do it before, but I wont go into details on here cause Ill get jumped all over =) I cant remember how it came up but I was talking with DCP once and they were saying how in their day they didnt even use car seats. I think they were implying the laws have gone over board now. When I was 7 or 8 I was in the front seat, now they have laws about having to be a in booster seat til age 7 in WA and 8 in some other states, it seems very over the top. Taxi's dont even use car seats, you can request one if you want, but they just ask you to cradle bub. Its not that I dont think about my childs safety but there have been those few situations where I have had to hold baby in the front with me.

Jodi - posted on 03/14/2011

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@ Tracey, I am going to do something similar at our school. I am so sick of people shoving their little kids in the front seat with no booster, etc, or in the back with nothing but a standard seatbelt when they pick their kids up from school. They are just in such a hurry to get out of there they honestly don't think about their child's safety. I know the laws have only changed in the last 12 months here, but there is no excuse for ignorance.

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We were in a pretty bad car accident a month ago and boy am I happy my daugher was rear facing. She is only 9 months so it would be against the law here but I see and hear of so many people that do it early because it is easier. Even though it wasn't a head on and we were tboned on her side (we have 2 kids and the seats wont fit side by side) I still think the seat helped cradle her head and body so she was not injured. I admit I did turn my son as soon as he was big enough at 1 but at the time I was young and listened to my family. After hearing and reading a lot about it my daughter will be rearfacing as long as possible and my son will be in a 5 point harness as long as possible. I can't believe how relaxed some people are about car seats. I think my son is the only one in his preschool class that isn't in a booster seat.

Sneaky - posted on 03/14/2011

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Niki your post just made me go "ARRRRRGH!" I would be so freaking mad if I had seen something like that - and I'd be calling the cops, no doubt. Good job calling the police on her!

Nikki - posted on 03/14/2011

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Don't feel evil Tracey! I used to ring the police on parents all the time at work. This one woman would drive with her 6 month old on her lap!

Sneaky - posted on 03/14/2011

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@ Donna, I had a similar horrifying experience in a McDonald's drive through - little girl sitting an parents lap in the front passenger seat of the car :o( I really wanted to do something - I may have to start writing down number plates and ringing the police help line. Won't that make me popular!

As to the parents with the kids at preschool - between us my husband and I saw THREE different car seat idiots in two days. I decided the universe was trying to tell me something so I rang the pre-school director and we are hatching a plot to try and have the local police park in the pre-school parking lot occasionally to 'inspect' the cars and the car seats being used to drop off and pick up the kids. I feel evil - but in a good way :o)

Sneaky - posted on 03/14/2011

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I agree with you Jenn - in my mind the car seat rolls 'backwards' in an accident, but the Australian Standard requires them to have roll bars and a 'foot' - it's like a square of metal that pulls out from the bottom of the car seat and presses against the back of the car seat that the child seat is sitting on, so I have to believe that they won't fly backwards in an accident . . .

Jenn - posted on 03/14/2011

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OK - so that makes more sense that it's not strapped tight and it's meant to stop the seat from flying through the window, but I just figured that's what the LATCH system is for or the seatbelt that holds the seat in - I guess I don't see the point in the tether other than a back up I guess. To me it would totally make more sense to tether it to the floor like those other pics show so it would hold the head down to prevent their face from flying into the rear of the vehicle.

Nikki - posted on 03/14/2011

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Donna it would be great to find out how your friend installed the car seat.

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Tracey, I had a similar convo with the ambos who put my second seat in before I had Wyatt. I asked about ERF in the seat I have (Babylove something or other, can't remember just now) They told me the same thing about some companies seats are safe for higher weights, but it is because they don't test them IN Australia to the standard many aren't allowed to say they go beyond the 9 or 12 kg point. And with all this talk I got curious and went and had a look at my paperwork. The seat is to 12 kgs... why did I have 9 stuck in my head? I dunno. My head's too full of snot for much sensible thinking.

I also asked the ambos what they thought about not updating my seat and going beyond the "recommended limit". Of course they told me nothing "on the record". But, suffice it to say that after our chat I kept my boys RF in that seat until they were 2 years.

Jenn, what you may not be seeing is the stabilising bar that extends from the bottom of the seat against the back of the car's seat. between that and the tethering system, it locks the seat into place. The seat belt just further stabilises everything. And, if you all remember, you're only supposed to do up the tether strap finger tight, not cinch it right in, because the purpose is supposed to stop the forward motion, so it doesn't to crashing into the back of the front passenger seat, or if it's in the middle of the car, it won't go flying through the front windscreen. The older of the 2 ambos fitting my seats walked me through the obligatory talk on proper seat use and said to me, "Make sure you tell hubby to lay off the arm curls before he does up this strap (rear tether strap), okay? You don't need to tighten it so much that Superman couldn't undo it, so go tell him to go easy on it." lol

I don't actually think our bolting system would only be safety tested to 12kgs, because we have to use seats up to 7 years. I think the larger seats go up to 26kg.

BTW, some of the writing on the BOXES of the carseats are misleading! They put "up to 18kg" in big typeface and then in small print "12kg RF". If you were to buy a ERF seat from overseas, you'd have to make sure that it either had a stabilising bar or some way to hold the seat in place similar to how we do it, since we don't have cars with anchor points on the floor in front. (That sounds confusing to me) I don't know why I didn't do it sooner, but I'll ask my friends which one they bought and how they anchor the seats in. I'm sure they told me when they did it, but that was like 3 years ago now.

If you look around, you'll find that the seats we can buy in Australia are sold all over the world, but the weights are sometimes different... so obviously they test to different weights in different countries. The bare minimum for all, no doubt. Better to make us buy a new seat sooner than to fully test the one!

Oh, you all will just love this one! I was picking up my eldest from kindy today. One of the kids' nans was doing the pick up run. She bundled in the 4 year old and what looked to be a 18 month- 2 year old into the car. I didn't think much of it, but then I saw her strapping them into... nothing! They were both in adult seatbelts! No seats, no boosters, nothing but seatbelts. I nearly fell over. THEN, on the drive home I'm stuck at a red light and there's a couple of kids (maybe 3-4 years old) in the back of a Barina waving at me! Fully turned around, sitting on their knees and waving!!! No seats, no boosters, not even a seatbelt!! My immediate thought, "morons!" (the parents, not the kids)

Nikki - posted on 03/13/2011

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I know, I considered contacting the ACCC but I really couldn't be bothered, this whole thing has taken up so much time and energy!

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That's true Jodi, I will look into that, there's no point in buying a car seat from overseas if it's our bolt system that fails us. Yes Jenn it's a bit rude really they shouldn't be allowed to post misleading information

Jenn - posted on 03/13/2011

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OK - that makes sense Nikki - but shame on the them for being misleading on their websites.

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That's a good point Nikki. BUT I think you need to keep in mind whether it was safety tested beyond 12kg for our bolting system by the sounds of it.

Nikki - posted on 03/13/2011

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I never considered using my rear facing seat past 12kg because I was worried they were not safety tested. I will however be contacting them tomorrow to see if they were tested for larger weights. If so I will keep her regardless of the Aus standard.

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Jenn it says the weight limit on the car seat I think mine says 9kg rear facing

Nikki - posted on 03/13/2011

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No Jenn, the convertible seats go up to 18kg, but rear facing is only until 12kg. Unless they have changed Australian standards in the past couple of weeks. I have spoken with every authority and care seat manufacturer to try and find a way to keep my daughter rear facing past 12kg. The bottom line was that although some maybe safe past 12kg they are only certified up to 12kg in accordance with Australian standards.



*Edited to add, some of the advertisements of car seats are very misleading online, there were several I found that seemed as if they could be rear facing but after contacting all of the manufacturers this was not the case.

Jenn - posted on 03/13/2011

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Yeah, the only way a rear facing tether makes sense to me is the way it show to be tethered to the seat base in front of it. If it's tethered to the rear of the car, isn't it actually pulling the child's body towards the seat? It just seems backwards. I looked at the pics, but it doesn't make any sense to me - at all. Like I said, our front facing seat HAVE to be tethered, but rear facing doesn't seem logical unless you do it as pictured in the link to pull the head DOWN - why would you want the head pulled towards the seat so the the child's face would go into the seat? I don't get it. Anyway, Nikki - that isn't true - in my 2 minute Google search I found Australian seats that go to 18kgs to rear face. There was nothing saying that it could only go rear facing to a certain weight and then had to be turned - it was up to 18kgs rear facing OR front facing.

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we forward faced my son at like 9 or 10 months. he was just to big and the only vehicle we had was a reg.cab truck and he kept kicking us our of gear so it wasnt a good deal. as for my daughter, she was about 11 months, also too big to be rear facing. they were both at or past the 20lb mark. i cant imagine my squirmy kids still being rear facing. but if that works for someone else then thats great!

Nikki - posted on 03/13/2011

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It's ignorant to think it's not causing a problem!!! Babies have been killed, that is a huge frikin problem. If it was your baby I am sure it would be a problem. Just because there are less deaths here compared to America doesn't mean we are in the right. Our government sucks when it comes to this issue which is frustrating considering we are one of the most progressive nations in the world.

Merry - posted on 03/13/2011

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Eric was 20lbs, or about 9kg at 4 months old!
I can not imagine him being front facing at 4 months. I mean his head was like half his body weight or something.
In America they have to be rear facing at least until a year. And beyond a year unless they are 20lbs.
So legally I had to keep him rear until one year old. But then I found here on circle that rearfacing is safer, did some research, and decided no way I'm turning him around!
His current seat goes to 35lbs and 36inches rear facing but I'm not content with that since he is almost 36inches now if not already.so we are budgeting a sunshine seat so he van rear face 2 years more at least.
I'm just not okwith using a seatbelt with a booster seat. Idk, it seems like the kid could get ejected easier in a roll over crash. I like the 5 point harness so that's another positive about the sunshine. Eric has a huge head, it measured the size of a three year old when he was 18 months so no way would I want to risk him getting whiplash in a front facing seat. His big head might just snap his neck!
Idk why Australian laws make it impossible to rear face after 9kg or so, to me that's just absurd. I don't know it just doesn't make sense.

Nikki - posted on 03/13/2011

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The highest weight limit of any car seat in Australia is 12kg for rear facing, which is ok for most kids but my daughter is really really tall and is 13kg at 16 months :(

Generally it's the higher end car seats that rear face to 12kg, the cheapies usually only last until 8-9kg.

Jenn those pictures look confusing, the only one that looks similar to Aus seats is the leopard print one, the straps come over the sides/front of the seat.

Jenn - posted on 03/13/2011

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OK Jodi - now I'm confused again. The pics I saw showed a rear facing carseat that was anchored to the floor or the base of the front seat behind it.

http://www.angelfire.com/wa3/isakswings/...

Our forward facing seat must be tethered here, so the tether strap goes either on the rear dash or the rear floor depending on the type of vehicle. For example in our GMC Jimmy, the tether strap goes to the back behind the seat in the "trunk" or truck bed area. But for a forward facing seat it would make no sense to me to tether it in the rear as it would pull the seat in the wrong direction. So are the pics on the link I posted the correct way to tether a rear facing seat or am I missing something?

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