Facebook 'Nurse In'

Erin - posted on 11/12/2010 ( 236 moms have responded )

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So FB has gone batshit crazy with deleting breastfeeding photos. Last month a prominent birth, breastfeeding and genital integrity activist (Emma Kwasnica) had her page deleted for a tandem BFing photo. This week, it was Guggie Daly's turn (she was a member on COMs in the early days). She had two BFing photos deleted, and then her account was disabled without warning.



A group of like-minded mothers are holding a Facebook 'Nurse In' on Monday November 15 in response to this latest Fb power trip.



http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=15...



Countless emails have been sent, but FB continue to lump BFing in with it's nudity clause. People threaten to abandon FB, but there is no other social media site for them to go to, and FB are well aware of this.



So what do you think? Will you change your profile picture to a BFing photo or logo to support mothers and babies, and stand up to the misogynistic FB??

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Mary - posted on 11/13/2010

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I'm definitely a BF'ing advocate; I breastfed my daughter for 13 months. However, I'm not really able to get all up arms with FB over deleting BF pics. Bottom line is that FB is not a democracy that owes us all fair and equal treatment. It is a FREE social networking site which allows each of us to partake at it's discretion. Membership is not vital to either your personal nor professional existence.

I agree that lumping Bf'ing pics into the nudity clause is simply ludicrous, but I also think they have a right to make whatever ridiculous decisions they like. They have made their stance on this fairly clear, so when people continue to poke the hornet's nest by posting these pics, it should come as no surprise when they get deleted.

I guess I just can't get too fired up about it because I don't see it as in any way inhibiting a woman's natural right to feed her child without restriction. All it does is restrict your ability to post visual proof of how you do it. I also think that they are not targeting individuals who may put up the occasional sweet modest photo of a nursing child within an album posted for only their "friends"; many of my friends have such pictures within their FB albums, and none have been deleted or censored in any fashion. It seems it is only those who insist upon publicly taunting them who get deleted. Again, since this is a free site where membership is voluntary, and their position on this has been made, FB is well within it's rights.

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I agree that taking BF pics down is not inhibiting anyone from actually breastfeeding. But I've heard more than one person tell me they don't want to BF because they are not comfortable with it. Why aren't they comfortable? Maybe because society makes women feel uncomfortable with it. Taking down BF photos off FB plays into the attitude that there is something wrong with BF. For vulnerable or ultra-modest women, it sends a wrong message about BF...whether or not it's FB behind the deleted photos or a "bot" that takes them down when too many people flag them.

Mary - posted on 11/17/2010

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Lisa, I'm not exactly in a position to know how it all works. I do know that early on in this thread, Carol posted a link to a rather revolting page, with a unquestionably obscene pic. Many of us flagged it, and it was gone within 2 days. That's been my only experiment with the whole flagging and deleting process, and it seemed to work. While I find the whole dead baby joke thing fairly tasteless and humorless, it's no different than those stupid dirty Johnny jokes that have been around for ever (I remember them being a huge fad in middle school, and the appeal escaped me then as well). Perhaps I'm too laid back, but they don't really offend me (And I'm the girl who has delivered more than her share of babies born sleeping).

I am not an authority nor a spokesperson for FB, but I sort of think people are trying to create a huge controversy and conspiracy where none really exists. As I said earlier, if this somehow interfered with mine or any other woman's ability or right to breastfeed, I'd be all over it. The "right" to post pics of me doing so is just not that important (to me) in the grand scheme of things.

Minnie - posted on 11/15/2010

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And that is the purpose of this whole thing. The more people see breasts feeding babies the more they will see it as a normal thing. People in other cultures don't bat an eye at a mother nursing her child uncovered in public, even if her whole breast is hanging out.

Mary - posted on 11/14/2010

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Cassie, that one thread wasn't bad...but I remember other ones where she really crossed the line. I've also seen comment from her in other places that really bugged me. As I said, I breastfed exclusively for 13 months, but I have a feeling that if placed in room full of other mothers where she was speaking, I may have felt compelled to deny it to simply avoid the appearance of being in any way similar to her. I advocate breastfeeding both personally and professionally, but I will NEVER support judging or condemning those who either cannot, or chose not. Not only is that counter-productive, it is simply unkind. I think if you want people to buy into a message of "peaceful" parenting, it's probably best if your words and tone are gentle and peaceful as well.

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Stifler's - posted on 11/17/2010

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I dont'agree with deletion of breastfeeding pics but posting ones of entire boobs is going a bit far to say the least. some are not worthy deletion on the site but some really are. It's gone to "it's a breastfeeding pic.. are you offended?" and it's not doing anything for the cause of normalising breastfeeding just making people look like whack jobs. If I posted a pic of my boobs like that someone would report it and it'd get deleted.

I can't find the link it was up on the "Hey facebook breastfeeding is not obscene" group last night. I had to look to see what they were going on about.

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I didn't see it. As much i support the cause i think FB is just going to keep shutting them down.

Dana - posted on 11/17/2010

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I made my comment about an hour ago. The photo's then were showing lots of skin, not sure about now. Although someone just posted a picture of her dog on her tit. With the caption. "I don't even have a baby but suck it FB"

Surprisingly, that one is gone now...weird....

Erin - posted on 11/17/2010

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I'm looking at the event's photos now, and I've only come across a couple that show a lot of boobage. Haven't seen your comment yet Dana!!

Dana - posted on 11/17/2010

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Has anyone seen the new group? I think people are showing WAY more boob now, on purpose. It's too bad because it will get shut down and they WILL say it's because FB doesn't support breastfeeding, when in all actuality, they just don't allow nudity. It IS nudity when you're showing that much skin!

Charlene - posted on 11/17/2010

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I looked at that Tera site, a couple pages anyway, and a lot of them you couldn't even tell what was really going on.. but a few of them?? Definitely broke the rules. Like the ones with the whole other boob exposed.

Minnie - posted on 11/17/2010

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Oh- Mary- I wasn't questioning YOU about Facebook practices, it was me thinking aloud. I should have worded it better.

Johnny - posted on 11/17/2010

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There are just clearly a few immature prudes who think that breasts are obscene.



Where I live, it is actually legal to walk around anywhere topless. For either gender. I've never seen anyone take advantage of it other than at the beach. This is because men are able to go topless, and requiring women to follow different laws is blatantly discriminatory.



I worked my ass off to breast feed after surgery, and I was really really proud of succeeding. I put up my pictures so that my friends and family - who clearly care about me since they've never reported me - can see how happy my daughter and I are.



It just stuns me how silly people are about a little breast. It's not going to bite you or make your eyes pop out. I just don't get this Victorian attitude in the 21st century. I guess there will always be people with small little minds.

Minnie - posted on 11/17/2010

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Jackie-Rae, at least 50 US states agree that a boob with a baby attached to it is NOT the same thing as a boob out for the heck of it.



And Canada has no problem with boobs at all. Nor do many European, Asian, African and South American countries.



Come to think of it, that makes it sound like most of the world has no problem with the sight of a breast nursing a baby.

Jackie - posted on 11/17/2010

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My curiosity got the best of me and couldn't stay away :)

If Emma is right (I haven't looked at the photos personally) A boob is a boob whether there is a baby attached to it or not.

Again, I AM NOT OFFENDED by BF photos in the least. But again, like I said in a previous post, I was very private and discreet about BF'ing and I just don't see why someone would feel the need to put photos of your boob on the internet. Now, don't get me wrong... if you post a picture that is TASTEFULLY done, then I don't see why any one would have a problem with it.

Do I agree that there should be a big stink over this? No because everyone has a different opinion on what is tasteful.

Minnie - posted on 11/17/2010

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She's talking about the Tera site, Kylie. And no, not all of them are topless.

Minnie - posted on 11/17/2010

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What bothers me about this, Mary, is that there are other offensive pages up, like dead baby pages, ones that promote violence toward children, that are allowed to remain up and I KNOW that they have received numerous flags. Why are the breastfeeding photos targeted?

Kylie - posted on 11/17/2010

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I looked at all the nurse in pics before the event was shut down and i did not see any topless women holding babies. Do you want to link us Emma?

Shayna - posted on 11/17/2010

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I see nothing wrong with breastfeeding, it is the most natural part of life actually... but myself being a pretty private person, I would not feel the need to submit photos all over the Internet of myself breastfeeding; And if by chance I wanted to, I would make it private like all my other photos are, where only my family and close friends can view it! I don't know why people would feel the need to post it out for the world to see, and you're darn right it could very well end up in some sickos hands... there are PLENTY out there!

Stifler's - posted on 11/17/2010

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I just went to the site where all the photos banned from facebook have been uploaded... and let's just say I can see why they're banned. If other women aren't allowed to post topless photos I'm sorry but I don't see why they should be allowed to. Every single photo is a topless woman holding a baby, half of them aren't even feeding the baby.

Mary - posted on 11/17/2010

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Cathy, I agree. When I saw it, I too realized it was a generic message. Again, I'm sure that many ignorant people flagged it. It really doesn't mean that FB thinks this about BF'ing, or the Nurse In is obscene - it's just a standard list of possible causes for removal. I think what people aren't getting is that FB really isn't taking a stance on this issue - it's bots are merely responding to a number of (anonymous) flags.

I guess you could all protest FB's allowing users to flag material, but then it does hamper everyone's ability to flag the truly offensive stuff that some perverts will put out into a public forum.

Stifler's - posted on 11/17/2010

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I agree with Toni, too much time on their hands if they can report pages and flag photos that aren't even offensive.

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i can't STAND that Shannen, when my friends post pictures of my son without asking. Usually, it is no big deal, but i would PREFER if they asked. It is very rude to post pictures of someone else's child! There should be some kind of FB button that forces people to ask for permission to post pictures of children that aren't their own! I am sorry you are going through such a hard time with FB and the police!

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People really have too much time on their hands to go around flagging BF pages for obscenity. That is obsurd!

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Long story but we did get them taken down.
FB didn't help in anyway. We had to kick up a stink wiht our local police who as far as i know told them to take the pictures down and i havent seen them again.
But no FB couldn't do anything because it was that persons property. They were off her camera. ( sister in law who i haven't spoken to for 2 yrs did it to cause more problems)

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That is so stupid. I'm so sick of FB.
They take things like that off BUT they will not take photos of my kids off when someone else has posted them and they didn't have permission?!?!?!?!?

Erin - posted on 11/17/2010

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I want to put my head through a wall...

Now the Nurse In event has been removed for hateful, threatening and obscene content.

Get fucked FB!!

Johnny - posted on 11/16/2010

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I'm always surprised that no one has reported me. The only thing I ever got was a PM from an old friend from high school thanking me for posting it because he'd always wanted to see my boobs. Luckily, I know him well enough to know that he was joking.

Stifler's - posted on 11/16/2010

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Hell no I don't care what people have on Facebook. I think some things people have a super lame but it's not my business to be the moral upholder of facebook. Just saying... some people think they are.

Dana - posted on 11/16/2010

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Emma, you really think that most people report it because they don't want to see them get stolen? I think that's absurd, no offense. Do you report them when you see them?

Stifler's - posted on 11/16/2010

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Oh there was all this advice to delete the kid pics etc. I don't have a prob with breastfeeding pics lol I just don't understand why some post the naked from the waist up ones. I have a breastfeeding pic on my FB.

Charlie - posted on 11/16/2010

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There are some beautiful stained glass windows depicting Jesus being breast fed .

If that is the case with porn Emma than why not delete kiddy pics to stop the kiddy porn ?

Sorry i don't buy that , i actually think breastfeeding photos are beautiful , i love when friends share them with us if some little jerk has a problem with it my advice is grow some balls tell the person to block them from veiwing the pictures and while they are at it grow the hell up .

Stifler's - posted on 11/16/2010

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I bet she didn't post it on Facebook for perverts to steal though. I think that that is most people's concern and why they report the pic. They don't want to hear about it on the news that breatfeeding pics have been stolen to make porn or some shit like has been happening with pics of people's kids.

Minnie - posted on 11/16/2010

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AND I bet that Mary nursed him with her entire breast out, from pictures I have seen of middle eastern mothers nursing.

Dana - posted on 11/16/2010

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Emma, picture are being removed that don't even show an entire breast though.

Stifler's - posted on 11/16/2010

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I have to agree with Jackie Rae on some points, why post it. Why post pics naked from the waist up and claim FB and others have a problem with breastfeeding. They don't, they have a problem with hackers (FB security is sooo secure... not) stealing your pic of your entire breast and using it for other purposes.

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Southern. I too have found the indie fundies to be over the top. I went to LSU and one indie fundie told my friend we were going to Lucifer State University...lol. Her daughter was going to a private Christian university.

And I said "sort of" because I attend a Southern Baptist church, but that's because it's where my husband wants to go. I do love my little church though! Honestly, I could attend just about any church of almost any Christian denomination and be okay with it.

Jesus was breastfed. =)

Minnie - posted on 11/16/2010

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That's great, Sara! Are you independent fundamental baptist, or southern? Unfortunately, the Independent Baptist churches I have attended here and the people who are members there are very closed-minded about breastfeeding. Mothers having to hide and all. The sinful boobies might make the men there think evil lustful thoughts, you know.



One woman had the gall to say to me "if my husband had known that you were breastfeeding your daughter during the service he would have been really offended." and "we need to think about the feelings of others, you know."



I wonder what their goals are regarding church growth? I didn't return.

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Hey! I'm a fundamental baptist! Sort of. I proudly breastfed during church. No one had an issue with it (that I know of anyway!).

Minnie - posted on 11/16/2010

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Yeah, probably Cathy. I'm surprised mine haven't been deleted, since I have several fundamental Baptists on my contact list.

Minnie - posted on 11/16/2010

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Jackie-Rae

I at least welcome all opinions. I'm sure the other ladies here do to. It's just that many many breastfeeding mothers have heard breastfeeding being related to taking a poo. I just don't see the similarity. And it takes me aback that someone would make that comparison.

Please don't leave because we disagree with you!

Minnie - posted on 11/16/2010

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Yes ladies, Facebook indiscriminately removes photos/shuts down accounts.

It's your treasured friends and families who are reporting you.

Doesn't it give you warm fuzzy feelings?

Jackie - posted on 11/16/2010

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There one in every group? Wow, I guess I'm "the one" on this thread. **sad face**. It's ok though. I fully expected to be "that girl" eventually.

I fully understand what you ladies are getting at and it's commendable.

**as I step back and retreat slowly**

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