Flu vaccine, yay or nay?
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Sara - posted on 09/08/2011
When I was 16 I got the flu so bad I was hospitalized. It was horrible. I have gotten a flu shot every year since then, and I get them for my family as well. I never want to watch my children go through what I did, so the benefits outweigh the risks to me.
Jane - posted on 09/15/2011
I don't know who Dr. Sears is, but each year, only about 3,000 to 6,000 people in the United States develop GBS whether or not they received a vaccination – that’s 1 to 2 people out of every 100,000 people. That is not very common and covers both vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
In 1976, during the big swine flu scare, about 1 additional case occurred per 100,000 people vaccinated. That still isn't very common and was associated only with that particular vaccine, not others.
A few studies have shown that approximately 1 additional person out of 1 million vaccinated people *may* be at risk for GBS associated with the seasonal influenza vaccine. Still not common.
Caitlin - posted on 09/09/2011
I plan on getting it, and having my 2 daughters get it. I am considered "high risk" (asthma) and so is my oldest. I have to jump through some hoops as well to get my oldest to have it though, because even if she is "high risk" she is also allergic to egg, and the vaccine contains egg, so we have to get it done at the allergy clinic. We will have a newborn in the house this year again who cannot receieve the vaccine, so darned right everyone is going to be vaccinated against the flu. On top of it all, I got a nice bout of pneumonia a few years ago from getting the flu, and it was brutal, particulalry hard to fight off because of my asthma and affected my breathing for almost a month after it was "gone". Cost a damn fortune in steroids, so I dont really mind getting the shot, especially for my kids.
Mary - posted on 10/03/2011
So many people die each year from the flu , It is not a question in our family and it has been that way for a long time . I don't want to come down with the flu . Or nurse a lot of sick people . I know you can come down with it anyway but it is a lot less hard on you , we have not had flu in our family in a long time . If you have egg allergies then don't take a shot . It is a lot easier to take the shot than be down for a week or two I don't know about you all but the world don't stop turnin when I am sick . I have to function anyway and it is a hard time .
Mrs. - posted on 10/30/2011
I didn't take them most of my childhood and adult life despite my doctors telling me I needed to, due to my immune issues. My father convinced me it was some weird government thing...he's a bit paranoid that way.
Of course, almost every year I got a terrible flu that would knock me on the ass. It would take over a month for my body to recover from the whole mess.
The year I got knocked up by surprise my doc finally convinced me to do it. I'm so glad he did, I managed to make it through my pregnancy without a horrible bout with flu.
The next year I was so busy with the new baby I didn't do it and of course....terrible horrible flu.
So, this year, I will be getting it.
And just to add, I've always taken Vit D...it didn't really do anything. In fact, the year I had the baby I was very on it because the baby needed it too....still got horribly sick.
Angela - posted on 10/30/2011
Well I agree it is not necessary for an average healthy adult. But I don't think it is because it is not safe. It just is that if you are an average healthy adult you are in a very low risk group for most strains of the flu.
My daughter Claire despite repeated illnesses is not considered high risk...I get it for her because I don't want her to take the risk.
Most will only catch actual flu a handful of times in their lives regardless of vaccine. Also if you catch the flu one year it gives you partial immunity for the next few years until it mutates to a completely different virus.
It doesn't prevent common cold viruses or provide relevant antibodies to fight them.
Angela - posted on 10/30/2011
Laurelai I do not think Patricia stated that it prevented her from the colds, but that she is healthier since she got the shot.
Also the flu can turn into pneumonia, it is a very common secondary infection of the flu. So it can help prevent this from occurring in some strains of the flu.
I concur that I got it every year for years and never hardly ever got the flu.
Leeann - posted on 10/28/2011
No your right it cant prevent colds, but for someone that suffers during the flu season, and yet doesnt get the flu. It does help, every year I suffer because of my asthma, and then I get the flu shot. it doesn't keep me from getting sick, but it does seem to help *shrugs* cant explain it but it does,
Patricia - posted on 10/27/2011
Well I was always skeptical about this flu-shot thing....until all of the new flu viruses began coming out...and I reached the age of 50 so last year I decided to have my first flu-shot...I had the best winter I've ever had! No coughs, colds etc. So I just went this week and revceived it again! If you're a person who gets coughs and cold easy I would definetly recommend it!
Hope this helped! : )
Angela - posted on 10/07/2011
"formaldehyde and mercury in it. IDK "
Those ingredients actually help the vaccine stay stable, some make it more efficient and more sanitary to just name few reasons as to why they are in their. They did loads of research on the use of them combined in all vaccines and they are pretty safe. You get more bad stuff over a life time from the foods we eat than what is in the limited exposure of vaccines. IMHO you did the right thing for you and your family Janice esp. since you are high risk.
Happy Pregnancy btw :)
On the subject of Vit. D yes it helps but it does not prevent but the vaccines does prevent some strains of flu.
I stand by my feeling to yes take your vitamins and get a flu shot :)
Janice - posted on 10/06/2011
I went in for a concern and was convinced to get a flu shot. I am 7 mo. pregnant and an asthmatic so really if I can reduce my chances of getting sick I should. Some years I get the shot, some years I dont. My husband never gets the shot. Knock on wood ;) I don't think either of us has ever had the flu. I did post on FB about getting it and an aquaintence (sp) who is very against all vaccines yelled at me and started going on about the formaldehyde and mercury in it. IDK
I can see vitamin d helping reduce the chance of getting flu, especially if you live in a cooler climate...most people in Britain are thought to be deficient of vitamin d throughout most of the year, this deficiency has got to have an impact on our immune systems. However, I think there is more to not catching flu than just removing deficiencies, healthy people catch the flu all the time!
Rosie - posted on 10/06/2011
actually angela there have been studies done on that and those who took vitamin d were 40% less likely to get influenza A, influenza B numbers were unchanged from group to group. more research is definitely needed before they can say for sure that vitamin d helps.
getting the flu shot is still recommended though....
Angela - posted on 10/04/2011
No I am not a doctor but I read the research and as stated it will not prevent you from getting the flu, but a vaccine will prevent you from getting some strains of flu. It is pretty black and white Maggie. Not anyone needs to be a doctor. Telling people to take vitamin D and they won't get the flu is misleading and not factual.
Telling people that if they get the flu vaccine that they will be protected from strains of the flu is a fact.
Just so you know all my family takes Vitimin D from September to May. The reason is we have very little direct sunshine here during those months. Most Dutch will tell you they take it or were recommended to take it. Despite the population taking it, people still get the flu. Now if you are deficient in any vitamin you will have problems maybe with fighting off infections. So yes take your vitamins and yes get a flu shot!
Angela - posted on 10/04/2011
I with you Sherri, So people please note the statement is false. Vitamin D will not keep you from getting the flu, deficient or not nor will any other vitamins.
FYI technically vitamins are chemicals.
Jennifer I am very familiar with pet vaccines and the one linked to cancer is distemper and we don't get a distemper vaccine as humans. We are not the same as dogs or cats either so I have no idea why you would compare it.
In addition if indeed the flu vaccine made you "sick" what was the illness? it is very rare to have any reaction to the vaccine.
If your vet is more careful with your puppies than your child's doctor why the heck haven't you got a new doctor!
Once again the statements are not accurate and false and feeding ignorance. You have nothing to back up your statements but your opinions.
Maggie - posted on 10/04/2011
ok so "cutting the incidence" means it prevents infection in some people. A good many people, actually. It doesn't prevent it in every case so I guess my statement was slightly misleading. I will say this - I take vitamin D and have never had the flu. Neither have my kids.
Maggie - posted on 10/04/2011
"The findings of our study support an important role for vitamin D in prevention of common respiratory infections, such as colds and the flu," says researcher Adit Ginde, MD, MPH, of the University of Colorado, Denver, Division of Emergency Medicine, in a news release"
"A little over three years ago, a San Francisco-area psychiatrist and several colleagues in other fields floated a provocative hypothesis: that a deficiency in vitamin D — the sunshine vitamin — might render people vulnerable to infections, including the flu. Now Japanese researchers offer tangible support for that idea. They show that vitamin D supplementation dramatically cut the incidence of seasonal flu among the children they followed."
"We think that if you're exposed to a virus [and] you have sufficient vitamin D, those cells will be better equipped to fight off that organism so you don’t get an infection," says Ginde.
Sherri - posted on 10/04/2011
No where in those article Meggy does it say if you are not Vitamin D deficient will you NOT get the flu. It also says it can help and mostly the people it helps the most is asthma patients. Thank you.
So I still stick with my initial comment.
Maggie - posted on 10/04/2011
I think research says otherwise. What's laughable is that you contradicted me without looking into it first.
I could keep going but I think that's enough for now.
Jennifer - posted on 10/04/2011
no, I was in military and had to have every vaccine known to man. I know what my body went through. I know that the years I was forced to get the flu vaccine I got sick. Not with the flu, the vaccine made me sick. Twice I did end up getting the flu, the vaccine was the wrong strain and gave no protection! I've never had the flu the years I haven't recieved the vaccine.
My vet says not to over-vaccinate my dogs because it is linked to cancer. (I said LINKED, not PROVEN TO CAUSE) I vaccinate my puppies for the things they are most likely to come in contact with (parvo and kennel cough) and the rest are left out, except rabies, which is state and local law. I titer test once a year, to make sure their immunity is still up. I also wait to vaccinate until my pups are weaned, as the antibodies in the mother's milk make the vaccine useless. Why is my vet more careful with my puppies health than my child's doctor is?
Angela - posted on 09/30/2011
"Do accidents happen? Yes they do. How often? Not often enough to be a risk. The odds of it happening in a year are so small."
Well said Brittany, you and your family have much more risk getting in your car daily. In fact minuscule is the word with is less than small.
Brittany - posted on 09/30/2011
Getting the flu vaccine is not a sure fire way to getting the flu. As a matter of fact most people who think they have the fly often mistake it for the common cold. No, the flu and the common cold are NOT the same thing.
I do agree that yes, eating a well balanced diet and having good personal hygiene will help decrease the chances of you getting the flu although, it will not stop you from getting the flu.
Angela is correct. The Government agencies have a very strict monitoring system for vaccines (all of them). The flu vaccine is made from dead virus cells. Does this mean they are all dead? Well, yes they are supposed to be. Do accidents happen? Yes they do. How often? Not often enough to be a risk. The odds of it happening in a year are so small.
Angela, Well said.
Angela - posted on 09/30/2011
Fran although I respect Holistic Medicine and your personal experience as a reference the statement itself does not give me enough information as to how effective I quote “good hygiene and proper nutrition is just about as much good without the chemicals in a vaccine” or how” it “a sure fire way to get the flu.” (in reference to the flu vaccine, you referenced all vaccine's too)
Yes I do know of all the ingredients in vaccines. I am also aware that those ingredients help improve the vaccine's effectiveness and safety. They in minute amounts, are safe for the majority of people unless they have an allergy history. In addition to ensure the safety of vaccines, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the National Institutes of Health (NIH), and other Federal agencies routinely monitor and conduct research to examine any new evidence that would suggest possible problems with the safety of vaccines. (from the CDC website)
You stated “if you're in good health, chances are pretty good you may not get the flu, and if you do, not as devastating as one would believe.”
My question to this statement is why take chances for yourself and other around you? But the TRUTH is people in good health can get the flu, suffer complications, and even die from the flu. In fact that is exactly what did happen with H1N1. But even if you don't get it so bad you can spread it to a person who is vulnerable. So the risk needs to be carefully considered when deciding on the flu vaccine.
Same goes with other disease's you get vaccinated for. If your child does not get the MMR, and gives me rubella while I am pregnant my unborn child could be at serious risk and most likely would die.
Vaccinations do not just protect you but those you come in contact with. As a good mother and good person I looked at the risk, realized my children and myself had a very low risk vs. getting the disease's and thus got vaccinated.
I am not judging you. I do not know you. I am only keeping the facts from fiction or opinion.
I am not stating just my opinion I am stating facts, and I am really tired of people using opinions such as the flu vaccine causes you to get the flu or MMR causes Autism when it is NOT true and NOT a fact and spreads fear and ignorance.
If you want to believe in that so be it, but I do not feel you have the right as an American or not to make statements that are not founded and incorrect to a general public who is seeking information to make a good decisions as a “Good Mother” to vaccinate.
Edit to add: Fran not to state the obvious but WE do not all live in America btw but I gave you facts from the USA since your perspectives are from America. However their a many more organizations around the world, for example The World Health Organization (WHO) amongst others who have the same facts that support my statements
Fran - posted on 09/29/2011
Information? Oh, about 32 years of extensive research, of course, from a more holistic position AND the experience of getting the flu after each shot. So do YOU know all the ingredients in the vaccination "cocktails" ... whether it's the flu shot or any other? Or are we debating how effective good hygiene and proper nutrition is to the immune system ... and how that does just about as much good without the chemicals in a vaccine? I do agree that if you are indeed in a "high risk" category, perhaps a flu shot is warranted but if you're in good health, chances are pretty good you may not get the flu, and if you do, not as devastating as one would believe. Whatever happened to letting our immune system work for a change? All we seem to do is dum down what God gave us. Sometimes I think, whether it's right or wrong, that on one future day we won't be able to get out of bed and go about our lives without some kind of "preventative" shot that we'll have do administer to ourselves!! Hope your children do not EVER experience any kind of problems with vaccinations, BUT if they ever do (as a good mother) you would turn the world upside down to find out why. All our immune systems are different ... what works for one, won't for another. And sometimes, for the most vulnerable, lasting lifetime effects are negatively experienced. Your future, your child's future, your family's future could all be changed in an instant. And thank you, I have read the facts. I appreciate your opinion and you are certainly entitled to that, but please do not minimize mine. We live in America where it's supposed to be ok to believe what you believe ... and yet people still find it really hard not to judge people when they've never walked in their shoes. My opinion only.
Angela - posted on 09/29/2011
Really Fran and you got this information from???
healthy people get sick from the flu and die at the worst,but also spread it to vulnerable people, have to miss work or school, get hospital treatment...
Oh never mind... doubt anyone is really going to listen but just in case someone really needs to decided I hope they do not fall for falsehoods. Read the facts and then decided.
I get a flu shot for myself and probably always will. I also ensure my children receive their flu shots, but at a certain age they will make their own decision on that. Flu vaccines, in my opinion, are as necessary as many other the other diseases against which our children are inoculated.
Angela - posted on 09/28/2011
I want to add they tested the vaccine the same way they alway do with trials ( those people were volunteer guinea pigs back a couple years ago) It was proven safe.
The only difference was a time crunch. If the vaccine had problems during a pandemic it would have been bad. Lucky science prevailed on our side this time around. It is a safe vaccine. As stated it is in the new season flu shot
Angela - posted on 09/28/2011
Thank you Dyan. It is confusing because the media jumped the gun when the did the first research and called it the swine flu.
What drives me batty is it is still referred to as the Swine flu by media.
I found this article about H1N1. In the article they still refer to it has swine flu. It is no wonder people get confused.
The article is good however. research shows even after your fever breaks from H1N1 you are still contagious.
Leeann - posted on 09/28/2011
eh that first link seemed a little wonky to me anyhow. i liked the ehow much better, but your right there is a reason i stopped watching the news. it had so many names that when they settled on H1N1 i didnt know what i was hearing about. my son and my daughter were tested for the "Swine flue" back when they were calling it that and it was confirmed. we were even case zero in the school o_O. but whatever i guess i can grudgingly admit i was wrong lol. no really i guess i was because i read what Dyan posted to.
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