Flu vaccine, yay or nay?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/08/2011 ( 290 moms have responded )

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I just got the call from my doctors office that it is flu vaccine time. Are you getting it for you and your family? Why or why not?

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Ashley - posted on 09/14/2011

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Nope. Never have and never will. I didnt even get it when i was pregnant for either child and i survived! I had a severe stomach flu when i was pregnant for my oldest which lasted a week but like i said i survived. My doctor does not agree with the flu vaccine as he says it only vaccinates you against one strain of the flu. Do you realize how many strains are actually out there? The only flu shot we got was the H1N1 and that was only because my youngest was only 2 months old and my dr recommended we get it. Like he had said the vaccination was for that paticular strain of flu. Nobody in my family or my friends ever get the flu shot and we barely get sick. I give my kids vitamins everyday and i find that works for us. IMO they are vaccinating against too many things these days. Chicken Pox i absolutely refuse that one. It's a childhood disease that mostly every child has had. We all survived it and my children can fight that off. Other than their normal vaccinations i do not give them any more than that and i never will

Vera - posted on 09/14/2011

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I'll say don't waste your money.

Last year my hubby, after being convinced by the Dr that our daughter should get one, had the flu shot given to our daughter. Nearly 2 months after receiving the shot; more than ample time for it to have taken effect; she came down with a confirmed case of the flu… which led to ear infections and strep throat.

It was such a lovely experience (not!!) that I will not be doing it again this year. I enjoyed wasting that $25.00 to have her just get sick. I should have saved the money for all the medications she was on.

Angela - posted on 09/14/2011

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Kate you can just go by what they do in the UK, Over here(The Netherlands) they give vaccinations and they are covered under our health insurance for the high risk groups. Also many employers offer it to any employee. In addition (with the exception due to a shortage) any one can request a flu shot but I have to pay out of pocket.

In the USA anyone can get a flu shot too again the only exception would be a shortage and then it is by risk group.

I have not looked up the percentages of who is getting the flu vaccine however I did read in the USA for example over 80% get immunizations... I will find the data. So I think in some area it is very possible you may have a higher rate for flu? Not sure like I said I will look it up.

Wow so much has been said and I want to comment more and will but a bit later because I got errands to run. I did not want some people to think I just ignored them :) ttyl

Angelique - posted on 09/13/2011

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The fact that vaccinations can be a great thing doesn't negate the fact that they are a toxin being used to fight viruses. I vaccinate my children but we don't do anything extra. I believe the vaccination schedule kids are on these days is out of control. Seeing my third child react so negatively to all the vaccinations our Dr. tried to push at one time made me look at them in a different light. We chose to space his out and it made a huge difference. Don't fool yourself into thinking that just because we put these medicines in our bodies for a good reason that it means the are good for us. I'm not anti-vax but I'm definitely careful about what goes into my children. If they were sickly kids or had insufficient immune systems I would do the flu vax...but they're not and this is one vax that I don't believe is completely useful. I'm sorry if that makes you sad but it's the truth. Like I said, I believe in vaccinations but they can be tough on childrens bodies. Period.

Suzie - posted on 09/13/2011

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My children and i get one every year and they never get sick Daddy however never gets one and has been sick every year so Yes

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/13/2011

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There certainly is a difference between ingesting a food and injecting a vaccine into a body. For one, food typically leaves your body through defication or urination, all the bad stuff....and all the good stuff helps rebuild the cells in your body. Getting a vaccine stays in your system differently. I was explained how specifically it works once...I will have to do some research to explain.

Faye - posted on 09/13/2011

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Because of my father's and MIL's ages, I get one each year. We see them often enough to justify it in my books. Most years I do great with it but on the rare occision that I don't, I am ill to my stomach the next day for about 6 - 8 hours and then I am fine. I have never thought to have my kids get it. My daughter may get it this year as she is pregant and I am sure her OB will require her to get the shot.

Merry - posted on 09/12/2011

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But I bet you wouldn't feed your baby a whole can of tuna....besides, there's a huge difference between ingesting something and having it shot intramuscularly.

Sherri, it was at a walgreens my friend got the shot for her baby and wasn't warned it had mercury in it. I'd hope every shot distributed would be on top of such things but maybe you're best off going to a dr

Kate CP - posted on 09/12/2011

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There is more mercury in a can of tuna than there is in a single dose vaccine.

Sherri - posted on 09/12/2011

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Actually that depends on your doctor Laura because I am informed of everything that is in the vaccines my children receive including the flu vaccines.

Merry - posted on 09/12/2011

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I think the vaccine isn't a toxin, but if you pick apart each ingredient some of them are toxins. Most anything in excess can be toxic, so it's not really a fair label.

Although the amount of mercury in some of the local flu shots here are ridiculously too high for babies. And you have to ask specificly to find a place that's using the type of flu shot that doesn't have mercury in it. They won't warn you even if you're vaxing a baby.

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I get really sad when people refer to vaccines as toxins. Such a negative connotation for such a good thing.

Angelique - posted on 09/12/2011

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Nope :) My children get so many toxins in their bodies from the vaccination schedule they are already on. I have an 11, 6, and 4 year old...none have had the flu yet. I've had it once in my life that I will say was a true flu. I'd rather take my chances with the real thing vs. an unnatural toxin that may or may not even work. Lol

Merry - posted on 09/12/2011

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Teresa,I would have blamed the shot too if it were me, that's why when I'm preggo I just don't mess with anything, no chemicals, no medication, no weird body products......I'm a worrywart when I'm preggo.

Kate CP - posted on 09/12/2011

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The only way you can get the flu from the vaccine is if they use the live virus vaccine. And they generally don't.

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As cathy and sarah stated the UK only gives the flu vaccine to high risk (pregnant women are included but young children aren't) so we don't get it (I did when I was preggers with my youngest). For healthy individuals the flu is nasty but not usually life threatening so because we're healthy and not in an at risk group we don't get them.

Jsh1023 you may get flu like symptoms but you cannot get the flu from the vaccine, if a person does have the flu after being vaccinated they either had it before the vaccine or caught it in the time between having the vaccine and gaining immunity. The misconception that the flu jab gives the flu irks me to no end!

Stacy - posted on 09/12/2011

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@Angela, I didn't have the stomach flu or food poisoning. I had the flu. The achy, headache, sore throat, sneezing, dizzy, want to die kind of fluenza. It was short, thank goodness, but it was definitely the flu people get immunizations for. I also remember a time when my employer offered free flu shots to everyone, called me an idiot when I refused one (yeah... nice guy), then was ever so grateful when I was putting in overtime to cover the work of everyone (including my boss) who was out with the flu a week later. Who looked like the idiot then? I don't think I am immune to the flu. I just think the chances of getting sick after getting the shot are higher than if I just don't get the shot at all. I work with the public. I hear people saying that people like me are exposed to so many things, and this is why I should get the flu shot. But still haven't gotten it. (Knock on wood). I'm going to stick with what has worked for me.

Nikkole - posted on 09/12/2011

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My daughter gets sick A LOT so we will all be getting the flu vaccine i didn't last year and got it and was sick for 2 weeks it was HORRIBLE my daughter also got it but it was a VERY mild case and only lasted 4days and was not as severe as mine.

Kate CP - posted on 09/12/2011

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That study was done in an isolated colony in rural Canada. Not a big-city or suburban setting.

Kate CP - posted on 09/12/2011

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But, there still wouldn't be herd immunity because this virus mutates so much and so fast.



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I guess because it's such a crap shoot in my mind that I see no point in it. For me, the risk of getting an infection just from the needle itself (yes, it's happened to me before) is more of a risk than catching the flu virus. So there's that issue as well.



If the flu were more like tetanus or rubella or any of those infectious diseases that DON'T mutate and thus have a steady, stable vaccine then I would vaccinate for it. But because it mutates constantly there is never a definite "Yes, THIS vaccine is the one that will protect your from getting the flu". It's always "Well, here's hopin'." Plus, it's hard for 75% of the population to get vaccinated when they don't make enough vaccine FOR 75% of the population. :/

Rosie - posted on 09/12/2011

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but if you and the other 75% of people who AREN'T getting the vaccination WOULD, there would be herd immunity. i just have a hard time understanding why someone would want to put themselves at risk like this. especially someone like you kate who could die easily from this disease. it confuses me.

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I am way late to this, AND I'm 150% pro-vaccinate, BUT that doesn't include the flu vaccine. Unless your immunity is compromised or your work puts you at high risk for infection, then I think it's unnecessary. Chad and I did get it the year Roxanne was born, because she was only an infant during flu season.



I completely agree with Kate, and the other ladies about not getting the flu vaccine.

Kate CP - posted on 09/12/2011

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No, it really doesn't clear it up. There are just not enough people vaccinated for this virus to effect the rate at which it spreads. Period. In order for it to effect epidemiological levels the number of people vaccinated for a virus in a given area has to be AT LEAST 75% of the population or more. I know that 75% of the population isn't getting their flu vaccine. How do I know? Because in most cases you have to be high risk just to get the vaccine. And if you're high risk that means you're a select group of people outside of the general population...not a majority.

Some people are just more prone to catching airborne viruses than others. In THIS specific case, the vaccine does not effect the spread rate of the virus .

Angela - posted on 09/12/2011

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@Jsh1023 And to any one else who believes their is such thing as a 24 hour flu according to the medical community their is no such thing meaning the stomach flu is NOT related to influenza.
Also many people believe they have the flu when indeed they do not. In The Netherlands they refer to everything as the flu so it can be confusing.
I just want to point out that you most likely had food posing or a another virus but rarely do virus leave the body in 24 hours. It was most likely something you ate. Thus you are not immune to any influenza strain nor is it indicative how your body would fight influenza.

Angela - posted on 09/12/2011

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Hi KateCP, I understood your post as to state that people who vaccinate to not help people who do not vaccinate. I think they do. But I agree people should not rely on an as you called it HERD effect protection. So if I misunderstood your post I apologize.
I do not say that everyone who has not gotten the flu is due to the fact that others got a flu vaccine. I said some of you as a general statement.
Meaning some of the people who claim I have never had the flu and use that as an excuse can thank all the people who do get it because it did help you by not spreading an epidemic or worse!
You brought up the herd effect thing, I did not. I hope that clears it up.
I was not stating you were pro or not pro vaccine. I was making statements to certain things you posted and how I understood them.

Stacy - posted on 09/11/2011

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I haven't had the flu in 14 years, and I have never had a flu shot. Even then, it was a 24 hour thing. I am 6 months preggo and am healthy. I take my vitamins every day, eat healthy, and wash my hands often. My husband wants me to get a flu shot, and wants our kids to get them. He gets the flu every time he gets the shot. And because of this, I wonder why he still thinks it's a good idea. We do however have a friend whose younger brother died from H1N1 2 flu seasons ago. It was sad and horrible, but I think we are better off without the flu shot.

Kate CP - posted on 09/11/2011

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"@Kate CP I have to say I disagree that vaccinations do not help stop an epidemic or worse and thus they do help protect those at most risk and including those who are not vaccinated either by choice or other reasons..."

Woah woah woah. I never said anything about vaccinations not helping to ebb an epidemic. I said that not enough people get vaccinated for the flu virus to create a heard immunity. BIG frickin' difference.

I am a VERY pro-vaccine mom and my kids are fully vaccinated (except the flu virus). So...not entirely sure what the point of your post was, but I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't get the flu vaccine, personally.

And saying that the reason why *I* have never gotten the flu is because OTHERS get the vaccine is a faulty statement. Not enough people receive the flu vaccine to create a heard immunity for me to rely on.

Angela - posted on 09/11/2011

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@Kate CP I have to say I disagree that vaccinations do not help stop an epidemic or worse and thus they do help protect those at most risk and including those who are not vaccinated either by choice or other reasons.



Nothing is 100%, vaccinated or getting ill does not mean you won't get the flu. Their is no life long immunity for anyone because unlike polio or measles the flu mutates frequently. This is why we have a new flu shot every year.



Especially for those like Cathy and others who think getting the illness vs not is better:



Immunization the so “natural” way or IE getting sick vs. immunization via vaccines.

I strongly disagree that immunization via getting sick is better than do so via vaccinations. Not to matter how you immunize, both are a natural process in the body.



You can get immunity from getting sick however you must get sick. Statistics show that those who do get sick are at a much higher risk of serious complications and those vaccinated and get the disease have less serious illness. Most childhood vaccines are 85 to 95 percent effective. (USA Stats site) Vaccines allow a person to be protected from the disease without experiencing the serious adverse effects of that illness.



In the end you must decide which risk you want to take,the risk of getting a vaccine preventable disease or the risk of getting a vaccine. For me the risks of the diseases are serious and because serious reactions from vaccines are rare, I believe that choosing to vaccinate is typically the safer risk to take.



But every person is different and for example if you have an egg allergy etc you may be at higher risk than others... still do your research and come up with the least risk for you and family. So I do not say one MUST vaccinate but I think it is wise that most do for themselves and for society. I think it is safer for most and why I choose to vaccinate.



I feel one must be diligent about the real FACTS, Do go for conspiracy theories, or just by what your doctor says... research and double check the facts and statistics to come up with your best solution to keeping yourself and family safe and healthy.



Their is a lot of misconceptions and information out their to wade through and anyone can get confused. I know I was, but I spent a good deal of time on researching the subject much more than I wanted to. However in the end I felt good with my choices and armed with good facts when for example I was told I did not need to give my daughter the Hepatitis vaccination by a health care nurse. The women stated WRONG info, when she said only countries with out modern sanitation need to worry of it... Heck even her countries own hepatitis fact website conflicted with her so called professional advice.

It made me worry of the people who really took her advice and did so because they trusted her professional advice.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/10/2011

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I have decided to get it for me and my family. I am gonna make an appointment for friday to get it done. I was so damn sick constantly last year, and I know we all had the flu. It is not worth it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/10/2011

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Julianne, I know your family has reactions to vaxes, but I cannot help but wonder if you already had the flu virus in you when you received the vax, and got the flu worse? I don't know. I do know that if you are already sick (and maybe don't know it) it can make you a hell of a lot worse!

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I cant get it. I got it once and i got horribly sick for a few weeks. Like, vomiting, diarrhea, dizzy spinny headaches, feels so sick i can't even walk right. Its not fun.

Kate CP - posted on 09/10/2011

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"To the people who say they never had the flu, well maybe because people been getting the flu shot!
If you get the flu you will know it. I had it as a kid and was so sick. You will not get over it in a couple of days. In fact it can take weeks and not once have I ever heard of anyone getting over the flu in a couple of days. That is a cold virus...
People rarely get polio, but that is due to vaccinations and nothing else. The same with the flu, not every flu is covered but the killer flus are."

Well, not enough people get the flu vaccine to really create a heard immunity, which is what a lot of people rely on when they don't vaccinate AT ALL. So, saying that because others get the vaccine we WON'T get sick is not entirely true. Why won't WE get sick? Who knows. It comes down to virus exposure, hand washing, and personal immunological response to the exposure.

Secondly, ANY flu can be a "killer flu". All it takes is for a person's body to lose the fight against the virus. The strains the vaccine covers are based on what scientists believe will be the most COMMON flu strands going through society at any given time. This is why some years the flu is SO bad: they get it wrong. Doesn't mean the flu vaccine isn't valuable or important, just not perfect.

I actually have an immune disorder and I am probably considered high risk and could get the vaccine. But, for my own personal reasons (and however foolish in hindsight they may be) I don't. So far, so good. That doesn't mean I won't EVER get the flu. But for right now this is okay for me and my family. For others I see the importance of the vaccine and I agree if they feel they need it then they should get it.

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Well Heather, I am sure that you realize the flu vax does not take care of ALL strands of flu. Just the most prevalent. Beings that both your parents are Doctors, I am sure they have informed you on this matter.

Heather - posted on 09/10/2011

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I'm pretty anti-vaccine, and both my parents are doctors, so I get a lot of grief about this. for anyone interested, check out The Sanctity of Human Blood - a small book by a physician whose pretty anti vaccine - not immunizations, which do have a proven track record (polio, for example), but vaccines are largely unproven. Historically, approx 50% of the people who get the flu vaccine get the flu! I'd rather take my chances without putting formaldehyde and mercury and other toxic, untested, things into my, and my daughter's, blood. No H1N1 for us last year, and we all weathered it just fine.

Angela - posted on 09/10/2011

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To the people who say they never had the flu, well maybe because people been getting the flu shot!
If you get the flu you will know it. I had it as a kid and was so sick. You will not get over it in a couple of days. In fact it can take weeks and not once have I ever heard of anyone getting over the flu in a couple of days. That is a cold virus...
People rarely get polio, but that is due to vaccinations and nothing else. The same with the flu, not every flu is covered but the killer flus are.

Angela - posted on 09/09/2011

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@Teresa I don't think that is weird, i think that is normal and you had a good doctor. I don't think any one should feel pressured!

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Totally agree, Laura (about getting the flu shot while pregnant). One of the years I was pregnant the OB told me to make an appointment w/ my GP to get the flu shot. I made the appointment w/out thinking about it, but since the appointment was in a week.... I had a lot of time to think. I was SO apprehensive and when I went to the doctor we talked and he said he'd rather see me sick for a week than to make a decision I would regret. I didn't get the shot. That baby didn't survive (and was probably already dead when I went in to 'get the shot') and I KNOW I would've blamed the shot and myself for the rest of my life if I had gone through w/ it.

That's just me though. I'm weird like that. ;)

Caitlin - posted on 09/09/2011

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@ Dyan - I'm due the 15th of October, but I'm guessing closer to the 6th (just a feeling I get). He started to move slightly downwards lastnight (OW!) and the exit should be clearly marked by the previous 2..

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Yes. I had mine 2 weeks ago and will have my son get his in 2 weeks at his visit. Until someone shows me conclusive proof that its even remotely harmful, I'll do what I can to prevent a lifethreatening illness. I understand that the vaccine can bring on flu-like symptoms but that's not flu. Those symptoms aren't the potentially deadly things real flu can bring.

JL - posted on 09/09/2011

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I had the flu once my freshman year in college. I had to be hospitalized. I thought I was dying. It was horrible! I can't imagine how a child would deal with the flu.I barely did as a healthy active adult. I started getting the flu shot after that and continue to get one. My oldest child has asthma so she gets the flu shot. My youngest doesn't have asthma but he gets the flu shot as well. I remember what it was like to have the flu and I just don't want his little body having to deal with that. Plus we live with and interact daily with family members who have low immune systems.

Rosie - posted on 09/09/2011

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when is the baby due caitlin? i remember when you announced it, but it was forever ago it seems like, lol.

Caitlin - posted on 09/09/2011

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I plan on getting it, and having my 2 daughters get it. I am considered "high risk" (asthma) and so is my oldest. I have to jump through some hoops as well to get my oldest to have it though, because even if she is "high risk" she is also allergic to egg, and the vaccine contains egg, so we have to get it done at the allergy clinic. We will have a newborn in the house this year again who cannot receieve the vaccine, so darned right everyone is going to be vaccinated against the flu. On top of it all, I got a nice bout of pneumonia a few years ago from getting the flu, and it was brutal, particulalry hard to fight off because of my asthma and affected my breathing for almost a month after it was "gone". Cost a damn fortune in steroids, so I dont really mind getting the shot, especially for my kids.

Angela - posted on 09/09/2011

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Well I have to say I wish i had the book years ago, also I did delay some vaccines and some not. I feel the choice is best with sound information that is not biased. You get that with Dr. Sears book.

Well when my kids were in school pre school and day care could stipulate the vaccines (they are private and not run by government funds. Also my daughter who was delayed on the schedule got sent home because her vaccines were not up to date, had to get the doctor to help me out on that... but she missed like a week of school!

It may be easier now for parents that was a long time ago.

I know you can refuse under religious reasons or something but it was such a big hassle I did not bother to fight it but I did have the info I have now eaither.

When I was a teen I was sent home from school also until I got my vaccines up to date. So back then if you wanted to fight it it was a FIGHT and the mean time your child was not allowed in school...

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