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Rosie - posted on 10/09/2010
i think it wouldn't work. where do they draw the line? should people not be able to buy butter? should they buy organic foods? or is organic too expensive? red meat is bad for you, should we make everybody just buy vegetables? fresh and frozen are better for you than canned vegetables, should we ban canned vegetables? but aren't fresh vegetables more expensive? aaahhh, it's soooo confusing trying to dictate other peoples lives....
Amie - posted on 10/12/2010
Bonnie is also new and does not know who is friends with whom. I can see and understand why she thought there was a fight going on.
Debate boards are different from the other ones on CoM's. Our rules are a little more lax but if you ever question something, just flag it and the mods will review it.
Bonnie - posted on 10/11/2010
Okay..as far as I know there is no such thing as food stamps where I am. I have never heard of it until now. You ladies that do have it should be very thankful. That is a heck of a lot of money that some of you are receiving every month. I haven't read all of the other posts, but really, did you ever think that the government is thinking of banning pop or soda because of the fact it is not good for you and they are the ones supplying you with all this extra money? It is not a necessity. Because really if it is that important for you to have your soda than go buy it with your own money and buy the more expensive items with your food stamps. I understand that this a debate and everyone can say what they think should be done or how it should work, but Jesus some of you are tearing eachother apart over it!
Amie - posted on 10/11/2010
Why don't they implement programs to buy healthier food?
Here we have something called Chep (I think) it provides you with in season fruit and veg for a certain amount each week. It's delivered to your house and there are different size boxes to choose from, depending on the size of your family. Our schools even use this program to help feed the kids who need to eat at school.
The prices range from $10-25. Considering I spend $40-50 a week for our family of 6 (well 7 including my brother), I can see how it helps people. The cost of delivery is included in the price.
The local food bank, I see a lot of people going in and out of there whenever I drive by. It's set up so you give them your information and everyone in the home. You get so much each week. It's not meant to be lived off of though, so they do have the power to say no. They do have fresh fruit, veg, meat, milk, bread, formula, etc. for the families that need it. It's all donated through grocery stores, people and businesses. This year they implemented something new as well. The food bank has it's own plot of land that the city donated to it. They grew their own veg and hand it out at the food bank.
We also have community gardens. Low income people sign up for it and get a plot in the community garden. They can grow whatever they like, take care of it, harvest it and keep it for their family. I'm not sure if they pay anything but even if they do, it would be minimal.
There's community cooking as well. You pay a certain amount each week, they provide the groceries and you make up meals for your family. Once a person has a good handle on that, then there's no real reason to continue going. Again, for low income families. They teach them how to shop, how to cook, etc.
There are many options for people, here, to take advantage of to help with food costs and all that entails. I don't see why more measures like these are not taken and used in other areas, instead of banning certain items. It makes more sense to me to do it that way.
The welfare system in Sask is also set up different, as it is in every other province. They have gotten fairly strict and are continually moving towards it being harder and harder to screw the system. I'm sure people will always find loop holes but it's becoming less and less.
April - posted on 10/11/2010
Absolutely not, its unfair to make people who are on food stamps even more different then those who are not. Being healthy is a choice and unless you are going to take soda out of the grocery store it is discrimination. People who are on food stamps can make decisions for themselves and their children just like those who are not.
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Stifler's - posted on 10/13/2010
I think they've proposed this to combat those people who fill their trolley with 30 bottles of coke. you know who I'm talking about, there's someone doing it every time I got to the supermarket. If those people are on food stamps and sue Coca Cola, others will blame to government for enabling them. And I agree Coca Cola and Pepsi would have no problem shutting this down if it was passed, hence why it hasn't.
Sherri, Florida doesn't have a helmet law either and I think other states do too. I know when it changed in Florida I had heard of it being that way elsewhere. Wish we had the no sales tax law though. Where I lived in FL it was 7% and now in NY where I live it's 8% :(
And Laura?, yes you can buy candy with food stamps. I've done it once, by accident. I got a Kit Kat in the check out and usually when something isn't covered by stamps it still shows as a balance after you scan your card. There was no balance after so I just put my 50 cents away and thought "Ok, lesson learned". I try to make my stamps last and streeeeetch as far as I can on healthy things. I have bought soda for my husband a few times with them though, so that he doesn't have to spend 75 cents a can at work. Always store brand though. In fact, I buy store brand everything lol
Johnny - posted on 10/12/2010
Actually, even though I'm a coffee-addict, I'd say it should not be on there either. I get milk, juice & bottled water, they have nutritional or health value. But coffee's health value (sadly) still seems highly debatable.
Johnny - posted on 10/12/2010
Mmmm. lobster. I've eaten it a lot visiting the East Coast. Too expensive here, but we love crab bakes in the summer. So good! And nutritious. If it works for someone's budget to buy lobster, particularly with kids, I could not understand why they shouldn't. It's food right?
My issue with soda is that it is not a food. To me, it's the same as alcohol. If you can't buy alcohol with food stamps, why soda? I imagine it is for 2 reasons. That not many people have a "moral" issue with soda when many people are morally opposed to alcohol consumption. And secondly that Pepsi & Coca-Cola have very large pockets to spend on lobbying. I think that food vs. non-food is a pretty clear line to draw. It really bothers me that people think that those on food stamps should not be able to buy whatever food they choose or that the occasional treat is unacceptable or that it is wrong to spend more to get healthy food. It really irks me when I see people throwing junk food into the food bank boxes. Have some class!
Btw, I just found an interesting tidbit--the idea to prohibit food stamps from purchasing Soda was introduced by the House of Representatives in the Food Stamp Act of 1964. The Senate did not support that and the bill was passed to state that food stamps would cover all items intended for human consumption except alcohol and imported foods--that was the bill that established the first permanent food stamp program. So it's not a new idea.
Also, food stamps originally had to be purchased. For every stamp you purchased that would buy anything consumable, you got 3 stamps for specific, nutritious items. You could only buy them if you were poor, but it allowed you to buy a lot more food with a lot less money.
Charlene - posted on 10/12/2010
Ugh.. I can get you 100lbs of mussels for free.. tempted? Haha.
But yes, back to the OP. I haven't read the whole thread, but IMO.. it would be hard to police something like that, would it not?
I mean, I would love to see food stamps used for GOOD, healthy food, but I don't really care if a family gets some chips and pop for a family night or a treat. So I don't know exactly WHAT my stance is on this.
mmmmmm................I love lobster and crab! And shrimp too! Lobster is about $9-$10/lb here, and I don't like to cook it (or crab) so I only get it when we go out. I have a really good, really cheap shrimp recipe if anyone wants it.
Back to the food stamps thing, I don't care how much it costs, as long as it is nutritious, food stamps should cover it. The whole purpose of the program is to provide nutrition for people to live on. There is no nutritional value in Soda (or candy) so it technically, providing soda is not the same as providing nutrition.
Charlene - posted on 10/12/2010
Okay, so all I have to say about this thread in general is that you can all keep your dang lobsters, shrimp, crawfish and any other icky ocean food!! :P
As a matter of fact.. you can all come to PEI and eat all the seafood you want. The more that you take, the better!! Hehe.
I know we've moved on to lobster and such now, but...
Food stamps (at least here) are exempt from sales tax. I think there was something else I was going to address as well, but it was a page or two ago now and I forget.
Back to your crab and lobster debate... both of which I've eaten, but neither of which I've ever bought. I do buy shrimp on occasion though. It's one of the meats my son will actually eat.... sometimes. ;)
Similar to shrimp. But not "tiny little shrimp." Some crawfish are quit large! When boiling crawfish you add whole onions, corn, sausage, potatoes and tons of spices. The crawfish soak up all the flavors, that's what makes them so good. I honestly can't say that I've ever eaten a plain crawfish, so I couldn't describe that to you. I'd imagine that it tastes like the bland lobster I tried!
Isobel - posted on 10/12/2010
and yours burns our mouths...gqtm...or at least that's how I imagine it, I've never been there.
I know I made a big deal about the butter, but I actually don't use it anymore...it's salty and sweet all by itself mmmmm. I imagine crawfish to be like tiny little shrimp...no?
The meat of a crawfish tail is so much better (you don't have to suck the heads). Much less chewy and rubbery than lobster and it holds so much more flavor. When I had lobster (in Maine!) I couldn't eat it for lack of flavor. And yes, I smothered it with butter. That's the problem with living here. When you go elsewhere you can't eat the flavorless food!
Amie - posted on 10/12/2010
Because you are new to DM Bonnie. Check the members list and you're one of the first names to show up.
I did not mean you were new to CoM's but by your conversation post numbers, you are fairly new compared to others. Or at the very least, have not posted much if you have been around for awhile.
There have been others who have confused this debate board with real live debates. The two are not run similarly. If anything it's more like very heated discussions we have here. No one wins, no one loses, we share our opinions, some times facts and other tid bits. This board is not for the faint of heart though, we have had members leave because they could not handle it. That's fine. Here (DM) is not for everyone. There are some very opinionated ladies and some very educated ones.
My post was to point out the obvious, you are new and you do not know the relationships people have here. Some are very good friends, to an outsider it may not always seem like it though. I understand you were trying to defend another member (or maybe you don't see it that way but it is how it comes off) which is also why I directed you to the report button. If anything is questionable in your eyes, flag (report) it and the mods will look it over.
Now back to the topic at hand before a different mod says something to me about derailing a thread. haha
Jodi - posted on 10/12/2010
@ Bonnie, new means new to Debating Mums. Your name isn't familiar, so that's why we assume you are new. This is a fairly small community, so we get to know one another well. No-one meant to insult you by insinuating you were new.
Can we move on now please?
Bonnie - posted on 10/12/2010
Post another commentAmie T, if anything, I appreciate the fact you can see where I am coming from and I why I may have thought that, but what classifies me as being new here? I am curious to know that. Is it because I don't have nearly 5,000 conversation posts like you do? I know what a debate is that is not why I made the comments I did. Overall I didn't mean anything bad by it, I was just wondering why people were coming across that way that is all.
I have been involved in real live debates before and language like that was not used. So friends or not, don't see a point in it. But continue being funny if that's how you ladies choose to do it:-)
Bonnie - posted on 10/12/2010
Dana Schenk, that is exactly it...people are reading words and not hearing the tone in people's voices or seeing their facial expressions. That is the number one problem with computers is not knowing what tone people are using and how they are meaning to say it. And I meant it when I said, I had no idea you two or however many it was are friends. Literally how is someone suppose to know that?
I don't expect anyone to sing Kumbuya or any other song for that matter and don't really care if anyone does either. There are others on COM where people are not friends and they do say things that should not be said. That is all.
Isobel - posted on 10/12/2010
mmmmm lobsters...I agree with the ladies who say you are damned if you do and damned if you don't...it's not really fair to judge how people want to eat because they are poor (either way)
I also believe though that pop is candy...can you buy chocolate bars or gum with food stamps? if so then so be it...if not then I guess we know why.
It's simply not a grocery item. period.
Rosie - posted on 10/12/2010
kelly just made the point that i've been trying to make here. people on assistance can never win!! i don't know, i'm not on food stamps, and i don't really think that a restriction on soda would be a horrible thing for me, but where does it end? why does it matter? cause they get the same amount of money whether they are buying the soda, or the lobster or not, so it's not like they're spending more of the "taxpayer" money.
i get the whole argument that it may cause health problems and then they are most liikely to be on medical assistance too, so then we'd be paying for that as well. but i just don't know, where does it end?
I recieve food stamps and would probably not use it to buy lobster because I'd feel guilty lol For one thing, it's like $4.99 - $5.99 a pound. We're talking a good $30 just on lobster to have enough just for me & Steve. Even if it was the most delicious meal I'd had in years, the whole time eating it I would be calculating how much ground beef or pork chops that would have paid for....For another, Jacob loves the "lossters" and I wouldn't want to break his heart by trying to teach him how yummy they are lol
Liz, I agree that would be why I would want rollover! I'd ♥ to have enough for rollover!!! I just can't see WASTING the $$$ on Papa Murphys! I've seen the way they eat too, so it just kinda irked me...
WA State has sales tax on all items that are non-food. We are at 8.2% I believe-actually it depends by county? Seattle has closer to 9% I think... Soda and candy USED to NOT be taxed as it was placed in the same bracket as food. They have since passed an initiative that puts tax on soda, bottled water, and candy. This is supposed to only be a temporary tax for the next 2 yrs I believe, but when do they take taxes away? I'm sure it'll be here to stay! I figured it was only WA but thought it may lend credence for other areas, or the govt., to make a case for it being non-food thereby making it not eligible for food stamp coverage.
Sherri - posted on 10/12/2010
Yes Lobster here is only $4.99 for a 1lb lobster. So for our family I could get 4 lobsters for $20. I did splurge this past month and bought cod and I felt guilty because it was pricey. However, I knew it was also super healthy.
Erin I live in NH we don't have tax on anything. No sales tax, No taxes on anything accept an 18% percent prepared meals tax.
Lindsay - posted on 10/12/2010
Kelly, I think that is what some have said earlier. People will always judge. They can't win. If they are buying more "pricey" things, they are looked down on because people don't think they deserve anything above basic nutritional foods. But if they are buying "junk", they aren't giving their kids proper nutrition. People are full of judgements and regardless of what they put in their shopping cart, there's always someone out there that's going to say it's wrong.
Kelly-Well lobster would have to depend on where you live. In Montana you will pay way more then you would on the coast so I don't think it would be right in any way for me to pull out my EBT card to buy lobster for my family, it would be a $75 dinner easy. Shrimp I think is different but like Erin said jumbo prawns isn't the same as medium shrimp.
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