Gardasil- any moms plan on vaccinating their children with this?

Shauna - posted on 12/30/2010 ( 242 moms have responded )

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Gardasil- There are over 30 types of human papillomavirus (HPV) that will affect an estimated 75%-80% of males and females in their lifetime. For most, HPV clears on its own. But, for 30 women a day in the US (about 11,000 a year) certain types of HPV lead to cervical cancer.

Other types of HPV can cause genital warts in both males and females. It is estimated that each min in the US, there is a new case of genital warts.

young girls and boys can now be vaccinated between the ages of 9-26.

Is anyone planning on vaccinating either their son or daughter with this? Why or why not? I do plan on vaccinating my children.

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Krista - posted on 01/01/2011

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I am not putting other children at risk. If your vaccines are working so well for you then what do you have to worry about. What do you mean by...kids who are unable to to be vaccinated?

I am talking about children who are too young to be vaccinated.

I am talking about kids who have a family history of severe allergy to the vaccines.

If you are unable to vaccinate your own kids due to a history of severe reactions, then I have no quibble with that.

What I DO have a quibble with is people who brush off the very real dangers posed by diseases like whooping cough -- a disease that was almost unheard-of, but is now making a resurgence and is mutating into new strains, putting all of us at risk.

What I DO have a quibble with is when people talk about diseases like measles and mumps as though they are no big deal and just a normal rite of childhood. Mumps can render boys infertile. Measles can kill.

What I DO have a quibble with is people who will take the word of some unlicensed, patchouli-scented crackpot on the internet as gospel, but will claim that the CDC, the WHO, the APA, and every other reputable medical body out there is just a bunch of big fat liars, being bought off by Big Pharma.

I have a great big quibble when I hear of newborns being hospitalized for diseases that shouldn't be going around in the first place, and that WOULDN'T have been going around were it not for people spreading ignorance as fast as their fingers can type.

We have NO idea how lucky we are to have vaccines. And instead of being thankful for living in a time when we don't have to worry about our kids getting polio, we have people yammering all kinds of foolishness about how Big Pharma is out to poison us all.

You asked how I would feel if my child had been injured or died from a vaccination? Obviously I can't know, as that's not happened to me. But I am a rational person, and even if I chose to eschew vaccinations for my other children (which would be highly unlikely), I most certainly would not make a blanket statement that NO children should be vaccinated.

I know that everything I wrote above will probably be difficult for you to understand, due to my obvious lack of language skills. Goodness knows I'm known for that around here -- why, on a daily basis, the ladies here say, "Krista, I have no idea what it is that you are trying to say, you incomprehensible ninny! Why don't you just go back to your finger paints, already?"

Kate CP - posted on 01/01/2011

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Okay, I can't shut up any more.

1. Kids are getting things like pertussis even after being fully vaccinated because of the huge movement to NOT vaccinate: the strains are mutating. There are now more than ONE strain of pertussis floating around. They are becoming antibiotic resistant and people are still refusing to vaccinate their kids for it or get their booster shots as adults.
2. A person who has a family history of vaccine reaction OBVIOUSLY should be much more cautious about vaccinating their kids. This is kind of a "duh" statement to me. People with no family history of reactions and are just not giving vaccines because they bought all the frickin' hype (Thank you, Jenny McCarthy) drive me batty.
3. Saying that vaccines should be recalled is ludicrous. For a majority of the population the benefits FAR outweigh the risks and putting more people's lives at danger because of a small group of people is NOT in the public's best interest. Sorry, it sucks to be you and to have kids who can't be vaccinated, but that doesn't mean that kids who CAN be vaccinated should be put at risk because of it.
4. The reason why there is a federal fund for "vaccine injured patients" is so that way the small group of people who vaccinated and had reactions can get compensation without bankrupting the companies who make the vaccines that are safe for 98% of the population. This is also a "duh" statement.

I vaccinate my kids, I'm up to date on my shots (except gardasil because I'm not able to get it at this point) and I encourage my entire family to get their boosters as well because I love my family. My family has had no history of vaccine reactions on either side (including my husband's side) so I feel confident that my kids are not in a risk group for vaccine reactions. IF I had familial history of vaccine reactions you can bet your ass I would either do an altered schedule or find a way to skip vaccines or SOMETHING to make sure my kids are safe. If that meant no vaccines then I guess I'd do no vaccines.

Saying that all vaccines are dangerous for all kids in all circumstances because of the additives in them is just blatant propaganda. It's not true. Also, the bit about "eating it makes it okay" is crap. Your body processes everything through the kidneys and liver. Whether you eat it or it's introduced directly to your blood stream via a shot it's GOING to be filtered through your kidneys and liver and tossed out with the rest of the waist in your system. This is called basic biology.

Charlie - posted on 01/01/2011

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"until you've held an vaccine injured child.......you couldn't fathom REAL ANGER."

I've watched a four year old girl die from a preventable disease , yeah I was Angry , angry their country didn't have the money to provide enough vaccines to stop this unneccesary death , and before we start assuming things YES they have clean living conditions , YES they have clean water , YES they nutritional food what they lack as a country is money , sad but true people take our good health and immunty for granted which is sad , there are always casuaties in medicine and it is tragic but far less have adverse effects from vaccines than the deaths that would occur if they were not used at all , personally I wouldn't mind if all the unvaxed moved to an island away from general population so that those who truely cannot get vaccinated can have some kind of protection from their decision .

Krista - posted on 12/31/2010

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Lordy, another vaccination debate.

I swear to fuck, I wish every non-vaxxer parent could have one of those "It's a Wonderful Life" moments where they get to see what the world would be like if vaccinations had never been invented. They're so goddamn eager to bash all that stuff and to portray the medical community as evildoers who are rubbing their hands together with glee while they pump us full of poison -- I really, really wish they could get a glimpse of what the world would be like if that stuff had never been invented.

AND, if the drug companies and medical professionals are all part of this shadowy, widespread conspiracy to poison everybody, then they're not doing too good a fucking job of it, are they? Deaths from vaccines are pretty frigging minimal. And it's not like they're making all that much money off of the vaccines. They'd make a hell of a lot more money scrapping the vaccines, letting everybody contract these awful diseases, and then charging us through the nose to treat them.

And yes, I'm hostile, and yes, there is a need for my potty mouth. Anti-vaxxers piss me off to no end. If everybody stopped vaccinating and their kid contracted fucking polio, they'd be the first ones banging at Eli Lily's headquarters, demanding a cure.

Dana - posted on 01/02/2011

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I haven't been keeping up with this thread too much, I've just been popping in and out. I would like to say one thing.



Kelly, I don't think you realize it but, these woman whom you are debating with are very intelligent women. To say that they're just doing what they've been told without questioning is rather presumptuous. We've had this debate many times, many of them are well informed on the matter of vaccinations, none of us blindly follow what we're told.



And to bring up grammar in the middle of the debate? Many mothers are typing while breastfeeding and it's easier to type with one hand, quickly. You can either overlook that or continue to try and belittle people for it.



Lastly, I'll say it again, this is a great group of intelligent, and kind women, it's too bad you seem to not notice that.

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Lindsay - posted on 01/02/2011

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Ok it's obvious that the debate has run it's course. I'm locking this one up.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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"As well, I didn't expect that you would take the mockery well. However, under the rules of COM my mockery of a group in general does not constitute a personal attack. " -- Thank you. you just made my point for me.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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Sigh.

I'm really not sure how "objecting to being treated like an ignorant idiot" somehow equals "feeling bad about myself as a parent". Those were some pretty impressive mental gymnastics that led you to equate those two sentiments.

As well, I didn't expect that you would take the mockery well. However, under the rules of COM, my mockery of a group in general does not constitute a personal attack. So for you to claim that personal attacks were leveled at you is a false claim.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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"Lastly, I'll say it again, this is a great group of intelligent, and kind women, it's too bad you seem to not notice that." -- DITTO

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Oh good grief.........YOU told me how you felt with this statement "and to basically be treated as though we are ignorant ninnyhammers who are letting Big Pharma inject our children with poison because we're just too gosh darned dumb to know otherwise."

And I don't need to read any rules. Just because your mockery doesn't fall into that category doesn't mean its going to be received well by the person you're mocking. So ya, I got defensive. But it wasn't unfounded.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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You don't like me pointing out that vaccine have known toxins in them because it makes you feel bad as parents.

Well thank you, Kelly, for letting us know how we feel. Gosh, here I was thinking that I didn't like what you were saying because you're spreading misinformation and implying that vaccinating mothers are ignorant. I'm glad you set me straight on what my real motivations are, because goodness knows you know my mind better than I do.

And I think you may want to read the rules of COM a little more closely to see what constitutes a personal attack. Hint: my mockery of the anti-vax brigade as a whole, and my anger towards the anti-vax brigade as a whole? Doesn't qualify as a personal attack. Why? Because I was not singling out any individual person.

Dana - posted on 01/02/2011

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And here lies the ongoing problem "You don't like me pointing out that vaccine have known toxins in them because it makes you feel bad as parents." Again, presumptuous.
I'm not here to fight so I'll be done with this one.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Again, I've never said any of that.



I think its funny how its all about how you feel (collective you). From the moment I came in here I've been met with HUGE hostility and conflict all because I disagreed with vaccines and the scare tactics of the gardasil ads. I pointed that out and well...that just made for more hostility and cussing. Even tho cussing is permitted on the site it does mean that people will appreciate it. So, I don't like cussing and you don't like me pointing it out. You don't like me pointing out that vaccine have known toxins in them because it makes you feel bad as parents. I'm sorry about that but that is FACT. I don't really like being called an idiot and videos posted as to why I can't make friends with other moms. Oh wait, I wasn't DIRECTLY called an idiot, I think it went like this............maybe I don't understand because I'm not an idiot. I've been told things I say is completely false and when I post something to refute that, then I'm just being rude. I posted a hypothetical situation and I get a lecture about someone's father dying and how they still feel the raw hurt of that and thanks for the reminder. *sigh*



there was lots of talk about alties and "But Katherine, the CDC are part of a shadowy cabal financed by Eli Lily! You can't trust them! At least, that's what "HappeeMom" over at www.vacceensrevil.blogspot.com said, and she has all SORTS of proof!" -- oh wait, that was your post. So this wasn't a personal attack??? Your other posts were about why people like me piss you off and all the quibbles you have. I say, we're all just parents trying to do our best for our babies. Then its pointed out that thats the difference between me and you (collective you) That I only think of me and pro-vax people think of everyone and I'm just selfish like that. Good grief. We all know we would pick our own child over a stranger's child. Hence the whole sacrificial lamb analogy. Give up yours to save the rest of humanity. Of course eveything I say is wrong because I'm the evil non-vaxer. I'm ok with that. I am use to being the bad guy. However....even when I say that and tell others that what they say doesn't effect me, Then I'm just rude. Are you kidding me with this.



So yes, I can have a sharp tongue. But anything I've said has been warranted. I am replying, actually DEFENDING myself against you as a whole and thats fine but don't try to pretend you are not at fault for anything. There is herd mentality going on and major playground bullying.

Nikki - posted on 01/02/2011

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Wow, I only got through 6 pages. I agree with everything Krista, Kate and Kati said and couldn't put it better myself. Well said ladies!

Jodi - posted on 01/02/2011

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"First you are doing it because you've been told to. Its mainstream and you've known nothing else."



That's a rather brave assumption, and also rather insulting to every person here who HAS decided to vaccinate. You are assuming we have not researched. I come from a time when MANY of these vaccines were not available. Of course I've known different. Of COURSE I questioned it - I never had half these vaccinations as a child because they weren't available until AFTER I already had the disease. So of course I questioned it, because I survived the diseases, didn't I? You know what they say about assuming, don't you?



Like most women here, I don't blindly vaccinate because that's what I am told to do. I vaccinate because it is important in keeping my children healthy, both directly, and indirectly through an attempt to eliminate these potentially debilitating diseases.

Kim - posted on 01/02/2011

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My son is 11 and so far there hasn't been mention of it. I think I will wait if the Dr says anything about it. I've heard too many stories and would like a little longer to hear that it is worth it. When my son is finally ready to have the talk we will also mention the vaccine and if we think he should have it we will make sure he gets it before being sexually active. I was hoping by now there would be less adverse reactions so I wouldn't have to think about having him get it.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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I'm not going to pretend that I agree with something just to make everyone happy.



And nobody expects you to.



However, nor do we expect to be belittled for our grammar and language, and to basically be treated as though we are ignorant ninnyhammers who are letting Big Pharma inject our children with poison because we're just too gosh darned dumb to know otherwise.

~Jennifer - posted on 01/02/2011

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....I'm about to jam a syringe full of liquid aluminum, mercury and egg into my eye.
I'll let you all know if I have any adverse reactions.

Carry on.
=)

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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"However, your overall negative viewpoint towards vaccinations goes far beyond that." -- I'm not going to pretend that I agree with something just to make everyone happy. What was said to me earlier.......this is a debate forum we look forward to differing views.

Stifler's - posted on 01/02/2011

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I'm pretty sure doctors will ask you if you're allergic to egg before you get the flu shot.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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Actually most said they wouldn't vaccinate if they have a family history of reactions either.

That's right. But none of those women have said that those who DO vaccinate are making their children sacrificial lambs. There is not one thing wrong with skipping or delaying vaccinations IF you have a family history of averse reactions. However, your overall negative viewpoint towards vaccinations goes far beyond that.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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"your reasons have been debated by many of the well informed women on this thread backed with fact , I haven't missed your point I just do not agree" -- and you're welcome to disagree. I actually didn't see anyone debate or disagree with my reasoning. Actually most said they wouldn't vaccinate if they have a family history of reactions either.

You're right of course, people comment and others reply. the difference however is, I'm replying to about 50 different people and you're replying to one. I am only following the course of the conversation.

Charlie - posted on 01/02/2011

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Haha ok Kelly you have obviously run your course on this thread , no pity party here my dear you type I respond , you make a comment about loss and I respond with how I would feel and I feel according to my experiance you don't like hearing about ? that's fine I can still relate it .

You make comments with very little thought to others much like your attitude towards vaccinations , your reasons have been debated by many of the well informed women on this thread backed with fact , I haven't missed your point I just do not agree .

With that said I bow out of this thread given you have very little to say on the topic that warrents debate .

Rosie - posted on 01/02/2011

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why are you being so rude? you're the only one here commenting on peoples grammar, language skills, and insulting the hell out of people? can you please argue your point without personally attacking people?

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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WHA-?? No, I don't want the board shut down. You said you weren't interested in my straw men. I said then the whole board should be shut down because everyone is guilty of posing hypothetical situations. That risk assessment is all about the hypothetical. I am not crying poor me. Talk about flattering yourself. Nothing you could say could effect me in such a way that I'd hold a pity party. If memory serves you're the only one pulling pity cards.

"that you have no substantial reason for not vaccinating aside from protecting your own " -- my reasons have been stated more then once, I'm sorry you keep missing it.

Charlie - posted on 01/02/2011

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Not trying to make you feel bad just stating the truth to how your comment affected me , you have issue with my grammer which has little to do with the topic much like your lack of paragraphs between quotes and personal posts ( yes it is also hard to read ) *shrug* but I digress ...

You want to shut down the board because people disagree with you ? Kelly you have come into this debate aiming venom at people then crying poor me , you have done very little to present a valid side to your argument , the only reason this could be shut is that you have no substantial reason for not vaccinating aside from protecting your own ( nobel thought but it isn't what you are doing in reality ) thus having no real debate .

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Touche!!!!! You're right...I did do that. It's not even a matter of doing homework....it was just never a question. We did a poll outside a popular franchise Nutrition House in 3 locations. We asked vaccinating parents if they'd ever been warned about reactions...if they were ever given a pamphlet and if they were given the required consultation before administering vaccines. It was just for fun and to prove a point....I'd say 95% of parents were never offered anything.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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Fair enough, but you DID assume that Loureen (to whom that comment was addressed) was the same as those parents and had not done her homework or her research before deciding to vaccinate her child. Your experience may be different, but I can assure you that many of the mothers here who have vaccinated their children HAVE done their homework -- they simply came to different conclusions than you did.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Loureen, holy run on sentences!!!!!!!
I'm sorry for your loss however trying to make me feel bad is ridiculous. Straw men fallacies?? Then this entire board should shut down. Risk assessment is all about the hypothetical.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Krista, don't put words in my mouth. I never called you that. At the vaccine seminars that is the FIRST thing parents said......its always been this way, we never knew any different and never thought to question it. You can read into that comment all you want but that is not how it was intended.

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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First you are doing it because you've been told to. Its mainstream and you've known nothing else.

So now you're basically saying that mothers who vaccinate are brainless, obedient sheep who obviously haven't done a lick of research about vaccinations.

Gee, and you wonder why people are hostile towards you...

Charlie - posted on 01/02/2011

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Yes 56 deaths are tragic but compared to the 11 million children that die from preventable disease EVERY year because of their lack of access to vaccines I would say it is the minority , how would I feel if it were my daughter ? sorry building starw men to argue with has nothing to do with my stance I do not have daughters and I think as a parant you should know how I would feel if someone I loved died and given my father just died I certainly still feel the very raw pain that loss comes with thank you for the reminder but lets stick to my position when addressing me instead of using the starw man fallacy to engage in debate and as for goody two shoes I will take that as a compliment , thanks I do try and live a good life .with others in my mind .

Krista - posted on 01/02/2011

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@Becky: I don't believe that the majority ever will be non-vaxing, so I'm not worried.

That's the thing, though. For herd immunity to become ineffective, it doesn't require for the non-immunized to make up a majority -- it simply requires that the percentage of immunized people fall below a certain percentage (usually anywhere from 65 - 85% depending on the disease, if I recall correctly.)

So the numbers in the anti-vax brigade don't need to be THAT big. They just need to be big enough, and if you combine those numbers with the people who cannot vaccinate due to allergies or other conditions, and then you also throw in the lazy adults who haven't kept up on their boosters?

You may not be worried, but I am.

Minnie - posted on 01/02/2011

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An alternate schedule would probably be best. No one I know has had any problems with vaccines, of course they didn't have the high-aluminum combination vaccines when we were children. So maybe simply avoiding those would help ease my concerns.

Kate CP - posted on 01/02/2011

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Lisa: All valid concerns, I think. If you want to vaccinate but it makes you nervous maybe an alternate schedule would be a good idea? If you've not had any familial history of vaccine reactions it's probably not a big deal. But I do understand where you're coming from.

Minnie - posted on 01/02/2011

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Ok, I'll come out with it, lol. I am TOTALLY on the fence about vaccines. It is the ONE thing in my parenting journey where I haven't been able to come to a conclusion I'm comfortable with.



What I fear are the additives...things like 1225 mcg of aluminum in the pentacel vaccine injected into a 12 lb two-month old. I get that their liver and kidneys will process it...obviously...but can they process that amount quickly enough without it doing damage? I think that for that weight the FDA daily limit is about 22.5 mcg. I don't believe that the CDC is out to get us at all...but for those of you who cite the CDC as a credible source on this subject, how do you reconcile the discrepancy with the CDC apparently being fine with injecting large amounts of additives into infants vs. the FDA stating daily maximum limits? It's something I have difficulty processing.



That is my main fear, what the additives might do to my children in the realm of neurological problems...and I'm not shouting autism here...so I have not vaccinated purely because I want to be sure of my decision. I am leaning toward getting the girls current...but frankly it scares the pants off me. I fear my amazingly smart and vibrant little girls losing their personality...ability to reason...and yes, of course due to sensationalism from those who are anti-vaccine.



Ugh...need some reassurance, lol. I'm probably silly. I'm sure that all of you with vibrant, intelligent, witty children have not noticed a change after vaccination...I guess it's a hang-up I have to get over.



My husband has been wonderfully gentle and supportive of my concerns and has simply let me work through this as I come around...even though he does feel they need to be vaccinated.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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"There is no such thing as artificial immunity. Either you're immune or you're not." -- I was commenting on this post but I've decided you're an insatiable right fighter and quite frankly not worth my energy.

Kate CP - posted on 01/02/2011

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How am I wrong "again"? Because you found a definition for vaccination that doesn't contradict what I've been saying?

Becky - posted on 01/02/2011

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I don't believe that the majority ever will be non-vaxing, so I'm not worried.

Jenn - posted on 01/02/2011

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I love the way when people point out something to very clearly contradict what the other person believes to be gospel, using facts to back them up, they just ignore that part of your post and continue on with their rambling and verbal diarrhea. How about so we can all agree, that it doesn't matter HOW you become immune to something - you are either immune or you are not - "real" or "artificial" - who fucking cares?

~Jennifer - posted on 01/02/2011

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wow.....this thread is just a little fucking ray of sunshine on a cloudy day, now isn't it?
=)

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Artificial immunity....you said there was no such thing. I was just proving you wrong. Again.

Mother - posted on 01/02/2011

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Kate, I never MADE anything sound like anything. I gave a list of what the popular growing mediums were. Cucumbers not being one of them. If you inferred something different....thats your problem.

Rosie - posted on 01/02/2011

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how many times does it need to be stated that the girls who had autopsies DID NOT DIE FROM GARDASIL!!

Kate CP - posted on 01/02/2011

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Kelly: Everyone has already stated that a child who has reactions to shots should be exempt from getting vaccines! NO ONE is saying that those kids should get vaccinated regardless of how dangerous it is FOR THEM to be vaccinated. What we have a problem with is the non-vaccinating community saying that those of us who DO vaccinate our children (who DON'T have reactions to vaccines) are leading our children to slaughter like lambs; or we're gullible; or we've bought into the hype of vaccines. YOU can't vaccinate, Kelly. FINE! But that doesn't mean that the rest of us who DO vaccinate are making the wrong choice for OUR kids!

Kate CP - posted on 01/02/2011

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I had never heard of cucumber as a growing medium. How odd. Are you sure? Because they need cell tissue. this is why they use chick embryos, monkey kidney, aborted human fetal tissue, cow serum, rabbit or rat brains, pig, dog, bird and even insects.

Okay, the "aborted fetal tissue" is a line of cells developed over 30 years ago. You make it sound like they grind up bugs and put it in a vaccine and they don't.

Secondly...so, an "artificial immunity" to you is just one that is acquired by deliberately introducing an antigen to the body? So those chicken pox parties would be a method of artificial immunity according to the definition you provided. An acquired immunity is still being immune to an antigen. It doesn't matter how your body is introduced to it.

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