GAY MARRIAGE

Angela - posted on 02/15/2011 ( 66 moms have responded )

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I know there have been several topics posted about gay Marriage in regards to the church, However I would just like to know opinions in general...

What do you think about it?

Personally,Iam all for Gay Marriage! I believe it shouldnt matter if a woman/woman or man/man want to get married,I think its beautiful. They are living,breathing people just like you and I and they should not be seen any differently,they deserve the same rights as heterosexual couples do.

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JuLeah - posted on 02/16/2011

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@ Amanda who brought up the fact and a % of all animals are gay ... A preacher once explained to me that you do sometimes see farm animals acting out 'gay sex' but that is only because they were taught by gays in an effort to make the 'nature' argument.

Yup ... he's on to us. Late at night, small groups of gay sneak onto farms for gays animal training ....

But, on another note, and this is important to me ... being gay is not about sex ... homosexuality has nothing to do with sex. In fact, as I sit here typing this (not having sex in this moment) I am still gay.

It is about who we are drawn to, attracted to, fall for, fall in love with, build a life with, raise children with .... for all couples, sex is an important part of that, but not the thing that defines us.

Jenny - posted on 02/16/2011

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Don't use religion as a shield. There are plenty of Christians and people from other religions who are perfectably fine accepting everybody equally. The days of using religion as an excuse for bigotry are over and we need to call it out when we see it.

JuLeah - posted on 02/15/2011

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I think, and Ellen agrees with me, that the term Gay Marriage puts too much pressure on us. We can't be happy ALL the time?
Marriage is a civil liberty, and not connected with religion unless you want it to be. It is a civil right, like the right to vote.
My marriage won't end another person's marriage. There is just no research to back up the claim that if we 'allow' gay marriage, the institution of marriage itself will fall.
I heard one fellow say, "But I have to protect my family?"
From what? Me? I am five foot nothing and really not that frightening.
As I understand history (college courses) no one really cared that much about who was sleeping with who as long as young women from wealthy families married the right guy and produced a son.
She was free to have a 'companion' and no one really cared.
Poor women were also free to have a 'companion' and didn't even have to produce a son first.
My G-Grandmother, marred at age 16, was widowed by age 21, and had a 'companion' shortly there after and for the rest of her life.
Score one for the genetic argument
But, back to my point, history ... well, many women (with and without companions) started to talk as they hung out. Sewing circles were a chance to women to discuss their lives and questions came up like; "Now why can't we vote?" "Why can't women become doctors?"
A lot of questions were asked, but the one about voting caused the most disturbance.
So, preachers reread the bible and came up with passages that indicated women should stop talking to each other and get back into the kitchen.
Laws were passed and the public was slowly conditioned to accept that 'companions' were a slap in the face to God, our Flag, and Apple Pie.
It was political, as are most movements of hate.

JuLeah - posted on 02/16/2011

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@ Jessica
Okay, this is hot button for me. Being gay is not about sex.
Rape has nothing at all to do with sex.
Priests that rape little boys are not gay. They are pervs, they are pedophiles.

Something like 98% of all pedophiles are straight men.

Pervs rape to cause pain, to control, to dominate.

If a man were to rape a six month old girl, would you honestly think it had anything to do with sexual attraction?
No, of course not, and a priests raping a little boy also has nothing to do with sex or sexual attraction.

Kids are getting hurt, and part of the reason this problem still exists is our refusal to see it for what it is.

Rape is about power and control; that’s it. Sex is fun for all involved. Sex is not rape. Rape has nothing to do with sex.

If you castrate a rapist, he will still commit the act of rape, but will use a flashlight, a bat, a knife… the penis is used as a weapon simply because it is there and convenient.

Gay men don’t rape little boys. Perpetrators do.

Gay men in American communities are beaten and/or killed each time another priests is call out for raping a boy.

Fox News calls it ‘gay rape’ for the purpose of creating additional hate towards gay men, and it works.

Is it possible that some priests are gay, yes. Is it possible that a priests who is gay is also a perpetrator and rapes little boys, yes that is also a possibility though very slim, because the number of priests that are gay is so very low and the number of gay men that are also perps is so very low.

So, as I said, kids are getting hurt. Kids are not raped because their jeans were too tight and they just look so sexy. They are raped because that is what perps do and perps walk among us, because we refuse to see them for who they are. We don’t want to think our Uncle or brother is a perp, so we will just go beat up the gay boy.

Krista - posted on 02/16/2011

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Here's a question: what the hell IS a "gay lifestyle"?

Seriously, does what one gets up to in the bedroom actually determine the nature of one's lifestyle? I mean, we don't hear about the "heterosexual lifestyle", do we?

And just to add, I fucking HATE the term "lifestyle" when it comes to talking about gay people? Why? Because everybody who uses it tends to use it in the context that this is the lifestyle that these people have CHOSEN. And I'm sorry, but if you think that being gay is a choice, then I have little to no respect for your intelligence.

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Eva - posted on 01/21/2014

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I recently found out my daughter is gay. Prior to this, I was against gay marriage, but now, I don't mind, as long as my daughter can be happy with someone she loves.

Meghan - posted on 02/18/2011

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Everyone is entitled to be unhappy :P The thing that gets me the most is, heterosexual divorce rates are so high, how can straight people argue the sanctity of marriage?

Tara - posted on 02/17/2011

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I have a south paw and yes she can be *eviler* than the others, but she is also the most lateral thinker out of all of them.
She can also write a whole sentence completely backwards, including all letters so that when you hold it up to a mirror you can read it perfectly. :) she can also write normally ,lol

Krista - posted on 02/17/2011

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Mmm...gay coffee. Tastes like inequality and show tunes!

(Sorry, JuLeah -- I couldn't resist...)

Brandi - posted on 02/17/2011

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I don't have a problem with gay marriage. I could see how a preacher or minister may not want to marry them as it goes against the Bible. Most people do the traditional wedding out of the Bible, so maybe that is why... it would be going against God.

BUT, these days just about anyone can qualify to be an officiant, so... if they can get someone who has no problem marrying them, then I don't have a problem with it. It is their life. If it happens to be true what the Bible says, it won't be me, it would be them. So, I think everyone should just get over it. I have many gay friends, and I love them, and they never hit on me because they know where I stand.

GO FOR IT!

Jessica - posted on 02/16/2011

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I think any form of love is beautiful, whether it be gay, bisexual, two skinnies or two obese people, who the hell cares. We are all humans, with beating hearts, blood pulsing through our veins, emotions running wild in our bodies. Just because a man prefers to love another man, or a woman chooses another woman, its still the same. Its still that raw emotion that is so strong it could overpower anything...
And as fo the whole religion thing, someone needs to wake up and smell the gay coffee lol Apparently it says so in the bible, along the lines of homoseuals are sinners and will burn in hell? Lets take a look at the common priest shall we? God's own 'right-hand man' is he not? His messenger on earth? Well for someone being 'so close to God' how can they themselves be guilty of God's #1 'hatred' (for lack of a better term)? Many priests are closet gays, they prey on innocent male children. So I'd like to know when the heck society will wake up and realize not everyone believes in that religious bull.

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2011

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I have a gay best friend called Scott, he is awesome. He doesn't want to get married though.

Nikkole - posted on 02/16/2011

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sorry im a bit behind had to go to the Dr. i have the flu :( but any who...... I have talked to many on this subject and everyone i know agree's with me (except gay friends and family members) I feel that i am against it both religious AND personal beliefs.! I am NOWHERE near a prefect Christian i have done wrong but i try to be the best i can be for my religion AND self :) ! I love every one just because i disagree with a way of life, lifestyle or whatever doesn't mean i con dim you to hell i would NEVER say that. A quick story my Uncle is a preacher he owns his own church it was my great grandfathers also but his daughter after numerous failed attempts with men went to women she has been with this women for years and is now pregnant :) but when her father found out he tried to kill her girlfriend and to this day they hate her but the funny thing is his son is a cheater and he loves him to death if you believe both are soo wrong why treat one better than the other?? Needless to say7 we don't attend his church anymore! But if gay men and women want to marry all power to them i wouldn't take that right away not my place!

JuLeah - posted on 02/16/2011

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@ Erica ... here is my theroy ... gay men don't fear us. We won't judge, they will never come up short, we don't really care in a way that will damage their ittle egos :)
Men say to me, "I can talk to you". Plus, we often have crushes on the same movie stars

Erica - posted on 02/16/2011

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I see nothing wrong with gay marriage. I had plenty of gay friends in high school and often enough wondered why they were able to find really cute guys when I wasn't able to find any :P- I agree that the bible has been used to many times for this...but the main thing I have to stick too is...I don't have the right to judge one way or another..

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2011

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I'm the only lefty in my immediate family but my dad's sister is a leftie. She got turned ambidextrous at school too.

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That's shocking Emma, I thought left handed discrimination had stopped now. I know my nan made my mom write with her right hand as when she was born it was thought you were thick if you were left handed...I think it runs in our family though my mom, my brother, even I have several left handed tendancies (even though I'm a rightie), and from watching Ethan I think he is going to be a leftie :-)

Gotta love the lefties, you evil ones lol

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2011

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I've actually experienced left-handed discrimination. My chinese boss told me I was not allowed to use a cleaver because I am left handed and that boys are better than girls at everything. I laugh.

Sal - posted on 02/16/2011

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left handed...my little one is left handed, she is soooo left anded she swings one arm only when running and almost runs around in circles...it is so funny, and yes evil-lol

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It wasn't so long ago that people thought people who were left handed were evil, the understanding taken from the Bible is not always accurate...I feel many of the quotes used to defend keeping homosexuals as sinners are misinterpreted like many others before them. It saddens me when people use their religious beliefs to hide their own private bigotry - as a Christian I have been taught not to judge and to love people, we are all sinners in some way, however, loving someone of the same sex does not make one a sinner!

Sal - posted on 02/16/2011

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gay marriage should not be a church decision, it is a personal rights issue, not a religous issue,so what if a church won;t marry them, let the state do it,
but seriously looking for passages to back up religious views in the bible is like looking for an "expert" to support your beliefs on the web, you'll find one, no matter what you think, for fuck sake someone found a cannible to eat him and a cannible found a willing meal, you can find anything, no matter what you believe there will always be a passage open to an interpritation that will back you up.....but that is it, it is an interpritation of someone elses words, like trying to work out the meaning of a poem or song lyrics, what was written 2000 years ago can't possible have the literal same meaning today as it did then, we know more, we have seen more, we have more education and a greater oppertunity to scientific information, where as a few hundred years ago (or not even that long) some saw gay as being an evil choice people make now we know (or at least i feel) that it isn;t a choice it i how you were made, and yes god wouldn't make you gay if it wasn't alright, lets think like killling the red heads, they also thought that witches were real because they had no uinderstanding of many thing and looked to blame someone, now we know that witches don;t cause milk to sour, land to dry out, babies to die, boys not to be conceived, we know better so we do better and i feel this is the case with gay marriage, we know better we should do better....

JuLeah - posted on 02/16/2011

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@ Becky ... you bring up a good point. There was a time in history that red headed children were killed, as they were thought to be the devil's child. I am sure someone justified with by saying 'it's in the bible' and many many folks, not that long ago, used the bible to defend slavery .... they used to bible to speak out against interracial marriage, the bible was used to justify the holocaust wich killed 10 million, the bible was used to defend the laws that kept folks of color out of the armed forces, the bible was used to explain who women could not vote ... I could go on, but the point has been made.

One day, in the future, when the bible is being used to express hate towards ... short people with long hair ... on a debate page such as this, another person will bring up the fact, "Yah, but remember the bible was also wants used to discrimate against folks who were gay and we now know that was wrong" ....

Becky - posted on 02/16/2011

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Okay, I will "come out of the closet" and admit that I was brought up to believe homosexuality was a sin as well. But lately, I have been questioning those beliefs. The main reason is that there seems to be more and more evidence that sexual preference is indeed a genetic thing, just as much as our genders, eye colors, etc are. And I simply cannot understand how God could create a certain group of people and then say that the way they are is a sin. That would be like declaring that having red hair was a sin or being black was a sin. I do know what the Bible says about it, but there have been many writers who speculate that passages referring to homosexuality as a sin are actually referring to specific acts or to something else. So, I am not entirely sure yet where I stand, but what I do know is that 1. whether or not homosexuality is a sin, all of us are sinners, so if it is, who cares? I'm still no better than someone who is a homosexual. I mean, heavens, I had sex before I was married! And not only with my husband! Horrors! and 2. We are not called to judge or to decide what is and what is not a sin. Intolerance and hatered have no place in the lifestyle of a true follower of Christ. So I will just continue to view gays as people, and that's that.

Angela - posted on 02/16/2011

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"...if you read the bible it is not accepted..."

Well there are lots of things that are not accepted in the bible that everyone does and Im pretty sure that you do too.

We understand its your opinion,and we respect that. Its a debating forum and we are going to challenge it :)

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2011

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@ JuLeah Willson - Im wondering who the sneeky bugger that went into ocean at night and taught dolphins LOL!

I hope in 20-40 years there wont even need to be debate, that it will be normal to love whomever you like, and no one will question it, or even think twice about it. I grew up with an uncle who liked men, and I have an aunt who is married to an other woman. I love that my children dont even ask why their cousin has two mommies, because its not important to my children, they understand that you are allowed to love any person you like in Canada (as long as they arent a minor), and you have zero rights to tell a person it is wrong to love the same sex, or a different race.

Krista - posted on 02/16/2011

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I am just posting MY opinion thats what the op asked FOR im sorry if you all don't like it but they are MY beliefs and my opinion!

Yup. And the nice thing about a debate board is that we're allowed to challenge each other on those opinions.

Rosie - posted on 02/16/2011

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i am definitely all for treating human beings with respect and giving equal rights to all. this says it all for me :

Jenny - posted on 02/16/2011

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They sure are Nikkole and this being a debate forum I will debate your views and hopefully you will mine.



Have you ever challenged your beleifs, sat down and gave it some real thought? OR do you just accept it as, well it's in the bible, that's that. Seeing as the bible was wrote by man, what if a homophobe changed the connotation of the word? Or are you reading in it's original language (aramaic I think or was it latin?) Have you talked to more accepting Christians and asked them how they reconcile accepting us all as equal with their faith and the bible? Or do you really beleive it is wrong and it's not coming from your religion at all but you can get away with using that as a cover?

Nikkole - posted on 02/16/2011

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I am just posting MY opinion thats what the op asked FOR im sorry if you all don't like it but they are MY beliefs and my opinion! Its not like im protesting AGAINST gay marriage or i throw rocks at people who are gay i just said religious beliefs and yes my own beliefs YES other Christians and religions believe its ok but if you read the bible it is not accepted im not going to argue about this because its pointless i was just stating my opinion and thats that!

Angela - posted on 02/16/2011

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"Don't use religion as a shield. There are plenty of Christians and people from other religions who are perfectably fine accepting everybody equally. The days of using religion as an excuse for bigotry are over and we need to call it out when we see it."

Completley agree with you jenny.

Nikkole - posted on 02/16/2011

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Im am against it because of religious beliefs! BUT who am i to judge or say someone can not get married because they are gay or not, Its not my job to judge that is God's job (my beliefs again) So i will leave that up to him i have a lot of gay people in my family and i still love them do i agree with there life styles no but i will always be there for them and love them!

Jenny - posted on 02/16/2011

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Being against gay marriage is simply one of the douchiest things you can do. It's telling another person their form of family is not as important as yours even though their marriage doesn't affect you in any way. It is not a ethically defendable standpoint.

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2011

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Here is a good view on homosexuality and religion. If god believes homosexuality is a sin, why do countless mammals (which HUMANS are), are gay? God makes no mistakes, and that inculdes who we choose for a lover.

Sharon - posted on 02/16/2011

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I'm all for gay marriage.

Amy? How will "gay" end in one generation if gay children are born to straight people?

I've heard a lot of gay people say they don't care if its ever legal. I think they should think again. A legal marriage affords the spouses several protections. Shared property. The legal right to make medical decisions for an injured spouse. The legal right to shared children. etc. Right now, for most states, if your partner is injured or incapacitated, there is nothing their gay partner can do about it. If the house is in one partners name and not anothers' they're screwed in a "divorce".

No, it needs to be their concern.

Bonnie - posted on 02/16/2011

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It doesn't bother me any. People should be able to do what they feel no matter their gender.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2011

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Religion and State should be seperate.... that's all I have to say on this.



edit to add: ok maybe i do have one question for religious people who are opposed to gay marriage. I understand it being against (some) of your beliefs. And as one person once explained it to me: they couldn't vote yes on a bill because that would mean they're condoning it. But didn't God give man free will? wouldn't he want you to bestow that gift onto others? I can see not wanting to marry them in the church. But marriage doesn't have to be a religious union.

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2011

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I'm all for it! a happy marriage is a happy marriage whether it's between two men, two women, or a man and a woman! why shouldn't a gay couple be entitled to the same benefits my husband and i are entitled to as a married couple? it's sad that we have denied homosexuals for so long

Jackie - posted on 02/16/2011

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the military originally thought that gays would cause problems within the ranks... and 20 years ago, it would have.

We are talking about people who have the capacity and the mindset to kill and they all have access to weapons... even women in the military is still debated because of the emotional/mental charge it has with front lines.

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2011

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The military isn't a religious organisation though. There's no reason for them to reject gays.

Jackie - posted on 02/16/2011

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It wasnt a secret that gays were not allowed in the military... so asking for compensation for a risk that "you" took is silly IMO. It is like that girl who sued the boy scouts for not allowing her in... or the gays who sued eHarmony because that is a religious dating service who believes same sex relations is a sin. Using law suits to force a right isn't really a right but more of a manipulation/terrorist tactic.

Amanda - posted on 02/16/2011

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10 years ago Canada legalized gay marriage. A few weeks ago the first couple to get married under the law got remarried. I cried, this time they were able to get married without bullet proof vests, heavy police guards, and there was love in the air, instead of fear that they might be killed for having the right to love the person they love.

Stifler's - posted on 02/16/2011

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I would want an official apology and compensation if I got kicked out of the military and I was gay too.

Jackie - posted on 02/16/2011

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with so many gay who were "kicked" out, if the military dismisses the dont ask/tell rule then a lot of the gays will want financial reimbursement for being dismissed. That would bankrupt the country and military... should be that was under the "old rule" and now under the "new rule", it is okay. Especially if gay marriage is legal, the medical and financial benefits that go with military pay... should begin at the date of "legal" across America. This civil union thing doesn't work since it is state to state and military families move every few years (if not sooner).

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I not only don't have a problem with it, I am outspoken in my determination to fight the bigotry (and sometimes violence) that happens in opposition to Gay Marriage. I do not believe that any of us are free until ALL of us are free!

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As long as the couple loves each other and truely want to spend the rest of their lives together (at least when they commit to marriage) then I really couldn't care if they are two men, two women, a man and a woman, or any mix of the colour of the rainbow. Why should my love be worth more than someone elses, everyone deserves the chance at happiness!

Jackie - posted on 02/16/2011

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I am for gay couples to get married, i just dont think benefits should be retroactive. Same for gay in the military, I am for it but I dont think they should be allowed to sue or get retro benefits. Once the law changes, their benefits start from that day.

Sal - posted on 02/16/2011

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i just don;t understand why not.....people say it is because it is a religious reason, but now mariage isn't a religious thing, a lot of people get married in churches but it is a govt thing not a church thing.....gay people can live together, but property together, have babies together, why not marry, the only thing i can think against gay marriage is there are already toooo many wedding shows, bridzilla shows, cake shows, and too many weddings in general, i doubt i can take much more wedding mania..lol

Becky - posted on 02/15/2011

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It doesn't affect me or my marriage. Plus, everyone should have an equal opportunity to be miserable and oppressed! (kidding!)

Editted to add, it's been legal in Canada for several years now, and as far as I know, our society hasn't crumbled yet and I haven't heard of any "traditional" families suddenly vaporizing due to the introduction of same-sex families.

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Religion is a major reason that it is considered taboo to marry same sex.If religion didn't have such a hold on some then government would be as powerful either.I say to each their own...

(So, preachers reread the bible and came up with passages that indicated women should stop talking to each other and get back into the kitchen.)

Johnny - posted on 02/15/2011

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I am very much in favor. Everyone should get the same chance at bliss or disaster. Besides, if I ever leave my husband for Sophia Vergara, I want to lock her down and make sure she can't run off ;-P

Oh, and I've got little patience for the opposite argument. To me it's like arguing that people of different races shouldn't marry. The same excuses were used for that bullcrap back in the day. I'm glad to live where it is now 100% legal and no one seems to be all that upset about it anymore.

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