Getting rid of the religous schools?

Elizabeth - posted on 02/25/2013

Who cares what Alberta Canada does with their school system. When private schools are told they can no longer stay open - then this country will be under a socialistic America. Every change that is happening in this country is not necessarilly a good one!

Julia - posted on 02/24/2013

Cindy, if your grammar is the product of a public school education I am happy my child is a Catholic school student. @Elizabeth, remember religious tolerance starts not just with our leaders but with us and how we treat our neighbors. As a Christian the best way I can demonstrate my Christian beliefs is to befriend my Muslim neighbors. However, I do see your point. Bashing Christians has become quiet fashionable among those who preach tolerance.

Cindy - posted on 02/24/2013

religion is a personal choice and has no right being taught in schools ban em all i say.
making one religions schools is just the opposite of what we want. RELIGION SHOULD BE PRACTICED AT HOME NOT IN SCHOOLS. THERE FOR LEARNING ACTUAL FACTS.
before we know it there gonna start teaching fairytale,s in schools.

Elizabeth - posted on 02/17/2013

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE ABOUT CATHOLICS LOOKING DOWN AT ANY OTHER RELIGION OR THINKING THAT THEY ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. We are not living in the dark ages and Christians have been part of this country's heritage over hundreds of years. I see the Hindus, Jewish, Asians in this country practicing their own religion peaceably and dont fuss over everything our country stands for, minding their own business. I think if any religion gives this country problems it will be the Muslims, yet people seem to be on their knees to this religion while throwing stones at Catholics and Christians. You ever try throwing stones at the Muslim Mosks in their country, you would be stoned! A town in Chicago of 400,000 Muslims pray 3-5 times a day in the open which has become annoying to the public but the city council wont do a thing about all the racket they make 5 times a day. But if you ring the church bell on Sunday in Egypt or any other Arab country they will protest and get their way even to the point of burning Chrisitian churches. If you are atheist that is fine but mind your own business when it comes to others who feel good about attending their own church. As Ronald Reagan quoted "IF WE EVER FORGET THAT WE ARE A NATION UNDER GOD, THEN WE WILL BECOME A NATION GONE UNDER."

Elizabeth - posted on 02/17/2013

You know I am sick and tired of this quest to destroy religion and now Catholic schools. How dare they. Catholic schools are just the same as private ones and if I desire to place my children in St. Pius and pay for it -- I will - and you ignorant people out there should mind your own business. I was raised a Catholic and now that I am an adult I dont always believe in some of the preachings, however, who believes in EVERYTHING in this country anyway but I will always appreciate my church even if I dont attend regularly. Thanks to the little I got out of the Catholic religion while growing up I am a better person. My children have grown into loving, ambitious, responsible young people because they have touched on religion. They are not fanatics but know the difference between right and wrong along with every day common sense. Did you know that Christianity has helped the world. Go to the starving places in the world and you will always find Christianity right in the middle of it. LIBERALS are tearing up everything that is decent in this world. We are becoming COPYCATS - upside country. I dont ask you to be a righteous dire in the woods religious people just a tip of the iceberg will help keep our children contribute to a better world! Look at your high tech government who put their children in only the BEST of schools while we the people pay for it. Could you ever imagine them putting them in public schools - it would be beneath them now wouldnt it and if you tried to tell them they would have to place their children in public schools, they would create a law in Washington to protect their children against it..

Julia - posted on 02/15/2013

As I read some more of the post I just want to point out in regards to Catholic school, although there are other Christian denomination this doesn't apply to, we believe in evolution. The Catholic Pope has said there is room for both good science/evolution and God! I went to a Catholic highs school most pride themselves on high college acceptance rates and in fact call themselves college prep schools (100% of my graduating class went to college). I learned about evolution and so does my son at his catholic school.

Julia - posted on 02/15/2013

That sound quite unfortunate! School CHOICE is important ant there needs to be more not less of it. My son goes to a Catholic school and there are many non Catholic students because frankly it is a better school with better test scores, etc than the non faith based alternative. At the end of the day I think most people would agree if you didn't say it was religiously related the 10 commandments are pretty good rules to live by....

You must honor your parents, you shall not murder, commit adultry, steal, lie about your neighbor, covet other people's property. After 6 days of work you must have a day of rest.

I don't think anyone disagrees with the rules above. OK so the first couple commandments people who are atheist might take issue with, but even non christian religion you have holy days that need to be kept holy so it isn't a bad rule in an of itself and have no idols again even a non christian can glean a lot from that about keeping money and fame or other things that could take over in perspective. don't use the lords name in vain even if your not christian it is disrespectful to use the name of another persons lord in vain whether that is Jesus or the prophet Mohammed, or the Goddess.

All and all it seems that if we all (Chrisian's included because we mess up a lot too) followed these 10 rules the world would be a pretty cool place.

Plus lack of of school choice is another kind of forcing religion on others. It isn't a religion as many people think of it but is a forcing of specific beliefs and culture on others that may not be in line with what they believe. It is like that famous quote from WW II and I am miss representing it here. First they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew, then they came for the Christian's and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Christian, then they cam for......Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak.

School CHOICE is in everyone's best interest wether or not you are of a particular religion.

Stifler's - posted on 12/15/2010

That's the same as Australia. Only Christian and Catholic etc. schools are now receiving government funding (I think). You still have to pay lots to go there though.

Sherri - posted on 12/15/2010

Hmmm not sure I understand In the US you have public school and everything else Catholic, Mormon, Jewish schools etc are all private and cost anywhere on avg. between $5,000 a yr and up to attend.

Ooo - posted on 12/15/2010

It might shock people to read this in my post, but I'm not a huge fan of religious public schools. I'm not saying they should get rid of them, but I wouldn't like my son going to a Christian public school.

Meghan - posted on 12/15/2010

oh my, yea we don't talk about all that jazz. Like Jodi was saying is basic theories...like cavemen evolving to now, criminals tend to look more primate than non criminals (this one seems like hooey but whatever), survival of the fittest etc.

Isobel - posted on 12/15/2010

I don't know that I would take stuff out, as much as put important stuff in where the religion used to be...why waste time talking about god when you could be learning a musical instrument, playing soccer, practicing your spelling...

Jessica - posted on 12/15/2010

Agreed Jenny! I'm not saying all, but a good marjority of religious people I know are some of the most immoral..so something went wrong there! What else would you take out of school that kids don't need to learn that is even less needed then religion??

Jenny - posted on 12/15/2010

Religion does NOT equate morality,.

Desiree - posted on 12/15/2010

There are more important things that need to be taken out of schools than Religion..In a world where morals are at an all time low I would think that people would appreciate anything that encourages morality, whether it is a belief system or idealistic one. The last time I checked people had a choice of where they send their kids to school, and if you don't believe in the Catholic way then you won't send your kids there would you.

Jodi - posted on 12/15/2010

I don't think it is so much the "term" evolution, but more the concept of the theory of evolution that is used in various different science subjects. So a basic understanding of evolution is required to take this further and understand various evolutionary concepts, which includes your studies of dominant and recessive genes (because these affect evolution too).

Stifler's - posted on 12/15/2010

LOL. I don't even remember anyone saying the term evolution at uni. I did bioscience and we did the cell theory and the germ theory and the one where the guy with the peas discovered dominant and recessive genes.

Johnny - posted on 12/15/2010

I'm pretty sure a good majority of religious people comprehend science and understand its role as different from that of religion. Unfortunately, in many cases, they don't seem to be in the teaching profession.

And Becky, I think that if you lived in Drumheller, it'd be pretty hard to deny the dinosaurs. What? Did they supposedly dig up the entire town to plant bones and then rebuild it? LOL!

My highschool best friend believed the whole dinosaur bones = trick of the devil. I'm pretty sure what actually happened was that the devil stole her brain.

Jodi - posted on 12/15/2010

If you ask my son (or at least, asked him when he was much younger), my dad grew up with the dinosaurs ;P

It was hilarious, he actually asked him what the dinosaurs were like. And of course, my dad would play along!!!

Becky - posted on 12/14/2010

I believe in dinosaurs and I'm a Christian! I don't know how a person could live in Alberta and not believe in dinosaurs. I lived in Drumheller for a year and I kid you not, there is a dinosaur on almost every corner!

Johnny - posted on 12/14/2010

I'm not sure that BC ever had religious public schools. I'm pretty sure that they've always been private. But as far as I know, they do still get a per student government funding grant. It was a big controversy because one of the Sikh private schools was accused of indoctrinating the kids with terrorist ideals. Nothing has been done, even thought its president is accused in the Air India bombing. Argh. One of the many reasons that I am totally opposed to religious schooling, the huge potential for indoctrination. Not to mention just plain ignorance about science, etc.

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

we learn it in business school too...for consumer behaviour...kinda crappy actually, but effective

Meghan - posted on 12/14/2010

I don't know if this was already said...but on the whole evolution topic...it is taught in almost every class I am taking in university. (Psyc, Sociology and Criminology.) These are 3 very important components to understanding how people work and prevention of crimes and mental disorders. Some parts of evolutionary and biological theories (which is based on evolution) really make sense...just saying

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

Quebec doesn't publicly fund catholic schools?!?!?!? That has got to be considered permission for the rest of us to get rid of them!

Jocelyn - posted on 12/14/2010

The three provinces are Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario (and the Northwest Territories--but they don't count...they're not a province LOL)

Stifler's - posted on 12/14/2010

Even Christians believe in dinosaurs and science.

Julianne - posted on 12/14/2010

Yea the devil did that alright. Tricking us with their bones. LoL. Its a good thing they don't do that everywhere. In my school though, things that went against the bible that were taught. The teacher or nun would say,"Now we need to teach you this, but its wrong so don't believe it."

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

and then my head exploded so I didn't hear what she said afterward

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

not all Catholics or Christians believe that...many believe that God created evolution and that the Bible is to be taken metaphorically...but I have heard that explanation before.

Jenn - posted on 12/14/2010

Wow! More confirmation of why I don't like the catholic religion.

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

the devil buried them to trick us...I kid you not

Jenn - posted on 12/14/2010

How can they not believe in dinosaurs when there are real bones from them? Do they think people made them just to keep up the non-catholic lie?

Jodi - posted on 12/14/2010

And guess what? They sang Santa songs in their liturgy too.

Jodi - posted on 12/14/2010

Not here in Australia they don't - my kids have read about those things!!!

Julianne - posted on 12/14/2010

I went to an all girls catholic school well up to highschool was co-ed. They don't believe in dinosaurs or evolution....so they omit it from the curriculum..

Jenn - posted on 12/14/2010

Yep - we check a box on our property taxes which system we want to fund. Pretty much ALL of the catholic school in my area are WAY better than the other public schools - newer text books, newer computers, newer school buildings. You do have to be catholic and baptized to attend a catholic school.

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

Jocelyn said that there are only three provinces left though...She's in AB, I'm in ON, and I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that QC is the third...I don't see them getting rid of catholic schools ;)

maybe BC already stopped funding them?

Jenn - posted on 12/14/2010

Before I even read any other replies - I am in Ontario and we still have Catholic schools that are funded by public dollars. I think it's ridiculous that ONE religious sect gets their own schooling system and it's time it was abolished. If you want your kid to go to a school like that so bad then pay for a private school.

Jenny - posted on 12/14/2010

The only option we get on our property tax is to apply for our homeowners grant.

I really don't like the idea of government dollars going to religion, whether voluntary or not. Perhaps the Catholic church could take some of their massive reserve funds and pay the school themselves? I'm sure the public system will find plenty of places for the extra public cash to go. I bet if the option was pay the money to Islam or put it in the public fund people would lose thier shit. I can't beleive this is happening in my country and it's WAY past time we put a stop to it. Brainwash your kids on your own dime.

Jocelyn - posted on 12/14/2010

Haha I don't own any property either! Well, when I do, I know which box I'm checking :P

Tah - posted on 12/14/2010

Jodi K. has the same system that we had with catholic schools, we were run by the church, and tuition was paid every month, so you were choosing to send your child there and you knew that there was gonna be mass, religion classes, nuns and priest as teachers in some instances, prayer overhead on the intercom and prayer before lunch, uniforms etc. I have never heard of them not being that way.

Chatty - posted on 12/14/2010

Oh, see.....I don't own a property for the government to tax yet. Now it all makes sense!

Becky - posted on 12/14/2010

Okay, sorry, I was wrong. It's not on the provincial income tax, it's on your property taxes. And reading this, I'm not entirely sure that we're choosing which system our tax dollars go to, or whether it just determines how much of our tax dollars each system gets.
http://education.alberta.ca/admin/fundin...

Becky - posted on 12/14/2010

I'm in Calgary. And I'm pretty sure it's somewhere on our tax forms that we check which school system we support. On the provincial tax form. Hmmm, now I'm doubting myself, so I'll have to look that up. I'm pretty sure you support one or the other though, not both.

Jocelyn - posted on 12/14/2010

Becky I never knew of this "box"...I don't think we have that option...

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

that was my earlier point...at the beginning I said if Jewish and Muslim schools have to be private then so should catholic...I'm just saying the funding part isn't what bugs me.

Sapphire - posted on 12/14/2010

"meh...the govt isn't paying catholic schools anymore money per child than they are paying the public system...the point is moot (imho)"

Even if the govt is paying $1 per kid toward the Catholic school, I still maintain that the govt has no business funding religious education. The way I interpret the school system is that the Canadian govt supports Catholic school education and to hell with other religious faiths-if a parent of another faith wants their child religiously educated, well then they need to pay. Why is the Catholic school system so special?

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

yeah...I don't know about other provinces, but here...it comes out when we pay our property taxes.

Sapphire - posted on 12/14/2010

Well I have to say I'm a bit relieved knowing that as a tax-payer, you do have a choice when filing taxes about supporting the public schools or the Catholic schools. Just click on the little box. But it seems like this is not universal throughout the country. I still view the system as a huge bias FOR one specific religion and ignoring the other faiths.

Isobel - posted on 12/14/2010

meh...the govt isn't paying catholic schools anymore money per child than they are paying the public system...the point is moot (imho)