Girl becomes Mum at 10

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Thank you Jodi,very logical input there.Well done,top of the class.

Erin - posted on 11/14/2011

Bottom line is that legally a 10yo CAN NOT CONSENT TO HAVING SEX. Therefore any sexual interaction, regardless of what she says or how she behaves, is legally considered to be rape. There is nothing to debate on that point. The law makes that perfectly clear.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

and back to the beginning we go. round and round and round.

She is 10.

She can NOT consent to sex. By law.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

But Tracey,if she doesn't remember anything then she wouldn't say YES...Think about it.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

So how old is the father Shannen? Has the girl said she was raped? Has the father came out and said he was raped? Do you know any of this at all?

Sneaky - posted on 11/14/2011

How is this for an example - girl goes into a bar, guy spikes her drink with drugs, takes her home has sex with her. She wakes up the next morning and can not remember anything, but six weeks later finds out she is pregnant. Still, using Sharlene's logic, that is not rape, because the guy can claim she consented.

Nice world you live in.....

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Shannen and how old is the father?? Is he 10,9 maybe,do you know?I bet you're passing judgement on the father being,let's say 16,17,18 maybe. Do you know?????

Shannen - posted on 11/14/2011

Wow you're just pulling things out of your arse aren't you? A 10 year old girl, TEN year old, raping someone? Really?

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

Not at all a comparable one, and therefore totally nonsensical. There was absolutely no point to it at all. Even a 3 year old can consent to going to the park.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Jodi that was merely a comparison,that's all......

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Yes Kellie,i understand it's your post..But as you keep reminding me,it's a debate,and i was DEBATING Shannens comments..So what's your point?

Jodi - posted on 11/14/2011

I am still blown away by comparing consenting to sex with consenting to go to the park :\

Shannen - posted on 11/14/2011

Equal oportunity for a person to have sex with a 10 year old? I'm sure as heck going to pass judgement on any one who has sex with a 10 year old whether the 10 year old said yes or not. It's disgusting and criminal.

You didn't debate anything you just started ranting that I'm attacking you because I felt my opinion needed to be heard on a PUBLIC forum.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Just a quick question here.... So how do you know that SHE DIDN'T RAPE HIM???????????????????????? You don't do you,because you don't know the full story.. And don't say it's impossible,it is very possible........

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

It's my thread Sharlene.

You were attacking her and trying to say that by adding her 2 cents in she was attacking you which is false. She was merely disagreeing with you and debating your statement.

Back on track with the OP now.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Emma yes you are allowed to pass judgement, and by the same token he deserves to have his say,which he hasn't... So it's quite easy to pass judgement on someone that hasn't had a chance to defend themselves,and don't get me wrong i'm not defending him,i just believe in equal opportunity........

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Oh she's back,thought you'd given up... Well since it's a debating board and no-one agrees with me(the whole 3 people),yet i was only "debating" Shannens comments... So is it ok for you but not for me?

Stifler's - posted on 11/14/2011

I think we're allowed to pass judgment on someone who had sex with a 10 year old. Regardless of whether she said yes or no.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

Once again it's a debating board. Shannin has every right to 'add her 2cents' and it is not attacking you because no one agrees with you.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Shannen firstly i didn't have a go at you,i was debating with other people and you put your 2cents worth in,so you attacked me.
Secondly i'm not defending the father,all i'm saying is how can you accuse the father of RAPE if she consented?? Yes it is still illegal and immoral,but how do you know that's not what she wanted?How do you know? We don't know until we get all the facts of the story,that's why i'm sticking by my comments. I believe until you know all the facts you shouldn't pass judgement,and that's all anyone on here has done,PASS JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shannen - posted on 11/14/2011

Defending your comments doesn't mean you needed to get nasty towards me.



It doesn't say if the girl said yes and according to the law with her age being under the age for consent they would charge the father of the baby as rape. How can someone sit there and say that a 10 year old girl had enough wits about herself to consent to sex? How do you, Sharlene, know if this girl was raped or not? How can you sit there and pretty much defend the father? This girl is 10 not 15.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Just trying to defend my comments Erin,as you can see.

Erin - posted on 11/14/2011

** Mod Warning **

Cool it people.

Erin - DM Mod

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Yes it is...STATUTORY RAPE,not RAPE,there is a big difference... In case you are unaware statutory rape is when you say YES,but you are under the legal age of consent. Rape is when you say NO,no matter what age you are..Can you see the difference now????????? Or would you like me to make it clearer for you???????

Shannen - posted on 11/14/2011

Sharlene it's called statutory rape.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Yes she's 10...If you ask her would she like to go to the park,can she say YES??? I think you all really need to read the article and put moral issues aside and get all the facts before you start persecuting someone for RAPE!!!!!!!!!!

Stifler's - posted on 11/14/2011

She's 10.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

I agree...And just because you had sex,doesn't mean you were RAPED................

Stifler's - posted on 11/14/2011

At 10 you're most likely being pressured into sex or threatened. Just because you consent doesn't mean you really want to do it.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

LOL and who is wrong? Are you wrong,am i wrong? Or are these our own opinions? And on that note these are your own words,"And I find when people are wrong they attack others and try to put them down". So if i remember correctly you and your offsider there started to attack me,so does this make you wrong?????????????? I guess it does based on YOUR OWN WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

And I find when people are wrong they attack others and try to put them down.

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

Age of consent is age of consent. Not 3 years ubpnder it, not 2 years under it and not 6 months under it.

The age of consent where this child is from is 12. Not 9 not 10 not 11 and 3/4 it is 12.

By law she is not fucking old enough to consent to sex so therefore by law she was fucking raped.

She CAN NOT LEGALLY CONSENT TO SEX. THIS MEANS SHE WAS IN FACT RAPED.

I'm off to beat my head against a brick wall, it'll have just as much effect..

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

By the way if you want to lay comparisons,so having sex at 10 when the legal age is 12 is what??? 2yrs difference.. So would it be as bad if she was 14 and the age of consent was 16???? No i guess it wouldn't..........

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

It's so hard to understand because the difference between RAPE and IMMORAL WRONG is quite substantial... We're not talking about a 3yr old child here,there is a major difference...........A 3yr old can barely talk,a 10yr old can talk quite fluently,a 3yr old can't change his own nappy,a 10yr old can change their own underwear.So how you can make such a ridiculous comparison is beyond me, that is just LUDICROUS to compare.Perhaps you should have stayed on the sideline and just watched,or at least come up with something useful after spending a whole 10mins typing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

Oh Becky THANKYOU.

I won't waste my breath repeating Becky, I'll just say what she said.

Becky - posted on 11/14/2011

So then, if someone asks my 3 year old if he wants to have sex and he says yes, it's not rape? Even though he doesn't even know what sex is? Because that's essentially what you're saying, Sharlene. "It's about saying yes or no, not about age." The reason countries set an age of consent is because you cannot legally consent to something you do not understand. My 3 year old cannot consent to sex because he doesn't know what sex is! A 10 year old is legally considered to be unable to consent to sex because they are considered to be too young to understand and to deal with the ramifications of having sex. A 10 year old likely understands very little about pregnancy, abortion, and STD's. One of the articles posted above outlines the very serious physical risks of pregnancy for such a young child. A body that has not yet reached physical maturity could be badly damaged by sex.
The article doesn't have to say she was raped. If she was below the legal age of consent, then legally, she was raped. Why is that so hard to understand?

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

And that's fine,that's your opinion and i have mine.
Consenting to sex isn't about your age,it's about saying YES or NO. Saying YES means you consent,saying NO means you don't,it's quite simple really even a 10yr old can work that out........
Secondly where does it say that she was RAPED,or is that another non-factual based opinion????????
It says neither so we are both basing this on our own assumption,so until we know ALL the facts,we can have our own opinions but it doesn't mean they are RIGHT!!!!!!!!
I go by the old saying "innocent until proven guilty",so here you are PRESUMING she was raped,when you don't know all the facts.
So you can badmouth me as much as you like,i still believe that until she becomes an adult,she is the RESPONSIBILITY OF HER PARENTS,and that's what you do when you become a parent,you look out for your child's safety,NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 11/14/2011

I write what I need to and only what I need to. I have no need to ramble in the hopes that I will confuse people into my way of thinking.

Where did I say I had the answer to everyone's problem? I merely rebutted your non fact based opinion that this little girl had consentual sex when the Mexican Law clearly states the age of consent is 12 and NOT 10, therefore she can NOT consent to sex.

You have insisted more than once she consented. Where did this non factual based OPINiON come from?

Also that her parents were responsible for her rape, when in fact they are NOT responsible for their daughter being raped.

LOL's have no place IMO, in a debate about a 10 year old who has been raped and forced to bare her attackers child, I personally find it offensive and shows a lack of a) understanding of what this child went through and b) an appalling lack of compassion.

But thats me.

Becky - posted on 11/14/2011

If a child is under the age of consent, it is rape. It doesn't matter if the child "consents" to the sex, allows it to happen, even seems to want it to happen. She is under the age of consent, so it is rape, by legal definition. If it's her boyfriend, a classmate, her father, a stranger, it doesn't matter. It's all rape. And rape is the responsibility of the rapist. Not the victim, not her parents. It is only the parents' responsibility if they were involved in it or if they were allowing it to happen right under their noses.

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

And once again look up the word DEBATE.... It's not an argument as you put it,a debate is a case FOR and AGAINST on a certain topic,not on someone else's opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sharlene - posted on 11/14/2011

Correct!!!!! And i am debating the fact that you think you know the answer to everyone's problem,because i'd hate to tell you but you don't!!!!!!! I'm sure you'll find that my assumption previously about comparing cases is more than an adequate defence... And the fact that you can only put 2 lines together shows me that you are not worth debating with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 11/13/2011

This is a debating board, I am debating your comments.

I believe that you should take your own advice, if you can't handle having your opinion challenged then you should not be here.

Sharlene - posted on 11/13/2011

If you have a problem with me or what i'm saying just say it.... As you are aware this is a post where people leave their opinions,and if you don't like my opinions then that's your own problem......And for the record i was raped at the age of 16,so don't you dare tell me who lacks comprehension!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellie - posted on 11/13/2011

I have been Raped, and I have lost a brother figure to his drinking and driving.

They are not comparable.

And I wasn't a 10 year old child.

Kellie - posted on 11/13/2011

I dare you to tell that to a rape victims face.

And I think it's you who lacks comprehension.

Sharlene - posted on 11/13/2011

And for the record,NO i don't agree with rape,but the effects of serving alcohol to someone over the limit can be far worse,eg:DEATH or KILLING SOMEONE ELSE AND THEIR FAMILY.........Thank you.......

Sharlene - posted on 11/13/2011

Look you can carry on as much as you like,it's a comparison. If you can't comprehend that then that's not my problem... Have you ever heard of examples being used??????????????

Kellie - posted on 11/13/2011

And way to minimize Rape and it's effect by comparing it to a fucking bartender serving alcohol to a drunk person.

Kellie - posted on 11/13/2011

She's 10. She can NOT legally consent to sex. She was RAPED.

You need to get an understanding of what Rape is.

Where the fuck does it say this little girl concerted to sex (which she can NOT under Mexican law consent to as she is 10!).

I hope no misfortune such as this horrible crime never befalls your children, because under your logic you should also be prosecuted.

Sharlene - posted on 11/13/2011

Rape is when 1 person agrees and the other doesnt,when 2 people agree as is the case here,its NOT rape...... There is a difference you know???????????As for the parents,it is their responsibility to ensure their daughter is safe until she is of legal adult age,its no different to a BARTENDER serving drinks to someone who is already over the limit,he then becomes liable.......