Hero or Felon?

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Charlie - posted on 08/12/2010

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None of it would have happened if the lady obeyed the seatbelt safety sign , shes a moron and she could be fined up to 20,000 dollars for her actions , yes his reaction was over the top no is saying it wasn't but if she had of stayed in her seat , not opened the luggage compartment and refrained from calling him a motherfucker then maybe he wouldn't of lost it .

I really dont think its going to start a wave of people going of half cocked , its a situation people relate to no one likes being treated like shit at work , people like him because he he did what SOOO many people want to do when they are pushed around but cant or dont .

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I think people aren't disputing that what he did was wrong but A LOT of people can relate and can't help but think "that could have very easily been me"....that's all!

Jaime - posted on 08/12/2010

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Caitlin, he is being held responsible. But like it or not, there is a lot of support for his actions and there is probably less, (but still worth mentioning) support for the irritated passengers whose flights were delayed and such.



He could have handled it differently, but he didn't. He could have just sucked it up and moved on, but he reached his limit. I think that in light of recent events involving employee grievances (not two weeks ago a guy walked into his work and shot co-workers over what was disputed to be racist comments) Steven Slater did considerably less damage in his moment of rage.

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No hero, he didn't take it out on the one person who broke the rules, he took his temper out a plane load of people. I don't think it requires criminal charges to be laid but he does deserve disciplinary action within his job if not the boot!

Jaime - posted on 08/12/2010

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I hear what you're saying Caitlin...about it becoming a dangerous trend considering the camaraderie that has sort of sparked as a result of Slater's actions. I am not so easily swayed by others' actions...but I agree that there are some people that will take this as a cue to continue this kind of behaviour. Having said that, I also think these people are a minority as opposed to the people that just see his actions as him having had a bad day and maybe went a tad overboard.

As for the passenger, she's an idiot really. The seat belt sign was obviously still on and her actions put all of the other passengers around her in danger. Maybe not grave danger, but had the plane jolted forward or had it not quite landed yet and skipped the runway and her luggage flew at someone, we could be looking at a more serious case. I agree that Slater could have handled the situation differently, but he didn't and based on what he did do, I don't consider him to be hero or felon...just joe shmoe having a bad day.

Caitlin - posted on 08/12/2010

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As far as i'm aware, the passenger didn't hit the guy in the head on purpose, it was while he was intervening and she was removing it from the overhead compartment that it hit him, he was probably stading to close and not paying attention because he was pissed... It wasn't like she hauled off and swung it at him!

Tracey - posted on 08/12/2010

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Airplanes and passengers get held up for all kinds of reasons, weather, technical fault, passengers being late, overbooking, staff on strike - all of which are more "irksome" than this man's actions. Airlines have plans in action for any type of delay including sliding scales of compensation for food, drink, hotel accomodation etc so they should have been well prepared for any type of incident.



Not many comments on the passenger whose actions started this chain of events by disobeying instructions and smacking the guy on the head with his luggage. He should take as much of the blame as Mr Slater.

Caitlin - posted on 08/12/2010

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Oh I know he's being held responsible, but isn't all the support for him justifying it in some way, and giving other people the idea that they can do something as insane as well. It's like the toher thread of the woman that pretended to have cancer, and they people that are justifying it by "she had a hard childhood.." wouldn't that just make other people do that as well, even though it is wrong, and fall back on a horrible excuse?

It's the lack of condemnation for these acts that are making people believe this is an appropriate way to act, and with younger people these days (like teenagers - not all) coming into the workforce with a sense of entitlement already, this could be a very dangerous trend.

Caitlin - posted on 08/12/2010

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I don't know, but all of you guuys thinking this is funny is kind off irksome to me. The mental picture is funny, but for all of the passengers on that flight that still hadn't reached their final destination, they were delayed, maybe missing connecting flights, all the staff that had to work on the plane replacing the chute, I don't think that's really funny.

I workedd customer service for years, I got yelled at, cussed at, 1 or 2 people even threw things at me. I wasn't paid enough to deal with that crap, I wasn't happy with those people at all, but if I was so pissed off and didn't like it, I could have quit (and eventually did - but not in a crazy way). He was out of line for sure. He's no felon, but he should be held responsible. It would be like someone pulling the emergency brake on the subway for some "funny" reason, because they were fed up that people wouldn't give up their seats to old or pregnant people or something, the story itself MAY be amusing, but all those people on the subway that were late for work and everything, NOT funny.

Meghan - posted on 08/11/2010

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Havent we all wanted to grab a beer and jump off a plane at one point in time? (Maybe it's just me) LOL this is freaking funny.

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I never said I'd be happy or think it was funny if it happened to me BUT reading about it made me giggle...ASSHOLE for sure but kinda funny? No?

Stifler's - posted on 08/11/2010

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He is a fucking hero. He did what everyone who gets treated badly by clients, customers, patients etc. wishes they could. And good on him.

Isobel - posted on 08/11/2010

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I spit on my computer screen when I read about him (especially the beer part). I agree with Loureen and Jaime...I ♥ you too Steven

Jaime - posted on 08/11/2010

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Douglas Brown = inappropriately funny? LOL, I don't drive, but I know you do Dana...if you found out some guy ripped you off by taking money for parking and then your car was towed to an impound lot where you had to pay to retrieve it...I doubt you'd find that funny.

p.s. I ♥ you!

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Douglas Brown = innapropriately funny.

Steven Slater = My dirty lil' secret! An average joe having a REALLY bad day. I don't think he deserves to be up on criminal charges and like Sharon and Jaime said, I'm sure there'll be a draw.

Jocelyn - posted on 08/11/2010

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Meh, I'm impartial. He's not a hero, but he's not a felon either. He's just a guy who had a crappy/stressful job that had a really bad day.

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I think the guy is hilarious to be honest. I have been working in customer service for quite a few years now and often, clients make me want to curse and wring their necks. I am not one to actually do it but: " Way to go dude!"

Hero: hell no!
Felon: Come on now... give me a break.
Amusing: VERY

Krista - posted on 08/11/2010

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Grabbing the beer on the way out definitely added a certain je ne sais quoi to the whole thing. I don't like how the term "hero" is tossed around so loosely these days, but I DO agree that he did what so many downtrodden customer-service workers have dreamed of on so many occasions, so we have to tip our hat to the guy, really.

Charlie - posted on 08/11/2010

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He did what we can only dream of .

To all of the Steven Slater haters , Fuck you !!

*steals beers , deploys slide *

hehehe Just kidding .

yeah hes a legend in my books maybe its because i am an Aussie and i think every situation should end in beer and shenanigans LOL.

Mary - posted on 08/11/2010

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As someone who works in "public service" capacity, and has been unjustly abused on numerous occasions, I have to admit, I think he rocks!

No, I would never do something along these lines, but reading about someone else's "Fuck you" moment made me smile.

Tracey - posted on 08/11/2010

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Having worked for several years in customer services and all my colleagues been verbally abused and several physically abused this guy is my hero.

Julie - posted on 08/10/2010

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The guy hit his breaking point. He went out with a bang. IMO, if you are going to burn a bridge making an exit, might as well make it grand! Sure, he'll have to pay for the lapse in judgement, but he'll never have to wonder "what if?".

I'm betting he comes out on top of this one. All those wishing to have done that will gladly contribute to whatever fund to make that happen.

Regarding: -->But aren't they paid quiet well for basically being waiters/hostess types in the air?

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Jaime, about the Douglas Brown character...WOW. That's just wrong. He was messing with people's (expensive) property.

About Steven Slater, meh. He's neither hero nor felon. On the one hand, it's his job to serve and attend the paying passengers on the flight. On the other, passengers should obey the rules the attendants enforce (it's for their own safety) and it doesn't matter how stressed you are from a day of travel, common decency should be practiced. Cussing out the passenger on the intercom was uncalled for as was activating the chute. He would have been justified for stealing a few beers. He should have just done that.

Jaime - posted on 08/10/2010

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I posted this question because it came up on my homepage. I'm a huge fan of the comedian Nikki Payne and I have her on facebook so every week or so she poses a discussion about random topics...and this story popped up today. She wanted to know if anyone else had a Steven Slater story to share. There was one comment that pissed a few people off though when a guy admitted this:



Douglas Brown: "I used to work for the city of Hampton in Va and one year we were doing a major event that happens every year and that yr I was working one of the parking lots and was supposed to keep out cars off this lot that was blocked off due to the fireworks display. Well the boss was a dick and so i got even by charging cars to park in the lot $5 a pop and walked off with the money and watched as tow truck after tow truck came and towed ALL of them away I made $400 that night . What a weird night."



I have to agree with the other posters that this guy is a dick for what he did. I do think that some people take out their frustrations on the wrong people and go too far...I'm not sure that Steven Slater's stunt is any worse if not half as bad as this Douglas idiot!

Jaime - posted on 08/10/2010

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That's where I'm sitting on this issue Sharon. Ya, he could have done it differently, but shit happens. Like you said it will probably come to a draw on the legal end. I don't think he's a hero, nor is he a felon. Just a guy that had a bad day and took it to the extreme.

Sharon - posted on 08/10/2010

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I agree that he was just pushed to far. But aren't they paid quiet well for basically being waiters/hostess types in the air?

I think he was justified in doing what he did but he owes the airline for the door/slide costs and they owe him for not adequately protecting him from abusive passengers. So it will probably be a draw.

he's not a hero but I don't blame him for doing what he did either.

Jaime - posted on 08/10/2010

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Here is the full article attached to the crappy link:

Is JetBlue Flight Attendant Steven Slater a Hero or Felon?

The airline industry's latest headline-maker didn't help land a plane safely or tackle any terrorists. According to police reports, he cursed out a passenger, grabbed a few beers, abandoned the plane using its emergency chute, then called it a day.

But that hasn't stopped many – including thousands of supporters on the Internet – from labeling JetBlue flight attendant Steven Slater a hero.

He "did what everyone always wanted to do but never did," says the "Free Steven Slater" Facebook page – one of many overnight shrines for the 39-year-old, who quit his job in dramatic fashion on Monday.

Slater, fed up with a passenger who refused to apologize for allegedly hitting him on the head while retrieving luggage from the overhead bin, reportedly used the PA system to unleash a torrent of curse words before ditching the jet at New York's JFK International Airport.

The 20-year airline veteran was arraigned Tuesday and has been charged with two counts of reckless endangerment and criminal mischief, but the case has left many cheering him on – and wondering if he deserves praise instead of prison time.

"We (flight attendants) secretly have thought about doing this … you are my hero for taking a stand on flight attendant abuse!!!" one commenter wrote on another Facebook fan page.

And it's not just fellow flight attendants coming to his defense.

Everyday passengers are applauding his actions too and even proposing creating a fund to help pay his legal bills ("Has anyone started a bail fund for the American Worker Hero?" one supporter wrote).

Others weren't as supportive. "Plenty other people would take that job and if needed to quit would do so in an un-rude [manner]. A--hole!" one man said on Slater's Facebook page.

Tania - posted on 08/10/2010

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The page isn't working but I have heard the story a few times already. Apparently he is under a great deal of stress because his mother is dying. The passenger was getting his overhead luggage down before the plane stopped and when asked by the flight attendent to sit down he refused and the luggage ended up hitting the flight attendent in the face.
He then asked for an apology but the passenger refused and swore at him. Thats when he lost it.
I think he did what a lot of us wish we could do. I guess his really bad day just got out of control.

Caitlin - posted on 08/10/2010

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He was wrong, stupid and irresponsible.. He's no hero, but he's no felon either. Hold him responsible for the cost of the plane delays and the use of the chute - the company has insurance for their employees. The guy obviously cracked, it's a stressful job, but that doesn't give him the right to do what he did. He could have just walked off the plane and quit as opposed to making a big scene about it, and delaying a bunch of travellers in the process.

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